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Dec 24 2020, 9:09am CST ~ 4 weeks ago. 
Hello, I have seen conflicting descriptions of the vowel sounds. Can I get some opinions on how to think of this? Also, sometimes I hear different sounds for I, like in pancit, is it Pancit like the English word lit, or is Pancit like rhymes with beet. Also is it possible the i sound varies by the word?
 
Aa- A as in apple
Ee- E as in bed
Ii - I as in machine or marine
Oo - O as in octopus
Uu - U as oo in book.
 
Aa – like the U in up and cut.
Ee - like the E in end and bed.
Ii- like the I in machine and marine.
Oo -like the O in old and sold.
Uu – like the U in rude and oo in moon.
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Dec 24 2020, 12:27pm CST ~ 4 weeks ago. 
@d13579
Beginners should learn the formal pronunciations. In casual usage there are some variations you may notice...
 
A is like the “ah” sound in “father”. Casually it can sound more like “cup” sometimes. (but never like “apple”).
i as in “machine” or “beet” is correct. Ending “i” sounds will sometimes sound like “e” sounds, for example, “lalaki” may sound like “lalake”.
O as in “sold” and “old” is correct. As in the first o in “octopus” is wrong. Sometimes an ending “o” can sound more like “u”. (Ex: youtu.be/lajnSJZpI34 timestamp 1:40, “at tinuruan mo ang puso ko na umibig na tunay”, “puso” sounds kind of like “pusu”).
U as in “rude” and “moon” is correct. As in “book” is wrong.
 
These sounds can also vary in combination...”ay” sounds like the “i” in “like,” for example.
 
There may be some others I’m missing.
 
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Author Photo d13579
Dec 24 2020, 1:05pm CST ~ 4 weeks ago. 
Thank you for taking the time for answering me. So second list was better except for A. Originally i was trying to use Spanish vowels but the “cut” for A threw me off. Would you happen to know how much vowels are the same or different as Spanish vowels? Also do you hear the I come out as an “i as in Mitt” i cant tell if thats my untrained ear or if that is a variation of I for some words. I heard it it GAmit.
 
A father
E bed
I machine
O sold/old
U rude/moon
 
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Author Photo jkos Badge: AdminBadge: SupporterBadge: Serious SupporterBadge: VIP Supporter
Dec 24 2020, 3:55pm CST ~ 4 weeks ago. 
Also do you hear the I come out as an “i as in Mitt” i cant tell if thats my untrained ear or if that is a variation of I for some words.
 
@d13579
Sure...”i” can sound more like “i” in “sit” or “e” as in “set” sometimes...
 
It might be helpful to use the Youtube videos here for self research, too. There’s a search function where you can search through 150+ hours of Youtube transcribed text in a natural context, to listen to natural pronunciations of words for self research. For example there are tons examples in that audio if “pancit” and “gamit” you can review.
Quick link:
www.tagalog.com/list ening-practice/searc h_transcripts.php
 
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Author Photo darksoulsfan1
Dec 28 2020, 4:54am CST ~ 3 weeks, 4 days ago. 
Tbh you are supposed to exagerate the “I” sound panseeet , kapateed, however just like any language (especially English) when multiple words are combined together in “connected speach” you drop the exageration .
 
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