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Komiksman sits down with spoken word artist, writer, and poet, Leandro Reyes for a two-and-a-half-hour-long conversation about ...

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Okay, we are now streaming on YouTube. Okay, live na tayo sa YouTube.

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What's up, YouTube? This is TPKP144 with the powerful Leandro Reyes.

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Okay, and now, teka, sabak na tayo sa Facebook.

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Teka, ito ba yung Facebook? Ito nga. Go live. Okay.

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Share natin yan. Okay, yan. Sige, sige.

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Share muna natin. Sige, sige.

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Check ko din muna yung ano.

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Mute mo yung speaker mo pa para may naririnig yung speaker ng laptop.

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Nadya pa sa ano? Ay, oo nga. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

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Okay, teka. Let's check out the notifications first.

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Okay, naririnig na tayo, ha? Leandro.

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Ah, okay. Hello, hello, hello. Saan tayo? Sa YouTube at sa Kumu?

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Sa lahat. Sa Kumu, YouTube at sa ano. Pero I'm just confirming if Facebook is good.

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Kasi minsan biglang salita ka ng salita tapos wala pa pala.

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Ayan, nandito na tayo sa YouTube.

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Alright. Okay, okay, okay.

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Stream is good on Facebook, YouTube, and Kumu.

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I am with the powerful Leandro Reyes for the second time.

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This time around, nandito na siya sa studio in person, in the flesh.

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Okay, so OBP muna tayo and then let's go. Okay?

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Okay. Alright.

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Let's go.

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Welcome to the Powerful Comics Man podcast.

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Okay, so we are back. Medyo, ito, we are, this is the most confused podcast ever.

02:57.0

Lagi ko sinasabi. Kasi meron tayong jam cast, may mga nagtutugtugan.

03:01.0

Recently, mga nagra-rap yung mga nandito, mga rappers from the South.

03:06.0

Tapos meron tayong drawing companion where I guest illustrators like myself.

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Tapos nagdo-drawing naman kami.

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Ngayon, solid na straight-on podcast ngayon with matching spoken word probably.

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And I am with the returning, defending.

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One of the best conversations I had here in the podcast, check out his first appearance on TPKP.

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Hanapin niyo lang, the powerful Leandro Reyes. Yes, in the flesh, man.

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Thanks for having me, pare. Sarap dito. Ganda ng mga gamit-gamit mo dito.

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Oo nga eh. Well, ano yan, ilang taon din nung nag-pandemic kasi medyo nadagdagan ng ilaw,

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nadagdagan ng abang nangangarap ko na, di ba, babalik din tayo sa normal.

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Pwede, pwede, pwede.

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Deba?

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Pero, deba, yung tagal din, di ba, hanggang ngayon. Di pa rin naman.

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Di pa rin bumabalik sa normal. Hassle, sobrang hassle.

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So, how have you been, Mamin?

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Okay naman. Ramdam ko yung ano eh, yung parang hopefully transition, no?

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Parang di ka pa fully matawag na transition to whatever normal is to be now.

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Tapos feeling ko, yung mga pinaggagawa ko nung di ako makalabas,

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medyo ine-execute ko na ngayon.

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Nagsulat ako ng libro noon eh. 2 years ka rin di makalabas.

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Sulat ako libro. Tapos ngayon, ini-edit ko na, palabas na siya in a few months.

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Album, yun, maraming projects on the way na parang the entire time you were planning,

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tapos ngayon parang pwede nang execute, execute na.

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So, album as in spoken word album.

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Paano yun? Di pa ako nakakapakinig ng spoken word album.

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Paano yung atake sa paggawa ng gano'n?

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Well, nahi-pag-collaborate ako with a band.

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Yung bandang to, pangalan ng Talinaga.

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Nag-guest sila sa isa sa mga, actually nag-register sila sa isa sa mga open mic ng 3rd Thursdays.

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3rd Thursdays, fully booked ko ito ginagawa dati bago mag-pandemic.

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Every 3rd Thursday of the month?

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Every 3rd Thursday of the month.

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So, parang ano siya, gathering of artists, tapos merong 10 slots na pwede mong gawin kung ano gusto mong gawin.

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Tapos merong isang artist at the end of it na mag-perform siya kung performer man siya.

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Tapos i-explain niya yung process niya.

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Tapos pagkatas ng lahat, may parang pwede mong tanongin yung artist na yun.

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May parang small room discussion na tungkol usually sa process,

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kung anong nangyari, parang ano yung pinaprocess yung mga pyesa na pinareform, na binasa.

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So, yung talinaga, nag-register sila doon.

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Tapos feeling ko, nakarelate ako sa music nila.

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Ano klaseng tugtoga nila? Rock or ethnic?

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Medyo acoustic na light, easy music.

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Tapos trio sila eh, dalawang gitarista tapos isang vocalist.

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Ang ganda, ang ganda ng tone nila.

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Tapos parang ang saya nila eh, ang saya nilang nag-perform sila.

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Impitay mo dito, impitay mo dito. Pwede ba sila dito sa Jamcast?

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O sige, sige, sige.

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Parang natin dito yan.

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O talinaga, live tayo diba?

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O talinaga.

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Puntayo dito, sumango kayo.

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O nga, naging semi-kapitbahay kita ngayon eh.

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O, o, o.

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So, hopefully, pag nag-align ang mga tala,

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magiging medyo madala si Leandro dito.

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So, ano nga, paano yun?

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So habang nagsasalita ka sa album,

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nagtumutugtog sila?

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Oo, bale, parang yung music nila,

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ano, pinatong nila dun sa, actually may mga tula na pinainterpret ko sa kanila musically.

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Tapos may music din naman sila na eventually interpret ko sa tula.

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Parang kinuha ako yung album as 13 poems from my book, currently, that I'm about to release in a few months.

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Tapos yung 13 na tula na yun, may ano siya, mayroon siyang mini story arc.

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Tapos yung band, parang sila yung, kumbaga sa film, sila yung score.

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Sila nag-score nung arc na yun.

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Teka, so parang ano yan? Parang radioactive sagok project?

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Parang gano'n.

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Talaga?

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Mas amateur, radioactive sagok, solid yun.

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Yung ano, yung tawag dito, yung habang tumutula ka, background music lang yung ambient sound.

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Kumbaga talagang kasama dun sa art form yung tula at sya parang radioactive sagok nga.

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Parang gano'n, hindi siya Leandro Reyes featuring Talinhaga or Leandro Reyes scored by Talinhaga.

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Ano siya, ang pangalan nung album or nung artist name dun sa album ay Leandro Reyes at ang Talinhaga.

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So ano talaga siya? Parang equal talaga yung pag-contribute namin dun sa mga pyesa.

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Ah, I see. Kasi ang isang nakita ko pang ganyan, syempre pinaka-familiar tayong lahat sa radioactive sagok.

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Pero yung isa pa dyan na nakita ko from poems, yung collaborate, ginawa namang kanta.

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Poems ni Maningning Miklat, parang ginawang kanta nung kapatid niya, si Banaue.

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Si Banaue.

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Tapos ginawa ng score, ginawang kanta talaga ni Jesse Lucas.

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Naging guest ko sila actually, si Jesse.

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So ang ganda, ang ganda nung, I think that is a masterpiece, yung ginawang album na yun.

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Galing din ni Miss Banaue.

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Si Miss Banaue, isa sa mga mentors namin sa isang workshop sa UP.

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Talaga, oo.

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Galing, galing yung output niya.

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Ano siya diba, musician siya.

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Musician.

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Ang ganda nung input niya dun sa poetry na sinasulat namin.

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Kasi yung musicality ng poetry, yun yung ina-attack niya.

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Galing, galing.

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Oo, ibang, well, Banaue is, kumbaga, basta, ibang klase.

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Ibang level na artist dyan pagdating sa kantahan, pagdating sa music.

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Even her sister, yung si Maningninga, they're a very artistic family.

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Tawag dito.

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So, nag-UP ka ba?

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Nag-UP ka ba?

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Hindi, hindi.

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UP, ano to, spoken word workshop.

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National Writers Workshop.

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Amelia Lapeña, workshop siya.

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So, isa sa mga, andun din si Lord, si Lord.

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Isa sa mga, ano, sa panel.

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Si Banaue.

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Si La Servin, yan.

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Pero hindi ako sa UP nag-aaral.

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Ah, okay.

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So, paano ka ulit napadpad sa, parang yun ang na-miss ko yatang itanong sayo.

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Diba, paano ka napadpad dyan sa, I thought you were an academic sa literature or what?

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Maraming iba't ibang ugat yung kinantongan ko ngayon.

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Pero, siguro ilan sa mga yun.

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Bata pa lang kasi ako, mahalaga na sa amin yung literature.

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Nabanggit ko ba yung Lola Bashang?

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Yes, yes, yes.

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So, yun.

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Sabihin mo na ulit para alam nila.

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Sige, sige.

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So, grade grandson ako ni Severino Reyes, ni Lola Bashang.

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So, parang, yung, nung sunong bata ako, yung mga Filipino teachers ko.

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So, magaling na rin magsulat. Eh, hindi.

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Magaling na rin magsulat.

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So, mahilig ka rin sa literature.

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Yun, kaya kong sabihin, oo. Mahilig akong magbasa.

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Laging pinagmamalaki ng nanay ko sa mga kumari niya na 3 years old, 2 years old pa lang ako.

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Halos nagbabasa na ako.

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So, yun. Lagi akong nagbabasa.

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Isa yun sa mga, sa tingin ko kung bakit ko ginagawa to ngayon.

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At isa sa mga dahilan kung bakit ko, kung bakit ako very fascinated sa spoken word.

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Lalo na nung mga, nung sinisimulan ko pa lang yung spoken word path.

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Radioactives ako.

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Nung isa sa mga interview ni Lord sa, dagal na yun, dagal na yun, sa Mix.

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Tinanong siya kung anong genre nila.

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Ang genre ng Radioactives ako, sabi niya spoken word.

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Sabi ko, akala ko genre siya ng music.

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Yun pala, isang art form talaga siya.

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Tapos simula nun, na-fascinate na ako.

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Galing din kasi akong teatro.

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Tapos, isa spoken word, pwedeng ikaw na yung gumawa ng sarili mong piyesa.

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Ikaw na rin, pwede mo na rin na-execute. Pwede mo na rin na-develop mag-isa mo.

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Mas mabilis siya. Parang siya, hindi siya parang monologue eh.

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Pero yung atake kasi, ikaw lang eh.

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Tapos, direction na, direction na. Pwede mo nang i-deliver, pwede mo nang i-develop from there.

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So, yun. It's a mixture, I guess, of all those things.

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May difference ba ang monologue sa spoken word?

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Siyempre, monologue is also a spoken word.

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Pero may difference ba? Anong pinakaiba?

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Pareha silang oral tradition.

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Yung spoken word kasi, spoken word poetry kasi.

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It's, kumbaga, yung pinaka-fundamental niya ay tuladapat siya.

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Kumbaga, ang spoken word poetry, dapat poetry.

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Yung monologue kasi, story-based yun eh.

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Na parang, merong beginning, middle, end.

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Although meron din naman yung poetry.

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Or yung spoken word.

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Yung monologue, hindi siya necessarily poetic.

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Ah, I see, I see. O nga naman, no.

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Iba pa yung declamation, iba pa yung speech, diba?

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They're all oral tradition or spoken.

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Pero iba-iba yung fundamentals nila.

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Parang necessary for spoken word piece to have poetic rhythm.

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Poetics, elevated language, yung mga ganung bagay.

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I see, I see.

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And then, of course, how...

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Siyempre, spoken word nga eh, diba?

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So, kailangan i-perform mo yun, diba?

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Kasi kung nakasulat lang siya, tulalang siya.

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Magiging spoken word lang siya pag pineperform.

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Yes. At yun pa rin siya sa poetry reading.

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Yung poetry reading, kapag merong kampyesa, binasa mo, poetry reading yun.

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Yung spoken word poetry, sinusulat mo pa lang siya,

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meron ka ng intention to perform it.

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So, you're paying attention to your tempo, yung volume mo,

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yung gestures mo, facial expression, yung stage.

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Lahat. Meron ka ng...

