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Ladies and gentlemen,
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live at Paco's place, first time,
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actually first podcast,
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Thank you, thank you.
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Why does that last name sound so familiar?
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How come we didn't go by Jason Palomar Fresnedi?
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I think it's a formality thing.
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I feel like Jason Fresnedi just being the tunic
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because legally, as all Filipinos do,
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you know, you have many, many names
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and it's based off, you know,
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the Catholicism and the tradition.
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How many names do you have?
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It's Jason Rose Palomar Fresnedi
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where Palomar is my mother's maiden name.
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And so to go by that is a bit of a mouthful.
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And so I just stick the ends.
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It becomes Jason Fresnedi.
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Your mom's not saying anything about that.
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You know, your mom and dad are competitive, right?
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As long as it shows up on the college diploma,
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on the high school diploma,
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By the way, for those of you who don't know,
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we had our special guests,
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Mr. Georgia Fresnedi
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and Ms. Rodora Palomar Fresnedi.
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You are the first son, the second son,
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Very important distinction.
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I'm the only son.
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Only son and you have sisters?
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So two older sisters.
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I'm a good bit away from them as well.
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They're eight and six years older than I am.
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So I'm the youngest child and the only son.
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Youngest child, only son.
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Pretty much 10 years,
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you're considered only son,
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So did it feel that way growing up?
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Like an only child?
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Only so much as practical things.
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By the time I was 10 years old,
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my oldest sister left to college.
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And then at 13, we moved
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and my second sister finished high school,
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And so practically, I was an only child
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in that I lived at home and I was alone.
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But it's not like my sisters weren't present.
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They still called us.
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They still visited every time they could.
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And so I saw them
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and they were a good part of my life growing up.
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But it was fun being alone in the house
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with my parents for the years that I was in high school,
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late middle school.
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Now here, your demeanor,
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the way you talk,
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you're articulate.
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I wanted to find out.
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So your sister left when you were 10 for college
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and practically when you're 13 or 14,
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your other sister left for college,
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leaving you alone with mom and dad.
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When your eldest sister left,
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oh, oh, this is how it's gonna be.
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You had a four-year preparation to be only child
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and to take advantage of the fact that,
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oh, it's just me, mom, and dad.
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What was going through your head?
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Honestly, you don't register those things
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when you're younger.
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It's more so you see your older sister leave
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and you're a bit excited
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because then you get to start using her things.
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You start to get the PlayStation to yourself.
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You start to look at her room
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maybe I can use this room for things.
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And if you're my mom,
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it's like, oh, maybe I can put my shoes in this room.
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But you don't register those things
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until much, much later when it hits you
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that she was the person
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that took me out to go get food
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and she was the person
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that would walk me to bus stops
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and bring me home candy if she was out.
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And so I did begin to miss her
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in the years where I was prepping
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to be quote-unquote an only child.
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But it wasn't until my second sister had left
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and that I was really alone
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that I realized that
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having siblings in the house
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made it a much louder, livelier place.
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You know what you just said is so,
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that's like a hindsight moment, right?
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Because we tend to take our siblings for granted.
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Until you're the only one eating cereal
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or when you go home from school,
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no one's bugging you and it's quiet.
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And you discovered something on the internet
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and you wanna go,
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hey, look, take a look at this.
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Like it's just me
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and the sad music in the background, right?
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Those are the things that people,
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that kids tend to forget.
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And when you realized this,
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did it make you want
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to reach out to your siblings more
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or nah, just deal with it?
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I feel like because our age gaps
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were so far apart,
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the emotional range of reaching out
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with a sort of intent and with a genuine
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outlook and anticipation of seeing them
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didn't come until I was already doing it myself
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and I was leaving for college
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and it was like I missed you guys
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when I was 12, 13, 14
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and now I'm 18 and it doesn't matter.
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Because at the time it's more like
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they get to do their own thing,
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I get to do my own thing
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and you grow up as your own people.
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But with that age gap
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for my family being so big,
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we really became separate for a few years
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where I'm coming into my own as a teenager
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and those two have gone off to college
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and it was when I was 18
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going to college on my own
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where we really became friends as siblings
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because we were all technically adults.
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And I feel like that's similar
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with a lot of people
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who have older and younger siblings
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where you finally meet in the middle
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maturity-wise in the life stage.
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Now, did you guys ever practice the ate-ate?
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You know, the Filipino culture.
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This is ate, this is ate.
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And you're the youngest
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so you don't have any say kinda.
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Yeah, we did actually.
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Our family, my two older sisters
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are both very smart.
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They're very good at what they do
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and they're very competitive.
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And so my oldest sister was at the Jessie
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and my second sister's at the Julian.
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But after a certain period
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only at the Jessie got called ate.
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And it was because she would look at Julian
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and look at him and be like,
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And it's because she was ate to Julian
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and she was ate to me.
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So to both of us, she's ate
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but Julian was only ate to me.
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And so you get this moment
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well, she's the biggest one.
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Because she's eight years older
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and she's two years older than my other sister
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she was always the biggest one
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when we were growing up.
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And she was imposing and she was scary.
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And so if she told me,
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I'm ate, she's not ate.
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I guess she's just Julian.
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To this day, we still use the honorific.
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and we both call her ate.
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And we just acknowledge that
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even if we do call her Julian,
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it's not a sign of disrespect
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but it's more in the way
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that Filipino nicknames work.
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It's just a reflection of your family's dynamic.
