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Apr 08 2021, 6:31am CST ~ 2 years, 12 mos ago. 
Question: Can infinitive form Um verbs be used as either commands or past actions?
"Pumunta ka na roon."
If I am not mistaken, this sentence can be interpreted as:
a) Go there already.
b) You already went there.
So does it just depend on context?
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Author Photo Bituingmaykinang
Apr 08 2021, 9:43am CST ~ 2 years, 12 mos ago. 
It can be used, but it will make you sound "mean and angry"
 
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Author Photo keithk
Apr 08 2021, 2:20pm CST ~ 2 years, 12 mos ago. 
@quarter
Yes, -UM- verbs are the only Tagalog verb type where the infinitive/command form is conjugated the same as the past tense.
 
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Author Photo quarter
Apr 09 2021, 5:52am CST ~ 2 years, 12 mos ago. 
Ohh, salamat guys! @keithk Thanks for clarifying.
 
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Author Photo BoraMac Badge: Supporter
Apr 25 2021, 3:57am CST ~ 2 years, 11 mos ago. 
@Bituingmaykinang Grabe...mean and angry...good know. Mamat!
 
To my foreigner ear, my intuition would be a NAG- conjugation would have had a harsher edge...or maybe just more bossy?
 
Can you describer why at all? Or give me examples of sentences with other affixes for a range of other emotional tones? I appreciate any insights.
 
Advance salamat.
 
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Author Photo quarter
Apr 25 2021, 6:25am CST ~ 2 years, 11 mos ago. 
@BoraMac Try using this when you need help: www.tagalog.com/affi x-analysis/
Example: nag+ROOT
 
I also found these guides useful: d2ter2x3z9nvf.cloudf ront.net/downloads/t agalog_verb_affixes. pdf
janusisaac.wordpress .com/2016/10/23/taga log-affixes-differen t-conjugations-
 
But remember, they won't always mean those things!
 
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Author Photo Giorgio
Apr 25 2021, 8:43am CST ~ 2 years, 11 mos ago. 
@Bituingmaykinang you mean "mean and angry" because it sounds like an order, right? How would you avoid doing that if you want to say "you went" - use a verb with another focus, so that it cannot be mistaken for an imperative?
 
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Author Photo Bituingmaykinang
Apr 25 2021, 4:28pm CST ~ 2 years, 11 mos ago. 
If you're using the -um- , always use "pwede" or "pwede ba" to soften the tone.
 
If you're not using that, use paki- + verb.
 
The only context -um- will be accepted is if you are a parent/grandparent and you are commanding your child. Outside of that, it's usually considered rude and aggressive, especially if you are speaking with someone older or someone who is not familiar to you.
 
Pwede bang pumunta ka doon sounds polite but pumunta ka doon comes off as really harsh. It comes out as if you are scolding the person you are talking to.
 
It's more of the cultural connotation than the grammatical aspect.
 
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Author Photo Giorgio
Apr 25 2021, 4:43pm CST ~ 2 years, 11 mos ago. 
@Bituingmaykinang Thanks! Okay, that seems like "Could you go..." instead of "Go!". Makes sense.
 
What if you are just telling a story that happened in the past? "I did this, and then you went there..." Would that still sound angry, even though you are just using the completed aspect?
 
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