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“PASIG IS PINK”, LENI & ROBIN PADILLA
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English Summary of Video (AI):
- Recap of the historical context relating to March 20, 2022.
- Reflection on the large turnout for Lenny Robredo's rallies.
- Discussion of why some supporters may not believe she truly lost the election.
- Analysis of the level of support and activism for Robredo compared to other candidates.
- Evaluation of post-election political engagement and strategies.
- Commentary on sustaining political movements and enthusiasm beyond election periods.
- Examination of opposition politics and the importance of continual democratic participation.
- Consideration of the Angat Buhay organization and grassroots movements.
- Speculation on potential future political developments, including Robredo's possible Senate run.
- Highlighting the need for a strong opposition for a lively democracy and the potential return of mobilization by 2024 or 2025.
- Mention of conducting an interview with OG Diaz and the appeal of various content on the host's media channels.
- Call for channel support and subscription to continue to produce diverse and interesting content.
- Emphasis on the importance of maintaining momentum in politics for achieving transformational change.


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One second lang guys ayusin lang natin para sigurado.
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Ayan magsimula tayo. Ito na, ito na.
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Okay, let's go.
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Ayan na, ayan na. Kamusta kayo dyan mga kameta?
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Talagang ito ha. Ang bilis talaga ng panahon.
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Ang bilis talaga ng panahon mga kameta.
00:37.0
Isang taon na pala since yung makasaysayan na araw na kahit si Ariana Grande ay napatweet, diba?
00:46.0
Pati si Ariana Grande, yung mga global celebrities na nakapansin ito.
00:51.0
Of course, exactly a year ago, ito po yung March 20, no?
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If I'm not mistaken, March 20, 2022.
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Paka, ano ha? May paka-Zalora, may paka-Shopee ha.
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Puro mga 2-2-2.
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Ito sa March 20, 2020.
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So, some of the supporters, at least some of the supporters of the previous Vice President have been questioning.
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Where talaga siya yung natalo?
01:57.0
And perhaps, I would say, one big reason, aside from the fact that marami, of course, meron trust issues sa ating sistema.
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Like, surprise, surprise.
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The other reason that my sense is marami sa ating mga kababayan at marami sa mga supporters ni Ma'am Lenny Robredo, VP Lenny Robredo.
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Isang malaking dahilan na siguro hindi sila naiwala na natalo talaga siya is because of the unprecedented number of people coming out.
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We're talking about hundreds of thousands of people, mga kameta.
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Siguro, the last time we saw anything like this, hindi po ito yung mga rally ni Tatay Digong.
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Yung mga rally ni Tatay Digong, kahit yung meeting de avance niya, parang hindi kasing laki na ito.
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I mean, I think the numbers suggest that ibang level po, ibang level po, yung numbers na nag-attend.
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Hindi lang dito sa Pasig is Pink, pero dun sa mga ibang rallies.
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Not to mention yung meeting de avance din ni Lenny Robredo noong 2022 elections.
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Of course, tayo po, bilang isang vlogger, bilang isang analyst, pumunta tayo sa iba't-ibang meeting de avance.
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Hindi lang kay Lenny Robredo, pinuntaan ko rin yung unit team, kay Sarah Duterte, and also kay Bongbong Marcos.
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Of course, to be able to get a proper view of things, to be able to more objectively analyze what was going on.
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So, kita niyo naman, I try to be as objective as possible.
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At makita niyo naman, I always talk about the merits and demerits of each side.
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Although, of course, I never buy into false equivalence.
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So, going back to this mga kameta, based on our own personal observation, based dun sa mga aerial view, aerial shot, drone shot.
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Based dun sa mga trending online, on Twitter, based dun sa mga commentaries, based even dun sa mga numbers.
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Some would even say deflated numbers na lumabas from authorities, Philippine National Police.
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We're talking about huge number of people. May paka-million strong feel yung mga rallies ni Lenny Robredo.
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And as I say, dito mo talaga ma-realize, ang bilis ng panahon mga kameta.
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One year na pala since that special day.
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And of course, we know that after that day, sunod-sunod, every weekend, or every week at least,
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we have this huge statements of support by Lenny Robredo's partisans, if I can put it that way.
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And hindi lang sa Metro Manila mga kameta, sa iba't ibang panig ng, hindi lang Pilipinas, but mundo.
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Nakikita natin na maraming mga supporters ni Lenny Robredo ay lumalabas at nagpapakita ng support sa kanya.
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So, I just want to go back to this mga kameta because marami sa atin, unfortunately, may tendency.
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May tendency na, hindi naman makalimot, pero, how should I put it? Ganito na lang.
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Okay, so, ito yung hypothesis ko. I won't say theory.
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Of course, yung isang dahilan na siguro yung iba.
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Well, isang dahilan is because, sa aking palagay, marami sa atin, tinatrato ang demokrasya,
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essentially as, you know, democracy is when there's elections.