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It's a funny story that you tell
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because of the fact that
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your family was weird and quirky
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growing up, that's all.
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Now when you guys talk,
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did you find out that
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when you became an adult,
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you suddenly had a voice
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around the family table?
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Like the dinner table?
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No, no, no, it's like this.
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And everybody just stops
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and listen to your opinion or
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I feel like I grew up
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in a very atypical household that way.
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Our relationship with our parents
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has always shocked people
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when we tell them.
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And it's because our parents
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have never really treated us like children
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or like we were their children,
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It's not like they had
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no expectations of us, right?
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Expectations exist in the form
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you have to do well in school,
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you have to try what it is
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you aspire to be.
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But more in the sense that
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they never babied us intellectually.
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dinner table conversations,
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if the conversation was,
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I remember when the recession hit,
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I was, because this is 2007, 2008,
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what year was I born?
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I'm barely eight, nine years old.
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I'm barely eight, nine years old
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and having to ask them,
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what's the recession?
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And them not shying away from it.
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It's like they explained it.
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They explained what banks were doing,
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how that came down.
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And being able to chip in
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in whatever way a child can
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in the sense that
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you ask questions like,
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And obviously that framework grows.
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But you ask questions like that
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and they were never afraid
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and the knowledge
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the way it was meant to be used
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in the quote unquote adult world.
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And so when dinner table conversations happen,
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everyone kind of has an equal say
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in what that matter is intellectually
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and then obviously it gets trumped experientially
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by whatever our parents have lived through.
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You know that's nice, no?
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It gets trumped experientially.
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So experience really,
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well experience and intellect
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supersedes pure intellect.
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I think the one interesting thing
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about growing up young
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and with access to so much information.
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Don't we all grow up young?
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That's a good point.
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That's a really good point.
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I was born at a very young age too, you know.
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Okay, go, go, go.
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I think growing up
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in the age of the internet,
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in the digital age
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and growing up with access
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to so much information
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means that young people now
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tend to come out of their formative years,
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whether that's like 13, 14, 15, 16,
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and in a good way.
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It's like these kids are reading material
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and substantiating all their facts,
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all their arguments with facts.
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Yeah, on the internet.
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Stuff that's available to them,
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stuff that is backed by people
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who have done a lifetime of research.
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You know how much work I had to do
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and how much rewriting I had to do
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when my kids were growing up
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with the internet?
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Before it was easy for my parents to say,
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because this is what's gonna happen
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And all we had to do was believe it, right?
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I tried that on my kids.
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They're looking at me,
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you know we're gonna fact check you, Dad, right?
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my parents and I have butt heads
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a little bit over the years over this
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because it's like-
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I wanna hear that.
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Specific examples?
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I mean, it could be something as simple as,
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you know, my dad and I both
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watch basketball together.
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I hope you guys are on the same team, no?
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right now Lakers fans.
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Oh, so I'm so sorry for your loss.
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Yeah, they're not in a good spot right now, are they?
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As of this taping, yeah.
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So you're a sports fan, you and your dad.
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Yeah, it's as simple as, you know,
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you're having classic basketball discussions
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of players in different eras,
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their impact on the game and what they do.
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And it's as simple as
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looking up, you know,
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how many points did he have in this final series?
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And you look at things like field goal percentages,
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you look at points.
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And that information, you know,
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you'd have to dig up a newspaper for that,
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you know, 20, 30 years ago.
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And now it's like, you look that up
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and there's a website that hosts that information.
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And it's so easily accessible that,
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you know, anytime you're in an argument with someone,
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it's there and you decide that that fast.
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And that, in a way-
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The speed of information,
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unlike before you had to get the sports almanac,
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buy it in a national bookstore or whatever.
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Yeah, and then hope that it's in date.
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you grow up with this
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sense of entitlement to information
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and a style of argumentation
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that really lends itself to, you know, pacing.
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you begin to disagree with
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other generations because of that.
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Whereas, you know, you have people that are
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that have, you know,
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let's say a career in entertainment, you know,
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you have a career hosting a podcast.
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And so, you could be,
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you know, all high and mighty and say,
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you know, did you know most podcasts
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see an increase in viewership if they do X?
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you may have 20 years of podcast experience.
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It's like, well, we tried that and it didn't work.
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the data is available and it's there
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and young people are pointing you
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and trying to direct you in a fashion that
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is what they know,
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experience still matters.
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at dinner table conversations,
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when you're having
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that sort of discussion,
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it's always remembered to take into account
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that, you know, your parents,
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as old and as grumpy as you think they are,
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they're old and grumpy with a lifetime of
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wrongdoings and mistakes and learning experiences
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that they are really trying their best to impart on you.
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You know, you made up a good point
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when you said that,
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you know, like I may be hosting a podcast.
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I may be the expert at what I do.
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And if you come to me with data,
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with data that tells me,
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this is what's going to get you to critical mass
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or blah, blah, blah.
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no, this is what we've been doing
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based on my experience.
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Using that word, based on my experience,
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the trajectory will be as much
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as X if I do this continuously.
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I have two questions for you.
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Doesn't it frustrate you
14:59.0
is using experience
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old results, right?
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As opposed to you,
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you may not have the experience or the podcast,
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but because you've extrapolated the information
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using your big data,
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you see it and you're trying to help me,
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but here I am very stubborn to actually listen to you.
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Does that frustrate you?
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does it make you and your generation
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condescending toward
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the older generation?
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That's a really good question.
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That's a really good question.
