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Good morning Stanley at good morning sa ating lahat. Thank you po.

All right now the Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency chief is taking back his claim of illegal drugs recycling saying it is not true

that there is no such thing as recycling illegal drugs seized as an incentive to informants.

Now what do you make of this story?

Well, that story came out from him and ngayon binabawit niya.

It goes to show that system is not really existing as an institutional practice ng PDEA.

But maybe if it is true, it is being practiced by siguro very very few ng mga rogue PDEA operatives.

All right. Senator Dela Rosa, something like this, taking it from PDEA chief Morovil Hilyolaso,

who first said this was possible and then of course he took it back. Will this warrant an investigation?

Yeah, we have already started our investigation. In fact, maybe that taking back of his statement is already a manifestation

that he realized due to our investigation that it is not really being practiced.

Because we have already started one session, one hearing. So narinig niya from the mouth of his predecessors,

three of his predecessors, former director general of PDEA, the system in place and all the practices that is being observed

in the anti-drug operations of the PDEA. Maybe that's why he recalled his statement.

All right. Will some form of administrative sanctions be available perhaps for Chief Lasso regarding this incident?

I don't think it will warrant administrative sanctions against him because he was just being truthful.

Sinabi lang talaga niya that somebody approached him and offered to him a project like that.

Then he told the people. He didn't really say that it is being practiced.

Yung informant niya alagsabi, bali pinasa lang niya yung information.

Pati hindi niya sinabi na first-hand information niya na talagang may nangyayaring ganoon na practice.

Sabi lang niya, according to his informant, that practice is being, is a kalakaran in the PDEA.

Hindi naman talaga siya alagsabi. Pinasa lang niya. So we don't have to shoot the messenger in this case Stanley.

Okay. Now as you mentioned, it's kalakaran, possibly in the lower ranks.

To your knowledge, how did the PDEA chief press the informants who claimed they were seeking a 30 percent cut in kind as a reward for providing information?

And perhaps, how does the agency usually deal with these sort of indecent proposals?

Well, call mo na yan. The decision making mo na yan.

Kung talagang if you want to gusto mong diinan yung informant na yan, then pwede nga.

You have to force him to cooperate with the government and gawin mo siyang whistleblower in that case para lalabas na talaga katotohanan.

Otherwise, binubula ka lang nitong informant na ito. At kung hindi ba nito nabubula, matagal na pala itong namimihasa sa ganito practice.

He has to answer for what he has done, particularly pag ganito practice. This is really illegal.

But you know, in intelligence operations, particularly anti-drug operations, mahirap. Mahirap yang gagawin mo.

Otherwise, you can no longer recruit informants pag ganoon na gagawin mo. Alam mo na, yung ganyang cooperation, it requires yung trust between the action agent and the handler.

Senator de la Rosa, in your years of experience in law enforcement, is this really a possibility? Is this happening?

I mean that tipsters can make demands like this one. And perhaps, is there any effort now on the part of your investigation to really get to the bottom of this, reach out to those tipsters, if anything, to discover possibilities that this is going on, at least in the lower ranks?

That is why I encouraged Director General Moro Lazo. I told him during the hearing, prudence dictates that you have to do this, sir. It is incumbent on your part, being the Director General of PDEA, once that information reaches you, you have to act on that.

Sabi ko, huwag mo dapat pabayaan yan. Paloapin mo, balikan mo yung informant na yan at paloapin mo talaga para malaman natin ang katotohanan. Dahil nga, it will cast doubt on you pag walang mangyari, may dumating na information sa'yo na ganoon, it is clearly illegal, din dapat gawin mo.

And you know, not all operations ng PDEA are through that means. Sabi nga, explained nga ni former PDEA chief General Wilkes Villanueva that hindi siya tumatanggap na ganoon mga informant dahil alam niya mga dubious character yan.

Ang karamihan yan ay double agent. Kumikita na bihing membro ng sindikato, pinapatira niya ang sindikato na yan. At the same time, kumikita siya sa gobyerno na nakahuli ng sindikato.

So kung itong mga tao na matagal na gumagawa ng ganoon, namimiyasa, napakalaki ang role nila sa drug problem ng ating bansa. Sabi ni Wilkes Villanueva, dapat ang ginagawa nila sa operations ay intelligence-based talaga na ang nag-propagate, nag-develop ng information ay yung PDEA agent mismo talaga.

At ang informant, yan nga. Yung informant na yan, masyadong reliant ka doon, sila na ngayon, babaligtad na ang role. Imbis ang agent-handler, ang PDEA agent, ang handler ang magkontrol ng action agent. Ang nangyari ngayon, itong action agent na na-informant ang nagkontrol sa handler.

Kasi sila na nag-de-demand ng 30%. Susunod-sunod na lang ang handler. Gusto niya maka-accomplice, baka talagang pagbigyan niya ang gusto ng itong role ng informant na ito. So dapat ganoon ang nangyari. Intelligence-driven by the agent, hindi by the agent. Not doon sa informant na hindi magiging double agent."

On the integrity of PDEA, but how do you make sure that this kind of negotiations do not happen in the lower ranks? Are there any processes within the organization that serves as a vetting mechanism or a checking mechanism to make sure that incidents like these do not happen?

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Hindi naman ito sabay-sabay pumapasok doon sa area dahil nga nasa likuran itong witness dahil i-secure mo na ang area. So kung meron silang nakasuot na body-worn camera, this is a pull-from, hindi ito matatamper ang recording nito, nakikita lahat ng movement ng mga agents doon sa loob.

All right. Lastly, Senator De la Rosa, before we let you go, just one question. It's been a year since President Duterte is out of office. How do you assess the drug campaign under the Marcos administration? Do you see improvements or even deterioration?

I don't want to comment on that. Mahirap mag-compare kasi iba-iba yung strategy na ginagawa nila. Iba yung strategy ng panahon ng Duterte, iba rin yung strategy sa panahon ng President Marcos.

It will be self-serving on my part being a part of the Duterte administration kung i-compare ko. Bahala na kayo mag-assist yan. Bahala ng taong bayan mag-assist. Basta para sa akin, itong bansa na ito, hindi ito titino kapag hindi kamay na bakal ang gagamitin mo dito.

All right. On that note, we thank you so much for joining us, Sen. Bato de la Rosa, Mayim Buntag. Mayim Buntag, Stanley, at sa ating mga tagapakinig.