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It's Friday, March 17 in Manila.
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I'm Karen Davila giving you the head start for the day.
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Our guests for Hot Copy today,
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we have Dr. Victor Limlingan
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of the Christina Research Foundation.
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As we discuss the push for an expansion of voucher programs
04:12.7
in the education sector.
04:14.6
And later on, we have Sharon Aledo
04:17.0
of the Maritime Industry Authority.
04:19.4
She'll be joining us to talk about the sunken tanker
04:22.6
that caused the massive oil spill in Oriental Mindoro.
04:27.0
Was it even authorized to sail?
04:29.4
But first, the headlines.
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Today's big stories.
04:33.8
Philippine lawmaker Arnulfo Tevez Jr.
04:36.6
plans to appeal the denial of his request
04:39.5
for an extension of his leave of absence
04:42.2
at the lower house.
04:44.7
The widow of slain governor, Ruel de Gamo,
04:47.6
meanwhile, slams Tevez
04:49.5
for delaying his return to the Philippines.
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And Manila's justice secretary says
04:55.4
the sunken oil tanker in Oriental Mindoro
04:58.5
was made from a scrap ship.
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The camp of Philippine lawmaker Arnulfo Tevez Jr.
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confirms his request for a two-month leave of absence
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was denied by House Speaker Martin Romualdez.
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His lawyers plan to appeal the denial.
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Tevez, who's currently abroad,
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is facing criminal complaints
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and is being tagged in the killing
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of Negros Oriental governor, Ruel de Gamo.
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In view of all the reckless accusations
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that he's guilty,
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that's one of his considerations.
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And that's what they say,
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why is he hiding if he's not guilty?
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The criminals in his life are not being hidden.
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Speaker Romualdez has given Tevez
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a chance to appeal his request
05:54.2
Speaker Romualdez has given Tevez until March 30
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to come home and report for work.
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Slain governor Ruel de Gamo has been laid to rest
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Thursday amid tight security,
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Jose Carretero reports.
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Supporters of slain Negros Oriental governor,
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as he is brought to his final resting place.
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De Gamo and eight others were killed by gunmen
06:23.8
on March 4 in Pamplona Municipality.
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de Gamo's remains were brought
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to the St. Vincent Parish Church
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for a requiem mass.
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Many supporters of the governor went out
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to bid their final farewell.
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The governor's widow,
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Pamplona Mayor Janice de Gamo,
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did not hide her dismay
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over the request of Negros Oriental
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third district representative,
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Arnolfo Tevez Jr.
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for a two-month extension
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of his leave of absence.
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One of the suspects mentioned
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a certain Cong Tevez
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as the alleged mastermind,
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but no charges have been filed
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against the lawmaker
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in connection with the deadly attack
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in the town of Pamplona.
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is facing several complaints
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over a string of murders in 2019
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and the recent recovery
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of firearms and explosives
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from his properties.
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She also doubts the lawmaker's statement
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that he fears for his safety
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as his excuse to delay
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his return to the Philippines.
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The mayor hopes those
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who killed her husband
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will finally be caught.
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Uy, first time kong narinig yan.
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Takot din pala siya sa security.
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those who killed her husband
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will finally be caught.
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Rain fell before the mass ended
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as if the heavens swept
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for the slain governor.
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his remains were brought back
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His final resting place
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is inside the compound.
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The funeral service
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was live-streamed
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Now that the governor
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Mayor de Gamo said
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they will prepare
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the documents needed
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for the ongoing investigation
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on his assassination.
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On hot copy this morning,
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we put the spotlight
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on the education system
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with our guests advocating
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between the public
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and private sectors
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through voucher programs.
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Dr. Victor Limlingan
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of the Christina Research Foundation
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is with us this morning.
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Thank you for joining us,
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Thank you for having me, Karen.
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Sir, let's talk about
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the educational voucher system.
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Is this new in the Philippines?
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I mean, let's talk about this.
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It came about because
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when 8-12 was implemented
09:26.2
and there were two additional
09:28.2
years of schooling,
09:29.8
the problem is that
09:31.0
the Department of Education
09:33.5
did not make a provision
09:34.9
to accommodate the student.
09:36.6
So out of necessity,
09:37.8
they started issuing vouchers,
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meaning those students
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who cannot be accommodated
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in the public schools
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because of overcrowding
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were given vouchers
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to enroll in the private schools
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so that they will be accommodated.
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So the private schools
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were paid by the government
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to teach the students.
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So it's been with us
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since 2010, I think.
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And sir, is it successful?
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Have all these vouchers,
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have they been distributed?
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Are students using it
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all over the Philippines?
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They have been successful.
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There's been a survey
10:25.7
by the social weather station
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The problem is that
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sometimes the voucher
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to cover the full tuition.
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So that there are,
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I know in working
10:45.4
with the city of Antipolo,
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the problem of the
10:51.6
was that the vouchers
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to cover the full tuition.
10:55.8
So they were not used, no.
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Okay, so they weren't used.
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I know you are with
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the Christina Research Foundation.
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So let's give an overview
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What does the Christina
11:09.0
Research Foundation do
11:11.0
in relation to these
11:12.2
education vouchers,
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which I'm presuming
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from the government
11:17.6
because the government
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had a budget, right,
11:19.8
for these education vouchers
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of your foundation?
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Well, our foundation
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is concerned with
11:31.0
doing some research
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And we got involved in this
11:35.0
because of, as you know,
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the dismal performance
11:40.1
I don't know if you are aware
11:41.7
that, for example,
11:42.7
in the PISA study,
11:48.7
countries in the team study.
