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Oct 08 2021, 12:20am CST ~ 2 weeks, 3 days ago. 
Question: Which is correct in the sentence pairs?
 
a. Kalilinis ni Luis ang kusina.
b. Kalilinis ni Luis ng kusina.
 
c. Kasasara ni John ang bintana.
d. Kasasara ni John ng bintana.
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Author Photo AMBoy Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious SupporterBadge: VIP Supporter
Oct 08 2021, 12:44am CST ~ 2 weeks, 3 days ago. 
You need to start posting the english of what you are trying to say with these questions.
 
But you are missing LANG from all of them
 
Kalilinis lang ni Luis
 
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Author Photo kasong
Oct 08 2021, 3:47am CST ~ 2 weeks, 3 days ago. 
LANG may not be the obligatory element. It would be helpful to me, if you simply answer "(a), (b) or both of them is/are possible(correct) in Tagalog". Thank you.
 
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Author Photo isangtao
Oct 08 2021, 6:11am CST ~ 2 weeks, 3 days ago. 
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Author Photo kasong
Oct 08 2021, 7:21am CST ~ 2 weeks, 3 days ago. 
Question:
These are sentences of so-called 'recent past' in Tagalog. The predicate forms "Kalilinis, Kasasara" are okay. My concern is the markers ang/ng. Which of the two is correct? ang, ng or both of them?
 
a. Kalilinis ni Luis ang kusina. (Luis has just cleaned the kitchen.)
b. Kalilinis ni Luis ng kusina. (Luis has just cleaned the kitchen.)
 
c. Kasasara ni John ang bintana. (John has just closed the window.)
d. Kasasara ni John ng bintana (John has just closed the window.)
 
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Author Photo Jcans Badge: Native Tagalog Speaker
Oct 08 2021, 8:31am CST ~ 2 weeks, 3 days ago. 
My answer is "ng". Although, both may be correct, the use of NG on both sentences sounds more conversational than using ANG. (if that's what you're trying to achieve also) it would sound weird to me using the ANG on those sentences.
 
* And if what you posted are the english translation of the sentences, I think there's the need to put in the term "lang" to state that the action just took place earlier/just ended. I myself would not be able to understand that the action just ended if that "lang" term wasn't added on the sentence.
*Kasasara "lang" ni John ng bintana
*Kalilinis "lang" ni Luis ng kusina
These sentences to me, sound more conversational po.
I hope that helps po. ๐Ÿ™‚
 
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Author Photo isangtao
Oct 08 2021, 8:33am CST ~ 2 weeks, 3 days ago. 
@kasong
OK again, if the prefix ka is used to indicate the recent past, the first syllable of the root word is duplicated and followed by lang. Both markers ang or ng may be OK, however I think it should be ng.
 
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Author Photo PinoyTaj Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious Supporter
Oct 08 2021, 1:29pm CST ~ 2 weeks, 2 days ago. 
LANG may not be the obligatory element. It would be helpful to me, if you simply answer "(a), (b) or both of them is/are possible(correct) in Tagalog". Thank you.
 
@kasong
 
Sad because heโ€™s helping you out with proper advice .
 
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Author Photo Bituingmaykinang
Oct 08 2021, 1:32pm CST ~ 2 weeks, 2 days ago. 
@kasong b and d
 
I agree with Amboy, lang would create a clearer meaning..esp for beginners.
 
Lang would also make things clearer for us
 
And I second posting the English version of what you want to say. Case in point, these two are grammatically correct, but mean different things
 
Kinain ko ang isda. I ate the fish
 
Kinain ako ng isda. The fish ate me.
 
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