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Speaking of politics, of course you were bursting onto the scene two years ago,

kasi almost two years na, not long after that election season starts.

And next thing I know, because I saw you on TikTok because I found your,

I think, may dayang algoritim. I'm sure they were putting us on each other's feet suddenly

because probably they know we are connected or we have similar kind of interests and all.

But anyways, I got to know that later on, you were recruited by one of the top presidential,

I mean, let's just say Lenny, right? The Lenny campaign. And you were like the head of the

TikTokers. Please correct me if I'm not getting it right. You were head of the TikTokers,

you know, like new group or something behind Lenny. Can you tell us something about

how did that transition happen? How did you go from social media influencer into,

how should I put it, a core element of a major political campaign for the soul of the nation?

I don't, I don't, I don't think I'm part, a core element. But, so, hindi, nag-volunteer kasi

ko. So, I volunteered. So, nag-sign up, sign up ako, ganyan. Eh, yung isang group, mabagal,

hindi ako nireplyan. Yung isang group, nireplyan ako. Tapos tinanong ako, what do you do?

Go lang, go lang. I'm a food content creator. Tapos sabi ko, tapos siyempre,

tapos nagtaka ko, sabi ko, is this how you do your orientation? One-on-one? Sabi nila, no,

because we, tinoka namin and you have follow, you have a platform. So, let's go on board na.

So, okay. So, I was dubbed as the first TikToker for Lenny because, because August of 2021,

content, content na ako. Um, nirelate ko, ang, siyempre food, no? Yung favorite food ni

Secretary Jesse Robredo ay yung inihaw sa kanto. So, gumawa ko lang inihaw sa kanto with matching,

gyung, ganyan, with matching suka. Tapos, um, of course, sabi naman ni Ma'am Lenny, di ba,

via osmosis mula kay Secretary Jesse yung kanyang naging, um, principles and values on leadership.

So, sabi ko, wala nang iba pa, kundi dapat si Lenny sa dulo. Tapos, nagka-traction ganyan,

tapos, siyempre, the entire lugaw thing. Tapos, yun na, after nun, tinanong na ako,

would you be willing to head, uh, to form a group with TikTokers and be one of, um, parang

the conveners for that? Sabi ko, go, go, go ahead, go ahead. Tapos, nagbuwork pa ako nito sa

isang cafe ha. Kaya lang nahiya ako dun sa cafe kasi even in work hours, nagiexcuse ako dahil may

meeting. Tapos, naga-rally happened. The first ever rally. Tapos, after nun, sabi ko,

bibigay ko na lahat. Tatlong buwan lang naman to. So, I quit my job. Alam nyo ho,

meron akong mga irrational talagang decision sa buhay. At that time, irrational siya, pero right

now, it made sense. Leap of faith, yeah. So, yun. So, sabi ko, okay, magpo full-time na ako.

Tapos, lumapit yung, um, digital team ni Senator Kiko, uh, ng team ni Senator Kiko,

para tumulong tayo sa digital, um, presence, ganyan. So, volunteer for the Lenny side,

campaign staff for Senator Kiko's side. So, both, hindi naman mahirap gawin yun kasi

similar naman. Hindi naman magkaiba ng partido, ganyan. So, si Don. Tapos, siyempre,

yung 100 grams na lugaw na, um, pinagtawanan, ganyan. Yeah, the lugaw makes perfect sense for

you to come in, right? The whole lugaw. I cooked it. 100 grams na lugaw. I cooked it and proved

that it can feed four people. Wala naman pong sinabi na yun lang yung pagkain nila for the

entire day, sinabi lang na, um, kasya ba siya for a merienda size that's 80 to 100 grams?

Alam nyo, meron tinatawag tayong proportion, diba? Kapag, kunwari, sa catering, kaya alam

ng caterer nyo kung gaano karami yung bibilhin niya kasi ang dalawang ulam, tatlong ulam,

apat na ulam, mas dumadami yung ulam o yung, yung choices, mas lumiliit yung portion size.

So kapag apat limang ulam yan, matigaw 120 grams lang yan per person. Ano yun ah? Meal

size yun. Iba pa po yung snack proportion. I'll push a little bit on this though. For

those who didn't have the privilege of this, or critics will put it the other way, um, did you

have a chance to interact directly with the principals, Lenny, her top campaign managers,

and what was your, um, what was your sense? Can you tell us something about it? Sorry,

I don't want to put you on the spot, but. No, no, it's fine. Parang weird naman, yeah.

