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May credibility ba ang Marcos administration para pangunahan ang kampanya laban sa disinformation?
Christian Esguerra
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No lies. No distortions. Just the facts. And the truth about issues that matter. Facts First with Christian Esguerra.
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... Pero start of the week pala, lunes. Huwag kumasabi happy weekend sa inyo pagkatapos ang programa. Pero hindi. Simulan po natin ang discussion ngayon dahil meron po tayong pag-uusapan ng isang issue na malapit sa puso natin, sa puso natin lahat hindi lang sa mga periodista o sa mga journalism. Periodista medyo lumang term po yan, malakas po makalolo yan.
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... Ito po yung balak nilang pangunahan ang isang kampanya laban sa misinformation at disinformation. In short, yung mga peke o malisyosong impormasyon na nagkalat sa social media, nagkalat online. Ang tanong meron po bang kayang Marcos administration para pangunahan itong initiative na ito?
01:31.0
... Ito po dito sa kasamaan o kademonyohan ng disinformation. I'd like to introduce first si Ms. Celine Samson ng Vera Files. Siya po ang tagapamuno ng online verification team ng Vera Files. Magandang gabi sa iyo Celine. Thank you for joining us.
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Good evening sa lahat ng tagapakinig ng Fox First.
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Q1. Mayroon silang bagong programa sa Philstar.com ang title, Why Naman?
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Q2. Why Naman? Para bakit ganito? At tinitinan natin kung systemic ba yung mga problema na inaharap natin?
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Q1. Doon kailan ito?
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Q2. Mayroon silang bagong programa sa Philstar.com ang title, Why Naman? Para bakit ganito? At tinitinan natin kung systemic ba yung mga problema na inaharap natin?
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Q2. Mayroon silang bagong programa sa Philstar.com ang title, Why Naman? Para bakit ganito? At tinitinan natin kung systemic ba yung mga problema na inaharap natin?
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Q3. Mayroon silang bagong programa sa Philstar.com ang title, Why Naman? Para bakit ganito? At tinitinan natin kung systemic ba yung mga problema na inaharap natin?
04:27.0
Q4. Congratulations sa Press1.ph dahil kasama ng Mindanews, kayo po yung latest members ng International Fact-Checking Network or IFCN. Ano ibig sabihin ito? Doon sa mga hindi familiar, ano ibig sabihin pagniging member ka ng IFCN? Katulad ng Vera Files at Rappler?
04:50.0
Alam nyo dito sa Pilipinas, pwede natin sabihin na tatlo lang originally yung nagkocontact ng fact-checks na may accreditation.
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Ito yung scene of good housekeeping when it comes to fact-checking. So ano yan, IFCN basta-basta, you are subjected to a vetting process. Mayroon silang mga assessors sa bawat bansa.
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Then the assessors will examine your... well you have to submit a narrative and documents including financial documents. Then they will assess if your organization is committed to transparency, funding especially at tsaka kung transparent ba yung methodology mo, do you allow corrections, honest corrections at tsaka dapat non-partisan ka.
06:00.0
Doon sa huling ground ng IFCN applications, pinalad naman tayo na ma-approve ng IFCN Board of Justice along with the Indonesia.
06:17.0
So nadagdagan na yung mga accredited fact-checkers sa Pilipinas. Dati si La Chinlang, si Vera Files at si Rappler. Of course they did a good job. Kaso I think you will agree with me naman.
06:29.0
Sobrang dami ng, sabi nga ni Yvonne Chua, firehose of misinformation tapos dalawa lang yung nagpo-fact-check. Well actually may ikatlo yung AFP, yung Agence France-Presse Manila Bureau.
06:43.0
Although ang application nila is the head office.
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Nakiris lang ako, hindi pa naman ito yung formal na start ng discussion. Kahit sino pa pwede mag-apply dyan? Kaya yung ibang mga sobrang gagaling na mga news organizations, pwede rin ba mag-apply dyan?
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Kaya SMNI, di ba nagka-fact-check din yata sila. Pwede ba sila mag-apply dyan? O kaya Manila Times, yung mga magagaling. Pwede rin ba dyan?
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Bakit mo masyadong pinupuntiray ang dalawa na yan?
07:16.0
... Manila Bulletin, Philippine Star, PhilStar.com, PDB4. Pwede ba sila dyan?
07:26.0
May ors mo ko doon sir. Pwede pwede naman pero lahat yan dadaan sa vetting process.
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Yan kasi yung mga tinitingala natin yung mga news organizations ang gagaling doon. In no particular order. So pwede mag-apply pala?
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Kapag ikaw na-approve, ang tawag sa iyo verified signatory ka. So ibig sabihin you are a signatory to the IFCN Code of Principles when it comes to fact-checking.
