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Nov 17 2021, 8:53am CST ~ 2 years, 5 mos ago. 
Question: i'm very confused on sentence structure. so if the sentence structure is v-s-o(verb-subject-object) then why are the personal pronouns at the end of the sentence sometimes? also, where are adjectives and prepositions placed?
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Nov 17 2021, 11:17am CST ~ 2 years, 5 mos ago. 
why are the personal pronouns at the end of the sentence sometimes? also, where are adjectives and prepositions placed?
 
@suinprae
 
Word order is a little tricky in Tagalog...but it's probably too long of an explanation to give here that covers all bases. Pronouns in particular can bounce around in the structure of a sentence...
 
Rather than trying to figure out rules that cover all cases for all sentences...you might start by just learning certain sentence patterns that you know are correct, and slowly expanding the number of patterns you know over time.
 
A couple general word order tips once you've mastered some basics:
- Keep in mind that the pronouns "mo", "ko" and "ka" often move closer to the beginning of the sentence than other pronouns.
- Learning enclitic ordering will be helpful.
- Pay attention to certain words / sentence patterns that flip the ordering, especially with pronouns.
Ex:
Alam ko. ( "I know," with "ko" after "alam")
vs.
Hindi ko alam. ("I don't know," with "ko" before "alam")
 
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Author Photo PinoyTaj Badge: Supporter
Nov 17 2021, 5:16pm CST ~ 2 years, 5 mos ago. 
“Date” the sentence order but don’t “marry” it.
 
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Author Photo BoraMac Badge: Supporter
Dec 02 2021, 10:27pm CST ~ 2 years, 5 mos ago. 
To my foreigner ear...out and about around the NCR...
 
So one by one...if you can't WRITE it...you don't KNOW it...so let's see what we KNOW...
 
Where are adjectives placed...connected directly in front of the noun or directly after the noun with a LINKER/MARKER/CONNECTOR/LIGATURE. The choice requires acquiring a Filipino ear for kagandahan...beautiful sounds. Depends on what combination of adjective(s) and noun you choose for how you fit them all together. Filipiono as ART rather than grammar.
 
Where are adverbs placed...most basic and clear placement is near the verb in initial position. Next best choice float to the end position...and pros can mix in the middle.
 
Where are prepositions placed...so base from...moooooooost basic...and summarizing
 
Adverb verb ANG focus-noun NG non-focus noun NA adjective SA prepositional noun.
 
SA acts as a universal preposition...near, on, at, around...anything clear from context and feel free to add more detail if context requires.
 
Note well that is mooooooooost baaaaaaaaaaaasic formal pattern as taught in most foreigner reference texts. Modern casual conversaational Filipino is going to quickly depart into a bunch of details, subtleties and KAGANDAHAN ART. Sooo cool!
 
Why are the personal pronouns at the end of the sentence sometimes...The most common way for a pronoun to float to then end of a sentence would be as a post possessive - say over that preopositional noun in the above model for example. SIMPLE example only!
 
Ahhh...pronouns...most BASE case...
 
Let's just stick with person to person action rather than person to common noun. Let's use a simple modal verb to simplify VERB Focus and PRONOUN focus AGREEMENT.
 
Like me herm. Gusto ko siya. (Siya is anoher universal element for her or him).
 
Gusto niya siya. He likes her....she likes him...he likes him...she likes her....herm likes herm. Flexible right! :D Maybe my pronoun is DECLARED as HERM????
 
Gusto kita. I like you. We prefer KITA as a contraction for KO KA because KOKA is not pleasing to our ear...as we noted above. Grammar is only going to get you so far then you need some emotion and creative instinct. Why do you think the Filipinos are world famous as friendly and happy. BIG HINT...a chunk is built into the langauge.
 
So there are some basic grammar organizing principles...that can be articulated quickly for basic guidance.
 
And there are rules that can be WRITTEN for more artistic elements...but they require engaing the emotional side of the brain a bit more directly.
 
Enjoy...Tagalog is more fun, din po! If you prefer grammar only, do what you can master.
 
Just find a way to use simple verbs first...and start talking.
 
Kita kits sa labas po!
 
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