Yeah. Ano, um, so before we formalize the group, um, nag-Zoom meeting with mom,

with everyone in the group, ganyan. So, everyone's so excited, nag-thank you siya,

um, at sinabi niya talaga doon na, alam niyo, sa lahat sa atin, online kayo yung pinakabugbog,

kasi kumbaga sa chess, kayo yung pawns eh, kayo yung musugod, kayo yung nag-ano, so nagpasalamat

siya at sabi niya, naiintindihan ko na yung mga bugso ng damdamin, na nang-aaway tayo,

kasi gusto talaga natin na itama yung mga mali, pero doon niya reiterate ulit yung radikalang magmahal,

ganyan. Um, so meron naman ganun. And of course, with Senator Tico's team also, um, there are

plenty of instances wherein there are personal interactions with the principals, and alam niyo,

one thing that I, hindi man realize, pero ito yung talaga napatunayan ko, nung may close encounters

ako with the principals, would be, I have supported the right candidates. Kasi, um,

hindi po nila ipinapagawa sa mga tao yung hindi nila willing gawin. At laging hindi mo marami

mo mararamdaman na tao-tauhan ka. Ganyan. Hindi ka muchacho. Sa kabisihan ng lahat ng yun,

merong human side lage. Meron laging pamumusta, ganyan. So, um, ano, tawag doon,

meron, yung tipo, si Ma'am Lenny kasi talaga. Sige lang, sige lang, express mo sari. Mahiyakin,

ano siya, mahiyakin. Exactly. So, akala ng mga tao, suplada siya. Tapos, kasi sa mga sorties po,

sa mga rally, kapag hindi sila umakit sa stage, kasi diba, sunod-sunod yan, ang pagitan yan,

isang araw, dalawang araw lang. From one province to the other, so talon-talon. Pag kuwala sila sa

stage, ang goal, mag-conserve ng energy. At syempre maraming nagpapapicture, maraming interview.

Yeah, makes sense. Kaya po, sila nakaupo lang. Economize. Kung hindi kakausapin, hindi sila

magsasal, kasi pagod na ko talaga. Kasi nakapag-engage. Pero pag naman in-engage mo,

engage ka naman. Si Sir, si Senator Kiko naman, um, ano siya, yung tipo, yung type niya na

organized ang mga bagay. Hindi niya type yung medyo mga surprise, ganyan. So, kailangan alam niya.

Kasi pag alam niya at naiintindihan niya, kahit sa ilalim ng matinding sikat ng araw, gagawin niya.

Kahit pagod siya, ganoon. So, basta alam lang niya. So. Were you instrumental to dun? Kasi,

di ba, farming and agriculture talaga yung peg ni Senator Kiko, di ba? Were you part of that

transition, that branding and all? How important were you to that branding effort? I mean, when I

say branding, I don't mean that pakiyut lang yan. Of course, I know he's really deeply, you know,

committed to that cause. But yun kasi yung talagang pinakano niya, di ba? Yung advocacy niya,

core, message niya, sorry, for his vice presidential campaign. Siguro as a group,

as a group pinagtrabahuhan yung how are we going to make farming sexy, ganyan. Yung tipong,

hindi siya boring, ganyan. Kaya, pero di. That's a good point. Adi yung hello, pagkain,

goodbye, gutom. Ang actually, ang I can claim. Oo, alam ko ng sagot. Si Bongbong Marcos ang

secretary. Now, I'm just kidding. Go ahead. Now, you're saying, yeah. No, talagang I can claim

that came from me was the hashtag maipagmamalaki ko. So, that's your copyright? Yeah,

maipagmamalaki ko na when they said that to, when they shared that to Sir, when they shared that to

the Pangilinan family, they were, oh, maipagmamalaki ko. And the first time I saw that,

it was Ma'am Sharon. It's SCP. We call her SCP, Sharon Coretta Pangilinan, who posted it on

Instagram. So, I saw, parang, yay, nagamit yung hashtag. Sharon level. Sharon level.

Before going to Sharon, ma'am Sharon, what was all of this all about? I have to really ask you

because ikaw yung na-tag doon eh. Sa'yo ko, wait lang, pinapollow ko sa TikTok siya daw eh.