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So the first point,
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does it frustrate me?
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So insofar as frustration,
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an issue like that
15:46.0
is really coming from
15:48.0
the side of feeling like you're not heard.
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And I think when you,
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if someone came to you with that data,
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they've obviously gone through the effort
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of trying to produce something
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that will make a difference
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and the idea that,
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yeah, I want to contribute.
16:02.0
This is a project that I'm as passionate
16:05.0
and this is how I think I can help.
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And if you turn that down
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without really revising
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it is frustrating
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because it's like,
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I've done all this work
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and I've shown it to you
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and you just turned it away.
16:19.0
In that particular example,
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I think showing data to an older person
16:22.0
who then uses experience
16:24.0
as that trump card
16:26.0
is more a misunderstanding
16:27.0
and miscommunication
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of a certain set of values
16:30.0
or ideals, right?
16:32.0
at its most useful,
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for something like a podcast,
16:37.0
is presenting and telling a story.
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what I'm seeing in front of me
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is the aggregation
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of years worth of episodes
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and what's popular
16:46.0
and what's great.
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there is a middle ground, I think,
16:50.0
where you can present new information
16:52.0
with the experience.
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that doesn't work
16:57.0
if you really believe
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one way or the other
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and that's how you come to
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mediums and win-win solutions.
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The second part of that question
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doesn't make me condescending.
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There are honestly times
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as someone who grew up
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in the digital age
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and has argued like that,
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I hate the way they do things here.
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you're using this ridiculous
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that you can't even search through.
17:23.0
You have to manually
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type in your queries.
17:25.0
Why is all the information here?
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My parents have always
17:29.0
constantly checked me
17:31.0
there are lots of reasons
17:32.0
for why a company
17:34.0
will use the format
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Maybe it saved them
17:39.0
Maybe it's more useful
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for their particular application.
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It's made me condescending
17:47.0
sometimes in that
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better, faster way.
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But it's also allowed me
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why do I feel this way?
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Are people's experiences
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as what we believe
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to be the advancement
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that we should address?
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I've found myself
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those experiences
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can be as valuable.
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What they bring to the table
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has a different value
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to what you bring
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That's a nice way
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What people bring
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as what you bring
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I just checked myself
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to the hypothetical
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that I just gave you.
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was condescending first.
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you were talking,
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I'm thinking about going,
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yeah, you're right.
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you prepped data,
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the condescending act.
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It becomes a vicious cycle, right?
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It's a vicious cycle
19:04.0
of every generation
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and their parents
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and my grandparents
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where my parents thought
19:22.0
different generations
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I think is a very
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and grounding factor
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in your relationship
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Your mom and dad,
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they're very prominent
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I was going to ask you.
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So you've learned
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Of course, they were
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mom and dad to you
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growing up, right?
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When did it become
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and that's my mom.
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I'll give you context.
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is brought to you
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by Leo Bato and Associates.
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in the Philippines.
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My son can't sing.
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he's the son of his mom.
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I think I'm okay.
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where there's a karaoke
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or a live band playing
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I don't want to have anything to do
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because if they know who I am,
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some of them are going to want to make me sing.
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I'm going to humiliate myself
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or make me sit down
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behind the drum kit.
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I can only play the songs I know.
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and all that stuff.
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And it's caused him
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I'm going to go back
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like your mom and dad.
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So you've learned
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And from him came
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plump, plump, plump, plump, plump.
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And from her came
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plump, plump, plump, plump, plump.
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Take me through that
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and in particular I say
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we have a running joke
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that the three of us
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grew up with different parents.
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Different stages, right?
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Yeah, different stages.
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kids grossly underestimate
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quote unquote growing up.
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Growing up, yeah.
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Growing old, yeah.
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And that growing old
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As sad as it is, it's
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will have a different set of parents
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to your daughter at 10.
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And that's not a bad thing
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my parents growing up
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they've told me about it.
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I used to idolize
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I was gonna create
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I mean he's still
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he's still number one.
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used to in a way that
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I used to tell people that
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I want to be just like dad
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I didn't know anything
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as far as I was concerned
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fantastic stay at home father
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He used to bring me to school.
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Oh, that's when you wanted
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I want to be like dad.
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I used to tell people
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at three years old
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I want to be retired.
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That was the plan.
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That's still the plan.
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I want to be retired.
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The ambition is to not work.
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that's something that I carried
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with me growing up.
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because mom and dad
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at home maintained
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such a mom and dad
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mom worked a high-powered
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So she was constantly
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You know, we lived in London
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and she was always in Amsterdam.
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She was always in Paris.
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sometimes day trips
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sometimes weekends.
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I never really noticed
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a high-powered corporate job.
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That's what a learjet
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can do, you know.
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the Concorde was running.
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There and back in three hours.
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I didn't notice her absence
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in the sense that
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I wouldn't describe my childhood
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in my mother figure.
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She was there on weekends.
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in the time that she had.
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she was super mom
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without me knowing
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she was super mom.
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I mean the first one
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her job at Singapore
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I'm in the office
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one of her office mates
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your mom's a bully.
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what do you mean?
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it's then that you realized
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a corporate environment
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a certain language
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is very very special.
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it's an incredibly
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in the corporate sphere.
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is something that I
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really only realized
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my friends' parents
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look at employment
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and talk about employment
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mom was a superstar.
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the Filipino dream
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but the American dream
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had kids in the US
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you know doubly so
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because she's an Asian woman.
