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Oct 01 2021, 9:36pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
Question: Can you say the difference between the two sentences?
 
(a) Inuman ni John ng beer ang restawran.
 
(b) Ininuman ni John ng beer ang restawran.
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Author Photo PinoyTaj Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious Supporter
Oct 01 2021, 9:43pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
B) John drank beer from the restawran
 
A) ….. “Iinuman” dapat .
 
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Author Photo kasong
Oct 01 2021, 10:01pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
@PinoyTaj A further qoestion
 
Salamat po!!
 
Can you say the difference between the two sentences now?
 
Iinuman ni John ng beer ang restawran.
 
Ininuman ni John ng beer ang restawran.
 
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Author Photo AMBoy Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious SupporterBadge: VIP Supporter
Oct 01 2021, 10:05pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
Iinuman ni John ng beer ang restawran. = John will drink beer from the restaurant.
Ininuman ni John ng beer ang restawran. = John drank beer from the restaurant.
 
IMO
 
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Author Photo PinoyTaj Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious Supporter
Oct 01 2021, 10:05pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
PinoyTaj A further qoestion Salamat po!! Can you say the difference between the two sentences now? Iinuman ni John ng beer ang restawran. Ininuman ni John ng beer ang restawran.
 
@kasong
Inumán - To drink from something/somewhere (locative focus)
 
1). John will drink beer from the restaurant (contemplated aspect)
 
2) John drank beer from the restaurant (completed aspect)
 
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Author Photo AMBoy Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious SupporterBadge: VIP Supporter
Oct 01 2021, 10:17pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
Question: Can you say the difference between the two sentences? (a) Inuman ni John ng beer ang restawran. (b) Ininuman ni John ng beer ang restawran.
 
@kasong
 
I'm not sure about the first one, thats the infinitive, not sure if you can command a person other than "you". But I'm just a layman.
 
Inuman mo ng tubig ang toilet. = Drink water from the toilet.
 
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Author Photo kasong
Oct 01 2021, 10:55pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
@PinoyTaj A further question
 
Salamat po!!
 
How do you say "John drank a beer in the restaurant." in the locative focus structure?
 
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Author Photo kasong
Oct 01 2021, 10:56pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
@AMBoy
 
Salamat po!!
 
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Author Photo Bituingmaykinang
Oct 01 2021, 11:09pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
Honestly, none makes sense to me. What are you trying to say?
 
Both sound like you are trying to drink the beer from the restaurant in the sense that the restaurant is the container of the beer
 
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Author Photo PinoyTaj Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious Supporter
Oct 01 2021, 11:15pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
Honestly, none makes sense to me. What are you trying to say? Both sound like you are trying to drink the beer from the restaurant in the sense that the restaurant is the container of the beer
 
@Bituingmaykinang
 
Exactly lmao , I was going to explain that next 😅
 
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Author Photo PinoyTaj Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious Supporter
Oct 01 2021, 11:16pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
PinoyTaj A further question Salamat po!! How do you say "John drank a beer in the restaurant." in the locative focus structure?
 
@kasong
 
Correct: Uminom ng beer si John sa restawran
 
Locative is awkward meaning the sentence doesn’t really make sense since you would be using the restaurant as a container …. Like literally you are drinking beer from the restaurant…
 
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Author Photo Bituingmaykinang
Oct 01 2021, 11:20pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
To mean the restaurant is the place where you usually get your beer, it's better to say
 
Sa restauwan ko kinukuha yung beer
 
If you want to use "inom" in the sense that the restaurant is where you hangout to drink beer, it's usually used in a social context
 
Sa restawran kami nagiinuman ng mga kaibigan ko.
 
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Author Photo kasong
Oct 01 2021, 11:29pm CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
@Bituingmaykinang
 
Salamat po!!
 
Do you mean it is awkward to use the locative focus structure for the meaning
"John drank a beer in the restaurant." ?
 
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Author Photo Bituingmaykinang
Oct 02 2021, 12:15am CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
-an usually means "verb on something"
 
Sulatan mo ang tseke - write ON the check
 
Tawagan mo si Juan - call Juan (on the phone)
 
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Author Photo kasong
Oct 02 2021, 2:24am CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
@Bituingmaykinang
 
I thought the locative focus structure could be applied to every locative adverbials.
But it does not seems to be the case, does it?
 
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Author Photo Bituingmaykinang
Oct 02 2021, 5:47am CST ~ 3 weeks, 2 days ago. 
Object focus and locative focus don't literally mean object and location.
See the examples here:
 
www.hawaii.edu/filip ino/Grammar_Topics/G rammar_2-2.html#:~:t ext=Top%20of%20
 
"The verbal affixes that indicate that the subject is the location of the action or that the action is done toward that direction include -in, -an, and pag...an."
 
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