Parang, ikaw yung sinisi doon. I just want to be brutally honest about it. Now, I'm not going to

throw anyone under the bus, but what, can you give your official statement? Anong, what was it all

this kamehameha, Dragon Ball Z all about? So, diba, sabi ni Ma'am, may lumapit kasi sa kanyang

production team. Nasabi, Ma'am, can we shoot you for some canned shots? Like you eating lugaw

or waving, sitting, smiling, haduken, ganyan, kamehameha, whatever. And then, that production

group doesn't have a platform. Wala siyeng paglalandingan nung canned. Cute lang,

pa-cute lang. Okay. So, they said, can TikTokers for Lenny help? So, na-hook in kayo. So, you can

put your twist into the video. So, sabi naman, sure, no problem. So, dahil naka green screen,

pwedeng ipatong, ganyan-ganyan. Tapos, may isang TikToker na naglabas. Siya yung unang naglabas

ng video. It wasn't, I mean, from, I mean, hindi naman ito mga professional content creators at production folks.

So, may maganda sa transition, ganyan-ganyan. So, pumutok. And then, from both sides, from all sides,

from the opposing side to the fellow ka-campaigns who are saying, hindi ito ang branding natin,

ganyan-ganyan. So, syempre, as leader, kailangan kong salagin. The box tops. Exactly. Sa akin.

So, sabi ko, okay, wait. I am the, I lead the team that handles, that created this.

For those who are saying that this is not our branding, let's remember Ocho Derecho of 2018,

we're so boring. We bored the Filipinos to tears. Nobody won. So, if this attack actually

gets and penetrates the outside of the bubbles that we're in, then it has, it served its purpose.

I see. If you cringed, it's not for you. Okay, ganyan-ganyan. Okay, now, sorry, Jelai, I'm gonna push you on this.

My concern is this, kasi of course, as a, I hate the term, poligaan is, I had to follow what

different campaigns were doing, no? And in fairness with the Bomba Marcos campaign, I'll ask you more

about that is, talagang, ano, he was like, kind of like a K-pop BTS almost, right? Bomber jacket,

V-cut shirt, yung buhok nila maganda na pa ganyan, tapos medyo may pakachinito siya, like, I found that

pretty well done. Not that I agree with him necessarily. I think people more or less know

where I stand on, especially fake news and historical denialism and revisionism, but I found it very

interesting. I was not surprised that it was very appealing to people. And one thing that I noticed is,

I mean, vlogger talaga si BBM, diba? I mean, like, he's so comfortable with all of this Paul Soriano

productions and all of that. My sense with Lenny was that she was not comfy with this. Some of this,

I don't want to use the word kenkoy, but playful stuff, including the hadohan, like, mukha siyang,

you know what I'm saying? Like, she didn't- Parang siyang batang- parang batang napilitan. Exactly,

like, it's clear na she's not into it. So, all the trolls had to do was edit it a little bit,

and it looked, like, really, like, it's almost like a sabotage, right? It didn't look like a

plop, it looked like a sabotage, right? I was saying, kasi gusto kong tanong kanina eh,

na-favec pa yung mga yan, yung mga nag-volunteer? Because they could be from a different side,

and kunyari mag-volunteer, yung pala, they're throwing you on, you know what I'm saying, right?

So, I don't want to be conspiratorial, but I was saying, but, I mean, clearly, sa mukha ni Lenny,

she's not really sold on this. So, parang napilitan lang siya, and that's the last thing you want to

do for your principal, right? So, these are- I will not speak- when you saw the product, and,

like, i-spread ba namin yan, i-tweet pa lang, hindi, alahanin eh, like, can you tell me about that?

Well, I will not speak on her behalf. No, yeah, we're talking about our understanding of the

situation. Right, but what she said on record- On her behalf, yeah. Yeah, but what she said on

record, in one of the debates, when she was asked was, it's because it was a request, sabi niya,

diba, na-doon ko to. Yes, yes. At yung maliit na bagay na yun, na ikatutuan ng volunteers,

bakit naman hindi? So, there's a big possibility that she wasn't in her comfort zone when she did

that, but she did that- Out of sense of duty, responsibility, and gratitude. No, out of sense

of appreciation. Gratitude, yeah. It's not- and this is what I want to point out. It's not about

her- hindi na nga niya concerned yung image, eh. Hindi rin niya nga naging concerned yung anong

magiging tingin ng tao. Hindi nga rin niya naging concerned yung anong magiging itsura ko.