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May iba ka ng considerations dun sa tula habang sinusulat mo pa lang siya.

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I see, I see. So, dapat talaga...

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planado saan ka mag-intonation, saan mo didiin.

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Pero, halimbawa, let's say may gumawa ka ng pyesa, spoken word,

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tapos ginawa ng iba, iba yung diin na ginawa niya, iba yung interpretation niya,

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will that be... how would you react to that?

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I would be completely okay with it.

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Siyempre, credit, parang nag-cover ng nganta.

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Kunyari, mag-cover ka ng nganta ni Lord.

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Hindi mo pwedeng sabihin, kanta mo yun.

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Sabihin mo, kanta to ni Lord, tapos ito yung babasahin ko siya.

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Kung iba yung atake mo, iba yung atake mo.

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So, okay lang siya?

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Kumbaga hindi naman siya...

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wala naman siyang nakalagay na parang music sheet.

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Dito yung ano, dito yung mataas, dito yung di galit ka dito.

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Hindi ko alam. Parang wala naman.

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At least for me, I wouldn't mind though.

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I would be happy kung may mag-cover ng lula ako.

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May mga nag-cover na naman.

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Umpisahan mo. Kunyari, ikaw mag-imvento nun.

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Kung paano yung parang music sheet ng ano, diba?

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Parang tablature ng spoken word.

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Napag-usapan namin yan in the past eh.

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Pero parang ang hirap niya kasi talagang gawin.

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Kasi, you go...

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you almost always wing it.

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Kasi with... parang teatro, diba?

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Parang every show is different.

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Ganun din spoken word.

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So, pag-approach mo, iba yung reaction ng audience.

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Ibang mga parts sila nag-react.

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Dun ka mag-capitalize or dun yung...

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dun mo ibabalik yung energy nila.

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I see.

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So, parang hindi mo pwedeng i-sakto lagi.

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I see.

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So, just like any performing arts material,

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every time you perform it, it's a different experience.

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For sure.

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Hmm.

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Okay, okay.

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I'm sure... di ko alam kung...

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nabanggit mo yata yun, pero parang refresher course sa amin.

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Pero, grabe.

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To those who are...

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we're not gonna rehash the things that we talked about last time, diba?

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Pero we talked about poetry,

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what we think about poetry and

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mga ganun bagay.

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Pero ang ganda ng mga usapan namin.

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So, i-search nyo na lang yung first episode

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with Leandro para mas ma-enjoy nyo.

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So, right now, ano,

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mag...

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iba naman ang pag-uusapan natin kasi

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hassle naman kung parehas lang, diba?

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Diba?

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So, ngayon,

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since nandito naman tayo,

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ang trending topic ngayon,

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mag-trending topic ngayon,

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tayo ngayon.

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So, pero this has something to do with ano yun kasi,

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with performing arts, diba?

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So, ang pinaka-trending na topic ngayon is

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yung kay Chris Rock na sinapak ni Will Smith, diba?

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So, diba parang,

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Chris Rock kasi is a comedian.

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Basically, he was hired in the Oscars

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to do his shit, diba?

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Na mag... yun ang ano nyo eh.

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At saka parang tradition naman sa Oscars yung mga...

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Ganong banter.

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Oma, ganon.

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At saka tingin ko hindi naman...

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I've heard much worse na mga insulto sa Oscars eh, diba?

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Tapos, ano masasabi mo dun sa ginawa ni Will Smith?

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Ako, I feel like

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Chris Rock hit a sore spot na...

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that led to that reaction.

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I wouldn't say I agree with it.

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I wouldn't do it.

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Which one? Chris Rock or kay Will?

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Yung kay Will.

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I feel like if it really offended me,

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I would've handled it in a different way.

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Which is not to say I don't understand why he did it.

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Hindi ko lang...

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I wouldn't do it like that, I guess.

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Pero, what do I know?

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Hindi ko alam yung pressure ng Hollywood eh.

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Feeling ko ganun ka bigat.

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Iba rin kasi yung culture nila dun.

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Siguro meron din kasi yung ano eh.

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May mga thing...

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Medyo weird kasi yung marriage nina...

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Unconventional.

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O ni Will Smith at saka ni Jada eh, diba?

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May mga...

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Hindi ko pinanood.

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Pero meron silang mga videos dati

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parang...

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She sleeps with other men, diba?

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Kung trip nila yun, diba?

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Pakilam ko ba sa kanila?

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Parang open marriage yung...

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O, diba? Pero...

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Ewan ko, siguro...

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Ewan ko bakit ganun na lang yung kinaasar ni Will Smith, no?

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Feeling ko mas kinaasar siya ni Jada.

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Feeling parang...

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Kanina ko lang kasi nakikita to eh.

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Literally 30 minutes before I went here.

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Nakita ko yun.

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Tapos...

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Napansin ko yung initial reaction ni...

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Ni Jada.

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Hindi siya natawa.

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Parang...

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Parang may...

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Tinamaan talagang nerve eh.

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Ah, okay.

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Yun yung...

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And feeling ko...

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Nakita yun?

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Oo, parang...

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Nakita ni Will?

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Di yun yung reaction ni Will.

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Parang sabi niya rin, diba, dun sa acceptance speech niya na...

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Love makes you do crazy things.

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Parang ganun niya sabi niya, diba?

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Yeah.

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Well, hindi ko pa napapanood yung acceptance speech niya.

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Ah...

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Pero it's ano e, diba?

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Ang weird lang talaga, no?

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Diba masapak ka sa...

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Masapak ka sa Oscar?

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Oo.

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Pero alam mo, kasi ako...

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Mayroon na ko e, diba?

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So...

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Sabi ko, wala akong pakialam sa kanila, diba?

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Mga milyonaryo naman sila e.

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Gusto ko lang...

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If you're gonna do this, then let's go, diba?

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To, doon na natin.

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Actually, yun yung bawi ni Chris Rock after it happened.

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Anong ginawa ba ni Chris Rock?

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Sabi niya...

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Well...

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Parang something to the effect of...

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That's the...

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Most entertaining...

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Ayun, oo.

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That's the most entertaining thing on television.

21:51.0

Parang ganun.

21:52.0

Pero nasapak siya, e.

21:53.0

Diba?

21:54.0

Kung to'o siya, pwede siya magsampan ng ano doon, e.

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Nang...

21:58.0

Nang...

21:59.0

Tawag doon.

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Nang charges talaga, e.

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I guess, oo.

22:02.0

Kasi assault yun talaga.

22:03.0

Assault, oo.

22:04.0

Kumbaga, yung ibang nga, nabonggulang ng konti, e.

22:05.0

Assault, oo.

22:06.0

Diba?

22:07.0

Mga nana.

22:08.0

Tapos...

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Diba?

22:10.0

Nagpe-pretend na nasagasaan ng kotse, diba?

22:11.0

Pero hindi naman.

22:12.0

Para lang makakuha ng...

22:13.0

Well, I suppose Chris Rock doesn't really need the money.

22:16.0

Kasi...

22:17.0

Mayaman din naman siya, diba?

22:19.0

Although...

22:20.0

Tingin ko hindi siya nakapalag kasi...

22:23.0

Mas ano sa kanya, e.

22:24.0

Siyempre, may hierarchy sa Hollywood, e.

22:26.0

Siguro mas malaking influence ni Will Smith kesa sa kanya, e.

22:29.0

Intense nga yung ganong...

22:31.0

Yung ganong sistema.

22:32.0

May hierarchy.

22:33.0

Oo.

22:34.0

Kasi A-lister na...

22:35.0

Si Will Smith kasi, alam ko, nasa music industry siya.

22:38.0

Si Chris Rock, medyo matagal siyang nawala sa limelight, e.

22:42.0

So, I'm assuming...

22:43.0

Well...

22:44.0

Siguro naman, malakas din ng influence ni Chris Rock sa Hollywood.

22:48.0

Kasi kaya nga siya naimbitahan, diba?

22:50.0

Pero, tingin ko, mas top dog pa rin si...

22:55.0

Si Will Smith pagdating sa mga circles nila, diba?

22:59.0

I guess, oo.

23:00.0

Hindi siya nakapalag, e.

23:01.0

Pero kung ako yun, kung ako lang yun, no?

23:03.0

Just to save my honor, kasi nasapak ako, e.

23:06.0

Oo.

23:07.0

Sabi...

23:08.0

Hawak mo yung tele...

23:09.0

Hawak mo yung ano, e.

23:10.0

Yung mikropo, ano, e.

23:11.0

Tagbanatan pa, tagbanatan.

23:13.0

Hanggang mag-commercial sila, diba?

23:16.0

Diba, sasapakin mo ako, gago ka ba?

23:19.0

Ako...

23:20.0

At least non-violent, diba?

23:23.0

Ako talaga, I don't agree with ano, e.

23:26.0

It's just me.

23:27.0

Again, yung ano nga, e.

23:28.0

Diba, parang...

23:30.0

We react to intense or emotional events in different ways.

23:38.0

I felt like I wouldn't...

23:41.0

Parang inisip ko na lang kung saan siya nanggagaling.

23:43.0

Tapos, inisip ko kung paano ko siya i-coconsume.

23:46.0

And kung nag-agree ba ako, hindi.

23:48.0

Parang gano'n.

23:49.0

And it's kinda...

23:50.0

Ang nakakagulat do'n, kasi parang di naman yung nangine-expect mo kay Will Smith, e.

23:53.0

Parang nakagulat ako, bakit siya nag-snap do'n, diba?

23:56.0

Actually...

23:57.0

But then again, it's Hollywood, e.

23:59.0

Stranger things have happened.

24:01.0

And honestly,

24:04.0

ang daming bagay na hindi mo na-expect mangyayari, bigla na lang nangyayari.

24:08.0

Oo nga, e.

24:09.0

Hai, nako.

24:10.0

Anyway...

24:12.0

Sabagay, dito nga...

24:13.0

Well, ang Oscars din naman, kasi medyo wala na rin ng nanonood.

24:16.0

So, I suppose it's good ratings for them, for the Oscars, diba?

24:23.0

Anyway...

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Ah, teka, nag-hi sila.

24:26.0

Si Jack Carlos, si Melissa Franny,

24:31.0

si Ringo, Ringo Ordonez.

24:34.0

Oo, hello.

24:35.0

Mag-hi lang tayo, kasi we're...

24:38.0

Kamusta?

24:39.0

Masarap ang usapan namin, kaya hindi kayo masyado.

24:41.0

Masarap ang usapan namin, kaya hindi kayo masyado makakapag-hi.

24:44.0

JM Cruz!

24:46.0

And, sino pa ba?

24:48.0

Si Kit Perez.

24:49.0

Hazel Linco is also here.

24:51.0

Please share the stream and...

24:53.0

Yun.

24:54.0

Just join the conversation.

24:57.0

We're gonna mention the comments whenever we can.

25:00.0

Pero, like I said, okay ang usapan namin.

25:03.0

So...

25:04.0

Yun.

25:05.0

So...

25:06.0

Pero dito, dito sa ano ba?

25:08.0

Sa...

25:09.0

Sa...

25:11.0

Sa local scene,

25:13.0

may mga gano'n ba na nangyari?

25:16.0

Sa...

25:17.0

Diba, pa-hassle yun, no?

25:18.0

Well, I'm sure may mga nangyari na din gano'n, no?

25:21.0

Feeling ko?

25:24.0

Sa local scene,

25:26.0

ang pinaka-involvement ko na...

25:28.0

Kasi, nagsusulat din ako ng script,

25:30.0

tapos, di ko alam kung nakuwento ko in the past.

25:32.0

Pero,

25:35.0

na kasama ako yung...

25:37.0

Nakasama ako sa workshop ni Sir Ricky Lee eh.

25:41.0

So, parang yung mga kwento nila dun,

25:45.0

yun na yung pinaka, ano ko,

25:47.0

parang vicarious experience ko sa kanila na

25:53.0

yun yung mga kwento na nangyari sa industry ah.

25:57.0

Pero, di ko pa masyadong na...

26:01.0

di ako masyadong immersed sa

26:03.0

local film

26:05.0

industry.

26:07.0

Pero, feeling ko intense din.