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when you realized
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it just slowly unraveled
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and like as I visited
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And then the internet's there.
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Did you ever Google your mom?
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I was in 8th grade
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we were doing a project
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and one of my friends
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I'm writing a research paper
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on women in the workplace
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do you know anyone?
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my mom's a woman in the workplace
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I wonder if she knows anything
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my mom did an interview
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the business school
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immediately you know
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it's what it's like
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to be a woman in business
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for as long as I've known her
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I've only ever known her
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it's something that
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was kept secret from me
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as I reached you know
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I started spending so much time
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was gracious enough
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drive me to school
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before you continue that story
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so you're Googling mom
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for the most part
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and all that stuff
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has been my best friend
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in the way that you would
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he's never treated me
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as separate from that
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and he never told you
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the influence he had
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in corporate Philippines
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and all that stuff
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throughout all of his life
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and this will be said
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he's been incredibly humble
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record of achievement
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I started learning more
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and I started spending
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so much time with my dad
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because we'd ride in the car
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to school together
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that I started asking him
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what was your life like
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both their careers
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of having a household
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a heavy parenting
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well quote unquote
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or stepped away from
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also because corporate life
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just kind of sucks
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he stepped away from corporate life
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and he started telling me stories
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At ito, without hearing the back story, you were already...
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I was already proud. I mean, to me, he was my superhero.
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And so, I was asking him, you know, what was your life like?
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And he was valedictorian of every year at school.
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You know, whether it was grade school, high school, college.
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He was employed at San Miguel for a long time.
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And even though he dumbs it down by saying, or not dumbs it down, but he...
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He doesn't really go into details.
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Yeah, it's a very, you know, not humiliating, but humbling experience for him
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because he was valedictorian at his university and then was employed as a clerk typist.
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It's not really a job that you expect a valedictorian to have.
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But then, you know, he glosses over the part where he got promoted so fast
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and he was, you know, youngest assistant, youngest VP, youngest executive,
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and then youngest senior VP.
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And he's already a global president by the time he's like 29.
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And so, having this fast track career where I'm now 23, 24, you know,
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and I'm just like, oh, shit.
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Of course, right?
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Like, I don't know.
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You know, by the time my parents were my age, you know,
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they were taking off.
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Remember that story I told you about my son, right?
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About the PTSD thing going.
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Not knowing who they were was kind of, huh, okay.
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Knowing who they are, all of a sudden, oh, shoot.
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Yeah, like, and so...
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So it's a double-edged sword.
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Yeah, it's a double-edged sword.
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And now that I was, you know, quote-unquote an adult,
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really I'm like in the late teens,
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I'm finally seeing my parents reconnect with classmates that in high school,
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in university, and with earlier workmates.
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And all they can say to me is, you know, your mom, your dad,
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they're so smart.
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They're so good at what they do.
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Isn't that pressure?
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It's, I mean, it's pressure.
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Pride and pressure.
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It's an immense amount of pride because it's like you find out your parents
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are just way cooler than you ever thought they were.
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And they're as good as what they do, like at what they do.
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It's really cool to point at my parents and be like, yeah,
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they're professionals at this.
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But it's never been a source of pressure because their expectations for us,
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it's not like they're not high,
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but they don't have expectations in the way that a lot of parents will be like,
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oh, we want you to be doctors, we want you to be lawyers.
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They'd always had this philosophy with us that was,
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and let me think on this so that I don't get it wrong the first time it comes
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It was always, they said to us, it's not this is my child and who do I want
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It was who is this child that happens to be my child and who do they want to be?
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And so no matter what it was, and I'm a kid that loved to switch hobbies.
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I loved it. It was guitar. It was skateboarding.
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It was reading. It was yo-yoing.
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It was all of these things.
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No matter what it was, they just said, be excellent at it.
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And to them, because they grew up, not grew up,
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but built careers in HR and then in consulting,
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those aren't quote-unquote like money-making fields.
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But they said, be very good at what you do and the money will follow.
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And that's the way I've sort of approached life and work and learning.
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I'm really passionate about learning and about meeting new people,
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about having those discussions.
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And so to me, it's just a factor of if I'm the best at what I do,
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the money will come and I won't have to worry.
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And so there isn't really pressure in the sense that like I have to live up
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to my parents' careers.
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So the pressure is not coming from them.
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No, the pressure is coming from yourself because you want to be the best at what you do.
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And not even the best in a quote-unquote, if you could quantify it objective sense.
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Because you can't really do that.
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No, it's subjective.
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And can I apply myself to be better than I was at it the day before,
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or the year before, six years before?
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And so you approach it with a sense of pride and with a sense of internal pressure.
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But every now and then, it does loom that my parents are superstars
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and they were fast-tracking their careers in a way that I currently am not.
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And so if they're the blueprint, I've kind of screwed up the blueprint.
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But I'm not that worried because if they can figure it out, I can figure it out.
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What about the three-year-old Jason who said,
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I want to be like dad, I want to be retired.
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What happened to that kid when he found out, oh, that's why he's retired?
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So dad retired because actually he was a self-made man.
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You can retire when you're huge.
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So you had that realization come to you also?
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So when I got older, it was just, oh, there's work that you have to put in.
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You don't just get to be retired.
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You can retire when you're a major executive.
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But I guess I'm trying to skip to the last part.
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Hey, you know, Stephen Covey, right?
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Begin with the end in mind.
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The goal is to not work.
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And now I have to find the most creative ways to not work.
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But there is that old adage, if you do what you love, you'll never work a day in your life.