Ang concern niya- It's a political campaign. Image matters. It's all about- let's be honest,

this is a campaign, my friend. I mean, the Bolu-Marcos campaign were masters of image

creation. I mean, that's my concern. And you are correct. But it doesn't make political sense to

me. Right. And you are correct. That's why they won. I mean- Yeah, I call it performative

populism, yeah. I'm not going to deny. And I'm not going to- alam mo yun, make excuses about it.

It is. We are in a campaign where image matters, where the former First Lady Imelda Marcos' statement

that perception is real, the truth is not, it's actually true. I mean, we might not agree with it.

Yeah. It is true. It's politically true, yeah. She's the first. From a very political utility

perspective, it is effective, right? By the way, baka akala ng mga tao. So, Chard and I,

nag-aabot kami in UP. We both took up social- political science. So, meron kaming- Yeah,

exactly. The reason I'm asking you is because you have a background in social sciences. So,

it's not like you're- I'm asking you some alien questions. So, I know that you were not in a

capacity as a political consultant. You were there as an influencer. But I'm sure you have

your own take on this issue. Now, let me push you a little bit more. Wala. Pumayag ka na,

ginusto mo yan. Okay. Ganito kasi. I'm not going to put words into your mouth or anything,

but one of the criticisms I heard about the Lenny campaign from people who supported Lenny,

you know, really good people. I mean, these are not like prima donna, you know what I'm saying?

Na parang their sense was not Lenny, but there was a cordon sanitaire around her. There were

people who were making her very inaccessible. I mean, I even had, I won't say which outlet,

but one of the world's leading newspapers telling me they were always baffled by how inaccessible

Lenny was. And I know some very good political consultants. We had very serious discussion

with them and the diplomatic community about the state of play. And they were saying,

there was a point na suddenly unreachable na si Lenny, na parang they feel they're being,

you know what I'm saying? Parang gineded mo na sila. I know, I'm not sure this is the right

thing to do, but my point is like, does this make, I mean, does this make sense? Just say it.

Like shucks, I'm not sure this is the right, but you see, I care. I care. That's why I'm saying

this because I know there are people that are saying, tapos ng 2022, let's just zip it, shut

up and move forward. But how can you move forward if you do not understand what the hell happened?

Because you're never going to win again, if you don't understand what happened,

what went wrong in 2019, 2022, because it can happen over and over again. So for me,

not because I'm a political scientist or historian or whatever per se, that I keep on going back to

what happened in 2022, but because for me, it's important that the opposition draws the right

lessons because I'll be brutally honest, Jello, Lenny can still become easily a senator in a few

years, also with Kiko, and she could easily be a top contender for 2028, if there'll be a third or

fourth party na malaswin. I'll just spell it out. I think Tulfo could run, and I think Tulfo could

make the race very interesting with Sara and Lenny could be in the mix. So for me,

Lenny is still competitive, she's still in the race, but it's important that they draw the right

lessons. And one of the things that I hear from people who are not, kaya ganito, I'm sorry,

here we're getting a little bit sensitive now, but that's why I made a distinction between

pure pink and quote-unquote dilaw. Iba pa yung dilawan, iba na yan, that's a derogatory term,

but dilaw meaning really the classic base that went for Mar, for Kiko, etc. But there are many

who voted for Lenny, who didn't vote for your other principal, for Kiko, because Kiko is more

associated with Liberal Party. So let's just call them pure pink. And a lot of these pure pink

people, pure not necessarily just because the other side is impure, I'm just saying they're

in the first time vote, is that their feeling is there was also some whiff of elitism going on,

not with Lenny per se, but people around her or something like that. I'm sorry I'm doing this.

No, I'm not sorry. I really have to, because it's not like Jello, I didn't reach out to people for

proper conversation, but I know there are many people there who behind the scenes are very honest

with me, but they don't want to be on the record talking to me, because they know what I'm going

to do. I'm going to go and, teacher talaga ako eh, deba? Explain mo sa akin. Explain this concept.

Right? So I really, I'm going to be like a thesis advisor, right? Anong nangyari dito,

dito sa methodology part, deba? Parang ganun eh. So the teacher in me, thanks for being, like,

what do you have to say to those people who say there was some whiff, not with Lenny per se,

because I know Lenny, as a fact, I met her. She's a super nice person. Not that others are not nice.

I mean, I met Bombo Marcos, I met Duterte, all of them, Isko, of course. But can you tell us

something about that? Whatever you're comfortable telling us. Yeah, go ahead.

And this is, and this is from my firsthand experience.