11:51.0
This is the trend
11:52.1
in mathematics and science.
11:54.3
We're number 64 out of 64.
11:57.5
In the study done,
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all of these findings,
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we are the lowest
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in Southeast Asia.
12:05.3
We are even behind
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Cambodia and Laos.
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So I really, you know,
12:11.2
was quite disappointed, no?
12:14.9
The only silver lining,
12:17.8
by Dr. Pahed Orbito
12:19.4
says that if you segregate
12:22.4
of the private schools
12:24.5
from the public schools,
12:25.9
our private schools
12:27.0
are doing very well.
12:28.2
They are back on the average.
12:30.1
The one that is doing
12:31.3
a very poor performance
12:33.2
is really the Department
12:36.8
the voucher serves two things.
12:38.5
First, it solves the problem
12:41.8
in the public school.
12:45.8
to better level of education,
12:48.0
no, to our students.
12:51.9
So that's why we've been
12:53.0
advocating for vouchers.
12:55.1
But I know that this is
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only a temporary solution
12:58.4
because the big problem
13:00.2
is the quality of education
13:03.0
that is being given
13:04.2
by the Department of Education.
13:06.8
You have to understand
13:11.0
88% of our students
13:13.0
are in the public school
13:15.4
in the private school.
13:17.9
all the surveys have shown
13:19.9
that the students
13:21.0
in our public schools
13:22.0
are not doing very well.
13:23.7
The voucher is a temporary
13:25.7
solution by having
13:27.7
a bigger percentage
13:30.7
in the private schools.
13:31.8
But we have a big problem
13:34.8
our basic education.
13:40.0
of the president,
13:42.6
he even apologized
13:45.1
for failing our children.
13:48.8
Now, if we talk about
13:49.9
the whole education sector,
13:51.4
that's a whole other program.
13:53.4
One show isn't enough
13:57.0
to the education vouchers,
13:58.8
with just what you mentioned,
14:01.0
so as of right now,
14:02.2
would you have the number
14:04.1
of how much in total
14:07.5
are the education vouchers
14:09.7
budgeted for a year?
14:13.0
how much is the education voucher
14:16.1
budgeted per student?
14:18.1
So we have an idea right now
14:20.2
if the education voucher budget
14:22.6
is actually practical
14:26.2
Well, the good news is
14:28.9
the budget for vouchers,
14:30.7
officially it's called GASPE,
14:32.5
meaning Government Assistance
14:34.8
to Students and Teachers
14:36.2
in Private Education.
14:37.7
The budget last year was 28.
14:40.5
The vice president
14:41.8
increased it to 48 billion.
14:47.5
That was for last year.
14:49.1
But for this year,
14:50.0
it was increased to 43 billion.
14:55.0
That has a good effect.
14:56.5
The other good effect
14:57.8
I'd like to mention
14:59.0
is that the local government
15:02.6
have come in to help.
15:04.6
Just like in the COVID,
15:05.7
the local government is very involved.
15:08.2
Example is Mayor Inárez of Antipolo.
15:12.7
he found out that
15:15.0
because of the pandemic,
15:16.6
a lot of the parents
15:18.6
private education anymore.
15:20.0
So they transferred
15:22.8
to the public schools.
15:24.3
Naturally, the public schools
15:26.9
They were going into two ships
15:28.8
and the private schools
15:32.4
they were going bankrupt.
15:34.1
So he actually called a meeting
15:38.1
for which we were invited.
15:41.5
the Department of Education
15:43.8
and the private schools.
15:46.3
And the Department of Education said,
15:48.0
yeah, we have a lot of unused vouchers,
15:50.2
but it's only for the amount
15:53.4
And the tuition is around 30,000.
15:55.8
So right then and there,
15:58.8
Mayor Inárez said,
16:00.7
this is what we will do.
16:02.3
We will go to all those students
16:04.1
who went to the public school,
16:05.4
give them full scholarship
16:07.4
to return to the private school
16:09.0
where they came from.
16:10.6
This will be financed
16:11.7
one third by the vouchers.
16:14.2
One third will be financed
16:15.6
by the city government of Antipolo.
16:18.6
And one third will be financed
16:19.9
by the private schools
16:21.1
because the private schools
16:22.2
will be assisted.
16:23.7
So in exchange for getting this award,
16:28.8
And this will be implemented
16:30.6
this coming school year.
16:31.8
And that was what I'm hoping
16:33.6
will be happening
16:34.5
in all other cities.
16:37.4
But with that new system,
16:40.7
because of the way I understand it is
16:43.0
the budget for the education vouchers
16:45.7
So that's a good thing.
16:47.0
It's now at 43 billion.
16:49.5
it's not enough for everyone
16:50.9
in the private school
16:51.7
to transfer to the public school,
16:54.2
to transfer to a private school.
16:55.8
And the private schools
16:57.1
can't accommodate that anyway.
16:59.3
So number two per student,
17:01.1
the budget is only 9,000 per voucher, right?
17:07.2
The voucher varies
17:08.8
depending on, for example,
17:11.1
like it's high in Metro Manila,
17:13.6
it goes as high as 21,000.
17:16.1
But then there are,
17:17.4
for example, that 9,000,
17:22.0
if you are a student
17:24.0
in the public school
17:25.2
who came from the private school
17:26.6
and want to go back.
17:27.5
I don't know why it's only 9,000.
