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Oct 16 2021, 9:45am CST ~ 2 years, 5 mos ago. 
I'm trying to understand some uses of "ay" that don't seem to fit the normal use as an inversion marker. These examples all come from this children's story: www.youtube.com/watc h?v=l9vch7yfZJA
 
1. Noong araw na iyon, napag-isipan niyang maglibot sa kanyang pamamasyal ay nakakita siya ng isang buto.
 
Here it seems like "ay" is just a conjunction between clauses. Is it any different from "at"?
 
2. Tumingin si Max sa paligid ngunit wala siyang nakitang sinuman na maaaring magmayari ng buto kaya naman, ay dali-dali niya itong kinuha at kumaripas ng takbo.
 
Why is the "ay" needed here? Would the sentence be incorrect if it were left out?
 
3. Kalaunan ay nakarating siya sa isang ilog na may tulay na gawa sa kahoy at ito ay kanyang tinawid.
 
This seems similar to 2, linking an adverb to the rest of the sentence. Can someone explain the grammar rule at play here?
 
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Author Photo sabertooth
Oct 16 2021, 12:39pm CST ~ 2 years, 5 mos ago. 
if you wrote sentences 1 and 2 correctly, AY does not belong to them. Only the AY in number 3 is correctly placed.
 
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Oct 16 2021, 12:46pm CST ~ 2 years, 5 mos ago. 
@nhammond ok i watched the video, you missed a period thats why the sentence didnt make sense. if you dont put a period after maglibot, it would put the whole statement in dis array. you fused the 2 sentences by mistake. nothings wrong with that AY after all.
anyway, that ay in the 1st sentence is actually unnecessary, its just a connector but it can be replaced with a comma.and the sentence would still be correct. i didnt check the 2nd sentence.
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just a friendly advise: if you dont plan to become a tagalog poet or song writer, you should not study tagalog in videos like that because tagalog people dont make sentences like the ones in that channel anymore. everything now is in reversed sentences, and its very awkward to make sentences that uses AY.
 
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Author Photo nhammond Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious SupporterBadge: VIP Supporter
Oct 16 2021, 3:46pm CST ~ 2 years, 5 mos ago. 
@sabertooth thanks for checking! You're right about the missing period, and that sentence makes much more sense now!
 
But even then, do you need "ay" when you are putting the location first, like "sa kanyang pamamasyal ay nakakita ..."? Or when putting the time first like in example 3? (kalaunan ay nakarating siya...)?
 
Or are you saying "ay" is just an optional kind of verbal comma in every case here?
 
And thanks for the friendly advice! I won't use ay in common speech!
 
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Author Photo Bituingmaykinang
Oct 16 2021, 4:54pm CST ~ 2 years, 5 mos ago. 
It's an inverter marker.
 
The non -ay form is Nakakita siya ng <insert what was seen> sa pamamasyal niya...
 
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Author Photo nhammond Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious SupporterBadge: VIP Supporter
Oct 16 2021, 5:27pm CST ~ 2 years, 5 mos ago. 
@Bituingmaykinang your answer makes sense but I don't know how to apply it to this sentence.
 
kalaunan="eventually", so I wouldn't expect it to behave like a subject if I put it in front of the verb. Can we just say "kalaunan, nakakita siya ng ano"? instead of "kalaunan ay nakakita siya ng ano"? And is there any difference?
 
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Author Photo sabertooth
Oct 16 2021, 10:28pm CST ~ 2 years, 5 mos ago. 
@sabertooth ay is only needed in your 3rd sentence.
 
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Oct 16 2021, 10:29pm CST ~ 2 years, 5 mos ago. 
@nhammond if you skip AY after kalaunan, its still ok.
 
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Author Photo nhammond Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious SupporterBadge: VIP Supporter
Oct 16 2021, 10:31pm CST ~ 2 years, 5 mos ago. 
I see, you're saying the second "ay" in that sentence is needed, "ito ay kanyang tinawid", and all the others are optional. Thank you!
 
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Author Photo sabertooth
Oct 16 2021, 10:34pm CST ~ 2 years, 5 mos ago. 
@nhammond just a hint: ito ay kanyang tinawid is a very old way of saying it, its like a poem and not applicable to real life, only in very formal speeches. the real life way of saying it is TINAWID NYA ITO.
 
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