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So, ang tendency po ng karamihan ng ating mga kababayan is magiging super active or relatively more active
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noong panahon ng elections because we kind of, you know, we kind of create this one-to-one correspondence
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between democracy and elections.
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So, isang dahilan is because we treat democratic politics in a cyclical manner.
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The other reason, of course, is, let's be honest, sobrang toxic na yung politika natin
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over the past few years especially. I mean, let's just be brutally honest about it.
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Especially since nanalo si dating Pangolong Digong noong 2016, ibang klase na yung mga politika natin.
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I can say personally, grabe yung mga trolling na ginawa sa atin.
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Grabe, may mga death threats, may mga kabastusan kung anong ginawa sa atin.
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Pero, of course, tayo naman, alam mo naman, alam mo naman, alam mo naman, mga kafuego.
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Hindi tayo magpapano sa mga ano na yan, diba?
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Mga respect my opinion na lang tayo, right?
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So, mga kameta, alam natin, napaka-toxic.
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So, the other tendency is that when people are plugged in sa ating politika but very temporarily
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because yung tolerance level po ay hindi pa rin nandyan, diba?
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So, syempre, yung mga katulad natin, yung mga kafuego natin dyan, medyo matigas ang ulo, medyo matapang, kaya-kaya.
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Yung iba nga sa atin, binabanat pa yung mga nagbabash, diba?
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So, ako, personally, I enjoy bashing the bashers kasi alam naman natin yung mga bashers na yun.
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Alam mo naman, diba? Karamihan yung mga yan. Ayaw ko na i-bash yung mga yan.
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Alam nyo na, tingnan nyo lang profile picture pa lang, parang,
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Kuya, te!
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Te!
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Gusto mo lang ganito, te!
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Assuming totong tao pa.
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Anyway, mga kameta.
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So, naiintindihan ako.
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So, number one reason is many of our people tend to treat politics,
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I mean, treat democratic politics in a cyclical manner.
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Especially presidential elections, every six years, doon lang natin nakikita na next level ang tao.
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And of course, we have the two etsas.
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You can also count etsa tres.
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Although different socioeconomic class and background.
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The second reason, mga kameta, is because super polarized yung politics natin.
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So, marami sa ating mga kapababayan, as I said, they're plugged in but very temporarily.
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Because, yun nga, nakaka-stress, diba?
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Mahirap na nga ang buhay.
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Ang daming drama sa buhay.
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Ang daming ano, tapos ito pa.
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Kailangan ko pa kausapin si OG Diaz.
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Kailangan ko pa, mayroon pang drama si Liza.
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Ayun na.
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Maraming drama sa buhay, diba?
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So, kung maraming drama sa buhay, of course, syempre yung energy mo, limitado lang.
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Kailangan mo magtrabaho.
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Kailangan mo kumita.
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Kailangan mo yung mga marites.
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Yung mga katrabaho mo.
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So, sa daming stress sa buhay, marami sa ating sinasabi na,
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Well, there's just so much I can take.
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So, the tendency is we have transitional or transient.
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Transient activism.
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But the third reason, mga kameta, sa aking palagay,
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na maraming hindi nakamove on dun sa resulta ng last elections,
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is because, mga kameta, lalong-lalo na yung mga nakakita.
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Whether in person, whether through social media,
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or katulad natin, both,
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nakita nila, grabe, ang daming tao lumabas.
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I mean, dik naman naman yung mga pictures, mga kameta.
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Hindi ito yung mga katulad ng mga, alam mo, mga unity,
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mga respect my onion type.
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Hindi ito mga onion na, hindi ito mga sibuyas.
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Hindi ito mga, ano, yayamanin na red sibuyas.
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Diba?
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It is not the red sibuyas.
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It is the, ano, ha!
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You get what I'm saying?
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So, I think, marami sa ating nakakita nito,
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yung maraming tao na nagdagsan sa roads,
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nagdagsan sa mga boulevards.
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I mean, filled up whole boulevards, right?
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It's so impressive, at least visually,
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that this caught the attention of the world.
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Ariana Grande joined the chatroom.
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Diba?
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So, I think that's also one big reason sa mga kameta na
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marami hindi na naiwalan na
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bakit nanalo yung kabila tapos ang laki pa ng agwat?
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Halos doble.
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So, Lenny Robredo, you know, 25-30%,
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between 25-30% and then yung isa, almost 60%.
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Diba?
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So, marami sa ating mga kameta, including mga kameta,
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hindi na naiwalan sa resulta.
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Kasi sinabi niya, o bakit wala naman ganon si BBM, diba?
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O wala naman ganon si Sarah, diba?
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O bakit sila nanalo sila ng ganyong kalaki pa ng agwat?
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Diba?
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So, some would say the entire results are,
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again, these are allegations.
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Some would say the entire results are fabricated.
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Some would say that, yeah, maybe natalo,
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but it should have been much closer, etc., etc.
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So, there are a lot of theories about that.
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So, mga kameta, ako naman ang stance ko is like this.
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First of all, diba?
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First of all, of course, yung number of voters po natin
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ay what?