17:35.6
I'm curious what your ideas are.
17:38.0
Instead of, let's say,
17:39.5
one third education voucher,
17:41.4
one third local government,
17:43.7
and one third coming
17:44.8
from somewhere else, right?
17:46.7
Because what happens
17:47.7
is for a student,
17:49.8
yes, and the private school,
17:51.6
what happens then
17:54.2
there are too many sources
17:55.6
you're relying on,
17:56.6
which can get kind of stressful
17:59.3
if you're a parent
18:00.2
coming from a lower
18:01.4
social income class.
18:05.0
wouldn't it be more practical,
18:08.7
if this is the way it's done,
18:12.7
you get the top students
18:14.6
in this public school,
18:16.8
and the full voucher
18:20.9
to certain private schools,
18:23.3
and it's already full tuition.
18:24.9
You don't have to rely
18:25.8
on the local government, etc.
18:27.9
So the local government
18:29.0
can focus extra resources
18:31.7
to the public school
18:33.0
in its district or area.
18:36.9
I'm in the public school
18:39.8
and I'm in the top 10 of the class,
18:45.9
to a private school.
18:47.2
Instead of dividing
18:51.5
can't the voucher
18:54.1
be given to the child
18:56.6
and then transferred to,
18:57.5
let's say, Ateneo?
18:59.5
Something like that.
19:00.6
Yeah, this is the thing
19:03.1
with the local government.
19:04.7
They have their own.
19:05.5
I understand, for example,
19:07.8
in Dipamantasan ng Pasig.
19:10.0
with a different scheme.
19:12.0
Makati is a different scheme.
19:13.6
I think they will rent
19:15.4
school facilities
19:16.3
and have their own.
19:19.1
no universal solution.
19:20.7
It is custom made.
19:22.4
With respect to Antipolo,
19:24.2
Mayor Henare said,
19:26.6
we will package the deal,
19:28.4
and then we will offer it
19:30.4
so that the parents
19:31.8
do not have to go
19:32.6
to three sources.
19:34.2
We will actually go to them.
19:36.4
he instructed his staff
19:39.1
getting into contact
19:40.2
with the students
19:41.6
because he has already
19:42.9
reached an agreement
19:43.7
with the private schools.
19:45.5
The private schools
19:48.0
will choose among themselves
19:49.8
who was represented
19:50.8
was the president,
19:55.4
that it's difficult
19:56.6
always to come out
19:57.5
with a national solution.
19:59.9
That's why I like
20:01.3
working with the government.
20:02.5
In fact, I am proposing
20:04.6
to the Secretary of Education
20:07.7
to have a tripartite agreement
20:10.0
between the Department
20:12.6
the local government,
20:13.8
and the private school.
20:14.8
The private schools
20:16.0
have a consideration
20:18.5
and they have expressed
20:20.7
to actually partner
20:22.1
with the Department
20:23.6
and local government.
20:24.5
So everybody is on to that.
20:30.4
Now, with respect
20:31.4
to the bigger problem,
20:33.7
I don't know if you're aware
20:34.8
that there is EDCOM 2.
20:37.7
that we are going
20:40.6
with this problem
20:41.8
because, for example,
20:45.8
in the National Achievement Test,
20:50.2
Education Development Program,
20:52.1
our poverty learning rate
20:57.4
90 percent of our people
21:00.2
are not educated.
21:02.2
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:06.2
we all know that already.
21:07.6
I mean, we've seen the statistics,
21:09.1
we've seen the studies.
21:10.6
I want us to focus
21:11.7
on how we can maximize
21:14.0
the education vouchers
21:15.4
in the Philippines.
21:17.4
the way you're sounding
21:19.5
you are very happy
21:21.3
with Vice President
21:23.6
and Secretary Sara Duterte.
21:27.4
You see her as being more open
21:33.2
in terms of the use
21:34.5
of the education voucher system.
21:39.1
So at the very least,
21:41.7
your new education secretary
21:45.0
and engaged with the situation.
21:48.1
During the last administration
21:51.2
when this was implemented
21:55.7
the education voucher system
21:58.6
was not fully maximized.
22:01.0
not everything was used.
22:03.1
That's right, right?
22:04.6
The budget for the education vouchers
22:08.7
So that was P23 billion.
22:10.8
Not everything was spent.
22:14.5
So that's my concern.
22:17.4
Why wasn't it spent?
22:19.4
So could it be possible
22:20.9
that instead of budgeting
22:23.3
P9,000 per student,
22:26.7
of the students in tuition?
22:29.0
Let's say if the tuition is P40,000.
22:31.7
Why didn't they give
22:33.0
and voucher all of that?
22:35.4
Because the worst thing
22:36.4
that's happening is
22:37.9
instead of wanting to strike
22:39.4
a balance of all students,
22:42.6
the money is not spent at all.
22:45.0
So that's my question.
22:47.2
Well, I have some, again, good news.
22:48.8
In fact, this has attracted
22:53.0
the attention of our legislators.
22:57.6
there are four bills
23:00.1
that have been filed
23:02.1
on the voucher system
23:03.2
or as we call the Gaspelo
23:05.1
where they are coming out
23:06.3
with all of that.
23:08.6
The congressmen who filed it,
23:10.2
there were four bills
23:11.1
but filed by five congressmen.
23:14.6
Congressman Romulo
23:15.8
is the chairman of the bill.
23:17.0
He has his own bill.