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So when you found out as a teenager who mom and dad were, what did you tell your siblings?
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Did you reach out to them going, what the heck?
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And it's mostly because, you know, it comes from being the only child.
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So as much as I get bored at home, my parents get bored too.
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It's like you're sitting here with this 13-year-old and you're like, you, let me tell you a story.
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This is going to help you.
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And it's something that I don't even clock until I'm like 18, 19.
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And I'm like, oh, that was a really good story.
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Wow, marinated for five years.
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So it's just ruminating back there.
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Like, huh, that had an important moral lesson that I completely missed when I was supposed to have needed it.
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Yeah, no, but I went to them and I was like, did you know mom and dad were this big?
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And a lot of the time the answer is no.
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I never heard this from them because, you know, at the time they were raising all three of us and then two and then one.
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And so the conversations they had with me are like, are them going through a life stage change, you know, stepping away from their careers and reflecting.
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You know, that's true.
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Oh my God, they had to experience that, the life change.
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So my sisters grew up with parents that were still very much high powered corporate people.
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And when I was coming into my own, I grew up with parents that were tired people, you know, that were reflective, introspective people.
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And so the stories that I got were completely different from the stories my sisters got.
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And so I would ask, did you know mom and dad were this big?
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You know, did you know that mom's career took off like this?
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And, you know, by the time she was your age, she was making this much money.
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And sometimes the answer would be, no, you know, talk to me about it. And sometimes the answer would be a begrudging, yes, and I'm not there.
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So leave me alone.
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But not in a bad way, but more in a respect of what our parents do and who they are and what they mean to us.
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Because like I said, for all of us, they were just mom and dad.
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Now, are you in a relationship right now?
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Were you ever in a relationship?
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Did you ever subliminally find yourself trying to use your mom as a template?
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Having found out who she was and you're looking at your ex-girlfriend going,
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I can't say I have, honestly.
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I mean, there is that whole, you know, a son's first love is his mother.
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And in a way, I love my mom and I respect her for who she is, but I don't think I look for that in a romantic partner.
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I don't need someone to be my mother.
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No, not your mother, but more of like, of course, the conversation gets intellectual.
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Do I look for someone that's like a woman, like mom?
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Like if she's, oh, I want to go to the parlor and just blow dry my hair. And then what? And then probably go home and post some pictures on Instagram.
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I mean, in a way, I feel like my mom and my dad are so much of, you know.
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It's a hard bar. It's a high bar.
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Yeah, they're two halves of one mind, really, you know.
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Sometimes they split and they express themselves in different ways.
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But they complete each other's sandwiches.
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At their core, you know, they're the same.
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And by virtue of being their kid at the core, I'm the same.
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So outwardly, she doesn't have to be like mom in the sense that maybe she's not a high-powered corporate woman who does so-and-so.
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But is it someone that cares about other people?
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Is it someone that, you know, values family, that values quality time, that values expressing love?
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Yes. And those are qualities that my parents have that they've imparted on us that I do look for in the people that I spend my time with.
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And your mom and dad talk to each other a lot.
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A lot. It's too much.
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So if you have a girlfriend, do you want this girlfriend to be on her phone or do you want this girlfriend to be having a conversation with you over coffee or whatever?
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Well, I mean, if she's on her phone while we're in the same room, clearly, I'm not very interesting.
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But no, I do enjoy that face time and the relationship.
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My parents have, you know, really demoed in my 23 years has been one that's very communicative and respectful.
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And I remember, you know, growing up, they told me, you know, we never go to bed angry and we never go to bed without saying I love you.
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And that's the kind of relationship that they have.
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And that's something that I look for or will want to achieve later in life.
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So graduated from college, double major.
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Did the pressure increase or did you feel free?
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This episode is brought to you by Dr. Lourdes Capulon.
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To do what you want to do.
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We've always been free to do what we want to do.
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Was it more like, I'm sorry, Jason, was it more like, got you the diploma, we're good, I'm out.
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See, that would have worked.
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That would have worked if I was employed right now.
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But I'm still currently searching for a job.
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So until I find one and I can financially support myself, I'm happy to live by their rules.
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Like they've been gracious enough to let me live in their house to use their money for food.
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As Asian parents, a lot of Asian parents are, you know, there's no, the pressure to move out isn't as great for lots of Asian cultures as it is for others.
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And so I'm more than happy to live by those rules because of the relationship we've had.
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But, you know, you do feel the pressure and you feel the anxiety of, you know, I'm still unemployed.
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And it's, you know, everyone my age looks like they're going to do work and they're finishing up things.
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But also the internal pressure of, you want to start giving back to your parents.
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And when that gets put on hold and you're still, you know, living off of their kindness,
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it does put a mental block in the back of your head.
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It's like, I need to get moving.
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And you know what, the most humble statement that I heard from that sentence was, I'm okay to live by their rules.
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Because there are kids who want their cake and eat it too.
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I don't have a job. I'm your son. I'm your daughter. I'm staying at your house.
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But I don't need to follow your rules because I'll be out soon.
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But see, you bring that out in the open. I hope people are listening and watching.
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Because there are still children who actually are cognitive to that fact that, you know what,
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I have to humble myself while I'm trying to develop my wings so I can fly.
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And I'm okay to submit to your authority.
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Is that something that mom and dad drilled down or is that something that's innately yours?
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It's innately mine. And I can't speak for the kids who don't want to live by their parents' rules.