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At least eligible voters natin ay lampas sa 50 million.
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So, even if 1, 2, 3, even 5 million
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coming out throughout the months,
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that doesn't necessarily suggest that, you know,
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50 million are with Lenny,
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or 30 or 40 million with Lenny.
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Again, I'm just trying to, you know,
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I'm just trying to approach this in a scientific way, right?
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So, well, you could argue that this was just
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the tip of the iceberg,
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or some would say this is probably already half,
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or 20 percent, or 10 percent of the total support.
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So, 1 million or 2 million of us,
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15 million total vote ni Lenny,
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baka hindi totally unreasonable.
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That's one argument, no?
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Obviously, as I said, the counter argument would be
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this was just the tip of the iceberg.
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This was just the tip of the iceberg.
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Eh, yung kabila nga, ba't yung tip ng iceberg nila?
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You know, parang ganon yung argument, diba?
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Again, I'm just laying out the argument there.
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But what I'm saying is that,
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you know, these are,
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parang the idea of 1, 2 million coming on the street,
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and then getting 15 million in total,
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might not be totally out of this world also.
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I'm just saying, right?
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Now, the other thing we have to keep in mind is
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the surveys we're suggesting,
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and I'm talking about different kinds of surveys,
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not one survey, not two surveys,
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but different kinds of surveys,
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including surveys attached to very reputable agencies,
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reputable experts groups,
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people na kilala natin, na malapit sa ating puso,
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na kilala natin, colleagues natin,
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napakagaling na political scientists, statisticians.
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Well, they were also suggesting that,
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well, the actual numbers of the vote,
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you know, turnout for a specific person
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will be quite different from the enthusiasm
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we're seeing here, you know?
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So, flash in the pan,
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kumbaga, could be the counter-argument.
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Again, ha, or like the froth on top of the,
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you know.
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So, that was the other thing that we're looking at.
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But there's a third thing, mga kameta,
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that I want to emphasize here.
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Again, ha, please, you know,
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don't shoot the messenger,
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wag kayong mag-alit.
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The other thing we have to keep in mind, mga kameta,
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is that there was actually a difference
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in strategy of Lenny Robredo
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and strategy of Bongbong Marcos
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when it came to rallying support.
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So, yung style nila
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ng camp ni Lenny Robredo,
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the strategy was,
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ask your supporters to concentrate
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in certain area and send
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a very strong signal,
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or very strong visuals.
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While kung pansin nyo,
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si BBM mas mahilig sa motorcade.
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So, ang ginagawa ng campaign nila BBM
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was not to concentrate all of their supporters
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in a certain area,
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but actually motorgate through
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different provinces, etc.
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So, ang maging counter-argument na kabila is,
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you would think that konti
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yung support kay Bongbong Marcos
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because it's very well dispersed
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along the roads,
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along the, you know,
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mga iba't ibang panig ng ating bansa
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na motorgate ni BBM.
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So, in short, you could say
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one has a more horizontal approach,
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one has a vertical approach.
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So, horizontal in the sense that
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spread thin yung kay BBM
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going through motorgate different areas
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while kay Lenny's concentrated.
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So, suddenly you have this
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very, very impressive visual.
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This is the other thing
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that we have to keep in mind.
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The fourth thing we have to keep in mind,
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mga kameta, is
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while the support that came out for Lenny
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in a lot of these big cities
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tend to be the middle class
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of the Philippines.
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And, we know,
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the middle class in general
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is a minority.
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And then some numbers suggest that
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just a plurality or barely a majority
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of the middle class
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is actually sided with the opposition
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against the UNITEAM, etc.
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So, again, I'm not making
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a final judgment here.
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I'm just trying to
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help you guys understand
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yung lay of the land.
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And how statistically speaking,
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the way things turned out
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based on the final results
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may not be totally crazy or out of this world.
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But, nonetheless, of course, mga kameta,
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we need full transparency
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pagdating dun sa counting process, etc.
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At katulad ng pinag-usapan natin, mga kameta,
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last meeting,
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eto yung pinag-usapan natin last meeting,
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mga kameta,
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para sa akin,
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as much as we have to pay attention
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to downstream,
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meaning the vote count part,
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we also have to pay attention
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to the upstream,
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meaning yung mga allegations
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ng vote buying,
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meaning cheating that happened
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before the vote was even casted.
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And we know there's a lot of,
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well, at least allegations
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on that front,
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and there are a lot of groups
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who are saying that actually
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a lot of vote buying happened.
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So, you could question
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the entire integrity of elections
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from that point of view alone,
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even without going to the technicalities
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of the vote count,
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source code,
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logins, etc.
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All of this criticism
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that is coming from
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former ICT secretary
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and former AFP Deputy Chief
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General Rio Jr., for instance.
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So, I'm just trying to give you
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the lay of the land
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because ayaw natin maging,
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you know, I don't want to give
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just a biased, partisan point of view.
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I'm just trying to show you guys
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what are the arguments
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and counter-arguments here.
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But, again, as I said,
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politics is an emotional thing.
