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Jul 06 2020, 10:15pm CST ~ 1 mo., 7 days ago. 
Grammar question. Please help me understand why the pronouns are in a different order between the doer and receiver and ang vs ng pronoun usage:
Mahal ko siya. I love her. Versus Mahal ka niya. She loves you.
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Author Photo AMBoy Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious SupporterBadge: VIP Supporter
Jul 06 2020, 10:47pm CST ~ 1 mo., 7 days ago. 
I'm a learner as well but I will take a shot at answering this. Take with a grain of salt.
 
Because ko and ka (and more) are enclitic (see below), and because word order doesn't actually matter as much as it does in English because the noun markers and pronouns change to denote the subject and not the word order.
 
From LearningTagalog:
 
In Tagalog, enclitic words are words that generally follow either the first word of the sentence or another enclitic word.
 
The following words are enclitic:
 
Ang personal pronouns*, i.e. ako, ka, siya, kami, tayo, kayo, sila
Ng personal pronouns, i.e. ko, mo, niya, namin, natin, ninyo, nila
the pronoun kita
the particles na, pa, man, nga’, din/rin, lang, naman, daw/raw, po’, ho’, ba, pala, kaya’, muna, tuloy, kasi, yata’, sana
 
Read more:
 
learningtagalog.com/ grammar/enclitic_wor ds/overview.html
 
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Author Photo AMBoy Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious SupporterBadge: VIP Supporter
Jul 06 2020, 10:51pm CST ~ 1 mo., 7 days ago. 
Here is the details on the actual word order ( more specific to your question):
 
learningtagalog.com/ grammar/enclitic_wor ds/using_enclitic_wo rds/order_of_en
 
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Author Photo BoraMac
Jul 07 2020, 12:56am CST ~ 1 mo., 7 days ago. 
Ang pronouns ako, ka, siya, etc. always mark the topic (which is the object in an object focused verb and the actor in an actor focused verb)
 
Ng pronouns ko, mo, niya, etc. always mark the non-topic
 
Here "mahal" is object focused even without any affix - that is - "The object of one's love"
 
I lover her...she is the object of my love
 
Mahal ko siya She is the object of my love = ang pronoun = siya me=non-
topic=ng=ko
 
She loves you...you are the object of her love
 
Mahal ka niya You...ka=ang=the topic=object of her love...her=ng=niya=non-topic actor
 
 
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Author Photo Scrover
Jul 07 2020, 4:52am CST ~ 1 mo., 7 days ago. 
AMBoy's link in AMBoy's second post is a great link. I would give it five likes it I could. Again, this link specifically:
 
learningtagalog.com/ grammar/enclitic_wor ds/using_enclitic_wo rds/order_of_en
 
Anyway, the reason why there's the difference between "Mahal ko siya" (verb + ng pronoun + ang pronoun) vs "Mahal ka niya" (verb + ang pronoun + ng pronoun) is because the order of the pronouns is because there's a specific order for these pronouns to go in generally.
 
You'll notice that in the table from the link above, the following is the order of the pronouns:
 
1. All the two letter pronouns (i.e. ka, ko, and mo)
2. Then, the "ng" verbs (i.e. niya, nila, namin, natin, ninyo)
3. Then the "ang" verbs (i.e. ako, siya, kami, tayo, kayo, sila).
 
In other words, for this specific example which is object-focus, the order is generally "verb + ng pronoun + ang pronoun", except when:
 
a) when "ka" is used (e.g. mahal ka namin)
b) the two pronouns are "ko" and "ka" (in such a case, "kita" is used instead - e.g. mahal kita)
 
I wouldn't be surprised if there are exceptions to this rule regarding pronoun order, so if they are please let us know!
 
EDIT: The order of words and pronouns can get more complicated when you add things like "hindi",
"pala" and "po" in your sentences, but I think what I've said satisfies your question. Please let us know if you have any more questions.
 
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Author Photo JodyS60
Jul 12 2020, 11:35am CST ~ 1 mo., 2 days ago. 
Wow, hugely helpful. Thanks so much for taking the time to reply and help. 👍
 
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Author Photo JodyS60
Jul 12 2020, 12:18pm CST ~ 1 mo., 2 days ago. 
@BoraMac Thank you. This was very helpful. I have struggled with who’s the doer and reciever and this really brought clarity for me. I’m still learning actor versus object verbs which seems to be the key here for my pronoun choice confusion. On to more studying. Thanks 👍
 
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