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Because obviously, you know, the relationship that they have is clearly different enough
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where they feel like they shouldn't live by the rules for whatever reason.
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For me personally, it comes from the fact that I respect my parents.
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And I've always felt like they've respected me.
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And so living by the rules comes from a mutual understanding that it is a generosity.
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It is a kindness that they're providing.
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And if I've been there, if I'm living in their home, then it's something that I have to appreciate
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and not work around but work with to try and come to an understanding of when I take off,
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you'll be there and I know kindness will be repaid eventually.
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But until then, thank you.
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Now you've been around the world. What would you consider, where would you consider home?
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That's a really good question. And it's one that, sorry, is a bit contentious
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because my siblings and I have grown up with the term third culture kid, TCK.
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And for those of you who are watching and listening that don't know what that is,
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it's someone who's grown up in a culture that's different from the one they were born in
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or the one their parents are from.
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And so my pitch to people is that I've lived my life in sixes.
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So I spent six years in England, six years in Singapore, six years in the Philippines,
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and now I'm on year four in the US.
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So I grew up with TCK. I grew up absorbing different cultures that weren't necessarily mine.
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And so all of them feel like home in the sense that I have roots there.
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I connect there. But none of them could be my sole identity.
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Are you still searching for that? No.
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I don't think I'm searching for it so much as I've accepted that I am a multicultural kid.
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I connect with people who are Indian, Chinese, English, Scottish, American.
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And being able to accept that and be part of their groups is enough for me to be sure of who I am
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as a global citizen, as a person.
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Now, having a multicultural background, has it made you less judgmental?
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Has it made you more judgmental?
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Or has it made you indifferent to everything because it's stressful to actually even dip your finger?
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I think it's made me less judgmental, especially coupled with the fact that I did study social anthropology in college.
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So you're looking at different cultures all the time and critically.
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And when you interact with people like that and you have friends like that, you go to each other's houses,
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you start to greet their parents, like in the Philippines, we make beso with titas and titas.
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And you end up bowing in other households.
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You develop a sensitivity to those practices.
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And you recognize that our cultures aren't so different.
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It's more the way we express ourselves.
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And at the root of it is respect.
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And at the root of it is a respect and an understanding of, in a given social group, this is the way we've done things.
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Whether it's eating food or greeting elders or going to school.
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And so you just appreciate them actually when you see them.
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Things like having friends that are Thai come to college.
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They've never been in the US.
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And a custom of telling everyone, could we please sit with our feet behind us?
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Because it's rude to point your feet at someone.
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That's something they appreciate.
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And being able to connect with someone in that way over something so small, but a cultural understanding and a shared intelligence of that,
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has made me really comfortable entering new spaces and being allowed to appreciate people for who they are and what they represent.
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Why is it here now?
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And will it ever go away?
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So I think cancel culture is a bit of a hot topic.
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Things like podcasts, right?
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Because that's what happens.
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Someone says something that maybe is received the wrong way by a particular group of people.
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And they get called to be canceled.
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Anyone out there can correct me if I'm wrong.
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I believe it started off of a satirical Colbert tweet.
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And an Asian woman, I think her name is Suey Park, I don't know.
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But an Asian woman tweeted, cancel Colbert, this is wrong.
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And it was a satirical tweet, obviously Colbert is not canceled.
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And then it got used in Black Twitter as a joke and whatever.
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And it's developed now into what is a phenomenon of people being afraid to share their ideas.
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Cancel culture really stems from an earlier form of something called call-out culture, which began with...
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What kind of culture?
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Call-out culture.
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And that began with the Me Too movement, with Suey Park, with this idea that we have to bring to attention
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when people with big platforms are sharing ideas that are harmful to people.
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Whether that exists in the form of racism or misogyny or whatever.
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And I think at its core, that's a really good thing.
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It's to hold people accountable for harmful behavior and for behavior that we can work on to improve and to make the world...
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More of like a slap on the hand.
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Yeah, it's meant to help people.
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But that's what it's supposed to be, just a slap on the hand.
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But that's what calling out is, a slap on the hand.
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But calling out, I guess we treated it to cancel, let's not slap his hand, let's just kill.
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Yeah, I think cancel culture is scary in the sense that it's a form of social ostracism.
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It's a digital form of social ostracism.
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And that's what it is.
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You say something wrong and you get checked.
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The underlying theory behind it being that it's meant to be a learning experience.
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And I'm someone that believes that everyone, let's say most people, can learn from mistakes if they're willing to put forth their effort.
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It does exist in some spaces for really good things.
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If people are constantly putting out racist content, like if someone was putting out racist content about Filipinos,
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I would say they don't deserve to have that platform.
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You should ban them from YouTube or Facebook or whatever.
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And that's a totally valid reason for cancellation.
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I think a lot of people now are scared of the fact that social norms are constantly evolving.
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But the internet has made it so that that evolution is on record all the time.
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And you may have said some things that they were okay in 2012, but in 2022, they were a little bit questionable.
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Like what happened to Kevin Hart, right?
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Yeah, they were quote unquote okay.
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But now they're really questionable.
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And so guys like Kevin Hart, especially a lot of comedians...
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And what Robert Downey Jr. when he played...
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Tropic Thunder, Blackface.
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Those things were all in mainstream media because they were funny and with comedy in particular.
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There's a certain irreverence that goes along with that.
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Do they deserve to be cancelled? Maybe.
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It depends on the severity of the action and then the intention of whoever it is.
