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So many ways to Lose and 1 way to Win (umiyak ako)

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Author Photo by: BoraMac Badge: Supporter
Feb 10 2021, 4:13am CST ~ 3 weeks, 4 days ago. 
So many ways to LOSE...only one way to WIN UMIYAK ako
 
What do we make of highly related roots...with vast differences in AFFIXES... For example... TALO...Lost/Defeated...we have Tinalo, Nagtalo, Tumalo, Natalo....more ? Then for NALO WINNNNNN WIN WIN NALO TAYO! ...we have NANALO....hmmmmm...no more? Why so many ways to LOSE and only one way to WIN? And if I must have one way...give me TINALO...or MAGNALO at least. Any insights? Advance Salamt for taking me TAAS.
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Author Photo nesterbalauro Badge: Native Tagalog SpeakerOfficial Tagalog.com Teacher Teacher
Feb 10 2021, 4:18am CST ~ 3 weeks, 4 days ago. 
@boramac, the other is PANALO tayo
 
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Author Photo akosikoneho Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious SupporterBadge: VIP SupporterOfficial Tagalog.com Teacher Teacher
Feb 10 2021, 5:06am CST ~ 3 weeks, 4 days ago. 
@BoraMac I think this is common with native Tagalog words. One root is stretched to the limit.
 
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Bili can also mean "sell" as in the words "magbili, ipagbili, maipagbili".
 
There are some words that seem to mean win, that are not however based on the talo root.
 
One possible explanation for the manalo, panalo type construction lies in how early Tagalog had a type of assimilated conjugation. These assimilated forms exist in remnants, such as labas-masok "labas-masokTAGALOG
labas-masok n., adj. frequently going in and out of a place"
 
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Author Photo BoraMac Badge: Supporter
Feb 10 2021, 6:26am CST ~ 3 weeks, 4 days ago. 
Panalo is winnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnner! Noun affix.
 
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Feb 10 2021, 6:28am CST ~ 3 weeks, 4 days ago. 
Interesting table...where is it from? And...how do we insert graphics....asussssss!
 
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Feb 10 2021, 6:30am CST ~ 3 weeks, 4 days ago. 
Gerrrr....going to make me GRAMMAR TALK...what is assimilated forms?
 
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Author Photo akosikoneho Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious SupporterBadge: VIP SupporterOfficial Tagalog.com Teacher Teacher
Feb 10 2021, 6:36am CST ~ 3 weeks, 4 days ago. 
@BoraMac I got it from cornell.academia.edu /ChristopherSundita this guys old personal blog. He got it from two old Spanish language grammars on Tagalog, "Francisco Blancas de San José's 1610 Arte y Reglas de la lengua tagala and Fr. Sebastián de Totanes's 1745 Arte de la lengua tagala"
 
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Assimilated form is when part of the word is merged into another.
 
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Author Photo jkos Badge: AdminBadge: SupporterBadge: Serious SupporterBadge: VIP Supporter
Feb 10 2021, 9:15am CST ~ 3 weeks, 4 days ago. 
boramac, the other is PANALO tayo
 
Oh yeah...there was a song that was making waves recently called “Panalo”, too...
( although it’s not your style of music though, I think, Teacher @nesterbalauro ; ) )

 
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Author Photo BoraMac Badge: Supporter
Feb 10 2021, 11:12am CST ~ 3 weeks, 4 days ago. 
I am a FAN of any PINOY spittin clear TAG poh. Now where is the .75x button?
 
Lub lub lub KZ Tandingan spitting.
 
BTWhaaay...parang SNL PETE ba...little bHhit ha!
 
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Author Photo nesterbalauro Badge: Native Tagalog SpeakerOfficial Tagalog.com Teacher Teacher
Feb 10 2021, 8:27pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 4 days ago. 
@jkos I'll sing it for you ha ha ha ha ha ha, the tune came from a beautiful Kundiman song -karinosa sung by Asia's Queen of Song PIlita Corrales www.youtube.com/watc h?v=YfqcPksn0VM ; sounds nationalistic though
 
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Author Photo nesterbalauro Badge: Native Tagalog SpeakerOfficial Tagalog.com Teacher Teacher
Feb 10 2021, 9:43pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 4 days ago. 
@cocobiko, it was just a joke madam
 
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Feb 10 2021, 9:49pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 4 days ago. 
@nesterbalauro Haha, yes ma'am I know
 
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Author Photo BoraMac Badge: Supporter
Feb 11 2021, 12:19am CST ~ 3 weeks, 3 days ago. 
OKAY...so anyone want to decode this for me...cause someone nagkakantot ang utok ko! CharNOT.
 
There are many other affixes and conjugations for panalo too like: pinanalo, nanalo, ipanalo, ipapanalo, ikananalo, mapanalo, napanalo, makapanalo, pagkapanalo, pagkakapanalo, pakipanalo, palapanalo, pampanalo, ipangpanalo, pinakapanalo, tagapanalo, panaluhin
 
For talo, there's: tinalo, italo, ikinatalo, ipatalo, ipapatalo, matalo, magtalo, magpatalo, makatalo, makipagtalo, mapagtalo, natalo, patalo, pagtalo, pagkatalo, pagkakatalo, pakitalo, pakikipagtalo, palatalo, pangpatalo, pinakatalo, tagatalo, tagapagtalo, tumalo, taluhin
 
Each root word has many different affixes that may or may not apply to it, depending on the nature of the root word's spelling and meaning to how it will be used
 
Ano BAAAAhhh yan?
 
Asusssssssss....til aysusssssssssssssssss!
 
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