26:09.0

Do you, ano?

26:10.0

Kasi ako, yung...

26:12.0

I've never been in the local

26:14.0

film industry, pero

26:16.0

meron akong isang...

26:20.0

di ko masasabing experience, pero

26:22.0

gayon ang nangyari.

26:24.0

Dun sa bahay namin dati, merong

26:26.0

dun sa lugar namin, sa street namin,

26:28.0

may nagshoot-shooting dun.

26:30.0

Tapos, yung mga producers

26:33.0

parang ni-rent yung house namin, para

26:35.0

pag nagshoot-shooting sila dun, dun sila

26:37.0

magpapahinga, di ba?

26:39.0

So, parang...

26:40.0

Eh, since okay lang naman sa amin,

26:41.0

oh, di sige, nandyan.

26:42.0

So, minsan nagshoot-shooting din sila

26:44.0

dun sa bahay, di ba?

26:46.0

So, yun lang yung nakita ko.

26:50.0

So, when that happened,

26:52.0

I was able to observe

26:54.0

yung mga galawan nung...

26:56.0

I don't know, this happened early 2000,

26:58.0

baka 2001, 2002.

27:00.0

So, it's been a long time.

27:02.0

Two decades ago, okay?

27:04.0

So, baka hindi na ganito ngayon,

27:06.0

hopefully. Pero nung nakita ko dun,

27:08.0

sobrang toxic.

27:10.0

As in, sobrang toxic nung kultura.

27:12.0

Na, alam mo yun,

27:14.0

gayetong katoxic e. Yung tipong

27:16.0

lahat ng tsu-tsu-tsu,

27:18.0

lahat kiss-ass dun sa director,

27:20.0

kung sino yung pinakamataas.

27:22.0

Yung hierarchy talagang kitang-kita mo e.

27:24.0

So, let's say, yung cameraman,

27:26.0

siyempre, mas mataas sa kanya yung director

27:28.0

o yung kung sino man dun.

27:30.0

Pero, siyempre,

27:32.0

mas mataas yung cameraman

27:34.0

dun sa lineman, nung nakikawak

27:36.0

yung assistant niya.

27:38.0

So, pag napagalitan yung

27:40.0

cameraman,

27:42.0

baka galit siya,

27:44.0

papasan niya dun sa...

27:46.0

Nakapag-shoot na rin ako

27:48.0

ng film, ng shorts.

27:52.0

Hindi ko alam e, kasi parang

27:54.0

feeling ko, kapag may kailangan

27:56.0

i-correct, edi correct natin.

27:58.0

Hindi, never

28:00.0

ko nakitang productive ang hierarchy

28:02.0

in any

28:04.0

project that I do.

28:06.0

So,

28:08.0

hindi ko alam. Sana hindi na gano'n ngayon.

28:10.0

Hindi pa ako na-involve sa mga gano'n

28:12.0

kalaking production, pero at least

28:14.0

the productions that I've been involved in.

28:16.0

Mayos naman yung

28:18.0

pakikitungo ng lahat sa lahat.

28:20.0

Ang napansin ko kasi din,

28:22.0

bukod dun, yung talagang

28:24.0

medyo cutthroat

28:26.0

talaga sila sa isa't isa, e. Parang

28:28.0

ah, tapos

28:30.0

makiri... Bawa, diba, nandito ako sa

28:32.0

isang side na to, nag-uusap. Since nakatambay

28:34.0

lang ako sa isang spot, makikita

28:36.0

ko, chinichismis niya na

28:38.0

yung nangyari.

28:40.0

Chinichismis niya sa kabila.

28:42.0

Talagang, ano, sabi ko, grabe naman

28:44.0

tong mga to. Diba?

28:46.0

Kumbaga, napaka-toxic talaga.

28:48.0

Kumbaga, parang hilahan. Yung crab mentality

28:50.0

nakita ko talaga dun, e. Dun sa...

28:52.0

dun sa production na yun.

28:54.0

Tapos kung ano, kung

28:56.0

turing nila yung mga artista, talagang

28:58.0

kulang nalang sambahin nila, e. Tapos...

29:00.0

They literally were dancing

29:02.0

for them. Literally, sumakasayaw

29:04.0

sila para mga mukhang

29:06.0

usa dati yung mga, ano e, mga

29:08.0

novelty songs na nakakatawa, e.

29:10.0

Sumakasayaw sila dun para patawanin

29:12.0

yung mga... Grabe.

29:14.0

Grabe talaga. So...

29:16.0

The film projects that I've been involved in, mayos

29:18.0

naman lahat. Di pa naman

29:20.0

ako naka-experience ng

29:22.0

nabastos ako

29:24.0

sa set.

29:26.0

Fortunately, I guess, kung

29:28.0

may mga ganun ko yan, di ko naman

29:30.0

siya na-experience. Well, I suppose, siguro, kung

29:32.0

indie, mas ano...

29:34.0

Pero kung... Ito kasi big

29:36.0

production talaga to, e.

29:38.0

Pang teleserye yun, e. Teleserye.

29:40.0

So, siguro, yung politics involved there

29:42.0

is... And it was the heyday

29:44.0

of, ano, ng...

29:46.0

ng Philippine television.

29:48.0

Yung mga... 2000, 2001.

29:50.0

Mga late 90s to

29:52.0

early 2000s, diba? Yun yung talagang

29:54.0

ano sila, e. Kataasa ng

29:56.0

kapuso versus kapamilya yan, e.

29:58.0

Diba?

30:00.0

Diba yun?

30:02.0

Di ganun nga, e. Diba? So, yun

30:04.0

yung time na ganun. So, talagang

30:06.0

ewan, ewan. Pero,

30:08.0

di ko alam, ha. Maybe

30:10.0

that experience just

30:12.0

tumatak lang talaga sa utak ko na

30:14.0

parang, wow. Tapos,

30:16.0

ang pinakang nag-cap dun was

30:18.0

30:20.0

last day ng shooting, may

30:22.0

nag-knock out ng cellphone ko.

30:24.0

Oo, may nag-knock out ng cellphone ko.

30:26.0

Tapos, di

30:28.0

hinahanap yung... Ay, nawawala yung

30:30.0

cellphone ko. Tapos, ang ginawa nung

30:32.0

yung isang tao

30:34.0

dun. So, sige, sige. Kapaan

30:36.0

muna. Tingnan yung mga bag, diba?

30:38.0

Parang ganyan. Ako naman, di ko, di man ako

30:40.0

nag-suggest nun, diba? Nanonood lang ako.

30:42.0

Tapos,

30:44.0

dumating yung director.

30:46.0

Nagalitan pa ako. Bakit

30:48.0

nyo gagawin yan?

30:50.0

Diba? Parang kasi...

30:52.0

Bakit nyo gagawin yan?

30:54.0

Parang ano siya, eh.

30:56.0

Hindi lang naman tayo ang pumapasok dito.

30:58.0

Parang ganun. Hindi, hindi ako naman siya.

31:00.0

Pero, ang labo pa rin, eh. Diba?

31:02.0

So, parang, siguro

31:04.0

naano lang talaga ako sa experience

31:06.0

niyo. Hassle.

31:08.0

Pero, pero in your, ano,

31:10.0

you're also involved in, ano,

31:12.0

in films,

31:14.0

bakit? Yeah, yeah. Oo,

31:16.0

I am.

31:18.0

I was in Bonga.

31:20.0

Sino yan?

31:22.0

Sabihin ko.

31:24.0

I am, oo.

31:26.0

Yung, may mga sinusulat

31:28.0

akong film ngayon. May mga

31:30.0

small involvement ako sa ilang mga film ngayon.

31:32.0

As a what? A script writer?

31:34.0

Ganun? Oo.

31:36.0

Mayroon akong,

31:38.0

mayroon kaming project

31:40.0

with

31:42.0

batch 24.

31:44.0

Ano yung batch 24?

31:46.0

Workshop batch

31:48.0

ni Sir Ricky.

31:52.0

So, ano yan,

31:54.0

ako yung naataasang magsulat

31:56.0

31:58.0

flow.

32:00.0

Essentially, the script.

32:02.0

Nag-workshop ka ba dun sa kanya?

32:04.0

Pandemic nga lang.

32:06.0

Sana nga pwede ng

32:08.0

face-to-face.

32:10.0

Ganun? Oo.

32:12.0

Over-zoom yung ano?

32:14.0

Over-zoom. Oo.

32:16.0

Oo. So,

32:18.0

masarap ng experience

32:20.0

yan. Ang dami ko natutuhan.

32:22.0

So, are you working on a

32:24.0

film ngayon? Yes.

32:26.0

Wow. Talaga? So,

32:28.0

yun bang mga

32:30.0

students ni

32:32.0

Ricky Lee, no?

32:34.0

Sino yung Ricky Lo?

32:36.0

Iba si Ricky Lo.

32:38.0

Ricky Lee tayo.

32:40.0

So, yun pang mga

32:44.0

students niya, usually

32:46.0

parang he gets to

32:48.0

parang, ay, mapapasaan

32:50.0

ng mga work? Ganun ba?

32:52.0

Well, syempre hindi lahat,

32:54.0

diba?

32:56.0

Sobrang approachable kasi ni Sir Ricky.

32:58.0

To a point na, Sir, meron akong

33:00.0

bagong script. Pwedeng pa

33:02.0

basa.

33:04.0

Babasaan niya eh. Talaga? Oo.

33:06.0

Um, syaka sobrang sipag kasi niya.

33:08.0

Yung work ethic niya, every

33:10.0

day,

33:12.0

three hours every morning, nagsusulat siya.

33:14.0

Gaano kahaba yung

33:16.0

yung script na

33:18.0

sinend mo? Ah,

33:20.0

kahaba yung script na

33:22.0

sinend ko. Ah,

33:24.0

bilang pages?

33:26.0

Mga, ah, mga

33:28.0

thirty-five?

33:30.0

Thirty-five? Mga kahaba rin yun, no?

33:32.0

Mahaba din yun. So, parang short.

33:34.0

Sa kami nung time na yun. Ah, I see.

33:36.0

So, yun talaga yung ano niya?

33:38.0

Yun talagang buhay niya na talagang

33:40.0

magbasa, tsaka mag-consume ng mga...

33:42.0

Screenwriter talaga siya.

33:44.0

Scriptwriter.

33:46.0

Ano bang pinagkakaiba ng screenwriting sa...

33:48.0

Kasi ako, I do graphic novels.

33:50.0

I have my own way of, ano,

33:52.0

writing my scripts.

33:54.0

So, syempre, since ako din yung magdodrawing,

33:56.0

alam po kung anong

33:58.0

itsura nun. Kumbaga parang,

34:00.0

mga notes na lang. Usually, ang ginagawa ko lang

34:02.0

34:04.0

brief description

34:06.0

of the

34:08.0

scene. Kung ano yung nakalagay

34:10.0

sa panel. So, flying.

34:12.0

Kunya, ganyan. Tapos,

34:14.0

parang ganyan. So, tapos,

34:16.0

depende kung...

34:18.0

Kasi I'm writing

34:20.0

a science fiction graphic novel ngayon.

34:22.0

And, it's...

34:24.0

yun ang pinak-mahirap na

34:26.0

story ang sinusulat ko.

34:28.0

So, kumbaga hindi ko kayang...

34:30.0

Dati kasi, gumagawa ko ng comic strips.

34:32.0

Kung ano lang maisip ko yun.

34:34.0

Kumbaga rekta na. Kung ano mangyayari.

34:36.0

Ito yun. Kasi ganyan.

34:38.0

Ito kasi, parang hindi mo pwedeng gawin yun.

34:40.0

It's too complicated to do that.

34:42.0

So, kailangan...

34:44.0

Ang ginagawa ko,

34:46.0

inilay-layout ko lang yung

34:48.0

mga actual na dialogue.

34:50.0

Syempre, pwede ko paring baguhin yun.

34:52.0

Pero, at least, medyo polido na.

34:54.0

Tapos, yun ang

34:56.0

ginagawa ko.

34:58.0

Kasi,

35:00.0

at the very core,

35:02.0

ang storya ay storya.

