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Watch out interview with election lawyer Emil MaraƱon III about problems that will likely arise if the Philippines shifts to hybrid elections.
Christian Esguerra
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Ang sabi naman ng critics kasi ng PCOS at VCM, hindi kami naniniwala sa resulta ng eleksyon
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because hindi namin alam number one kung nabilang ba talaga ng makina yung voto namin.
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So kumbaga may distrust sa makina because our senses were not able to perceive the process of counting
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therefore we cannot believe the system as truthful or accurate.
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So yan yung criticism nila because basically yung concept ng transparency of most critics,
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transparency means the process of counting can be perceived by our senses.
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Nakikita mo, naririnig mo na binasa yung makina.
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So because wala daw ganoon, it's not transparent enough.
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So ang counter proposal nila is why don't we do a hybrid system?
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Hybrid system meaning ang gagawin natin is we still vote manually
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but instead na ang makina ang magbibilang ng balota natin,
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babalik tayo doon sa proseso ng manual election which is yung teacher yung magbabasa uli ng makina.
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Teacher uli yung magbabasa.
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Now, pag binasa ngayon ng teacher yung resulta doon sa balota isa-isa,
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magka-throw on ng recording yan sa papel at magtataras uli sa board.
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Kumbaga, tatlo.
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So magbibilang ka ng balota, magtataras ka doon sa papel na nire-record na nila at magtataras ka rin sa board.
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So doon na-anticipate kayo magiging problema dyan kung nareklamo nung ganyan yung sistema before, babalik yan.
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Allegations at dagdag bawas tapos mas matagal yan.
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Tapos after nagkaroon ng taras-taras, manual na bilangan, i-input mo ngayon sa computer yung resulta.
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Kumbaga, pinaghalu mo yung feature ng manual elections at automated elections and that's where the word hybrid came from.
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It's a mixture ng manual elections at automated elections.
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Kumbaga, given our experience over the past several elections since 2010 kung kailan tayo nag-automate,
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although technically meron pa rin siyang portion na manual,
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ikaw bilang practitioner talagang babad na baba dyan sa elections sa baba, would you recommend this?
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Yung hybrid shift?
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Well unang-una siguro, yung sa akin naman kahit anong sistema na gamitin natin,
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ako kasi ang tingin ko dapat evidence-based yung judgment natin.
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Ibig sabihin, when we say that the hybrid system is better than the automated election, that shows us evidence.
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And so far lahat ng evidence na available ngayon would still point na mas maraming disadvantages yung hybrid as against automated elections.
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In fact, ang basis ko in saying this is I think back in, I'm not sure about the year but I think it was before the 2015 elections
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or perhaps I think 2016 elections ata, nagkaroon ng test, testing, nagkaroon ng piloting,
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kumbaga nagkaroon ng time in motion study yung COMELEC.
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So yung proponents ng hybrid system, pinatawag ng COMELEC.
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Sabi ng COMELEC, okay ipakita nyo sa amin kung paano nyo i-execute yung hybrid system na pinopropose nyo
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because you would like to listen to it.
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So sinimulate nila yung bilang ng votante, nagkaroon ng botohan all day long,
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tapos yung teacher nagbilang din, tapos ginawa nila nagbilang, nagtara, something like that.
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And after that study, nainatenda ng election practitioners, election lawyers, election watchdogs,
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kasi kurios kami lahat kung ano ba talaga yung mas maganda ba yung hybrid o wala.
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Ang conclusion ng election watchdogs and ang conclusion ng COMELEC is number one,
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mas matagal ang proseso.
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So kumbaga mas matagal. I think the result of the study is available online.
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I think people can request it from COMELEC but it's still available online. It's verifiable.
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Number one, mas mahabang proseso.
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In other words, mas mabigat ang trabaho ng teacher because remember,
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ang teacher sa automated elections nag-operate lang siya ng VCM machine.
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Pindot-pindot lang siya, tapos na yung trabaho niya, uwiyan na.
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But pagdating naman sa hybrid system, ang teacher magbibilang uli ng balota isa-isa.
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Second, because na mahaba ang bilangan,
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ang tendency niya is that mas less accurate yung hybrid count,
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or manual counting, kumpara mo sa automated elections.
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So mas mahaba na siya, mas less accurate pa siya.
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And then also, in terms of expense on the part of the COMELEC,
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sinabi ng COMELEC mas mahal ang hybrid. Bakit?
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Number one, because sa bagal ng proseso ng hybrid,
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kailangan mong mag-chop-chop ng presinto.
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Kailangan mong damihan ng presinto para ma-accommodate yung bilang ng tao.
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Kasi example, ang standard ng COMELEC is alam ko nasa 800 voters,
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I'm not sure, but around 800 voters per precinct.
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So sa hybrid system, kailangan mong i-breakdown yan, hatiin mo.
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Otherwise, saabutin ng ilang araw yung mga teachers.
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So every time na mas dadami yung presinto,
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mas maraming computer yung kailangan mo.
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And of course, ang question din dyan,
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sa parte naman ng mga politiko na interesado doon sa risulta,
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ang hybrid system would require at least three watchers.
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Bakit three watchers?
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Number one, dapat may watcher ka na tagabantay sa likod ng teacher
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para pag nagbasa ng balota, sigurado ka na yung binabasa niya
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is the one na nakasulat sa balota.
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Nakatingin ka sa likod ng teacher?
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Nakatingin ka sa likod ng teacher kung whether yung binabasa niya,
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kung who won yan, who won. Hindi yung nagiging Pedro.