23:18.7
Then there were bills filed
23:19.9
by Representative Ruth Mariano Hernandez,
23:24.2
and then there's a joint filing
23:26.2
by Representative Ieda Marie Romualdez,
23:29.6
the wife of the speaker.
23:32.7
For example, in the proposed bill
23:35.2
of Ieda Romualdez,
23:39.4
they proposed to give a subsidy
23:41.2
also to the school teachers
23:42.5
because the problem is
23:44.1
the salaries of the teachers
23:46.9
in the public school
23:47.7
is much higher than the salary
23:48.9
in the private schools.
23:51.4
there are a lot of bills
23:52.7
and there's a lot of discussion on that
23:55.5
and we participated in that.
23:57.8
So a lot of things are moving.
24:05.6
This is all good.
24:08.7
That's the heartening thing.
24:10.4
Everybody recognizes the problem
24:12.2
and everybody's trying to do
24:13.5
something about it.
24:15.5
These are all good.
24:17.5
The problem in the education sector
24:19.9
in the Philippines,
24:21.0
frankly speaking,
24:21.9
is a lot to carry
24:23.8
for one administration even.
24:26.2
This is a generational issue we've had
24:28.9
but it still doesn't answer
24:33.4
now there's 43 billion pesos.
24:38.5
so all the 43 billion pesos is spent?
24:43.8
because it depends on the profile
24:46.6
also of a family.
24:50.4
Like even if there's 9,000 vouchers,
24:52.9
if I can't send it to the private school
24:56.6
for other reasons,
24:58.7
they will remain in the public school.
25:01.3
So what I'm asking is,
25:06.1
a more practical utilization
25:08.5
of the 43 billion.
25:10.5
So instead of having,
25:12.3
let's say 20 million kids
25:14.6
go to a private school,
25:16.4
you'll have 10 million kids
25:20.8
That's what I'm asking, sir.
25:22.5
Is there a change in this system
25:25.4
so there's nothing left
25:28.1
in the 43 billion?
25:30.2
Well, I have to say that
25:32.1
I have my limitations.
25:35.7
It's very complicated.
25:37.2
The only other thing
25:39.4
about modifying the voucher
25:41.1
is that a lot of it
25:42.5
goes to high-income companies,
25:46.4
because in terms of helping the poor
25:51.2
the question really,
25:52.3
do you help the brightest
25:53.9
or do you help the poorest?
25:55.9
My bias is to help the poorest.
25:58.4
For example, in the...
26:00.1
With the education voucher,
26:02.2
they should be given to the poorest
26:04.6
rather than to the brightest.
26:07.2
Because that is the function of government
26:10.2
is not to help the brightest
26:13.0
but to help the poorest.
26:16.2
Because the government
26:18.1
is supposed to provide
26:20.4
That's why we have this.
26:22.5
But then if it also goes to the poorest,
26:26.0
9,000 won't be enough
26:28.6
because if you go to a private school
26:31.0
you and I know that, Doc,
26:32.8
there are so many other issues at play, right?
26:36.6
It's not just the tuition.
26:37.8
I mean, even for a student,
26:41.7
So shouldn't it go to both
26:45.0
the poorest and the brightest
26:46.6
and also the brightest
26:47.8
in the public school?
26:49.1
Because in other words,
26:50.6
you are raising the bar
26:53.6
with the Filipino nation as a whole.
26:55.8
That's what's happening.
26:57.5
So then the government to...
27:00.2
You'll have a smaller class size in government
27:03.2
and they'll be able to focus more
27:05.5
on children in need, scholastically.
27:09.0
What are your thoughts?
27:12.0
this is a very big debate
27:13.6
because it's a question.
27:17.5
I have to admit that
27:19.4
my preference is for the poor, no?
27:22.6
In fact, in Pamantasan,
27:25.7
we had this same issue,
27:27.4
Pamantasan ng Pasig,
27:29.1
because they said,
27:29.9
well, we got about 4,000
27:35.8
who are qualified,
27:37.4
but we only have slots for 2,000.
27:39.8
So they were going to allocate it
27:41.3
on the basis of grades.
27:44.4
I said, what we should do
27:45.8
is we have bias for the poor.
27:47.9
So long as they meet the minimum standard,
27:50.2
we should give the voucher
27:51.7
or the slots in the free education
27:56.5
Because that is what...
27:58.1
But Doc, when you say the poorest,
27:59.8
because you are putting together
28:01.3
the word poor and high grades,
28:05.1
you can be the poorest
28:06.4
and have really high grades.
28:07.5
Oh yeah, that's the idea.
28:10.6
But are you saying
28:12.3
that you want to be the poorest,
28:14.6
but also scholastically lacking?
28:18.5
Because if it would depend,
28:21.1
I would have to say,
28:21.8
because I'm a mother,
28:23.5
if you start with the poorest,
28:25.9
but they're in preschool
28:28.2
and scholastically lacking,
28:29.9
it can be chased to private school.
28:34.0
But let's say grade 5,
28:36.1
you get the poorest,
28:37.4
but scholastically behind,
28:40.2
the child is pitiful.
28:41.9
It can't be chased to private school.
28:45.6
So instead of the child shining
28:49.0
and being fulfilled
28:50.2
and using the voucher well,
28:52.9
the child won't be able to cope
28:55.4
and may even fail.
28:57.2
So I think the poorest is a given.
29:01.7
The education voucher is because
29:04.3
people cannot financially afford.
29:06.5
So that's a given.
29:08.2
But I think the question is,
29:10.4
do you want to give it
29:11.4
to the poorest and the brightest
29:13.6
or the poorest and average?