35:04.0

So, kung paano mo siya

35:06.0

ia-at kunyari,

35:08.0

kung screenplay siya,

35:10.0

gagamit ka lang ng techniques and elements

35:12.0

ng screenplay.

35:14.0

Parang...

35:16.0

Actually, minsan,

35:18.0

iniisipan na rin saan mo siya isushoot.

35:20.0

Di mo pwedeng...

35:22.0

Di mo minsan kailangan mo

35:24.0

isipin kung

35:26.0

kung posible ba siya, kung visual ba siya

35:28.0

to a point na kailangan,

35:30.0

na pwede mo ba siyang

35:32.0

tutukan ng camera, at makukuha mo ba

35:34.0

yung point na yan? Kasi saan,

35:36.0

pwede ka namang gumawa ng screenplay na animated.

35:38.0

Pero kung hindi siya animated, yun yung mga

35:40.0

considerations mo. Sa arali mo yung

35:42.0

mga techniques. Pero,

35:46.0

yung pinaka-point pa rin,

35:48.0

ay nagsusulat ka ng kwento.

35:50.0

So, yung kwento pa rin yung pinakamahalaga.

35:52.0

Paano yung mga

35:54.0

locations? Di ba? Parang

35:56.0

kailangan ba,

35:58.0

syempre, bawa, kung sa Pilipinas,

36:00.0

maga...

36:02.0

Medyo ano e, maga ba ako kailangan

36:04.0

may simbahan, di ba? Iniisip ba

36:06.0

kung saan ang simbahan to, di ba?

36:08.0

Or what?

36:10.0

Kasi baka pag nakahanap, iba yung itsuro ng simbahan

36:12.0

sa iiisip mo e.

36:14.0

Paano yun? Actually, sinasabi nila,

36:16.0

susulat mo na muna

36:18.0

saan mo naisipin yung logistics

36:20.0

about it. Kasi parang mas mahalaga nga yung

36:22.0

kwento. Pero ako,

36:24.0

in experience, parang

36:26.0

iniisip ko na rin,

36:28.0

iniisip ko na rin

36:30.0

kung pwede ko siya

36:32.0

i-shoot, kung gano'n kalagay ang budget, gano'n.

36:34.0

Kasi,

36:36.0

mahilig ako mag-produce

36:38.0

ng sarili kong stuff e.

36:40.0

So,

36:42.0

iniisip ko na,

36:44.0

mali yun e.

36:46.0

Alam ko, kaya ko sabihin sa sarili ko na

36:48.0

hindi ko dapat yung ginagawa. Habang

36:50.0

susulat ko yung

36:52.0

story, pinaplano ko na kung paano siya i-shoot.

36:54.0

Hindi siya productive

36:56.0

e. Pero, siguro,

36:58.0

it's my

37:00.0

way of working

37:02.0

around na, okay,

37:04.0

isang location lang

37:06.0

yung, o dalawang location

37:08.0

lang yung

37:10.0

yung pwede kong i-sulat. Kasi,

37:12.0

para kaya ko siya i-shoot,

37:14.0

hindi ko siya dadalhin sa

37:16.0

setting na kailangan ng

37:18.0

lumipad

37:20.0

sa ibang probinsya o sa ibang

37:22.0

bansa. May

37:24.0

mga ganunong considerations. Pero,

37:26.0

honestly, kapag

37:28.0

trip ko lang talagang mag-sulat, kahit

37:30.0

ano, kahit

37:32.0

sobrang

37:34.0

intense ng kwento,

37:36.0

for enjoyment mo lang naman.

37:38.0

Kasi, halimbawa,

37:40.0

kahit yung mga simple bagay lang na

37:42.0

eksena, kasi kung

37:44.0

comics ka, madaling i-drawing yan.

37:46.0

Kahit sa Mars pa yan,

37:48.0

kahit saan, kahit sa

37:50.0

ang bansa. Pakahanap ka ng

37:52.0

reference yun na yun. Pero,

37:54.0

halimbawa, kahit dito lang,

37:56.0

kahit yung simple na, bahwa, nag-uusap sila

37:58.0

sa magkatapat ng bintana.

38:00.0

Kailangan makahanap ka ng

38:02.0

bahay na may magkatapat na bintana.

38:04.0

Kasi hindi mo makagawa yun.

38:06.0

So, anong gagawin mo?

38:08.0

Papagawa ka ba ng dalawang bahay na

38:10.0

parang magawa yung shot na yun?

38:12.0

Diba?

38:14.0

Yung mga pinanood kong gano'n,

38:16.0

pagkabigay sa kanilang

38:18.0

ng script, isipin na nila

38:20.0

kung kailangan ba nila buuwin, o pwede sila

38:22.0

magganap ng gano'n location.

38:24.0

Medyo mahirap magganap ng gano'n.

38:26.0

So, yung mga

38:28.0

big budget, the big productions,

38:30.0

meron silang gano'n

38:32.0

option. Pwede ba natin

38:34.0

buuwin yung set?

38:36.0

Or, makahanap ba tayo ng

38:38.0

location na pwede nating argilahan?

38:40.0

Pero,

38:42.0

kung independent

38:44.0

filmmaker ka,

38:46.0

sa totoo lang,

38:48.0

isipin mo na lang, okay na ba tayo sa

38:50.0

isang location lang? Tapos

38:52.0

minsan, nagiging okay rin siyang exercise

38:54.0

38:56.0

isang eksena

38:58.0

lang, isang setting

39:00.0

lang yung buong film.

39:02.0

May isang film

39:04.0

na nasulat ko,

39:06.0

isang

39:08.0

location lang, tas isang kwarto lang.

39:10.0

Isang

39:12.0

trap lang sila sa isang bodega.

39:14.0

So, yun na yung buong film.

39:16.0

Yung script

39:18.0

na yun, inspired by

39:20.0

walang

39:22.0

kataposang kwarto. Napanood mo na ba yung

39:24.0

walang kataposang kwarto?

39:26.0

Dormitoryo ni

39:28.0

Direk...

39:30.0

Basta, nandun si

39:32.0

si Shing.

39:34.0

Si Shin Lihine. Kaklasiko

39:36.0

siya sa Batch 24.

39:38.0

Tapos,

39:40.0

nung una hindi ko pa sure kung siya yun.

39:42.0

Pero yun naman,

39:44.0

ang kwento no,

39:46.0

nasa isang dorm room lang sila.

39:48.0

Yun na yung buong short.

39:50.0

Very

39:52.0

fascinated ako sa mga ganong

39:54.0

atake, mga low budget

39:56.0

39:58.0

dependent talaga sa

40:00.0

kwento, sa writing.

40:02.0

Parang yung ano, di ba?

40:04.0

Yung naalala ko lang bigla,

40:06.0

yung

40:08.0

kung paano ako naging first lady

40:10.0

na play ni Carlo Vergara.

40:12.0

Diba? Nasa isang ano lang sila.

40:14.0

Nasa isang parang...

40:16.0

Ang galing nga nun e!

40:18.0

Ang ganda yun, di ba?

40:20.0

Isang set lang.

40:22.0

Parang nandun siya sa

40:24.0

kuta ng mga superhero.

40:26.0

Tapos naggawa niya. Nandun, lahat ng mga nangyari.

40:28.0

Ano din, Rock of Ages

40:30.0

ganyan din. Isang ano lang sila.

40:32.0

Ang ganda ng set ng Rock of Ages.

40:34.0

Pero isang

40:36.0

set lang sila, hindi nila

40:38.0

pinapalitan, hindi sila lumilipat.

40:40.0

Talaga? Wow!

40:42.0

Yung isang play na gusto kong panuorin

40:44.0

na hindi ko napanood.

40:46.0

Ganda na.

40:48.0

Pero sa teatro, nakalabas ka na ba?

40:52.0

Theater actor talaga ako.

40:54.0

Yung ba yung

40:56.0

course mo nung college?

40:58.0

Ay, hindi. Psychology.

41:00.0

So, ano ka naging theater actor?

41:04.0

Sa community namin,

41:06.0

sa Paranaque,

41:08.0

yung una kong mentor, si John Joe Tuazon.

41:10.0

Director siya ng theater.

41:12.0

Tapos,

41:14.0

pumunta lang ako dun dahil gusto ko

41:16.0

samahan yung pinsan ko.

41:18.0

Tapos, community,

41:20.0

sama lang.

41:22.0

Hanggang sa unti-unti,

41:24.0

nai-enjoy ko yung practices

41:26.0

nung play.

41:28.0

Kapag, hindi ko alam kung

41:30.0

I'm pretty sure sa halos lahat ng play

41:32.0

ganoon, kahaba ng practice.

41:34.0

Mas mababa siyempre yung practice ka dun sa play.

41:36.0

Tapos maraming araw.

41:38.0

Tapos, magiging

41:40.0

na-close mo na yung mga tao.

41:42.0

Kasi mag-build ka yun ng chemistry eh.

41:44.0

Tapos, sobrang na-enjoy ko

41:46.0

yung feeling ng pagpasok mo sa character.

41:48.0

Tapos,

41:50.0

Ilang taon ka dito?

41:52.0

Ilang taon ba?

41:54.0

High school? College?

41:56.0

Parang high school na yan.

41:58.0

High school? Tagal na na no.

42:00.0

Mga

42:02.0

2003?

42:04.0

Ganoon.

42:06.0

2001.

42:08.0

Ako mga ganoon.

42:10.0

Tagal na na.

42:12.0

Okay, okay.

42:14.0

Anyway, so yun.

42:16.0

Theater actor ako dati. Tapos,

42:20.0

yung mga bagay na yun,

42:22.0

yung mga techniques

42:24.0

na natutuhan ko at tinuro sa akin

42:26.0

yung mga panahon yun. Na-apply ko siya sa

42:28.0

pagiging spoken word artist

42:30.0

ko ngayon.

42:32.0

Mukhang malaking

42:34.0

tulong talaga

42:36.0

pag marunong kang

42:38.0

pag

42:40.0

trained ka sa

42:42.0

theater arts.

42:44.0

Halos sa ano eh.

42:46.0

Kasi basically, theater art yung

42:48.0

spoken word almost eh.

42:50.0

How would you

42:52.0

compare the two?

42:58.0

Maraming techniques

43:00.0

and elements na

43:02.0

magagamit mo definitely sa

43:04.0

spoken word na galing sa teatro.

43:06.0

Pero theater kasi

43:10.0

may production yung theater eh.

43:12.0

May costume,

43:14.0

may props,

43:16.0

merong

43:18.0

merong mga

43:20.0

actors.

43:22.0

So, honestly,

43:24.0

it's very comparable. Pero, I think

43:26.0

yung techniques yung

43:28.0

pinaka nagsa-standout. Kasi sa

43:30.0

spoken word, di mo naman kailangan ng props eh.

43:32.0

Di mo rin kailangan ng costume.

43:34.0

Di mo rin kailangan ng music.

43:36.0

Which is not to say, di mo

43:38.0

pwedeng gawin. It's just that

43:40.0

hindi mo siya kailangan.

43:42.0

Hindi necessary. Kasi ang

43:44.0

pinaka-anchor mo, supposedly,

43:46.0

ay poetics.

43:48.0

Ang

43:50.0

in-offer mo dun sa

43:52.0

audience mo, mainly,

43:54.0

ay yung poetics mo. Hindi

43:56.0

yung acting skills mo.

43:58.0

Or yung storytelling

44:00.0

skills mo, not even.

44:02.0

Yung poetics mo yung pinaka-

44:04.0

hinahain mo.

44:06.0

And then you bring the techniques of theater

44:08.0

and the other disciplines you've

44:10.0

learned into it.

44:12.0

So, how was

44:14.0

the scene

44:16.0

right now? Before and after

44:18.0

the pandemic.

44:20.0

And then, tell us

44:22.0

what happened and

44:24.0

how is it recovering?

44:26.0

Before and after the pandemic.

44:28.0

The scene was, I think, before

44:30.0

the pandemic, was

44:32.0

on a good upward

44:34.0

momentum. Oo nga eh, no?

44:36.0

Oo. Simula yun.

44:38.0

Yung simula yun na parang

44:40.0

lahat ng pupunta

44:42.0

sa shows, sila yung

44:44.0

nakalista dun sa open mic.