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Cancelling someone who is an outward racist and part of groups that actively speak against human rights and against spout hate speech.
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That's very different from I think cancelling an actor or a podcaster that was part of a production that a lot of the time is from years past.
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See, that's the key word there.
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Years past, it was okay at the time.
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It's different if you're doing it now at this time.
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Yeah, it's different.
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And I think most people, if they're mature enough, should they own up to that.
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They'll acknowledge that this was a different time in my life.
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I know better, I'll do better.
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And that should be enough in most cases.
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And most of the time, there is a sort of general acceptance of when people can see a genuine quality in someone.
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So I do think sometimes it can be dicey, but sometimes it can be used for what its original intention was.
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And it's to make the world and the internet a safer and more inclusive space.
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Yeah, it's a good thing.
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Now, what do you want to be? It's hard to say what do you want to be when you grow up.
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You're already grown up.
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It's like, what do you want to be?
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What do I want to be?
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I mean, as far as literal occupations go, I don't think I have something in mind of what I want to be.
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I want to be someone who impacts my community in positive ways.
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I want to be someone that helps people.
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I want to be someone that people remember fondly for doing a kindness or for helping them get through something.
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That's what I want.
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And I want to be the best at what I do.
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Or the best version of myself at what I do.
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Whatever that manifestation is, I've yet to come across.
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I think at 23, not a lot of people know what the literal manifestation of…
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It's stressful at your age.
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…of their quote-unquote mission is, their life mission.
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But yeah, that's what I want to be.
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I mean, it's already stressful for a 23-year-old to write it down without superstar parents, right?
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I can only imagine your pressure having to write what you want to be down on paper or in your head,
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knowing full well that there's mom and dad who at 23 are already hitting the ground running and off to the races.
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That's pretty hard.
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Now, with your sisters, have you talked to them about your career path?
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Or is that something that you guys don't talk about?
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It's something that we talk about.
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It's something that we talk about, but we acknowledge that career paths are different.
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My oldest sister, she went to school for graphic design.
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She went to a very elite art school and then came out of that school saying,
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I don't want to do art.
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I want to do business.
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And so she worked as a barista in a boba shop and is now the chief of staff for that company.
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So her career path started out as, yeah, I want to be an artist.
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And then it has ended up as I'm attending a business school and I'm working to be a high-powered businesswoman.
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My second sister went to school for psych and is now pursuing a doctorate degree.
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And so our career paths, we've acknowledged that they're all going to be different.
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And for my older sisters especially, they happen so spur of the moment.
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You plan vaguely what you want to be.
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But then you just try things and you pick things up and you fall in love with them.
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And I think it's going to be the same case for me.
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I'm going to step into something, find out whether or not I like it,
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and then move from there with the hope that wanting to become better at what I do is what's going to push me into a career field.
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Now, you know, while you were saying that, it's more like all three of you are branching out into different directions.
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And I couldn't help but think about what your mom and dad had put up except one.
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And I'm like, except one, is it going to involve you and your sisters?
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Or are you guys like, nah, we don't want to be part of it.
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I mean, if mom and dad decides to close that, we're done. We'll do our thing.
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That's a good question.
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I don't think any of us are dead set on inheriting it in the sense that like, you know,
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I must continue mom and dad's legacy as consultants and as, you know, leadership development experts.
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But it's more in the back of our heads.
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It's like except one taken, you know, philosophically for us is an amalgamation of the values that they tried to impart on us growing up.
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My mom always said that, you know, she believes in helping people win with their uniqueness.
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And for my dad, the namesake of the company is a JM Berry quote.
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It's the start of Peter Pan. It's all children except one grow up.
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And it's to do with, you know, a uniqueness and individuality and a winning spirit that comes from someone being unapologetically themselves in their mission and their values.
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So that's something that even if I'm not inheriting the company would be what I carry with me to a different path or company.
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So it exists in all of us, whether we like to acknowledge it or not.
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But I don't think there's any pressure to continue it as its current form.
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And you know what, if one of you actually did against your will, it defeats the mission statement.
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Yeah, it defeats the mission. Unless one of us chanced into it as like, you know, this is my calling.
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But yeah, it does in a way ironically defeat the mission of except one.
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Now, with regard to this is your fourth year in the States and you operate by six.
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What if you finally figure out that this is where life is going to happen?
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Are you going to break the pattern of six or are you going to continue on and make life here in the States?
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That's a good question. I think about it all the time.
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Because, you know, all these chapters of my life are bookended by locations.
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I mean, a little bit.
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Oh, it's going to hurt.
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Like year seven, you're still here.
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It's not perfect.
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I gotta go to Mexico.
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It's not perfect. So, you know, you find somewhere quick.
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Because of the fact that, you know, I lived a very luckily, very privileged multicultural life.
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I am very open to spending my time somewhere else, be it like New Zealand or Australia.
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So, you're still in the travel mode?
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But what if at year six, you find, two more years, Sir Georgia and Mr. Dora, two more years of Jason being in the house.
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But what if on year six, you land something that you like here in the States?
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Hypothetically speaking.
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Yeah. Hypothetically speaking, if it's the start of, you know, what my career and my dream is, then sure, I'd stay here.
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You'd close that book completely and start this book of...
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Yeah. It's something that I still carry with me anyway.
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You know, I'm always going to be a kid who grew up multicultural and this is just, you know, another chapter in my life.
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Did you ever think about the rest of your life, like, I plan to...
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Are you that type of person? That's why I asked if you were OCD.
