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MARCOS JR FOREIGN POLICY - DW Interview
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columnist and political scientist and an expert in Philippines-China ties.
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Richard, from what the Foreign Secretary is saying,
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do you get the impression that the Philippines has a new way to tackle an old challenge from China
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in the South China Sea?
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Well, it's hard to say that there's a new way here or we're dealing with the old challenge
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because on the one hand the challenge from China is an evolving challenge
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and as far as the Philippines is concerned we're not only facing threats in the South
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China Sea area where we have territorial disputes with China, but now the invasion of Taiwan is an
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increasing probability, right, and there are even discussions of that happening within the
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coming years if not coming decades. So now the Philippines is also worried about the potential
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ramifications of a Chinese invasion or any kind of serious military operations against Taiwan,
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which by the way is separated from the Philippines by a very narrow strait.
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So the threat from China is evolving, and at the same time the Philippine strategy is also
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adjusting accordingly. So the Marcos Jr. administration policy is unlike any of the
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previous administration, precisely because it's friendlier to China than previous liberal
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reforms administration, but definitely tougher also in China than the previous Duterte administration.
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It's interesting you mentioned Taiwan because I did want your views on Taiwan,
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and we did ask the Foreign Secretary about that. That's coming up in a bit.
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But just staying on the South China Sea, China has refused to consider what the Philippines
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is saying, essentially. It also does not accept the 2016 ruling from the Hague's International
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Arbitration Court that essentially ruled China does not have a claim over the South China Sea.
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What options does the Philippines really have?
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Well, actually I would have argued it more forcefully than the Philippine Foreign Secretary.
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I think the Philippine Arbitration Award actually has been extremely useful.
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First of all, have you noticed China is not using the term nine-dash line anymore because
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it knows that it's a legal joke, that it's a diplomatic liability. So since the award came
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out, China is coming up with alternative ideas and alternative doctrines that have also been
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struck down and ridiculed and mocked by global experts. So actually it's working because China
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itself is rethinking its diplomatic positioning in the language it uses when it comes to its
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claims. Number two, the Philippine Arbitration Award actually provided the legal pretext
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for the United States to expand its military presence in the area, particularly in terms
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of what you call freedom of navigation operations. So over the past few years, we have seen
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dozens of American warships getting close to the Chinese artificially created islands and
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challenging China's claims. And now we see even European countries coming in, not as
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aggressive as the United States, but legally aggressive, diplomatic aggressive. And sometimes
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we see the French, the Europeans also passing through with their warships to also send a
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signal. So to be honest, I think the Philippines is not recognizing how effective its policy
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has been, but that's my argument. It has been effective, but we have to leverage it
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further. And President Marcos has been very clear. It's non-negotiable. The Philippines
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has no territorial disputes with China because China's claims in the Philippine waters are
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inconsistent with international law. I'm glad we're talking to you and getting some
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context out of the foreign secretary's remarks. But as you mentioned, the threat from Taiwan
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and what the tensions over that island could also impact the Philippines. And my colleague
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Janelle did ask Foreign Secretary Manalo about that.