44:46.0

So, parang attendance.

44:48.0

Oo, attendance na yung open mic eh.

44:50.0

Hanggang sa

44:52.0

may audience na pala. Hanggang sa

44:54.0

uy, may bumibili ng tickets.

44:56.0

Tapos hanggang sa

44:58.0

may malalaking production na

45:00.0

spoken word. Ilang years

45:02.0

bago umabot yun? Yung from

45:04.0

kayo-kayo lang to nagkakaroon na nang

45:06.0

audience

45:08.0

na talagang audience lang

45:10.0

talaga. Actually, kung

45:12.0

isasama natin yung panahon nila

45:14.0

Sir Vim Nadera nila Lorde Vera,

45:16.0

ang tagal.

45:18.0

Pero hindi ako ganun... At least

45:20.0

sayo, dun sa experience mo. Sa akin, ilang

45:22.0

taon lang eh, mga three years. Three years.

45:24.0

Two years. Kasi parang

45:26.0

naging

45:28.0

trend yung spoken word eh.

45:30.0

Oo nga eh. Kasi iba naman

45:32.0

yung trending

45:34.0

effect ngayon eh. Parang dati

45:36.0

naman, at least ten years, ten to

45:38.0

twelve years ago, hindi naman

45:40.0

kabilis yung pagpapalit ng

45:42.0

trends. Diba? Na parang, oh,

45:44.0

nag-trend to.

45:46.0

And then suddenly, everybody's

45:48.0

talking about it. Tapos,

45:50.0

it's a thing now. People want to get

45:52.0

into it. Kasi ganun ka-accessible

45:54.0

yung mga bagay-bagay. Di siya ganun

45:56.0

dati. So, ganun. Tapos

45:58.0

nung pandemic, syempre,

46:00.0

napilok. Oo,

46:02.0

hindi ka mapagipin. Syempre, bawal.

46:04.0

Hanggang sa...

46:06.0

Ang hirap sa totoo

46:08.0

nung una, hindi ko rin lubos

46:10.0

magawang mag-perform

46:12.0

on camera.

46:14.0

Ang hirap, diba? Iba eh.

46:16.0

Oo eh. Iba. Iba.

46:18.0

Wala yung... Actually, meron

46:20.0

akong isang pyesa na isa sa

46:22.0

mga... Yung pyesa na yun,

46:24.0

lagi ko yung pinag-perform sa

46:26.0

stage. Pero never ko siyang

46:28.0

pinag-perform on camera. Kasi yung

46:30.0

pyesa na yun,

46:32.0

kailangan ng

46:34.0

involvement ng

46:36.0

mga tao eh. Wala silang

46:38.0

sinasabi. Hindi sila nag-interact.

46:40.0

Literally.

46:42.0

Sa pyesa. Pero yung

46:44.0

energy, kapag wala doon,

46:46.0

hindi nagiging...

46:48.0

Hindi nahihit nung pyesa yung dapat

46:50.0

niyang ihit. So, hindi ko siya pinag-perform ever.

46:52.0

So, may ganun effect. Hanggang

46:54.0

sa... Pinag-usapan namin

46:56.0

na parang nakakasanay na to.

46:58.0

Na...

47:00.0

May mga spoken word shows. May mga spoken word

47:02.0

events na online.

47:04.0

Which I guess, it's

47:06.0

still better than nothing.

47:08.0

But hindi mo alam how

47:10.0

if you'll be happy

47:12.0

na nakakasanay siya,

47:14.0

or hindi.

47:18.0

Kung saan hindi mo alam, parang

47:20.0

okay na lang.

47:22.0

I suppose, recorded spoken word

47:24.0

can also be an art form, di ba?

47:26.0

Pero...

47:28.0

Some of the pieces can

47:30.0

probably be... Can also work

47:32.0

while being recorded.

47:34.0

Pero,

47:36.0

there are some, ano talaga, na

47:38.0

hindi talaga

47:40.0

uubre. Di ba? Hindi talaga uubre.

47:42.0

Kailangan, nandun kayo.

47:44.0

Actually, pinag-usapan namin yun

47:46.0

sa National Writer's Workshop.

47:48.0

Iba na eh.

47:50.0

You're addressing the audience

47:52.0

via the camera.

47:54.0

So, hanggang hindi mo yun...

47:56.0

Hanggang hindi mo

47:58.0

yun kinoconsider, hindi mo mabubuo

48:00.0

yung...

48:02.0

yung...

48:04.0

Paano ba?

48:06.0

Hindi mo masasabing lahat ng factors

48:08.0

kinoconsider mo as a performer.

48:10.0

Kasi kasama na siya.

48:12.0

Di na kita yung

48:14.0

lower half ng katawan mo.

48:16.0

Pagka... Kailangan mong

48:18.0

maging malaki on stage.

48:20.0

Which is, ano, a theater

48:22.0

actor's

48:24.0

technique, di ba? Parang kailangan mong

48:26.0

maging malaki on stage.

48:28.0

Kailangan mong maging malaki

48:30.0

on camera.

48:32.0

Ngayon parang pwede.

48:34.0

Iba kasi yung...

48:36.0

Iba kasi yung...

48:38.0

Kahit nga minsan merong mga

48:40.0

actors, may mga movies na...

48:42.0

May actor na

48:44.0

nasa movie siya

48:46.0

pero he's acting as if

48:48.0

he's in a play.

48:50.0

In a theater.

48:52.0

Yung delivery ng line, di ba? Iba yung ano eh.

48:54.0

Minsan hindi mo

48:56.0

pinpoint kung anong mali. Pero parang

48:58.0

hindi siya natural. Pero minsan

49:00.0

naisip ko, he's treating it

49:02.0

like a play.

49:04.0

Mahirap kasing ano eh. Di kasi

49:06.0

ganun kadaling

49:08.0

palitan yung pagkasanay mo.

49:10.0

Kasi sa play,

49:12.0

hindi ka pwedeng bumulong eh.

49:14.0

Unless merong ka mic na

49:16.0

di ba?

49:18.0

Kumbaga medyo...

49:20.0

Kumbaga, di ko alam. I'm sure

49:22.0

may gumawa na nun. Di ba? Pero

49:24.0

hindi siya...

49:26.0

Yung delivery, hindi siya katulad

49:28.0

nito. Kailangan...

49:30.0

May tono eh, di ba?

49:32.0

May tono yung ano eh. At least...

49:34.0

I don't know, I don't know.

49:36.0

Maybe I'm talking bullshit over here.

49:38.0

Pero...

49:40.0

Nakausap ko si Nico Manalo about it.

49:42.0

Kasi as a...

49:44.0

As an actor na

49:46.0

in both film and

49:48.0

theater, sabi niya

49:50.0

minsan sa film,

49:52.0

di ba kang kagawin eh. I mean, kapag

49:54.0

kailangan mo mag-convey ng emotion,

49:56.0

mas konti.

49:58.0

Mas mahirap, pero

50:00.0

mas effective.

50:02.0

Sa stage kasi,

50:04.0

kapag hindi ka nag...

50:06.0

Iba-iba yung

50:08.0

vantage point ng mga tao eh.

50:10.0

At kailangan mo silang i-consider lahat.

50:12.0

Yung vantage point ng

50:14.0

camera, kung ilan lang yung angle,

50:16.0

yun lang yung kailangan mo i-consider.

50:18.0

Tapos usually directed pa yun. May camera dito ah.

50:20.0

Tapos may camera dito at gagalawin pa po na dito.

50:22.0

So,

50:24.0

hindi siya laging

50:26.0

okay kailangan kung mag-perform for the last person

50:28.0

for the last person in the

50:30.0

for the person in the back.

50:32.0

Hindi na eh. Nandyan na siya.

50:34.0

Nandyan yung camera eh. So, kung

50:36.0

mag-twitch yung lobby mo,

50:38.0

at yun yung point, kasi

50:40.0

gusto mo mag-convey na

50:42.0

kinakabahan ka, pwede mo yung gawin yun.

50:44.0

Pero hindi ka pwede mag-twitch ng lobby sa

50:46.0

stage. May level ng

50:48.0

exageration parate.

50:50.0

Kumbaga, kung

50:52.0

subtle smile ang kailangan mo dun sa

50:54.0

dun sa

50:56.0

sa play.

50:58.0

Sa camera, sa movies,

51:00.0

pwede mag-subtle smile ka lang.

51:02.0

Naka-close-up. Kuhan na yun eh.

51:04.0

Pero sa

51:06.0

teatro kasi, walang close-up.

51:08.0

Wala naman yung

51:10.0

ang corny naman kung mayroong camera

51:12.0

bigla na mayroong projector.

51:14.0

Di ba parang

51:16.0

bigla naman yun.

51:18.0

Parang di maganda dun ka nakatingin sa camera.

51:20.0

Di ba? Dapat dun ka

51:22.0

nakatingin sa entablado eh.

51:24.0

So, kailangan, hindi

51:26.0

pwedeng basta mag-subtle smile. Kailangan mo

51:28.0

siguro meron kang niyakap na

51:30.0

teddy bear.

51:32.0

Just to convey

51:34.0

the kilig para

51:36.0

exagerate mo ng konti.

51:38.0

Naka-rinig na rin ako ng mayroong projector.

51:40.0

Hindi ko alam how it works or kung

51:42.0

paano yun. Pero hindi ko pa siya

51:44.0

sa Araneta nag-play na.

51:46.0

Hindi ko pa

51:48.0

hindi ko sure kung paano yun.

51:50.0

Meron akong nakitang projector

51:52.0

sa dulaang UP.

51:54.0

Pero hindi siya yung kung ano

51:56.0

yung pinapalabas.

51:58.0

Prop siya. Oh prop siya.

52:00.0

So meron siyang, ang ganda nung

52:02.0

play na yun. Yung

52:04.0

Angry Christ ata.

52:06.0

Angry Christ yun. Tapos

52:08.0

ginawan niya ng

52:10.0

parang yung mga painting

52:12.0

basta hanggang lang.

52:14.0

Tapos minsan ginagawa niyang parang

52:16.0

comics e. Ang galing director

52:18.0

na yun kasi

52:20.0

ang description ko nga sa kanya

52:22.0

parang siyang comics na

52:24.0

naging

52:26.0

anak siya ng comics at ng entablado.

52:28.0

Ganun. Parang gumawa siya ng comics

52:30.0

sa loob ng entablado.

52:32.0

Kasi meron, ebawa ito yung

52:34.0

let's say ito yung stage

52:36.0

diba. Tapos yung projector

52:38.0

may spotlight na nandito lang.

52:40.0

So parang isang panel yun, diba.

52:42.0

Tapos biglang pupunta dito

52:44.0

isang panel, alam mo.

52:46.0

Ang galing. Tapos

52:48.0

basta, it's a very creative

52:50.0

execution

52:52.0

nung kwento.

52:54.0

Wow.

52:56.0

Kumbaga hindi ako madalas kasi

52:58.0

dahil lang kay Banawe kaya ako nakapanood yun.

53:00.0

Kasi minsan

53:02.0

inbitahan kami. Binibigay kaming ticket ni Banawe.

53:04.0

Hi Banawe.

53:06.0

So, yan.

53:08.0

Pero, grabe, grabe.

53:10.0

And as an artist kasi

53:12.0

kasi ako

53:14.0

siyempre ang pinakakomon

53:16.0

na media na kinukonsume natin

53:18.0

is TV, movies,

53:20.0

music, diba.

53:22.0

Yan. Internet

53:24.0

which is also video

53:26.0

movies na rin, diba. Although

53:28.0

ngayon, podcasts.

53:30.0

Pero yung

53:32.0

yung

53:34.0

entablado

53:36.0

kasi tsaka yung spoken word, very royan

53:38.0

e, diba. I agree.

53:40.0

I see.

53:42.0

It's more analogue than analogue.

53:44.0

Diba? Mas analogue

53:46.0

pa sa analogue. Oo. Iba yung

53:48.0

magic nung stage

53:50.0

e. Oo.

53:52.0

Yung nararamdaman

53:54.0

mo yung

53:56.0

ambag

53:58.0

ng audience sa performer.

54:00.0

Yung performer. Oo.