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I need to be married at this age. I need to have this number of kids at this age and all that stuff.
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That's a good question.
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I like plans in so far as like, what am I eating for breakfast tomorrow?
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But as far as like five year, ten year, no, I don't do that.
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And it's because think of who Paco was ten years ago.
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Are you the same person you were ten years ago?
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Right? And I think that people grossly underestimate just how much they change in a time period like that.
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Ten years ago, you probably, if I'd asked you, are these your favorite bands? Is this your favorite music?
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You know, what tempo do you like playing at? You probably could have said a number of things.
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And you might have predicted, you know, 40, 50 year old me is going to like the same things.
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And then you get to 40, 50 and you're like, I don't like anything that I liked when I was 30.
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You are absolutely true.
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Exactly. And so maybe the idea is there.
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Like for me, the vague goals that, you know, I want to have a career. I want to say that I built something, that I was part of something.
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But what that is, I leave up to what current me is deciding because I'm always going to be a different person from who I was 5, 10, 15 years ago.
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And accepting that you're in a constant state of evolution.
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Is part of, I think, accepting that the ride isn't going to be perfect and that you are going to be a different person at the end of your experiences as when you were when you started planning them.
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The ride isn't always going to be perfect. Are you a pragmatist, an optimist or a pessimist?
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I want to believe so badly that I'm an optimist, but I am a bit of a glass half empty type person.
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My dad is, you know, the glass is there and there's water in it.
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My dad's extremely, you know, level-headed and not dumb, but just real.
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The glass is there and there's water in it.
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My mom is so optimistic that, you know, the glass can be refilled.
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And so I'm a little bit, you know, my dynamic has always been, it's half empty.
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Why are you looking at it?
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And so I've always been a bit cynical and being raised with two older sisters who, you know, obviously never spoke to me like I was a kid.
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You know, you grow up like a little bit pouty sometimes.
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And so I'm a bit of a pessimist and part of that becomes from, you know, you're scared.
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Being anxious about things like job searching, being anxious about employment and your future, that's very real.
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And in a way, a healthy amount of pessimism is a way to sort of alleviate.
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To bring it down, like I told you.
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Yeah, the disappointment almost, you're sort of bracing yourself for any potential disappointment.
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But I guess because of the way life has turned out, you know, I'd have to be a little optimistic.
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I got excited about, you know, going to college, about being my own person and wanting to be the best at what it is you do,
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needs a healthy sense of optimism because you're under this belief that I'm capable, I'm prepared or I can be prepared.
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And so, you know, I tell myself no matter how pessimistic I am, like, you can do this. You've got it.
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Gratefulness, gratitude.
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Was that something you discovered? Was that something taught to you?
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It was something I had to learn.
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I feel like most kids grow up a little bit ungrateful.
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Like super entitled?
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Not necessarily entitled, but you don't appreciate things for what they are until you're older and you experience a different side of things.
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You know, for example, as a kid, I really liked fortune cookies and snacks in the way that your daughter does.
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And, you know, having fortune cookies in the house was a normal thing.
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It was like you could go to the store and you could get fortune cookies.
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And being in countries where you couldn't, like it's a small inconvenience, if you could call it that.
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But it's like, you know, it's not the norm.
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And you slowly miss out on opportunities.
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And that obviously gets bigger than something like fortune cookies.
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It's a job, it's a school experience, it's a trip.
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And so gratitude is something that you really only learn when you find out what you've been missing.
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You know, you begin to appreciate what's there and what you have.
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Do you think that it comes with maturity as well?
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I think so. I think it comes with a certain set of experiences.
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It comes with loss and with, you know, great gains.
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And gratitude for me, because of how lucky I was to have parents that could provide the things that I wanted when I was a kid.
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It started when I started meeting people who necessarily didn't have those things.
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And I didn't look down on them, I didn't shame them for any of that.
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But it was more, I really love that I've been given these opportunities, these experiences.
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And I wouldn't shame them for anything.
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You know what, okay, what can you share with, in summary, with kids 13, 14, 15, who think they know it all?
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Who think they can do no wrong?
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That's a really good question.
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They're there, they're everywhere.
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Yeah, no, because I remember so vividly what it was like to be that age.
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I would say that, you know, old people, and when I say old people, it could be your parents, it could be your teachers, it could be whatever.
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They're always going to underrate you.
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First of all, as a 13, 14, 15 year old, you're more mature or you have the ability to be more mature than they give you credit for.
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You can be smarter than they give you credit for.
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But they're also not as old or as slow as you think they are.
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And so it goes both ways.
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You can be better than they give you credit for, but also they're not nearly as bad as you think.
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You know, the people that you interact with on a daily basis have at some point been young, as you said earlier.
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They've been young, they've known what it's like to be in your shoes.
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And a lot of them have a lifetime worth of experiences that are, you know,
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every kind of emotional experience and story from, you know, funny to heartbreaking to extremely prideful and joyful.
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And that's worth learning from in the same way that they can learn every bit from you about what tech, what science, what social advancements are happening.
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And my advice to you as a 13, 14, 15 year old is to keep an open mind to people of all kinds.
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And to be in touch with who you are and what grounds you as a person.
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And to connect with that as you move through your maturity and through your life stages.
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Because it'll let you be a kinder and more helpful human being.
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And I think that's paramount to anything else that takes place in your life or your career.
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As long as you're helpful and you mean something to yourself and to others, everything will be fine.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Jason Rose Palomar Fresnedi.