Yes, exactly. That's why I'm asking.

Let me put it this way. It's when you are

protecting something that is so valuable. Kasi pa, deba, her brand of governance

and leadership provided hope for a lot of Filipinos. And parang the people who are

the people who are around her would kind of like to protect that hope, which in an embodiment,

in the embodiment is her. Ganyan yun. I am sure there is no intention to become elitist.

There's no intention to become very exclusive. There's no intention for her to not to be

reachable by media outlets or by or by whatever, whoever party, right? It's more of,

number one, from a logistical perspective, campaign season is so crazy that every minute

counts. Ganyan. Yun tipong travel time, pinaplano yan. So yun tipong mga natatagalan,

kunwari, because there's an extended interview, medyo nadi-discourale the entire day. Kasi

sunod-sunod. Okay, let me push back on this because, okay, I'm sorry if I'm doing this to

you, but you don't have to answer it. Ganito kasi, some people are saying, okay, like Lenny has time

to do interviews with, I have no idea, OG Diaz or with influencers and showbiz people and all, but

there's a sense that she didn't have enough time dealing with, I'm not talking about myself per

se, but dealing with really high quality journalists who are going to push her, probe

her. You get what I'm saying? The sense was, is this protection or this is over-insulation or

what's going on? Is this a lack of, you don't have to answer it, by the way. I'm just saying

this because this is a conversation, right? A long-form is not me just asking you questions,

I'm also sharing my point of view. That's one thing. The other thing is we live in the age of

populism. So today I made another bombshell tweet, Sabiko, today populism is the only game in town,

it's just a question of variety. Are you going to be a polite populist, a progressive populist

like Bernie Sanders, or are you going to be a tatay style populist, right? So on and so forth.

So in the age of populism and digital information, accessibility, relatability

is far more important than it ever was. It's no longer the time that you have Emmanuel Quezon

there giving a beautiful speech, Janza, you know what I'm saying? And then we just, he's the guy,

no, now people want to feel you, touch you, relate to you. You get what I'm saying? It's the age of

fall of idols. It's the age of influencers. Even politicians are like influencers. Tatay Digong was

a classic influencer slash, I mean, our current president is a part-time blogger, right? Or some

would say the other way. Travel blogger, Magellan Jr., right? So my sense is, again, you don't have

to answer this. This is just my point of view. You can disagree with me a hundred percent, no

problem at all, Jello. My sense was her campaign was being run as if it's 2016, not 2022, right?

And it makes sense because the person who ran it was the person who also ran it in 2016, right?

Anyway, you don't have to answer this. I just had to get this out because I want to be honest. I

want to be honest with my audience that, you know, I have my strong analysis, not just opinion on

this situation. And I hope some people are listening here so that, you know, they can draw

the right lessons so that there's a hope for the opposition, because if there's no opposition,

there's no democracy. It's as simple as that for me, whether it's an opposition or not.

Ganun lang naman yung stance ko. Now, I think we went well beyond what we thought. It's already

one and a half hours. Wait lang, mayroon lang akong isisingit. Di ba, you talked about populism.

Yeah, please go ahead. Go ahead.

Alam mo, for our Gen Z audience, and it's a loose translation, of course, forgive me for this,

but it's a loose translation. But populism is clout, clout-chasing. In its most latent and

relevant sense, it's clout-chasing when, ano ba, magkakainterest ba sa'yo yung mga tao?

Uy, magalit si Christian Esguerra sa atin na ayaw niya ng clout-chaser daw.

Yan ang kaibigan natin yan.

Oh, I love Christian and his show.

I know, I know. He has a lot. No, I'm just saying, si Christian sometimes drops these lines

about clout-chasers. Ako naman mas practical, okay? My point is, you cannot do good unless you

have the power to do good, right? So you have to make sure you can get clout.

I mean, you may be saying all the right things, but if you have 10 followers, para ke?

Exactly.

That's it, yeah. It's a wrap. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate you

joining us today. I thought it's just going to be 30-45 minutes twice that time.

Oh, believe me, my friend. Remember when we had coffee, it was so biten. We just-

I know, which also happened to be Starbucks. So maybe we have to get sponsors now for our talks.

But that just means, dapat we do more of this hopefully later this year. Hopefully more in

person. Let's do proper ones and all. Ang dami pang pwedeng pag-usapan. Of course, not only

elections and politics, there's so much more. I want to talk to you more about what- because

ako, my new advocacy that I'm working on is Adobo Diplomacy. I want to push the DFA,

the Philippine government to be more active in promoting the Filipino food,

drawing lessons from the Thai campaign, drawing lessons from the campaigns in Malaysia.