54:02.0

Iba yun.

54:04.0

Kahit yung ano.

54:06.0

Ang

54:08.0

napakaano.

54:10.0

Ang isang

54:12.0

pangarap kong mapanood talaga dati

54:14.0

na play was yung

54:16.0

Lion King. Ah, ganda rin.

54:18.0

Lion King. Kasi gusto kong makita lang

54:20.0

yung entrance nila nung paupadala

54:22.0

sa ano. Tapos

54:24.0

ah, diba. Ganda rin Lion King.

54:26.0

Tapos

54:28.0

yun nga lang. Nung napanood ko siya

54:30.0

dun sa YouTube

54:32.0

iba yung teatro e. Ang laki.

54:34.0

Basta, ang ganda nung

54:36.0

teatro. Tapos

54:38.0

nung nandun nas kami sa

54:40.0

nung nasa pinanood namin, pinalabas dito yun.

54:42.0

Diba? Oo.

54:44.0

Parang I made it a point na manunood kami ng

54:46.0

Lion King. Diba? Tagal kong iniintay

54:48.0

nito. 2004 pa ata

54:50.0

2006. Mga ganon.

54:52.0

Tapos

54:54.0

siyempre, nandun kami sa May Taas.

54:56.0

Masyadong mahal sa baba.

54:58.0

Iba na yung tingin ko pero at least

55:00.0

experience ko pa rin. Ang

55:02.0

saya. Ang saya. Iba talaga.

55:04.0

Ganda nung Lion. Very immersive

55:06.0

kasi yung theater experience e. Nandun ka

55:08.0

kasi. Kung anuman yung nangyayari

55:10.0

on stage, nandun ka rin.

55:12.0

You're part of the whole theater

55:14.0

experience. What are the

55:16.0

the place na

55:18.0

na anuman na

55:20.0

gusto mo talaga?

55:22.0

55:24.0

Well, ano ba?

55:26.0

Dami. Wicked. Lion

55:28.0

King.

55:30.0

Sa local.

55:32.0

Rock of Ages.

55:34.0

Ang ganda ng Rock of Ages. Recommended mo talaga.

55:36.0

Rock of Ages.

55:38.0

Yung huling El Bimbo na

55:40.0

sa YouTube ko lang napanood e.

55:42.0

Ang ganda rin ang huling El Bimbo.

55:44.0

Mula sa

55:46.0

buwan.

55:48.0

Maganda yung mula sa buwan.

55:50.0

Maganda nung experience

55:52.0

ng na binibigay ng mula sa buwan.

55:54.0

Talaga.

55:56.0

Siya siya sa turno, hindi ko nga napanood e.

55:58.0

Oh hindi ko pa rin napanood.

56:00.0

Napagalitan ako ni Carlo Vergara

56:02.0

kasi nagbe-guess din minsan

56:04.0

dito yan si Carlo Vergara e.

56:06.0

Ang

56:08.0

alam mo yung hindi ko lang na

56:10.0

nagustuhan ko yung

56:12.0

yung huling El Bimbo.

56:14.0

Pero yung half lang. Yung first half

56:16.0

kumbaga parang

56:18.0

sobrang ano e. Sobrang

56:20.0

wow, ang ganda nito. Tapos biglang

56:22.0

mayroong twist doon sa gitna.

56:24.0

Yung second half

56:26.0

okay pa rin pero ibang

56:28.0

kwento na e. Parang

56:30.0

ang siguro pinaka

56:32.0

ayaw ko lang doon is

56:34.0

walang redemption arc si ano e.

56:36.0

Diba? Parang naging kawawa lang

56:38.0

talaga siya. Diba?

56:40.0

Spoiler ah.

56:42.0

Parang dapat na

56:44.0

siya e. Parang iniwan lang talaga siya e.

56:46.0

Tapos walang

56:48.0

consequence doon sa ginawang

56:50.0

pangungupal sa kanyang tatlong ungas na yun.

56:52.0

Diba? Kung di sila napaama parang wala.

56:54.0

Tapos pag-aaralin ko nalang namin

56:56.0

yung ano e.

56:58.0

Enough na ba? Enough na ba

57:00.0

yun? Parang

57:02.0

nawala yung optimism

57:04.0

nung character.

57:06.0

Maybe that's what he wanted to

57:08.0

the writer wanted to do.

57:10.0

Diba? Pero parang

57:12.0

parang ang saya. Binild up kapag nasumayat

57:14.0

ako dun sa first draft.

57:18.0

Pero it's a overall it's a good

57:20.0

the fact na

57:22.0

minsan kasi parang the fact na

57:24.0

naalala ko yun which is

57:26.0

he did his part.

57:28.0

Diba? Kasi ang isang

57:30.0

nabasa ko na

57:32.0

goal mo is to

57:34.0

to evoke an emotion e.

57:36.0

Diba? Kung ano yung

57:38.0

kung ano yung

57:40.0

kung ano yung nangyari. Diba?

57:42.0

Parang maramdaman ka. Diba?

57:44.0

Dun may tatatak e.

57:46.0

Yes. In any

57:48.0

art form naman e. Parang

57:50.0

siguro poetry

57:52.0

nalang. Kasi poetry naman yung

57:54.0

alam ko talaga.

57:56.0

Poetry is not a recording of an experience.

57:58.0

It is an experience.

58:00.0

So kung yung

58:02.0

consumption ng poetry, it's not

58:04.0

also a recording of that experience.

58:06.0

It's an experience while it

58:08.0

is happening. So habang naririnig mo yung

58:10.0

habang kino-consume mo siya,

58:12.0

it is happening to you

58:14.0

in that moment.

58:16.0

So hindi pag inaalala mo siya, hindi mo

58:18.0

naaalala yung

58:20.0

yung set up. Siguro

58:22.0

minsan pwede mangyari. Pero ang naaalala mo kung anong

58:24.0

nangyari sa

58:26.0

iniisip mo nung panahon na yun.

58:28.0

Oo. Ah, ganung bagay.

58:30.0

Hmm.

58:32.0

Pero ngayon sa ano,

58:34.0

ngayon after

58:36.0

ngayon parang medyo

58:38.0

dumuluwag-luwag na tayo

58:40.0

sa pandemic, diba? Hmm.

58:42.0

So, how is

58:44.0

there a revival movement

58:46.0

going on in the

58:48.0

spoken word scene?

58:50.0

Ano bang tawag nyo? Scene or what?

58:52.0

Yo, scene na.

58:54.0

Hindi man industry. Parang hindi man industry.

58:56.0

Hindi, hindi. Oo, hindi.

58:58.0

Community pa nga. Community.

59:00.0

Community. Ayun. Mas

59:02.0

akumasiguri yung community.

59:04.0

Um...

59:06.0

Di ko alam.

59:08.0

Ang sigurong sagot ko dyan, sana.

59:10.0

Sana? Oo. Sana meron.

59:12.0

Kasi parang, I can only contribute.

59:14.0

Pero kapag marami akong

59:16.0

ginawa sa... na

59:18.0

contribution, it doesn't mean na may

59:20.0

merong movement, e. Diba? So parang

59:22.0

um...

59:24.0

Ang kaya ko sabihin,

59:26.0

meron na akong contributions towards

59:28.0

um... a revival

59:30.0

movement, I guess, if you say,

59:32.0

if you will. Parang

59:34.0

um... sinisimulan

59:36.0

na namin mag

59:38.0

plano na

59:40.0

baka pwede na tayo mag show ulit.

59:42.0

May mga ganong conversations na yun

59:44.0

na it doesn't, it wasn't

59:46.0

happening a year ago.

59:48.0

Or even like seven months ago.

59:50.0

Na... Hindi pa nagmamaterialize

59:52.0

yung mga puro plano pa lang.

59:54.0

Oo. Parang the

59:56.0

producer in me always, kunyari pupunta ako

59:58.0

coffee shop. Parang minsan

60:00.0

pupunta ka dun to meet your friends. Tapos

60:02.0

makikita mo

60:04.0

parang pwedeng stage tong area na to.

60:06.0

Parang pwede mag-produce dito.

60:08.0

Parang

60:10.0

baka gusto nila mag-sponsor ng show.

60:12.0

May mga ganon e. Pero nung

60:14.0

pandemic, yung ganun

60:16.0

kong impulse na

60:18.0

suppressed siya e. Parang punta ka ng

60:20.0

coffee shop, ang pinakaunang mong

60:22.0

naiisip,

60:24.0

nakalabas na ako. Parang

60:26.0

uy, coffee shop na tong totoo.

60:28.0

Parang ganon. Pero parang

60:30.0

lepas na rin yun.

60:32.0

Slowly by slowly, bumabalik

60:34.0

na sa point na

60:36.0

sino na kaya yung mga pwede nating

60:38.0

involve na mga tao.

60:40.0

Sponsors. Ano

60:42.0

na kaya yung mga pwede nating i-build na

60:44.0

show. Bumabalik

60:46.0

na yung ganong mode of

60:48.0

thinking ng mga tao.

60:50.0

At least in my circle.

60:52.0

Well, I suppose kasi a lot of

60:54.0

the spoken word artists are also

60:56.0

part-time

60:58.0

spoken word artist din talaga.

61:00.0

Parang they have day jobs.

61:02.0

I don't know kung merong full-time spoken word

61:04.0

artist na Philippines.

61:06.0

Before the pandemic, full-time

61:08.0

spoken word artist ako. Talaga?

61:10.0

Wow! Congratulations, man!

61:12.0

Sabagay, well, you are already

61:14.0

you have already

61:16.0

done your

61:18.0

rounds, paid your dues to

61:20.0

do that, di ba?

61:22.0

And

61:24.0

di naman siya naging

61:26.0

only

61:28.0

source of income.

61:30.0

It's my way of

61:32.0

committing to

61:34.0

as cheesy

61:36.0

as it sounds. It's my way of

61:38.0

committing to the dream. Nafeeling ko kapag

61:40.0

60 years old na ako, at least

61:42.0

masasabi ko sa sarili ko na at least

61:44.0

once in my life, I fully

61:46.0

committed to my craft.

61:48.0

So yun, 3 years

61:50.0

tas pandemic.

61:52.0

Pero okay din eh. Before that

61:54.0

it was being sustainable.

61:58.0

How many gigs do you get in a

62:00.0

week, in a month? Before the pandemic?

62:02.0

Mga

62:04.0

minimum 4.

62:06.0

4 in a week? Eh di,

62:08.0

in a month naman. So parang every weekend.

62:12.0

Syempre may mga

62:14.0

buwan na halos wala.

62:16.0

August usually. Ah, di naman August.

62:18.0

Mga last week of August.

62:20.0

Yung mga paulan na.

62:22.0

Taram naman na siguro ng mga producers

62:24.0

na huwag tayo magshow kapag tag-ulan. Kasi ang

62:26.0

hirap magbenda ng tickets.

62:28.0

Pero

62:30.0

on the other hand may mga buwan

62:32.0

kagaya ng February na

62:34.0

lahat ng venue

62:36.0

gustong magpatula.

62:38.0

Parang pag February

62:40.0

siguro mga umaabot

62:42.0

ng mga 12

62:44.0

shows in a month.

62:46.0

15 shows. Masabagay

62:48.0

no? O nga no? Kaya sa

62:50.0

February ito. O nga

62:52.0

no? Sa Christmas mukhang

62:54.0

hindi naman masyado.

62:56.0

February talaga.

62:58.0

February, February. Tsaka

63:00.0

ah, kaya na.

63:02.0

Sustainable na siya eh. Di

63:04.0

um, since it's a community

63:06.0

you find ways of

63:08.0

of like compensating the artists

63:10.0

that you work with, compensating yourselves.

63:12.0

Mga ganong

63:14.0

bagay.

63:16.0

Tapos

63:18.0

it's

63:20.0

the sustainability comes with

63:22.0

knowing how to produce your own stuff.

63:24.0

Producer kayo eh. Parang

63:26.0

um, kung wala kang

63:28.0

show. Kunyari diba sabi ko minimum 4.

63:30.0

Kapag hindi umaabot ng 4 yung shows ko

63:32.0

noong time na yun ah. Kung hindi umaabot ng

63:34.0

4 yung shows ko in that month

63:36.0

magkoproduce ako ng isa.