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So dapat doon sa Code of Ethics, Code of Principles ng IFCN, agree ka doon. E kung maraming kasamang items doon, kailangan non-partisan ka.
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Kailangan may commitment ka sa fact-checking, hindi pwede kung kailangan ka sinipag. Di ba may mga cards na kailangan maintain?
08:11.0
Piliin ko lang gusto ko fact-check ang opposition kasi banas lang ako. Di pwede. Bawal yan Chin?
08:20.0
Isa sa principle is non-partisanship. Kung nagkataon lang talaga. Di pwede yan.
08:30.0
Alam mo, nung nakaraang election cycle, alam mo kung sino ang pinagmala ng maraming misinformation.
08:38.0
Hindi alam, hindi obvious yan.
08:40.0
It might create a misimpression. O ba't puro sila ang pina-fact-check? E kasi maraming misinformation doon.
08:46.0
Pero hindi naman ibig sabihin na kapag ang kabilang panig ng political fence, may misinformation, hindi na namin.
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Of course it will be subjected to the same fact-checking.
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Q&A
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But may kita naman natin, kahit debatable in a way kung nag-employ sila ng misinformation and disinformation, definitely nag-benefit ang administration, even the previous administration from ganitong wrong information.
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There were many times during the campaign where they had the chance to confront it. Kahit si Taliano Gold, they had the chance to confront that or they had the chance to say na hindi totoo.
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But what their camp said basically is wala kaming alam dyan. So kung doon pa lang, wala naman silang ginawa para ma-counter ang misinformation and disinformation that benefited them, medyo malabo na yan.
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So yung tanong na pinaka-umangat sa akin, similar kay Jonathan, parang anong gagawin ng mag-implement ng campaign na ito sa disinformation and misinformation that benefits yung Marcos administration?
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So yung isa na may kakaila ng marami, like for example itong mga nakaraang trips ni President to other countries, let's say for example yung trip niya sa Japan, yung isa sa mga nag-viral, i-discuss rao ni President Marcos ang Taliano Gold sa Japan na hindi totoo pero anong gagawin about it ng mag-implement ng campaign?
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So yung isa na may kakaila ng mag-implement ng campaign on that.
12:07.0
Teka bago tawagin si Epe, naalala ko lang. Meron kayong findings yung Verifals before the elections na ang nag-benefit the most sa mga fake information na kumalat was the group or the campaign of then presidential candidate Bongbong Marcos. Tama ba Celine?
12:24.0
So hindi lang actually nung elections, nagsimula ang Verifals ng fact-checking, 2016-2017, nung panahon ni Duterte, si Duterte yung biggest beneficiary pero si Marcos yung second. Tapos nito nung nag-approach tayo ng mag-election year, si Marcos and the family na yung biggest beneficiary.
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Out of hundreds of fact-checks.
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Ikaw Epe, may credibility ba itong administration na ito para pangunahan ng isang kampanya kontra sa miss at disinformation?
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They have to address that first. Unang-una medyo nababahala ako sa kanilang step 1. Sabi nila step 1 would be to help people identify reliable and credible sources of information.
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So is the PCO going to canonize certain sources of information as legitimate? So by what warrant are they going to do that?
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So based sa pronouncement ng PCO, sabi nila they will have active collaboration with the private sector, including stakeholders of the broadcast industry. I want to know who else is going to be part of that effort.
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Sa tingin ko kung gagawa ka niyan, hindi yan pwedeng only a few groups will be involved. It has to be all stakeholders concerned. Otherwise walang credibility.
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Sa background ba nila? Kaya ba nilang i-convince nila?
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I don't think so. On their own I don't think so. So they have to involve not just the broadcast industry. Natataka ako ba doon sa statement nila walang academe for example. Walang academe. Walang let's say NUJP. Bakit hindi kasama ng NUJP or groups of journalists?
14:39.0
Baka naman nagmamadali kayo. Baka naman pinaplanja pa. Kayo naman eh.
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Dati nilang pinaposted eh.
14:47.0
Okay. O sige Jonathan may sinasabi ka?
14:51.0
Yun din kasi. Napaka-vague ng announcement na yun. Actually very weirdly worded siya. May mga binangay na bad news. Kaya ang hirap din mag-react. We don't know what that will really mean.
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Of course ayaw natin ng misinformation. Of course ayaw natin ng disinformation. Of course gusto nating critical mag-isip yung audience natin. Pero in the context of a PCO na basically a public relations arm ng palasyo, ng pamahanaan, what will that mean?
15:23.0
Will that mean for example na certain sources of information are dangerous or certain sources of information are parang automatically fake news? Kasi sasabihin nila panila lang yan sa gobyerno. That sort of thing.