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Who won nakasulat, Pedro ang binasa.
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Because nangyayari yan sa manual election, manual nadayaan yan.
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Second, kailangan mo din ng watcher na tagabantay doon sa tagataras sa papel,
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sa may lamesa. So dapat may tagabantay ka din doon.
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That's second watcher.
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Meron ka din dapat watcher na tagabantay doon sa tagataras sa blackboard.
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So kumbaga, tatlo dapat, if you really want to guard yung voto mo,
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you will need at least three watchers.
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Because for example, kung isa lang yung watcher mo,
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may nagbabantay ka doon sa tagabilang ng balota,
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e kung wala kang tagabantay doon sa blackboard at may papel sa lamesa,
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baka mamaya tama yung pagbilang pero mali yung pagtaras.
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Matay ka din. Ang tanong, kaya ba ng politiko na magpadala
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ng tatlong election watcher bawat presinto?
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And remember, pag-hybrid, mas maraming presinto yan.
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In terms of gastos mo, patay tayo dyan.
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So ang ending niyan, if the politicians can't afford to send three watchers,
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ang tendency mo, isa lang papadala mo.
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But the question is, is it effective election watching
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kung hindi mo din naman nababantayan yung buong aspeto ng eleksyon?
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So balik na naman tayo doon sa question,
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transparent ba kung wala naman kaming opportunity
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because prohibitive yung cost ng pagpapadala ng tatlong watcher?
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Balik na naman tayo doon sa same issue, transparency pa rin.
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So apart from that, of course sabi ko nga yung another aspect nito,
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we are again introducing a new type of voting system.
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Kumbaga every time you introduce a new voting system,
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katakot-takot na naman yan na gasto sa voter education
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because ang tao nga, can you imagine, bumoto na 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, 2022,
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pang-anin na ng eleksyon natin, 2025 will be our 7th election.
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Kumbaga nasanay na tayo sa prosesong yun
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but if you change it to another system again,
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then you will need massive voter's education plan again
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and ituturo mo sa tao papaano ngayon yung tamang pagboto under the new system.
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So kumbaga, ito yung mga disadvantages.
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So ang tanong sa taong bayan, are we willing to take these risks
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because we are doubting that the automated election system is not transparent enough?
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So yun yung mga basic questions.
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And yung akin lang hinihingi dito is regardless of the decision,
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I just hope that COMELEC will decide on the basis of evidence,
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kumbaga evidence-based yung approach natin.
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Kasi minsan masarap siya sa papel, masarap siya pakinggan, masarap siya basahin on paper
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but ibang usapan yung whether pag in-implement mo na,
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is it really transparent, is it really effective, is it really clean, is it really accurate?
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Ibang usapan yung you are reading it on paper as against implementing it in real life.
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So yun, sana whatever election system that we will implement,
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hopefully evidence-based dapat yung approach natin.
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And again, sinasabi ko natin, Christian, sinasabi ko, I'll be very honest.
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Most of us election lawyers actually,
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when my former boss Sixto Brillantes was still alive and we were in COMELEC,
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sabi niya sa akin, alam mo yung profesyon na pagiging election lawyer
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pag matutuloy-tuloy yung automated election,
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sabi niya he predicted na mawawalan kami ng trabaho in the long run.
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So the moment people start accepting the results of the election as is, mawawalan kami ng trabaho.
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Because siyempre, sino pa mag-protesta wala na?
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In fact nga, yung trend ngayon sa election protest,
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every election, pababa ng pababa, pawala ng pawala yung protesta.
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Kumbaga less and less politicians are filing election protest.
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So kumbaga, in actually talking about the hybrid system,
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I'm talking against my own personal interest because kung ako lang,
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kung gusto ko lang na kumita, I would of course prefer manual elections or hybrid system
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because I know na pag mas magulo, mas maraming away,
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mas may trabaho kami ng mga abogado.
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Because remember, yun naman eh, kung may gulo, doon kami kumikita ang mga abogado.
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Mas may litigate ako.
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Exactly.
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Okay, teka.
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Hinabuso ko na si attorney Emil Maran.
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Ang sarap pag-usapan.
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Maraming salamat sa tiyaga ng pagpapaliwanag mo.
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Maraming maraming salamat.
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Pero I hope sana maraming sila nakapulot dito.
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Kasi nga sana tinutukan niya mabuti ang paliwanag.
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Wala namang BS dun sa binabanggit niya.
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Kasi hindi naman yung nadinig ang paliwanag from other experts pa dating dyan.
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Sana na makinig yung comment like sa inyo at least.
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Kasi kanina nadinig ko nagsusulong yan si Sen. Aimee Marcos, hybrid.
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Diba? Doon ka rin nadinig mo sa speech niya. Gusto niya hybrid elections.
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Sana masaintindihan ng mga taga-panood natin.
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Before jumping into this system, sana magkaroon ng time and motion study, magkaroon ng actual na pag-aaral, magkaroon ng consultation sa stakeholders, magkaroon ng consultation sa tao, magkaroon ng consultation sa teachers.
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Imagine ang unang matatamaan dito yung ating mga public school teacher na nagsiserve tuwing elections. And to be honest with you I have yet to hear a single teacher na nagsasabi na mas gusto namin yung manual election o manual bilangan.
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Wala pa po akong naririnig. If you are a teacher and you want to go back to manual, I would love to correct myself.
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But so far wala pa po ako naririnig na humihingi na gusto nilang mas pahirapan yung sarili nila.
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Sa isang tunay na independent journalism. Maraming maraming salamat po.