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Politics is a visual thing.
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Politics is a question of heart.
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Politics is a question of conviction.
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It's a question of aspiration and hope.
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So, kung ikaw ay nakapunta
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sa mga ganitong events,
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and when you saw so many people
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so passionate and enthusiastic,
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it's very understandable
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that your expectation
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would be very high.
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In the same way,
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if the expectation is very high,
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and then,
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the final official results
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were something na hindi tugma dyan,
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I can also understand
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while marami sa ating mga kababayan,
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I'm very disappointed
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yung marami dyan nadidepress,
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iba almost parang PTSD level na,
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na hindi nakakatulong,
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may palpitation,
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nasa stress,
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yung iba nag-denial mode,
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nag-faces of grief,
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et cetera.
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So,
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again, I understand it.
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And I understand it again
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because of this particular backdrop,
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of this particular context.
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Yun po yung pinag-usapan natin
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mga kameta.
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But nonetheless,
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what I really want to talk about
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mga kameta,
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huwag na yun sila
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Robin Hood and all.
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Next time na yan,
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parang magulo na masyado
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kung pinapapasukin ko pa
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si Robin Hood,
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mga et cetera.
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Mamaya na yan,
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kasi nagda-drama rin sila
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na mag-resign siya
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sa PDP Laban.
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Ilan na ba yung factions
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sa PDP Laban?
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Mag-faction na naman ulit
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kung hindi daw
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nagkaroon na constitutional change,
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et cetera.
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Pag-usapan kayo separately.
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I don't want to be
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the muddy waters.
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Mamaya na tayo.
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Mamaya natin pag-usapan natin
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mga constitutional experts natin.
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Specialty, of course.
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No, no.
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Let me go to this mga kameta
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because what I want to talk about
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is this.
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Remember yung argument ko
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nung panoon na yan.
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My argument back
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during the election was
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even if
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hindi manalo si Lenny,
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even if, no?
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Even if, let's say, okay.
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Even if legitimately tanggap nyo
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na hindi siya nanalo, alright?
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Or tanggap nyo na hindi siya
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legitimately nanalo.
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Okay, baliktalan natin.
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The point is,
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may big win
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si Lenny sa election na yan
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because she was able to
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mobilize so many people
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not for an ETSA revolution 1,
16:13.0
for an ETSA revolution 2,
16:15.0
but for an election.
16:17.0
Just the number of people
16:18.0
coming out.
16:19.0
The sheer enthusiasm,
16:20.0
the commitment,
16:21.0
the conviction
16:22.0
The people would go
16:23.0
door to door.
16:24.0
The activism.
16:25.0
The size of the campaign.
16:26.0
The level of volunteerism.
16:28.0
This is almost unprecedented.
16:30.0
We have not seen anything like that
16:31.0
in a very long time.
16:33.0
At least as far as
16:35.0
progressive, liberal, opposition
16:37.0
leaders and a campaign
16:40.0
is concerned.
16:41.0
So in spite of lack of budget,
16:43.0
lack of support,
16:44.0
in spite of all of the attacks
16:46.0
on Lenny Robredo
16:47.0
from not one but two camps,
16:49.0
if not three camps at some point,
16:51.0
Tatay, Isko, BBM,
16:54.0
lahat yung mga different camps nila.
16:56.0
They were all converging
16:57.0
against her.
16:59.0
Nakiusupan yung mga ibang candidates
17:01.0
at some point,
17:02.0
but gladly at least
17:03.0
hindi sumama si Manny Pacquiao
17:04.0
sa Kudus to Senator Pacquiao.
17:06.0
You know what I'm saying?
17:08.0
So my point is,
17:10.0
to be able to mobilize
17:11.0
that kind of enthusiasm
17:13.0
against the grain of
17:14.0
six years of authoritarian populism,
17:16.0
against the grain of
17:18.0
a lot of negativity
17:21.0
and toxicity and all.
17:23.0
Even worse,
17:24.0
that in itself was a victory.
17:26.0
But as I said,
17:27.0
mga kameta,
17:28.0
that's why binabalikan ko
17:29.0
itong issue na ito.
17:31.0
Because as I argued,
17:32.0
mga kameta,
17:33.0
as I argued repeatedly,
17:34.0
even after the election
17:35.0
over and over again,
17:36.0
it is important
17:38.0
to sustain momentum.
17:40.0
The word is sustain,
17:41.0
mga kameta.
17:42.0
It's one thing to generate
17:45.0
enthusiasm.
17:46.0
But for enthusiasm
17:48.0
to be translated
17:49.0
into political capital,
17:51.0
kailangan mo nang
17:52.0
isang kilusan.
17:54.0
Yun po ang challenge parati.
17:56.0
And yun yung argument natin
17:57.0
repeatedly last year,
17:58.0
mga kameta.
17:59.0
Sinasabi natin yan,
18:00.0
diba?
18:01.0
Doon sa mga article natin
18:02.0
na Lenny and the Future
18:03.0
of the Pink Movement.