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And we've seen this happen hindi nang sa previous administration. Tsaka recently sa DEPED, noong opening of classes may mga nakaupong sa SILI at sabi ng DEPED, hindi ano yan, fake yan. Ito na nga, photo nga eh.
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May nakikita ba kayo worrisome dito? Kasi tinitingnan ko nga yung statement. Mayroon silang tatlong target dito sa gagawin nilang pag-aaral nationwide.
15:57.0
Yung binanggit niya ng AP kanina, aalamin kung sinong reliable sources of information. At the same time may identify nila yung pinaka pinanggagalingan at nagpapakalot ng mga fake information.
16:08.0
Tapos pangatlo yung vulnerable sectors or communities. Okay naman lahat on paper. Pero doon tayo sa identification of peddlers of fake information. Ano may nakikita yung dangerous dito?
16:38.0
That is how the PCO will react. So meron bang reporting? And then who will vet? So is it going to be an out scene, multistakeholder down scene? I think these are questions that need to be asked.
17:09.0
I agree kasi parang maraming actors dyan eh. Yung mga vlogger pero counted rin dito yung mga nag-amplify ng misinformation at disinformation. Di ba magiging ano rin to? Parang magsusnowball siya into a bigger problem.
17:31.0
Kasi ano gagawin nila doon sa mga nagpe-peddle nga ng disinformation? Di kaya magiging ano to? Way? Parang mag-introduce rin ng legislation to address this? E parang yun nga yung ayaw natin diba?
17:45.0
Kasi yung pag nagkaroon ka ng anti-fake news law, pwede siya gamitin mo against anybody who the government will describe or identify as someone who peddles fake news or disinformation.
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So angay mo yung mga intended at unintended consequences? Jonathan? In fact may bills in both chambers of congress, nag-hearings na yung iba. Pweding papunta nga doon. At yun ang mahirap, who is to say, misinformation? Who is to say?
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... Or kung ano ang body yan, medyo delikado talaga. Siguro dagdag ko lang din kung ang study ay to look at sources of misinformation, disinformation. Meron na existing studies niya na si Jonathan Ong at sila ni Kurt Curato. So maybe kasama sila sa magiging study na ito. Pero hindi naman binanggit. But I'm hoping at least may ganun."
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Q1. At itutuloy ito ng administration kasi meron pa silang planong Media Literacy Summit. Ano ang gusto niyo makita? Siyempre gobyerno sila, halal sila ng tao. Hindi natin sila mapipigilan sabi ni Celine. Kung sakaling ituloy man nila yan, what would you like to see in that initiative against fake information?
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Q1. At ituloy ito ng administration kasi meron pa silang planong Media Literacy Summit. Ano ang gusto niyo makita? Siyempre gobyerno sila, halal sila. Kung sakaling ituloy man nila yan, what would you like to see in that initiative against fake information?
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Q1. At ituloy ito ng administration kasi meron pa silang planong Media Literacy Summit. Ano ang gusto niyo makita? Siyempre gobyerno sila, halal sila. Kung sakaling ituloy man nila yan, what would you like to see in that initiative against fake information?
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Q2. At ituloy ito ng administration kasi meron pa silang planong Media Literacy Summit. Ano ang gusto niyo makita? Siyempre gobyerno sila, halal sila. Kung sakaling ituloy man nila yan, what would you like to see in that initiative against fake information?
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Q2. At ituloy ito ng administration kasi meron pa silang planong Media Literacy Summit. Ano ang gusto niyo makita? Siyempre gobyerno sila, halal sila. Kung sakaling ituloy man nila yan, what would you like to see in that initiative against fake information?
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Q2. At ituloy ito ng administration kasi meron pa silang planong Media Literacy Summit. Ano ang gusto niyo makita? Siyempre gobyerno sila, halal sila. Kung sakaling ituloy man nila yan, what would you like to see in that initiative against fake information?
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Q2. At ituloy ito ng administration kasi meron pa silang planong Media Literacy Summit. Ano ang gusto niyo makita? Siyempre gobyerno sila, halal sila. Kung sakaling ituloy man nila yan, what would you like to see in that initiative against fake information?
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Q2. At ituloy ito ng administration kasi meron pa silang planong Media Literacy Summit. Ano ang gusto niyo makita? Siyempre gobyerno sila, halal sila. Kung sakaling ituloy man nila yan, what would you like to see in that initiative against fake information?
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Q2. At ituloy ito ng administration kasi meron pa silang planong Media Literacy Summit. Ano ang gusto niyo makita? Siyempre gobyerno sila, halal sila. Kung sakaling ituloy man nila yan, what would you like to see in that initiative against fake information?
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Sabi tayo kailangang baguhin na maging pamingiwala. I hope yan talaga ang mayayari, hindi siya convenient to say dahil Women's Month, parang pwede iangkas doon ang supposed campaign.
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