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Religion DEBATE: The GOD of the GAPS | Komiksman and Jay Aruga
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I think the more important question is, parang siyempre Catholicism is a pre-medieval thing, diba?
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Ang claim namin is 2,000 years.
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O, diba? 2,000 years.
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From the time na-establish ni Jesus ang simbahan nung 33 years old siya.
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Kay St. Peter, diba?
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Dito niyong nag-anay. You are the rock, diba?
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Yan yung claim ng Catholic Church. So, 2,000 years.
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2,000 years. 2,022, diba?
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2,022. Iisama natin yan. The birth of Jesus.
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So, ganyan. So, with that.
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So, siyempre, it's a...
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I don't know if you can say it's ancient, diba? Pero we are now in this new era.
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With all the discoveries, developments in technology.
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Ang naalala ko dito is yung sinabi ni Neil deGrasse Tyson.
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I don't know if siya yung originator nito pero binanggit niya yun.
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Yung idea nung God of the Gaps.
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Ayo.
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Diba? The God of the Gaps is parang...
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So, let's say, dati kasi.
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Since we're not... hindi pa scientifically literate yung mga tao.
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Let's say, bakit umuulan?
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Diba? Kasi mabait ang Diyos.
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So, until ma-discover nung mga tao na...
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Ay, hindi. Kasi nage-evaporate pala yung tubig.
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Tapos nagiging ulap. Tapos babagsak siya ulit as ulan.
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So, water cycle.
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Tapos yung hindi mo alam, yun naman yung si God, diba?
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Kaya tinawag na God of the Gaps.
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So, yung maliit na pagitan ng mystery.
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Oo. Nasagot na.
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Nasagot na yung mystery. Tapos biglang lumiit naman yung mystery.
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Pero ngayon si God yung gagawin mong explanation dun sa God of the Gaps.
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Oo. Dun sa next mystery.
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Okay, CCU, na-figure out natin yung water cycle.
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So, bakit ngayon, sa physics yan usually,
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bakit ang buwan umiikot sa mundo?
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O kaya bakit yung mundo umiikot sa araw?
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Hindi pa nila alam kung ano yung gravity dati.
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Tsaka yung mga forces na yan.
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So, hindi. Dahil ganoon din nasayin ng Diyos.
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Yes, yes.
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So, yun ang explanation na.
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Until people figure it out.
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So, once people figure it out,
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edi parang nabawasan ang nabawasan yung participation ni God sa creation, diba?
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So...
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And to be fair, sa atheist side, mayroon din tinatawag na science of the gaps naman.
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Okay.
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Wherein, anything na hindi naman ma-explain ang science ngayon,
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is sasabihin natin na someday ma-discover ng science ang explanation dyan.
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So, yun naman yung science of the gaps.
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Ang masasabi ko lang din sa God of the gaps is medyo parang unfalsifiable claim siya.
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Sabi ni Karl Popper, meron siyang sinabi na kung ang isang theory scientific dapat at least may pagka-falsifiable siya.
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What do you mean falsifiable?
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Kunwari, nagbigay ako ng explanation ng something.
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Lagi mong sasabihin na God of the gaps to.
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And ngayon, ang challenge ko is, kailan yung point na hindi mo na sasabihin God of the gaps ang isang explanation?
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Kasi parang unfalsifiable siya, diba?
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Wala siyang ending.
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So, let's say pag sinabi ko yung kalam-cosmological argument or yung may argument for God's existence dun sa objective morality.
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Saan nakaground ang morality?
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So, let's say, kaya nating ginagawa ang kabutihan is there's a certain divine grounding sa moral good.
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And itong divine grounding na ito is God.
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Sabi ng isang atheist, hindi, God of the gaps lang yan dahil hindi mo ma-explain.
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And ngayon, parang the problem there is what possible answer can I give sa isang atheist para hindi niya masabing God of the gaps ang isang argument for God.
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And mostly ng mga argument kay God are philosophical kasi.
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Philosophical, logical.
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So, yun yung mga...
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Well, I think it's easier to...
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I think you can argue the existence of God philosophically, ganyan.
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And strongest siguro would be philosophically.
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But if you're gonna go to the nitty-gritty, especially Christianity or Islam na meron kang book na dapat it happened.
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Allegedly, it's supposed to be happen. Everything happened according to whatever is said in that book.
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So, yun yung parang...
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So, let's say kasi yun yung problem ko sometimes when discussing the Bible with atheist parang medyo...
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Kailangan, sige guys, let's agree muna na God exists.
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Kasi next level yun eh.
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Yung revelation naman.
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Next level is yung divine revelation which is yun nga yung Bible.
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And sa case ng Muslims yung Quran.
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So, before we get there, kailangan pag-usapan muna natin itong bagay na ito.
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Does God exist?
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Then if He exists, paano niya i-reveal ang sarili niya sa creation niya?
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So, yun yung next level.
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And mostly na kikita ko with atheism is ini-skip nila yung middle ground na let's agree muna that God exists.
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Dumidiretso na sila sa Bible.
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And with little knowledge sa Bible, medyo talagang makakakuha ka ng seemingly contradictions, seemingly absurdities.
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And for me, hindi yun yung honest approach in discussing this thing.
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So, parang nasa first floor pa lang tayo pero third floor na yung pinag-usapan natin.
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So, yun yung tingin ko.
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And for me, yung Bible, even si Jordan Peterson may re-release siyang video on the Bible.
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Namamangha siya sa Bible. Kasi, let's say yung Marvel Cinematic Universe.
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It's 11 years of storytelling, 20 plus movies, or ngayon 30 na.
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Pero from the first movie, yung Iron Man, up until Infinity Wars, hahanga yung tao.
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Because within 11 years, nakagawa sila ng isang coherent story under the guidance of Kevin Feige, yung pinaka-producer ng Marvel Cinematic Universe.
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And understandable kasi, kaya niyang magpa-pitch meeting sa mga directors, sa mga writers.
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11 years, nakagawa sila ng isang coherent story. Ang difference nito sa Bible is, sa Bible, it's around 6,000 years of storytelling.
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And most of the writers, hindi magkakakilala.
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And yung mga references in one chapter to the other book, napakadami.
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Parang yung connection niya is, kumbaga yung mga Easter eggs, nakakalat within the whole Bible.
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And napaka-coherent niya, from start to finish.
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So yun yung isa sa hinahangaan ko sa Bible. Kung humahanga ka sa Marvel Cinematic Universe, mas kahanganga yung Bible.
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And hindi magkakilala itong mga authors na ito. But the story is very coherent.
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Minus yung mga seemingly inconsistency, mas marami yung coherence niya kesa yung inconsistencies niya.
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Well, of course, siyempre kung tatanungin mo yung atheist, siyempre hindi siya mag-agree.
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Definitely na.