18:04.0
Basayan nyo ulit.
18:05.0
Ang dami nag-share yan.
18:06.0
I think like,
18:07.0
siguro million ang views na ito.
18:10.0
23,000 share.
18:12.0
I wrote, I think,
18:13.0
three columns along these lines
18:16.0
on how the opposition
18:18.0
can still be a winner
18:20.0
regardless of what happens
18:21.0
in these elections.
18:22.0
So, I've been writing about this.
18:24.0
And I've also said na
18:26.0
the Philippines can always
18:27.0
replicate the progressive victory
18:29.0
in Latin America
18:30.0
if certain mobilization tactics,
18:33.0
certain charismatic leadership projection,
18:35.0
and charismatic leadership enlistment
18:38.0
would come into picture.
18:39.0
Yun yung parati natin
18:40.0
sinasabi, mga kameta.
18:41.0
Anyway, going back to this,
18:43.0
ang argument natin is
18:44.0
sana, mga kameta,
18:49.0
what we have
18:50.0
is a country kung saan
18:52.0
hindi lang may pakiantao
18:54.0
during elections period lang.
18:56.0
At hindi lang may pakiantao
18:58.0
kung nanalo lang
18:59.0
yung kanilang kandidato.
19:00.0
Even worse,
19:01.0
we have a situation sometimes
19:02.0
nanalo na ang kandidato nila
19:03.0
tapos nag-switch off na sila
19:05.0
sa politics.
19:06.0
In fact, in many ways,
19:07.0
yun ang parang sinabi ni BBM na
19:09.0
kami nang bahala,
19:10.0
pwede na kayo mumuwi.
19:11.0
Parang halos ganun yung sinabi niya
19:12.0
dun sa inauguration speech niya.
19:14.0
But that's wrong.
19:15.0
That's not how democracy works.
19:16.0
Democracy is about
19:17.0
active citizenship.
19:18.0
It is about
19:19.0
participatory politics.
19:21.0
You have to participate.
19:22.0
And democracy is not about
19:24.0
elections alone.
19:25.0
It's exactly what happens
19:26.0
after the ballot is cast.
19:29.0
You make sure na the election
19:30.0
had integrity.
19:31.0
You make sure you challenge
19:32.0
if wala integrative elections.
19:33.0
You make sure na
19:34.0
kung nanalo ang candidate mo,
19:35.0
you push your candidate
19:36.0
to really fulfill
19:37.0
his or her promises.
19:40.0
Kung nanalo naman yung
19:41.0
kabila, yung kalaban,
19:42.0
or someone that you believe
19:43.0
is a threat to democracy,
19:44.0
or a threat to your values,
19:46.0
or a threat to our economy,
19:48.0
our foreign policy,
19:49.0
then you also have to
19:50.0
mobilize for that.
19:51.0
At yun po yung parating natin
19:52.0
napansin, no?
19:53.0
Na medyo kapos tayo
19:54.0
pagtating sa ganun.
19:55.0
So, we're good in generating
19:56.0
enthusiasm.
19:57.0
We're good in generating
19:59.0
at least, you know,
20:00.0
a semblance of movement.
20:02.0
But we know very well,
20:03.0
mga kamayta,
20:04.0
if you want to create
20:05.0
isang kilusan talaga
20:06.0
para sa pagbabago,
20:07.0
a progressive movement,
20:08.0
which is what allowed
20:09.0
America to go from
20:10.0
super tropical populism
20:11.0
of the late 19th century
20:12.0
to relative democratic
20:14.0
activism and progressivism
20:16.0
of early 20th century.
20:17.0
So, I can give you examples
20:18.0
from all around the world.
20:19.0
Sabi nga nila, di ba,
20:20.0
you won't have change
20:21.0
unless you struggle for it.
20:22.0
And struggle is not
20:23.0
just a matter of one month,
20:24.0
two months, one week,
20:25.0
one big rally.
20:26.0
No, it's a matter of
20:27.0
sustaining it over months,
20:28.0
over years,
20:29.0
and sometimes decades.
20:31.0
That's how you get
20:32.0
real, real change,
20:33.0
transformational change.
20:34.0
Hindi lang yung feel-good moment.
20:35.0
Hindi lang yung pakit moment.
20:37.0
Hindi lang yung,
20:38.0
you know, that day of
20:39.0
amazing day,
20:40.0
picture, selfie,
20:41.0
and then forget about it
20:42.0
after six months, one year.
20:43.0
So, pinabalikan ko yung mga kamayta
20:44.0
because as I said,
20:45.0
the challenge here
20:46.0
is how to turn
20:47.0
that moment of enthusiasm
20:48.0
into an actual movement
20:50.0
for progressive reform.
20:52.0
So,
20:53.0
the jury's still out.
20:55.0
Some would say,
20:56.0
parang medyo kapos
20:57.0
in terms of
20:58.0
sustaining this momentum.
20:59.0
But the other side
21:00.0
of the argument
21:01.0
would say this,
21:02.0
pag malapit ng
21:03.0
2025 elections,
21:04.0
expect the mobilization
21:06.0
will happen.