29:16.2
Or are you telling me
29:18.0
you want the poorest
29:19.1
and scholastically behind?
29:22.0
That's, I think, where we are.
29:24.4
I think that's my personal view.
29:26.3
But what I want to stress
29:28.2
is the person who should make
29:29.9
the decision will be
29:31.6
the local government officials.
29:33.7
What they feel is good
29:35.5
for their community.
29:37.4
I don't think we should be
29:38.9
making that decision.
29:40.1
Because I have my own...
29:40.8
You don't believe the school
29:42.0
should be making the decision?
29:44.5
The local government.
29:46.6
The local government.
29:47.8
Because they have a school board.
29:51.0
Each of the municipalities
29:52.5
have a school board.
29:54.2
The ones who come out
29:55.2
with all of these policies.
29:56.6
But then, I'm sorry.
29:58.6
I mean, I'm so engaged
29:59.9
in this discussion.
30:00.9
I hope you like this.
30:03.9
Anything education,
30:05.4
I welcome on Head Start.
30:09.2
why would it have
30:10.2
a different standard?
30:11.6
When any parent applies
30:14.2
their kid to a private school,
30:17.0
the private school
30:18.2
has its own standard.
30:20.1
So why should the local government
30:22.2
dictate to the private school
30:25.6
So I understand the regulation.
30:28.1
What you said, right?
30:29.8
That's a private school, sir.
30:31.9
That's the government.
30:33.5
That's the government.
30:35.3
So they accept education vouchers?
30:41.0
It's run by the city of Pasig.
30:44.0
And everything is free there.
30:46.8
But then that school
30:48.4
should not need education vouchers, correct?
30:52.8
So that's not the example.
30:55.4
Let's give a basic example
30:57.4
of any private school.
30:59.2
Let's say in Quezon City.
31:02.9
Well, let's say for
31:05.4
multiple intelligence,
31:06.9
it's a big school.
31:08.5
It's a great school.
31:09.7
So that's a private school, right?
31:13.4
Shouldn't a private school,
31:16.0
it could be Ateneo, Miriam,
31:18.6
shouldn't the student
31:22.0
with the education voucher
31:24.5
still pass the standard
31:27.1
of the private school?
31:33.3
the Department of Education
31:36.5
different kinds of private school
31:37.9
with different levels of standards.
31:41.9
whenever you're accepted.
31:43.4
Then you apply for the voucher.
31:47.2
So ang tanong ko nga sa inyo,
31:50.5
na let's say yung batang ito,
31:52.7
mahirap siya taga public school,
31:55.7
pero kaya niya mag-Ateneo.
31:58.2
Ateneo should be mandated
32:00.5
to accept the education voucher in full.
32:03.8
Pero imbis na 9,000 lang po
32:07.4
ibigay na yung buong 40,000.
32:10.6
But the good news is
32:12.2
I know of a certain person.
32:14.0
Her name is Haya.
32:15.7
She was given a full scholarship.
32:18.2
She's the daughter of a jeepney driver.
32:26.2
She was given a full scholarship.
32:33.7
When it comes to the brightest,
32:35.5
I believe that the private schools
32:38.2
have it in their interest
32:39.7
to give the scholarship
32:40.8
because the bright student
32:42.5
enhances the prestige.
32:43.9
I absolutely agree.
32:46.6
But these private schools
32:48.0
can't give 100 scholarships.
32:51.4
Let's go back, Doc,
32:52.5
to the education voucher,
32:55.1
the use of the voucher.
32:57.6
So ang tanong ko nga,
32:58.7
do you still want it to remain 9,000 per child?
33:04.2
So kasi 43 billion na po ang pera eh.
33:07.5
So let's say hindi brightest yung bata.
33:11.2
Mid lang siya sa klase.
33:14.4
Pero gusto na po niya mag-private?
33:16.5
Iyon ang tanong ko.
33:18.4
Kasi di ba niya angkinin yung buong 40,000
33:21.9
na tuition sa isang private school
33:25.3
or sa Makati or anywhere.
33:27.7
Pero education voucher
33:29.7
ang magbabayan po lahat nun.
33:33.0
That's what I would like.
33:35.4
For me, that would be the best.
33:38.5
Pero hindi po ganun ngayon.
33:41.0
The system is not working that way.
33:43.2
I really don't understand
33:44.9
how they decide on the amount
33:46.5
and who they choose to do that.
33:48.7
I'm just happy that it exists.
33:52.0
But then the problem is it exists
33:55.1
but the model is not spent.
33:59.5
That's what worries me
34:01.5
because in government,
34:03.4
the aim of making the budget a year
34:06.7
is it should all be spent, right?
34:09.8
I mean, if you make a budget,
34:11.7
it should all be spent.
34:13.9
So if you have unspent education vouchers,
34:19.4
then there's a flawed model, right?
34:25.9
You cannot be perfect.
34:28.1
you cannot let the perfect
34:29.5
be the enemy of the good.
34:31.0
What we want is perfection.
34:32.8
But I'm happy with the good.
34:36.1
So ano po ang mensahe ninyo
34:38.6
in case the office of the vice president
34:42.7
And she is passionate
34:44.5
about the education vouchers,
34:47.2
Well, I was hoping that she would come up.
34:54.3
I propose a tripartite partnership
34:57.0
consisting of the Department of Education,
34:59.3
the League of Mayors,
35:02.6
Because this is very timely
35:04.4
because the next school year
35:05.6
is coming in August.