63:38.0

Para umaabot sa 4. Um

63:40.0

yung ability mo to produce

63:42.0

and make sure everybody benefits

63:44.0

from the show. And without

63:46.0

um, compromising

63:48.0

the art that you put into

63:50.0

it. Kasi parang art

63:52.0

um, production pa rin siya

63:54.0

before anything else. Before like

63:56.0

the logistics and the

63:58.0

everything else. The sustainability of things.

64:00.0

Art production pa rin siya.

64:02.0

So basically parang

64:04.0

aside from doing,

64:06.0

performing, parang

64:08.0

you learned how to produce

64:10.0

the show itself, diba?

64:12.0

Tama naman, diba? Kasi

64:14.0

yun yung ano eh, yun yung

64:16.0

crucial na

64:18.0

kailangan mong matutunan

64:20.0

in anything na parang kung carpentero

64:22.0

ka, marunong kong gumawa

64:24.0

ng lemesa. Wala namang nag-hire sa'yo.

64:26.0

Diba parang ano rin talaga?

64:28.0

Or kapag kailangan marunong ka rin

64:30.0

makahanap ng mga

64:32.0

gigs at saka.

64:34.0

Kasi essential yun eh. Diba?

64:36.0

Yes. Oo. Oo.

64:38.0

Oo. Ganun eh.

64:40.0

So how did you, how did you

64:42.0

start

64:44.0

na parang, alam mo, first

64:46.0

to build confidence? When did

64:48.0

you know that you are ready?

64:50.0

Nakaya ko na mag-quit sa job ko. Ganun.

64:52.0

O, diba? Parang, kasi yun yung ano eh

64:54.0

parang, okay, parang

64:56.0

yun yung, yun yung

64:58.0

pinakang leap of fate eh.

65:00.0

Diba? Yeah. Diba? Yun ang,

65:02.0

actually yun ang pinaka,

65:04.0

I think every successful

65:06.0

artist have experienced

65:08.0

that na parang, whether it's

65:10.0

earlier in life or later on.

65:12.0

Diba? Parang, at one point

65:14.0

in time, you're gonna have to decide

65:16.0

that this is it. I'm gonna go all

65:18.0

in. Diba? O there's no backing

65:20.0

down. Diba? Parang,

65:22.0

tatalo na ako. Ganun. And then,

65:24.0

bahala na. Diba?

65:26.0

And a lot of artists, even great ones,

65:28.0

fail to do

65:30.0

that. Yes. I think

65:32.0

it's all about managing the

65:34.0

bahala na aspect of things.

65:36.0

Paano? What do you mean?

65:38.0

I mean, if you go or

65:40.0

if you, parang ano ba,

65:44.0

going into a project

65:46.0

is always gonna be risky.

65:48.0

Yes.

65:50.0

But you get to manage the risk

65:52.0

by knowing

65:54.0

things. Not

65:56.0

knowing things is the actual risky thing.

65:58.0

Parang, so,

66:00.0

nung sinabi kong

66:02.0

manage the bahala na aspect of things,

66:04.0

have a plan.

66:06.0

Have a plan of attack.

66:08.0

Parang,

66:10.0

yung iba kasi,

66:14.0

feeling ko, naramdaman ko din,

66:16.0

na napagod lang

66:18.0

sila sa trabaho, pero artist

66:20.0

sila.

66:22.0

At game,

66:24.0

ito na lang yung gagawin ko.

66:26.0

Hindi, you're,

66:28.0

para sa akin,

66:30.0

if you set yourself up with a plan,

66:32.0

with

66:34.0

thinking about what you need,

66:36.0

kasi hindi naman titigil yung expenses mo.

66:38.0

Oo.

66:40.0

Hindi titigil yun.

66:44.0

Just managing

66:46.0

the risk.

66:48.0

Minimizing the

66:50.0

tendency to crash and burn.

66:54.0

Ayusin mo muna yung,

66:56.0

naka, you make sure

66:58.0

na presentable yung

67:00.0

venue mo.

67:02.0

The right audience,

67:04.0

the right crowd.

67:06.0

At saka, makikita mo, may following ka na.

67:08.0

Meron kang aasahan.

67:12.0

If it fails,

67:14.0

how did you

67:16.0

manage

67:18.0

the potential of

67:20.0

failure?

67:22.0

By failing a lot.

67:26.0

I never go in

67:28.0

expecting the worst.

67:32.0

Hindi ko naging,

67:34.0

alam ko gumagana siya sa ibang tao,

67:36.0

pero sa akin kasi hindi siya gumagana na

67:38.0

I'll go in expecting the worst.

67:40.0

I'll prevent the worst.

67:42.0

Yun yung approach ko

67:44.0

sa mga events.

67:46.0

So,

67:48.0

hindi, kasi pwede

67:50.0

puro art ka lang eh.

67:52.0

Kailangan naaral mo yung feasibility of things.

67:54.0

Meron akong

67:56.0

post na show, feasible ba siya?

67:58.0

Gusto ko siyang gawin, kaya ko ba siyang gawin?

68:00.0

Ano yung

68:02.0

prerequisites of the fun thing

68:04.0

that is about to happen?

68:10.0

For as long as you know, you're smart about it

68:12.0

in the sense na

68:16.0

kapag meron kang idea,

68:18.0

hindi naman siya magiging idea to conception

68:20.0

without resource,

68:22.0

without time,

68:24.0

without a lot of

68:26.0

minsan may manpower pa.

68:30.0

So parang,

68:32.0

kung pinlano mo lahat yun,

68:38.0

kaya mo nang

68:40.0

bawas-bawasan yung tendency mo to fail.

68:42.0

Nung sinabi ko naman, by failing a lot,

68:44.0

it doesn't necessarily mean

68:46.0

you have to

68:48.0

crash and burn.

68:50.0

You fail in small

68:52.0

hits na parang

68:54.0

in every event naman, I'm sure

68:56.0

lagi mo naririnig, in every event,

68:58.0

no event is perfect, diba?

69:00.0

And yung mga failures na yun,

69:02.0

you just, you know,

69:04.0

keep it in and

69:06.0

learn from what happened there

69:08.0

and

69:10.0

just be involved, just being

69:12.0

immersed in the

69:14.0

production side of things, how art

69:16.0

production goes. Tapos,

69:18.0

if that certain aspect fails,

69:20.0

i-process mo siya.

69:22.0

Even if it

69:24.0

doesn't happen to you. So kunyari, umatan ka

69:26.0

ng show, sumabog yung ilaw.

69:28.0

Parang,

69:30.0

as an audience, you're also

69:32.0

an art producer.

69:34.0

So isipin mo na, bakit sumabog yung ilaw?

69:36.0

Anong nangyaring,

69:38.0

is it part of the show? Maybe it's part of the show.

69:40.0

Pero,

69:44.0

kung ako yun, kung ako yung

69:46.0

nandun sa show na yun at sumabog yung ilaw,

69:48.0

at kaya kong tanungin, kaya kong

69:50.0

alamin kung bakit sumabog yung ilaw. Alamin ko.

69:52.0

Or kunyari, bakit

69:54.0

nasira yung

69:56.0

mic?

69:58.0

Yung mga

70:00.0

failures na yun, it doesn't

70:02.0

necessarily have to happen to you.

70:04.0

But you can learn from it.

70:06.0

So, yun eh.

70:08.0

It's not a sexy answer

70:10.0

na parang there's, you know,

70:12.0

a magic trick to being

70:14.0

sustainable.

70:16.0

Basically, trial and error

70:18.0

and learning from

70:20.0

whatever comes.

70:22.0

Whatever perceivable

70:24.0

failure, learn from it. Regardless

70:26.0

if it happens to you or other people.

70:28.0

And also,

70:30.0

yung nabanggit mo kanina

70:32.0

yung fear,

70:34.0

essentially parang fear of failure.

70:36.0

Yun yung

70:38.0

nakaka-petrify sa'yo

70:40.0

na parang hindi ka makagalaw.

70:42.0

Diba?

70:44.0

Ang, kasi we always

70:46.0

think of the worst, yung sinabi mo kanina,

70:48.0

you just think of the worst.

70:50.0

Pero, most of the time

70:52.0

naman, if you really think about it,

70:54.0

diba? Yung mga worst

70:56.0

things na pwede mangyari na

70:58.0

iniisip mo,

71:00.0

hindi naman nangyayari talaga eh.

71:02.0

Diba? Parang,

71:04.0

let's say, siguro worst case

71:06.0

scenario, biglang

71:08.0

umulan at makidlatan yung

71:10.0

makidlatan ka sa ginawa ng gig.

71:12.0

Diba? Diba? Ikaw yung producer.

71:14.0

Diba? Which is, di naman nangyayari.

71:16.0

Diba? Ano bang probability na mangyayari

71:18.0

yun? So,

71:20.0

ang isang sinabi nung ano eh,

71:22.0

I always remember this,

71:24.0

to prevent yourself from

71:26.0

from

71:30.0

to protect yourself from fear of failure,

71:32.0

parang, you,

71:34.0

ano ba sinabi niya?

71:36.0

Nag, kubaga parang,

71:38.0

tanggapin mo na pwede

71:40.0

mangyayari yun, and pag nangyayari

71:42.0

sya, pag nangyayari sya,

71:44.0

kunyari, pumutok yung ilaw. Diba?

71:46.0

Parang,

71:48.0

be okay with it.

71:50.0

Okay, pumutok yung ilaw.

71:52.0

Diba? Okay, that's fine.

71:54.0

Hindi naman ako ginulupin ng mga,

71:56.0

hindi naman nag-stampede. Diba? Mga ganyan.

71:58.0

Kubaga parang,

72:00.0

kubaga be okay with

72:02.0

kung ano yung kinakatakutan mo.

72:04.0

Let's say, ano nga,

72:06.0

nakidlatan yung ano,

72:08.0

nakidlatan ka. Okay lang sakin

72:10.0

nakidlatan, parang gano'n. Okay,

72:12.0

a more feasible na

72:14.0

senaryo. Let's say, nag-back out

72:16.0

yung talents mo.

72:18.0

Diba? Pwede nangyayari. Biglang

72:20.0

naging prima donna o whatever.

72:22.0

O kaya may emergency.

72:24.0

So, you can be

72:26.0

ready for it.

72:28.0

Kubaga, ready ka na

72:30.0

emotionally, parang gano'n.

72:32.0

Tapos ngayon, pag nangyayari,

72:34.0

okay lang. Parang

72:36.0

mas mahina na yung dating.

72:38.0

And also,

72:40.0

work

72:42.0

your ass, parang hindi nga mangyayari

72:44.0

yun. So, kung posibleng

72:46.0

pumutok ang ilaw, i-double check mo

72:48.0

prior, mga gano'n.

72:50.0

I get you. I get what you're saying.

72:52.0

Ang akin dun,

72:54.0

siguro ito natutuhan ko rin

72:56.0

kay Sir John Joe nga

72:58.0

sa teatro to begin with, na

73:00.0

kapag may nangyayari,

73:02.0

you react to it

73:04.0

pushing the story forward.

73:06.0

So, kunyari, hindi dapat siya madadapa

73:08.0

sa eksena na ito, pero nadapa na siya eh.

73:10.0

So,

73:12.0

anong gagawin natin? Di natin pwede sabihin

73:14.0

cut, ulit yung eksena. Walang gano'n sa teatro eh.

73:16.0

So, you

73:18.0

assess, and you see how you

73:20.0

react to it, and then you push the story

73:22.0

forward. And I feel like, gano'n din ko rin

73:24.0

in-approach yung event production.

73:26.0

And I've always loved collaborating with

73:28.0

other people din naman eh. Na parang,

73:30.0

okay, this happened.

73:32.0

What can we do?

73:34.0

Paano natin, ano yung

73:36.0

sa tingin mong approach? Or this is what I think we

73:38.0

could do. What do you think?

73:40.0

Ako,

73:42.0

I never find comfort

73:44.0

in expecting the worst.

73:46.0

I find comfort in knowing

73:48.0

that whatever happens,

73:50.0

merong pwedeng gawin.