21:07.0
Not perhaps
21:08.0
in 2025 per se,
21:09.0
but expect it perhaps
21:10.0
middle of next year.
21:12.0
Expect it by 2024,
21:13.0
there'll be moves made.
21:14.0
Especially if
21:15.0
Lenny Robredo
21:16.0
decides to run
21:17.0
for Senate.
21:18.0
And alam natin,
21:19.0
based on all of the
21:20.0
preliminary surveys
21:21.0
out there mga kamayta,
21:22.0
anlaki ng chance
21:23.0
ni Lenny Robredo
21:24.0
to become a Senator.
21:25.0
And should she
21:26.0
top the race
21:27.0
or emerge among
21:28.0
top three or top five
21:29.0
in the Senate race
21:30.0
for 2025,
21:31.0
who knows.
21:32.0
It could be anyone's game
21:33.0
by 2028.
21:34.0
Ngayon palang,
21:35.0
si Sara Duterte,
21:36.0
people are wondering
21:37.0
if she still
21:38.0
has the same
21:39.0
relevance,
21:40.0
or she still has
21:41.0
the same kind of
21:42.0
political momentum.
21:43.0
There is the
21:44.0
tulfo factor here,
21:45.0
which could really muddy
21:46.0
the water for that camp.
21:47.0
And that could create
21:48.0
a lot of new space,
21:49.0
including for
21:50.0
Lenny Robredo.
21:51.0
But,
21:52.0
the point is,
21:53.0
if that is the strategy,
21:54.0
if that were
21:55.0
the strategy,
21:56.0
rather,
21:57.0
of course,
21:58.0
there's a risk.
21:59.0
Again,
22:00.0
the risk is that
22:01.0
you are perpetuating
22:02.0
this cyclical approach
22:03.0
to democracy.
22:04.0
At the same time,
22:05.0
let's just be practical
22:06.0
and work with what we got.
22:07.0
It's not like those people
22:08.0
who showed up
22:09.0
sa mga boulevards na yan,
22:10.0
sa million-strong shows na yan,
22:12.0
ay diglang
22:13.0
nawala ng pag-asa lahat,
22:14.0
or nawala ng
22:15.0
enthusiasm.
22:16.0
A lot of them still have
22:17.0
a lot of residue,
22:18.0
or more than a residue
22:19.0
of love
22:20.0
and enthusiasm,
22:21.0
not only for Lenny,
22:22.0
but what Lenny stands for,
22:23.0
and people similar to Lenny.
22:24.0
So, the idea is that,
22:25.0
baka,
22:26.0
even in 2024,
22:27.0
ulit,
22:28.0
imobilize yung voters and all,
22:30.0
you can imagine
22:31.0
these people coming out.
22:32.0
But, of course,
22:33.0
you know where I stand.
22:34.0
For me,
22:35.0
sustaining momentum
22:36.0
is very important
22:37.0
in different ways.
22:38.0
Now, I heard that
22:39.0
one argument is that
22:40.0
yung Angat Buhay
22:41.0
organization in Lenny,
22:43.0
it's one way of keeping
22:44.0
at least the spirit
22:45.0
of solidarity
22:46.0
and progressive commitment.
22:48.0
But, my sense is
22:49.0
it has to go more than that.
22:50.0
There has to be, like,
22:51.0
really chapters made,
22:52.0
really organizations made,
22:53.0
really a lot of
22:54.0
grassroots movements made,
22:55.0
which is made up
22:56.0
of these very people
22:57.0
who showed up that day.
22:58.0
You know, warm bodies
22:59.0
on the street
23:00.0
showing their support,
23:01.0
not once,
23:02.0
not twice,
23:03.0
not multiple times.
23:04.0
At least 15 million people
23:05.0
voted for Lenny
23:06.0
in a very difficult,
23:08.0
under very difficult
23:09.0
circumstances,
23:10.0
in a very, very difficult
23:11.0
field.
23:12.0
I mean, you had not,
23:13.0
I mean, Lenny was not
23:14.0
against one person,
23:15.0
she was against two, right?
23:16.0
It was Sarah
23:17.0
and BBM combined.
23:18.0
Very, very difficult
23:19.0
circumstances.
23:20.0
And yet, and yet,
23:21.0
she was able to bring
23:22.0
all of these people.
23:23.0
So, for me,
23:24.0
I think this is gonna be
23:25.0
the debate right now.
23:26.0
Are we gonna wait
23:27.0
until 2024
23:28.0
to see whether
23:29.0
this was just
23:30.0
a transient thing
23:31.0
or there's more to it
23:32.0
or some would say
23:33.0
maybe there's already
23:34.0
something happening
23:35.0
you're just not appreciating
23:36.0
or others would say
23:37.0
eh, mukhang that was just
23:38.0
a, you know,
23:39.0
a flash in the pan.
23:40.0
Mukhang malabo na
23:41.0
na makakaroon ng
23:42.0
ganitong enthusiasm again.