35:07.4
And if we don't do anything,
35:08.8
there will be again overcrowding
35:11.5
two seas and three ships.
35:14.6
That's why Mayor Inárez took the initiative
35:17.7
I want this to be in place by July.
35:21.1
Because when August comes in,
35:23.6
there will be not a lot.
35:24.6
So now there is an urgency
35:26.8
to come up with this tripartite agreement
35:29.8
because we need it
35:31.0
so that it will be in place
35:32.9
by the next school year,
35:34.7
which is in August.
35:36.6
This is March, no?
35:38.2
But we have to act fast.
35:43.0
I want to thank you,
35:43.8
Dr. Victor Limlingan
35:45.4
of the Christina Research Foundation.
35:47.9
This was such a lively discussion
35:50.3
and I'm really curious what happens.
35:53.5
You can come back on the show, sir,
35:55.1
if you have the tripartite meetings
35:57.2
and we can discuss it.
35:59.4
It's a very good program to advocate, sir.
36:03.3
Thank you for having me.
36:04.7
Yes, you take care, sir,
36:06.2
and you stay healthy.
36:10.0
We're gonna take a quick break and start.
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to recovery because we have
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relaxed some of our
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quarantine methods
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and we have allowed more
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transportation to come out.
38:10.2
That's going to prove to be better
38:12.2
for demand. If we do follow
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the health protocols, the ability
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of people to move around will likely
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contribute better to growth.
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40:55.0
Welcome back to Head Start.
40:56.5
A scrap ship turned into an oil tanker.
40:59.5
That's how Philippine Justice Secretary Jesus Crispin Remullia
41:03.5
described the sunken MT Princess Empress
41:06.5
that caused the oil spill in Oriental Mindoro.
41:10.5
Dennis Dato reports.
41:14.0
New findings on the sunken MT Princess Empress
41:17.5
which caused an oil spill in Oriental Mindoro.
41:20.5
Justice Secretary Boeing Remullia says
41:24.4
the tanker was not a brand new vessel
41:26.4
as initially claimed by the owners
41:28.4
but was actually a rebuilt scrapped ship.
41:31.4
Mayroon misrepresentation
41:33.4
sa Sinumulat, Sapol
41:35.4
noong nangyari itong kasong ito.
41:39.4
Noong unang meeting namin noong Sabado
41:41.4
ang bitaw pa sa amin ng salita
41:43.4
na sinabi lang nila sa Coast Guard
41:46.4
ay bagong bago itong barkong ito
41:48.4
at hindi pa na siya bago.
41:57.3
Una nirebuilt para maging
42:01.3
tapos nirebuilt na naman
42:03.3
pinahaba para maging tanker.
42:07.3
they have an affidavit executed
42:09.3
by a witness to prove this.
42:13.3
there were already gale warnings
42:15.3
last February 27.
42:17.3
February 28 madaling araw
42:19.3
sinabihan na sila
42:22.2
ano ang karagatan
42:28.2
pero hindi repinase
42:30.2
tumuloy pa rin sila.
42:32.2
Meanwhile, the Philippine Coast Guard accompanied
42:34.2
members of the media to the location
42:36.2
of the sunken vessel
42:38.2
to let them witness firsthand
42:40.2
what's being done to contain the oil spill.
42:42.2
The Japan Coast Guard disaster relief team
42:44.2
also participated
42:46.2
in the said activity.
42:48.2
Aside from the oil spill booms
42:51.0
within the area, workers
42:53.0
from Malayan Towage and Salvage Corporation
42:55.0
who were tapped by the vessel owner
42:57.0
continue to spray dispersants.
42:59.0
According to them,
43:01.0
they can collect 10-20 liters of thick oil
43:05.0
They are also applying a technique taught by the
43:07.0
Japan Coast Guard to easily break apart
43:09.0
thick oil deposits.
43:11.0
Ang inadvised daw po nila
43:13.0
yung tugboat, sa nakita niyo po
43:19.9
sa oil, sa likod po nila
43:27.9
mabulabog po yung oil
43:29.9
habang ginagamit po nila
43:31.9
yung water canyon.
43:33.9
Nakakatulong yung pag-spray ng tubig
43:35.9
para panipisin niya
43:37.9
yung makakapal na
43:41.9
and mas madali siyang
43:47.9
kaya yun yung use nitong
43:49.9
water canyons natin.
43:51.9
Ang paggamit ng dispersant ay yun yung
43:53.9
last resort natin
43:55.9
as much as possible. Ang gusto natin gawin
43:57.9
ay i-recover yung
44:07.9
and then yung manual na
44:11.9
dun sa mga na-collect natin gamit ang
44:15.9
The waste continue floating into the waters
44:17.9
and have already expanded up to
44:19.9
5 kilometers. If not
44:21.9
collected, this may soon reach the shores.
44:23.9
According to Philippine Coast Guard,
44:27.9
liters of oily water
44:31.9
sacks of contaminated materials
44:33.9
have been collected from the sea
44:35.9
and over 1,300 sacks
44:37.9
and 22 drums of contaminated
44:39.9
waste from 13 barangays in
44:43.9
Philippine Coast Guard disaster team meanwhile
44:45.9
allows the effort exerted by the Philippine Coast Guard
44:47.9
to contain the oil spill.
44:51.9
acknowledge that these measures
44:55.9
PCG and the Philippine authorities
44:57.9
have been contributing
45:01.9
the damage from this
45:05.9
On Thursday morning, a substantial amount of
45:07.9
oil spill was detected in
45:09.9
Herrera Village in Daohan Town
45:11.9
while traces of oil were found
45:13.9
along the shores of Situ Tujud.