73:52.0

And, yung

73:54.0

comfort na yun is

73:56.0

knowing that I know how

73:58.0

to collaborate with other people. And I

74:00.0

enjoy in it na

74:02.0

I can trust that

74:04.0

the people who I'm

74:06.0

working with will be

74:08.0

involved enough

74:10.0

in putting out a fire if a fire

74:12.0

happens. If it doesn't happen,

74:14.0

let's go.

74:16.0

Ang laking bagay kasi,

74:18.0

if you can avoid thinking about potential fires,

74:20.0

just focus on

74:22.0

building the show instead of

74:24.0

preventing

74:26.0

potential fires, which is also important. But that's

74:28.0

beside the point at best.

74:30.0

Well,

74:32.0

isa pa siguro,

74:34.0

what you're saying is competency.

74:36.0

Build

74:38.0

competency na parang

74:40.0

your ability

74:42.0

to improvise

74:44.0

and adapt

74:46.0

sa mga mangyayari.

74:48.0

Essential yun sa mga

74:50.0

if you want to go.

74:52.0

Siguro yun,

74:54.0

isang kailangan mo na

74:56.0

when you are

74:58.0

about to take that leap of faith

75:00.0

nga. It's important that

75:02.0

you are

75:04.0

confident enough in your

75:06.0

abilities to catch yourself

75:08.0

if nobody else will catch you.

75:10.0

Yes.

75:12.0

Yes and no.

75:14.0

Ang approach ko sa'n ay,

75:16.0

sobrang nag-agree ako dun na

75:18.0

if you're confident enough.

75:20.0

Kasi,

75:22.0

kapag in-eliminate

75:24.0

mo yung risk,

75:26.0

hindi ka magsastart eh.

75:28.0

Hindi ka magsastart na

75:30.0

mag

75:32.0

jump into it. Kasi,

75:34.0

the reality of things is that there will

75:36.0

always be risk. And hanggat

75:38.0

hindi mo

75:40.0

tinatanggap na there will always be risk,

75:42.0

you will not jump into it.

75:44.0

Parang hanggat risky pa to,

75:46.0

hindi ko to gagawin.

75:48.0

Pero para sa akin,

75:50.0

ang risky lang naman kapag

75:52.0

you're jumping into something you don't know.

75:54.0

75:56.0

walang alam talaga. Zero.

75:58.0

Kung hindi mo alam kung ano yung gagawin mo,

76:00.0

kung saan ka lulugar, kung

76:04.0

do yung sustainability

76:06.0

of things.

76:08.0

Yan lang naman eh.

76:10.0

At siya kung gusto mo talaga siya,

76:12.0

hindi

76:14.0

hindi siya passing fancy.

76:16.0

Kailangan,

76:18.0

parang you can

76:20.0

make it a part of your life somehow.

76:22.0

Yes, yes.

76:24.0

Kasi iba, like

76:26.0

in our cases,

76:28.0

sa spoken word, sa poetry,

76:30.0

it's a lifestyle

76:32.0

for you. Parang it's a

76:34.0

kumbaga,

76:36.0

parang rock and roll yan para sa iyo.

76:38.0

Sa hip-hop, hip-hop yan.

76:40.0

Sa akin naman, yung

76:42.0

illustration,

76:44.0

parang I spent

76:46.0

spent

76:48.0

a godly amount of hours

76:50.0

studying,

76:52.0

even while working.

76:54.0

The best way to study is to actually

76:56.0

do the task.

76:58.0

To study poetry

77:00.0

is to actually write poems.

77:02.0

Yes, yes. Pagka natanggap mo na

77:04.0

that this is something that will be all

77:06.0

over your life,

77:10.0

enough na yun eh.

77:12.0

Kasi yung appropriate

77:14.0

fear and obsession sa isang bagay,

77:18.0

it's enough to make you

77:20.0

do things

77:22.0

that are crazy enough or

77:24.0

that are ambitious enough

77:26.0

to plan,

77:28.0

to execute.

77:30.0

Alam mo yung isang

77:32.0

advice na

77:34.0

naalala ko lang no, yung na

77:36.0

narinig ko, watching

77:38.0

a lot of things.

77:40.0

Kasi

77:42.0

a lot of people don't have that.

77:44.0

Even kumbaga tumandaan at lahat,

77:46.0

they don't have that

77:48.0

one thing na parang this is what

77:50.0

I'm made for.

77:52.0

I was born to do this shit.

77:54.0

Unfortunately,

77:56.0

may madaming gano'n eh, madaming

77:58.0

lost, di alam kung saan pupunta.

78:00.0

Pero isang ano daw,

78:02.0

to trace it back, is to

78:04.0

think about

78:06.0

what it is,

78:08.0

what were your

78:10.0

passion

78:12.0

when you were a 12-year-old?

78:16.0

What consumed your life?

78:18.0

If you are, let's say,

78:22.0

I don't know,

78:24.0

kung kumakanta ka, maybe gusto mo

78:26.0

maging singer. O kaya you want to work

78:28.0

in the recording business.

78:30.0

Or you want to

78:32.0

work in

78:34.0

events production.

78:36.0

That could be the passion.

78:38.0

Or if you

78:40.0

like reading comics,

78:42.0

maybe you can

78:44.0

be a writer, an artist,

78:46.0

or somewhere in the production

78:48.0

line of, meron kang comic

78:50.0

bookstore.

78:54.0

That's one way to trace

78:56.0

your passion.

78:58.0

Ako,

79:00.0

I get that perspective and I agree.

79:02.0

Ang aki naman dyan,

79:04.0

if you want to trace your passion,

79:06.0

huwag mong isipin

79:08.0

na if you want to be passionate

79:10.0

about something, you have to be

79:12.0

a producer

79:14.0

of the thing that you are passionate

79:16.0

about. Parang kunyari,

79:18.0

you're passionate about movies.

79:20.0

You don't have to be

79:22.0

a filmmaker.

79:24.0

You can be an

79:26.0

avid movie

79:28.0

watcher. O, movie critic!

79:32.0

Tapos,

79:34.0

I think

79:36.0

for me,

79:38.0

if you want to discover what your

79:40.0

passion is,

79:42.0

try to trace

79:44.0

what you're thinking about when you're not

79:46.0

thinking.

79:48.0

What you think about constantly.

79:50.0

Kunyari, yung sinasabi ko

79:52.0

kanina pag bumabasa ako ng coffee shops,

79:54.0

naisip ko okay na venue to.

79:58.0

Yung automatic

80:00.0

and unconscious obsession mo,

80:02.0

I think that's what you're passionate about.

80:04.0

Na hindi siya nakapagod

80:06.0

gawin. Parang,

80:08.0

ang dami kong projects,

80:10.0

minsan pinag-uusapan namin

80:12.0

ni Simone, lagi sinasabi sa'kin ni Simone,

80:14.0

parang isang million na yung projects mo,

80:16.0

okay ka lang ba?

80:20.0

Kapag ka kasi

80:22.0

art project siya,

80:24.0

hindi siya nakapagod for me.

80:26.0

Na sa totoo lang,

80:28.0

kapag mas pagod ako, mas gusto ko

80:30.0

mas marami yung projects ko kasi

80:32.0

doon ako nakakapagpahinga.

80:34.0

Alam ko, you know,

80:36.0

sometimes the logistics are nakakapagod talaga

80:38.0

pero

80:40.0

if I remind myself na

80:42.0

kaya ako nag-aayos ng logistics

80:44.0

kasi execution siya nung

80:46.0

art event na ginagawa ko or art project

80:48.0

na ginagawa ko, naalala ko na

80:50.0

yun pala yung

80:52.0

na hindi pala siya nakakapagod talaga.

80:54.0

Nakanakapagpahinga pala ako by doing it.

80:56.0

Totoo talaga yung ano e,

80:58.0

parang if you

81:00.0

found your passion,

81:02.0

it's a cliche, parang

81:04.0

you will never work a single day

81:06.0

in your life.

81:08.0

It's a, kasi

81:10.0

seems like

81:12.0

parehas tayong gano'n, parang

81:14.0

ito parang itong podcasting,

81:16.0

although I have several passions,

81:18.0

I'm sure you are too,

81:20.0

parang

81:22.0

this doesn't

81:24.0

doesn't feel like work

81:26.0

at all.

81:28.0

Pero siguro kung hindi mo mag-ahatak

81:30.0

ako dyan o kung sino, parang ano gagawin ko?

81:32.0

Trabaho yan e.

81:34.0

Kasi, o kaya

81:36.0

yung pagdodrawing, I could spend

81:38.0

I could stay home

81:40.0

kaya walang problema sa akin maggano e.

81:42.0

Yung lockdowns,

81:44.0

nasa bahay lang ako, sige.

81:46.0

Dodrawing ako, diba? Pagpodcast, podcast.

81:48.0

Diba? I could do

81:50.0

pagbinsan-binsan

81:52.0

lalabas ng konti, pero

81:54.0

hindi ako

81:56.0

I can survive doing this

81:58.0

and I suppose

82:00.0

ano ko na yan,

82:02.0

parang blessing ko sa buhay, diba?

82:04.0

Pero hindi ko magagawa yan

82:06.0

if I didn't find it, diba?

82:08.0

And I think it's tragic

82:10.0

that a lot of people

82:12.0

are

82:14.0

stuck, diba? Na hindi, you know

82:16.0

and sometimes may mga

82:18.0

makakausap ka and

82:20.0

mga gano'n

82:22.0

tapos sometimes parang obvious sa'yo

82:24.0

yung passion niya, tapos

82:26.0

ayaw niya lang gawin, takot siya, diba?

82:28.0

Yun yung mga nakakalungkot, e.

82:30.0

Yeah, I agree. And feeling ko kasi

82:32.0

there's a lot of pressure

82:34.0

in our current age

82:36.0

na kapag passionate ka about it

82:38.0

you have to earn from it.

82:40.0

Uhm. Oo nga, no?

82:42.0

Parang hindi naman gano'n yung

82:44.0

I don't think that's the case for everyone.

82:46.0

Kunyari, pa'no kung passionate ka maging madre?

82:48.0

Oo nga, no.

82:50.0

Hindi ka naman pwedeng yumaman maging madre, diba?

82:52.0

Anong, gusto ko sustainable madre ako

82:54.0

pwede ba yun? Hindi naman, diba?

82:56.0

Uhm.

82:58.0

Ako,

83:00.0

dito alam ng lahat ng friends ko

83:02.0

pero ano ko, paint contractor ako.

83:04.0

I'm not passionate about painting walls.

83:06.0

Oo. But

83:08.0

it provides

83:10.0

money. And I don't have to be

83:12.0

passionate about it. I could be passionate about spoken word.

83:14.0

Uhm. And

83:16.0

kapag pinapunta ako sa isang

83:18.0

art event, hindi ko naman ikayayaman

83:20.0

pero gusto ko yun.

83:22.0

I could be

83:24.0

compensated in other ways.

83:26.0

Nang hindi pera. Or

83:28.0

I could engage in

83:30.0

projects that na feeling ko hindi ko

83:32.0

mababayaran yung sarili ko pero gusto ko siyang gawin.

83:34.0

Ikayayaman ko na rin yun

83:36.0

in a different sense.

83:38.0

So parang gano'n eh, kunyari

83:40.0

gusto mong maging sculptor,

83:42.0

you're really passionate about it.

83:44.0

Tapos, edi,

83:46.0

be a sculptor. Don't have to

83:48.0

earn from being a sculptor if you don't want to.

83:50.0

Yan kasi yung

83:52.0

the earning part comes after

83:54.0

eh, di ba?

83:56.0

Meron ako mga kilala, ano eh, mga

83:58.0

nag art class,

84:00.0

nag art class,

84:02.0

tapos ba, after a while,

84:04.0

pinupost nila yung ano, yung mga

84:06.0

mga gawa nila sa Facebook.

84:08.0

Tapos hindi nila alam, biglang,

84:10.0

hey, pagawa ako ng ganyan.

84:12.0

Yung wife nung friend ko

84:14.0

sa Singapore,

84:16.0

ano siya,

84:18.0

ang ginawa niya,

84:20.0

nagko-customize siya ng mga bag.

84:22.0

Yung mga handbag,