23:43.0
But I don't know.
23:44.0
I think the jury's still out.
23:45.0
I think Lenny still has
23:46.0
a lot of,
23:47.0
a lot of
23:48.0
base,
23:49.0
a lot of support
23:50.0
and I think
23:51.0
if she learned
23:52.0
the right lessons
23:53.0
from the last elections
23:54.0
and if she runs for the Senate
23:55.0
and tops the race
23:56.0
or emerges amongst
23:57.0
the top 3 or 5,
23:58.0
we might see
23:59.0
a 2.0 version of this.
24:00.0
But all I'm saying
24:01.0
is that,
24:02.0
you know,
24:03.0
for a democracy
24:04.0
to be a real democracy
24:05.0
you need to have
24:06.0
a strong opposition.
24:07.0
And when it comes to
24:08.0
having a strong opposition
24:09.0
it cannot just be
24:10.0
near every elections
24:11.0
or just during
24:12.0
election period, right?
24:13.0
It has to be
24:14.0
through and true.
24:15.0
And para sa akin,
24:16.0
this pink,
24:18.0
this semi-movement
24:20.0
that emerged last year,
24:22.0
this showed us
24:23.0
the potential
24:24.0
of what we could have
24:25.0
in our democracy.
24:26.0
Not necessarily
24:27.0
for opposition
24:28.0
or progressive movement
24:29.0
but in general
24:30.0
that's our goal
24:31.0
because if you go
24:32.0
to other countries
24:33.0
like Germany,
24:34.0
Sweden,
24:35.0
even America,
24:36.0
in a lot of,
24:37.0
in Korea,
24:38.0
South Korea for instance,
24:39.0
in Taiwan
24:40.0
and Hong Kong
24:41.0
even to a certain degree
24:42.0
in a lot of these places
24:43.0
where you have
24:44.0
long decades
24:45.0
of democratic struggle,
24:46.0
very passionate,
24:47.0
passionate commitment.
24:48.0
I was in Hong Kong
24:49.0
when there were
24:50.0
protests in 2019
24:51.0
that hundreds of thousands
24:52.0
of people were there.
24:53.0
People coming out
24:54.0
every week
24:55.0
over and over again
24:56.0
since 2014
24:57.0
they were constant
24:58.0
until of course
24:59.0
Beijing
25:00.0
and Hong Kong
25:01.0
is not a democracy.
25:02.0
It's just a city state
25:03.0
under control of China.
25:04.0
It's a different story
25:05.0
but if you go to Taiwan,
25:06.0
if you go to Korea,
25:07.0
if you go to
25:08.0
Scandinavian countries,
25:09.0
you go to Europe,
25:10.0
you go to Latin America,
25:11.0
you can see
25:12.0
that what we saw
25:13.0
that day,
25:14.0
one year ago,
25:15.0
exactly one year ago
25:16.0
in Pasig,
25:17.0
you will see
25:18.0
that happening
25:19.0
over and over
25:20.0
and over again
25:21.0
every few months,
25:22.0
every year,
25:23.0
multiple times
25:24.0
for commemoration
25:25.0
of something important,
25:26.0
for resisting
25:27.0
the populist
25:28.0
Lula supporters
25:29.0
against,
25:30.0
you know,
25:31.0
mobilizing against
25:32.0
Bolsonaro,
25:33.0
former president
25:34.0
of Brazil
25:35.0
before even Lula
25:36.0
coming back
25:37.0
and winning the elections
25:38.0
as he did last year
25:39.0
because that was important.
25:40.0
If you sustain the movement
25:41.0
and the movement is there,
25:42.0
then that movement
25:43.0
can carry you
25:44.0
come election day
25:45.0
because one risk is that
25:46.0
if you try to mobilize again
25:47.0
during election day,
25:48.0
baka medyo late na
25:49.0
kasi lampas na
25:50.0
ng two years
25:51.0
and by this time,
25:52.0
the other side
25:53.0
has already
25:54.0
dipped its claws
25:55.0
into the political soil.
25:56.0
So yun po yung mga
25:58.0
Anyway,
25:59.0
I'm not making
26:00.0
a final argument
26:01.0
because I'm trying
26:02.0
to keep an open mind
26:03.0
and not to come off
26:04.0
as someone who's just saying,
26:05.0
oh, eto yung mali,
26:06.0
eto yung tama.
26:07.0
No, I'm just saying
26:08.0
there's a lot of potential here
26:09.0
but potential is just potential
26:11.0
unless it's realized.
26:12.0
And to realize it,
26:13.0
you have to sustain it
26:14.0
and sustaining that potential
26:15.0
is extremely important
26:17.0
to having a competitive,
26:18.0
lively democracy
26:20.0
and also
26:21.0
carrying the torch,
26:22.0
carrying the baron
26:24.0
for democratic struggle
26:26.0
and reform in the country.
26:27.0
Anyway, thank you very much
26:28.0
mga kamay na ito
26:29.0
kay Riz Annie.