45:17.9
ABS-CBN News, Oriental Mindoro.
45:21.9
And joining us now is
45:23.9
Attorney Sharon Aledo of the
45:25.9
Maritime Industry Authority
45:27.9
or MARINA. Attorney Aledo,
45:29.9
good morning to you. Good morning
45:31.9
to all, Madam Karen. Good morning to your followers
45:35.9
Alright, what has been
45:37.9
discovered so far? So number one,
45:39.9
Justice Secretary Crispine Remulia
45:43.9
MT Princess Empress
45:45.9
was actually made
45:47.9
from scraps. Let's start with that.
45:51.9
Actually, Madam Karen, for our records,
45:55.9
Certificate of the Philippine Registry
45:59.9
MTanker Princess Empress
46:01.9
year built is 2022.
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Okay, and would you know if it was built from
46:09.9
what we are investigating at the moment.
46:13.9
two separate investigations ongoing.
46:15.9
We have a safety investigation we call
46:17.9
Marine Casualty Investigation.
46:19.9
This is pursuant to the IMO
46:23.9
Marine Casualty Investigation Code
46:25.9
the purpose of which
46:27.9
is to determine the
46:29.9
probable root causes or potential
46:31.9
causes of the incident and it's
46:33.9
for the purpose of making
46:37.9
no similar occurrences will
46:41.9
And another administrative
46:43.9
inquiry, it's an internal probe.
46:47.9
fact-finding team to look
46:51.9
of these certificates.
46:53.9
Of course, our processes in
46:55.9
Marina using our circulars,
46:59.9
already started, Madam Karen.
47:01.9
The fact-finding team
47:03.9
has convened and they already have
47:05.9
a fact-finding plan.
47:09.9
personnel from the regional office
47:11.9
five have already
47:13.9
been transferred to the
47:15.9
central office and have already been called
47:17.9
to this fact-finding inquiry.
47:19.9
Okay, so I understand
47:21.9
there is an inquiry but let's
47:23.9
make the public understand,
47:25.9
would that be a violation of the law
47:27.9
if let's say the ship
47:33.9
In general, Madam Karen,
47:35.9
I think as per the
47:39.9
and the statement
47:43.9
Remulia, they are
47:45.9
determining the criminal
47:47.9
liability of the ship owner and the
47:49.9
other people involved in the construction
47:51.9
of the ship. Of course,
47:53.9
they cannot be precluded to
47:55.9
conduct such investigation.
47:57.9
However, for Marina,
47:59.9
ours is an administrative
48:01.9
investigation as we only have quasi
48:07.9
curious as a whole, would it
48:09.9
be a violation of the law
48:13.9
vessel to be put together
48:15.9
by scrap material or
48:17.9
it's allowed by law?
48:19.9
Is that allowed by law?
48:23.9
cargo ship or a vessel
48:27.9
if it's put together by scrap
48:37.9
for instance, and machineries may be
48:39.9
reused. And we have
48:41.9
may be reused to form
48:45.9
We have policies in
48:47.9
Marina to that effect. So it doesn't
48:49.9
necessarily follow, Madam Karen,
48:51.9
that if for instance
48:55.9
other machineries are reused,
48:57.9
they are made out of
48:59.9
scrap materials already or the
49:01.9
ship would be made out of scrap materials.
49:03.9
Okay. Thank you for that. So that's
49:05.9
important to note. Thank you, Atty.
49:11.9
Princess Empress,
49:13.9
it was actually given
49:15.9
the green light, of course, and it
49:17.9
was called to be seaworthy for
49:19.9
it to actually transport
49:21.9
hundreds of thousands
49:23.9
liters of fuel, correct?
49:27.9
the safety documents of
49:31.9
tanker vessel are in order,
49:37.9
previously in other
49:41.9
a ship, before it can operate,
49:43.9
has to have both a safety
49:45.9
and trading documents. In this
49:47.9
particular case, although
49:49.9
the company, RDC, Marine
49:51.9
Materials Services Incorporated,
49:53.9
has a valid company CPC,
49:55.9
this vessel, M-Tanker
49:57.9
Princess Empress, has not yet been added
49:59.9
to the company CPC
50:01.9
through a CPC amendment.
50:03.9
Okay. So what does that mean?
50:05.9
So the particular vessel doesn't
50:07.9
have a license to be
50:09.9
a trading vessel?
50:13.9
Madam Karen. It's still undergoing
50:15.9
application for CPC
50:17.9
amendment. We call this
50:21.9
2014 amendments. So technically the company broke the law
50:27.9
particular vessel to transport the
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fuel? There is a violation
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and it will be determined after due
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governing law in this particular case,
50:39.9
which is the Domestic Shipping Development
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interesting here is Rappler came out
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with a story last March
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under Rappler's, I have to note
50:53.9
Rappler because they were the ones that
50:55.9
actually published this story,
50:57.9
is Rappler claims it
50:59.9
was a subsidiary of San Miguel
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Shipping and Lighter Age Corporation,
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which is SL Harbor
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Bulk Terminal Corporation
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that chartered the
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company to ship the 800,000
51:11.9
liters of fuel. So
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under the Oil Compensation Act of
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charterer can't be made
51:19.9
to pay for the pollution damage, right?