You can count on me on that.

Exactly. So you are definitely the good partners I have in mind.

Char, can I just say that- and I want to do this publicly, right? I really do appreciate

the kind of- the brand of journalism and thought processing that you are advocating for.

It is a journalism that's trying to always be fair, but is not afraid to be biased to the truth.

Right.

I hope that's clear. Sa mga nanonood po sa atin, tanggalin natin yung konsepto na ang mga

giorno ay dapat laging neutral. I call it value zombie. Alamin nila ang katotohanan at magsasandig

sila or kihilig sila sa katotohanan. And I appreciate you, my friend, for that. Also because

you are able to make political thinking sexy and exciting. So kudos to you on that.

Thank you. Hopefully we can make farming sexy, cooking even sexier. I look forward to working

with you and a lot of our common friends and colleagues. Thank you so much, Chef Jello,

for joining us. Please follow Chef Jello as he enters his second year as a content creator.

May this be just the beginning of a thousand years of great content. No, because Jello,

let's be honest. You and I are not going to do everything right. And ako, you know,

thank you so much for your kind comments. Pero alam ko minsan, talaga balaura din ako.

My hope is, Jello, that a younger generation will watch me and say,

if Richard can do it, I can do it better. And I would love to see people doing it even better

than me because I'm just, you know, I'm just grasping in the dark here. Let's be honest

about it. I think many people are surprised I suddenly became a vlogger, right? I'm suddenly

doing this because, you know, I used to teach, I used to work in the mainstream media, and this

is a whole new world to me. But thanks to people like you, Jello, I feel less lonely. I feel

inspired. And just the other day, I was telling my mga ka-meta, ka-yamis na nababurnout na ako

because politics is really tiring. I mean, ako, I'm still talking about what happened in 2022.

People want to move on, right? But that's my job. I need to understand what happened so that I can

move forward. But at the same time, tao rin ako. Of course, I'm looking for inspiration, something

yummy, right? Including great food. You want to do firing? Let's do firing. Yeah, actually, I do,

I do. I have some videos I can show you. I'm better in semi-automatic than pistol. I don't

know why. Okay, let's do that. I know a place. Yeah, sure, sure. All right. No, but thank you

for having me. Yeah, yeah. You're talking about cooking, right? You're talking about cooking,

right? No, I saw what you did, right? I also do MMA and all if you want to join me sometimes,

you know, basic boxing, muay thai, ganun. Yeah, because one of my goals for 2023 is, I know,

healthy lifestyle. Too sweet and be healthy. Yeah. Thank you so much, Chef Jello. God bless you

and hope to see you soon. I mean, literally in person and send my regards to your dad,

your family, your kids, lovely family, your wife. Really appreciate it.

Annabelle is saying, thanks, Chef, for sharing your deeper thought with me, of course. Thank

you so much. Joining us from, I think, Australia. Yes, journalism should be biased. The truth,

facts, keep going. Thank you so much for it. Also, very thankful to

us. So, yeah, also super thankful. So, yeah, people are loving it. I'm really happy and you

can check it yourself. Of course, the comments, suggestions, feel free to directly engage them,

invite them over, post and repost and tag me. So, expect a final version of this podcast to

come out in the coming days. Okay. Oh, my God. It's the first time that I'm going to

appear in and be heard in Spotify. Yes. Congratulations. This is it. Yeah. So,

thank God. Our podcast is also going strong. I think we did pretty well in the 96-7 percentile

in the world. I know. We want to do better this year. Yeah. We want to do a fully better.

You shared the insights and it's pretty impressive. No, but thank you. Thank you. I

really enjoyed our time talking with each other and hoping that our audience was able to pick up.

So, thank you so much, Charles. Thank you. God bless you. Good evening to all of you.

To your followers, you have a giveaway, right? Yes, yes. In February, please visit my page.

February. That's Chef Jerry Guzan on Facebook and TikTok and Instagram. I'll be having a lot

of announcements, giving away some prizes from our partner brands. So, exciting, exciting times.

Congratulations, Chef. God bless you. More power to you and looking forward to tasting your yummy,

yummy, yummy stuff soon. God bless you. Let's go. Talk to you soon.

Magandang gabi.