26:30.0
Salamat, salamat
26:31.0
kay Hacinto.
26:34.0
Kay Annabelle Gamoras,
26:35.0
Catherine Palmeras,
26:37.0
Samon Taneas.
26:39.0
Thank you very much.
26:40.0
Kay Edna De Villa.
26:42.0
Thank you very much also
26:43.0
for joining us.
26:44.0
Kay Ma'am Eden Olona
26:45.0
as always also joining us,
26:46.0
supporting us.
26:47.0
Kay Noemi Tablada
26:48.0
as always supporting us.
26:49.0
Marami po yung sumusuporta sa atin.
26:50.0
I always appreciate it.
26:51.0
I can see
26:52.0
mataas na engagement natin ngayon
26:53.0
on this topic
26:54.0
because I can see many people
26:55.0
have strong feelings about it
26:57.0
even if the enthusiasm level
26:59.0
has kind of faded
27:01.0
and it's not the same as yesterday.
27:03.0
Pero parang ano yun eh?
27:04.0
Char, parang first love.
27:06.0
Char, baka pwedeng bumalik.
27:07.0
Diba?
27:08.0
Old flame.
27:10.0
Baka may pagka-old flame ito.
27:11.0
Tingnan natin.
27:12.0
Huwag naman sana super old flame.
27:14.0
Natin dito sa mga supporters natin
27:15.0
sa kabila.
27:16.0
Ayan.
27:17.0
Andami natin mga supporters.
27:18.0
Kay Claudio.
27:19.0
Andami comment na to.
27:20.0
Mamaya,
27:21.0
mamaya tayong magdebate.
27:22.0
Ayan.
27:23.0
Kay, ayan.
27:24.0
Kay Buenos Dias.
27:25.0
Kay Salvatore.
27:26.0
Kay, thank you.
27:27.0
Uy gozaimasu.
27:28.0
Kay Ayuma.
27:29.0
Thank you very much.
27:30.0
Kay Raimundo.
27:31.0
Jimenez.
27:32.0
Kay Ando.
27:33.0
Ayan.
27:34.0
Oh, by the way,
27:35.0
grabe ah.
27:36.0
Nagviral yung ano natin ah.
27:37.0
Yung interview natin
27:38.0
kay ano,
27:39.0
OG.
27:40.0
OG.
27:41.0
Hindi yung original gangster.
27:42.0
OG as in OG Diaz.
27:43.0
No?
27:44.0
Medyo,
27:45.0
lalong na...
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Parang weird nga eh.
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Mas nagviral siya dito,
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mga kameta,
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dito sa
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YouTube channel natin
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kaysa dyan sa Facebook
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which is weird
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because our following is way bigger there on Facebook
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than in YouTube.
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But, ayan.
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120,000 views na po tayo dyan.
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I think this is among my highest
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sa YouTube.
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Of course, dito sa Facebook
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naka-millions views na tayo
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for some of our videos.
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So, anyway, mga kameta,
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check nyo rin yung kay OG Diaz.
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And please also continue to support
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yung podcast natin,
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the Richard Heydarian Podcast
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para naman ganada tayo
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to continue to upload and all.
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Oh, by the way,
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magpopost na rin tayo na mga kameta.
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Mga QR code natin.
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Sabi ko nga, diba,
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we're hoping sana,
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God willing,
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we'll push ahead with doing more
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studio interviews and all.
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Oh, by the way,
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magkakaroon na tayo,
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God willing,
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ng stint more formally
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again in mainstream media.
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But that will be a different thing
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that will be more about geopolitics.
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But I want to do more interviews
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like yung ginawa natin with OG Diaz.
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Talk to people in the showbiz industry.
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Talk to sports people.
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You know, something that's more
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out of what I do in mainstream media
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and God willing, I'll be doing more
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in the mainstream media.
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We want to do that.
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So, I really appreciate your support,
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mga kameta.
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At the very least,
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subscribe to my channel.
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Subscribe to my channel
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and support us
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and call other people to watch us.
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Even if hindi kayo sangayon sakin
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sa isang video,
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I'm sure you're going to find
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another video.
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You will find it interesting.
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Even if hindi kayo agree sakin,
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baka gusto nyo yung guest ko.
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Baka gusto nyo si OG Diaz.
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Baka gusto nyo si Ambassador Maldas.
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Baka gusto nyo yung mga ibang
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mga secretaries,
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mga officials,
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mga showbiz,
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mga ano,
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mga tao na nakausap natin.
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So, please continue to support us
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and again, yeah,
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magta-postlize yun yung
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ating mga QR code dyan
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dun sa mga gusto
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to support us sakin.
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I really appreciate it.
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I really, really appreciate it.
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Very kind of you.
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I'm just saying,
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if you were able to do it once,
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momentum.
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Very, very important.
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Inertion momentum is everything
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in physics
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and in politics.
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Right?
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Ganon ka-simple lang yan.
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Alright?
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Thank you very much mga kameta
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and talk to you soon.
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Thank you very much.