51:21.9
Because they just chartered
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the vessel. Do you, is this
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understanding? That's correct. That's correct
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Ma'am Karen. Under the
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Oil Pollution Compensation
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Act of 2007, the charterer
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is not held liable.
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So is the charterer
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in any way responsible
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for choosing the vessel?
51:43.9
So let's say if you're
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transferring 800,000 liters
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of fuel, is it the charterer's
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if all the documents of the vessel
51:53.9
are in place, if it's
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number one, it's seaworthy, and
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number two, if it has trading
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permits as you had just mentioned?
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Should they have checked?
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They should have exercised, I mean
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generally, Ma'am Karen, they should have exercised
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due diligence in this regard.
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as I've said... Because now the issue is
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Philippine environment,
52:25.9
it's quite surprising that this
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company, for example, which
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doesn't seem to be a very large company
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based on the reports that have come out,
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and yet the damage
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to the environment is
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punishing them with like, for
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example, just revoking
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a permit, that's nothing compared
52:47.9
to the damage that the
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Filipino people would have to endure
52:51.9
for generations, and the
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the question really is, who's accountable?
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accountable? Ma'am Karen,
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as I said, as far as
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I'm concerned, we're conducting already
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the administrative inquiry even on the private
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parties, the ship owners,
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the naval architects involved
53:15.9
in the construction,
53:17.9
the marine surveyors, and even
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we have also summoned the
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Classification Society in this particular
53:23.9
case. However, as you have said,
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and I of course lament
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on the force of our affected
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communities in Oriental Mindoro, Antigua,
53:35.9
and also Palawan.
53:41.9
no decision to determine the liability
53:45.9
We only received direct information from
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the ship owner's representative that the
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loading port was SL Harbor
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Terminal Corporation in Limay.
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But we received no
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records of any charter contract
53:59.9
as these are not requirements
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for the amendment of CPC of the
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So what can happen, Attorney Aledo,
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The company is already
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called and in fact the hearing started
54:15.9
Are they still plying routes? Are some of their
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other vessels still plying?
54:19.9
I mean, there's no suspension at all
54:23.9
They're not grounded in any way?
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The ship safety certificate
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of that particular tanker
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has already been suspended
54:31.9
recently after the incident.
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seafarer's record book
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and the officers of the crew's
54:39.9
seafarer's record book and other licenses
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have been suspended.
54:43.9
They have been called.
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I'm sorry to interrupt,
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that you'd have to suspend that particular
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tanker because it's underwater,
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There's no point of that
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tanker. The issue is the company.
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So I'll give you an example.
55:03.9
When Cebu Pacific crashed,
55:05.9
I remember before,
55:07.9
the whole fleet was
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What about this shipping line?
55:15.9
vessels do they have?
55:17.9
How many vessels do they have?
55:21.9
there is another tanker vessel.
55:27.9
Two more vessels.
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They just own three.
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We have to check the records
55:33.9
since the registration
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marina regional office.
55:41.9
Shouldn't already there be
55:45.9
all the vessels coming from that company
55:47.9
in the spirit of fair play?
55:49.9
It's happened before.
55:51.9
In big emergency transport.
55:55.9
has grounded the whole fleet.
55:57.9
That's happened in the
55:59.9
past. Why do they
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have vessels still running?
56:05.9
already conducted
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tanker vessels of the company
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and of course also all other
56:13.9
tankers operating nationwide.
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of this company only.
56:21.9
a clarificatory hearing held yesterday,
56:27.9
like what you said that has happened in the past
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concerned company herein
56:37.9
was already discussed
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it's going to be possible.
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fleet of that company will be
56:47.9
temporarily grounded?
56:51.9
we have yet to determine
56:53.9
as of today, but the hearing yesterday
56:55.9
was with Marina NCR office
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received information that
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that possibility was also discussed.
57:09.9
two weeks, right?
57:13.9
What would you consider the action?
57:15.9
Do you believe that you're on time?
57:19.9
could be given at a much faster
57:25.9
on our part, of course,
57:27.9
as regards to oil spill
57:29.9
cleanup, it would be the Philippine Coast
57:31.9
Guard that is in charge.
57:37.9
we have been following
57:39.9
this. At the moment of the
57:41.9
sinking, our enforcement service, which is
57:43.9
in charge of conducting the safety investigation
57:45.9
as I've mentioned earlier,
57:49.9
own personnel and of course
57:51.9
the ship owners and the other
57:53.9
key people involved in the construction
57:55.9
and also in the vessel plans
57:57.9
have already been called and
57:59.9
I think we are on time on our actions
58:01.9
taken and we hope to expedite
58:03.9
matters as we would like also
58:05.9
on our part to go to the bottom of the matter.
58:07.9
All right. On that note,
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I want to thank you, Attorney Sharon Aledo
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of Marina for joining me today.
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Thank you, Ma'am Karen. I'm happy
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to be in your show. Thank you for having me.
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All right. I hope you do come back.
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That's Head Start today.
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I'm Karen Davila. Have a good weekend.
58:25.9
Thanks for watching. Stay informed
58:27.9
and stay with ANC.
59:15.9
Mobility will be key
59:17.9
to recovery because we have
59:19.9
relaxed some of our
59:21.9
quarantine methods and
59:23.9
we have allowed more
59:25.9
transportation to come out.
59:27.9
That's going to prove to be better
59:29.9
for demand. If we do follow
59:31.9
the health protocols, the ability
59:33.9
of people to move around will likely
59:35.9
contribute better to growth.
59:45.9
Thank you very much.
