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00:00.0
... Sa ating audiovisual presentation, Canelo Tayag gusto pong malaman ng mga taong bayan bilang pinunong isa sa mga nagtatag ng Communist Party of the Philippines at ng New People's Army, ano ang inyong mga naging karanasan sa pagbubuo nito at ano ang inyong mga gustong ilahad tungkol sa pagbubuo nito bilang bahagi ng una ng mga Central Committee?
00:30.0
... At pagkakaysa ng Sambayan ng Pilipino na binungunin ng ka-Eric at ka-Peter at si ka-Tess Beluz. At ito ay isang napakagandang organisasyon na maaaring lumaki at lumagadlab sa buong Sambayan ng Pilipino.
01:00.0
... From Michigan, USA, ay narecruit na ako ng PKPHMBDA, college ka nito, freshman sa University of the Philippines, Diliman. So I began to be part of the party cells.
01:30.0
... National Youth and Students Bureau of the old PKP. Partido Komunista ng Pilipinas, Hukbong Mapagpalaya ng Bayan, Democratic Alliance. Ito ang organisasyon namin noon.
02:00.0
... So we started out as chairman, ako naman ang general secretary. Later on you will find out when he went underground, I was the national chairman of the Kabatang Makabayan during the most tumultuous and bloody demonstrations against the administration of President Marcos."
02:30.0
Q1. Ang kabataan para sa buong bansa ay dati nang hinawakan ng Partido Komunista ng Pilipinas bago pa maitatag or ma-re-establish ang Communist Party of the Philippines. Tama ba ang pagkakuhaan?
03:00.0
... Gusto namin magpapa-under kami sa kaisipang Mao Zedong kesa sa revisionismong USSR o Partido Komunista ng USSR. So na natiling nasa influence ng USSR o party ng USSR, Soviet Socialist Republic, ang PKP, HMB at DA.
03:30.0
Q1. Ang kabataan para sa buong bansa ay dati nang hinawakan ng Partido Komunista ng Pilipinas bago pa maitatag or ma-re-establish ang Communist Party of the Philippines. Tama ba ng pagkakuhaan?
04:00.0
Q1. Ang kabataan para sa buong bansa ay dati nang hinawakan ng Partido Komunista ng Pilipinas. So na natiling nasa influence ng USSR. So na natiling nasa influence ng Partido Komunista ng Pilipinas. So na natiling nasa influence ng Partido Komunista ng Pilipinas.
04:30.0
... Ito ang huk dati na tinatawag ng bata ng nana-namin na narinig nila. This was actually a carry-over of the 1942 Hukbalahap. So Hukbalahap from 1942 to 1946. In 1946 it was reconstituted as Hukbong Mapagpalaya ng Bayan."
05:00.0
... Of all other sectors. It is the United Front component of the PKP."
05:30.0
... Well ang unang ginawa namin nagpalakas muna kami bilang isang mass organization as Kapatahan ng Makabayan. Ragsimula sa UP yan ng SKAUP, Student Cultural Association of UP. SKAUP na lumalaban sa UPSCA, UP Student Catholic Action.
06:00.0
... Pagkatapos doon nagtayo kami ng isang party group, initial party group na siyang magiging cell basis ng pagtatayo ng CPP-NPA. So we were actually a party looking for an army.
06:30.0
... With Commander Delio, Commander Freddie and Commander Dante. Pero sinubukan namin kay Delio, sinubukan namin kay Freddie, namatay sa encounters si Commander Delio at si Commander Freddie.
07:00.0
... At si Commander Dante. Under the old setup ng CPP-NPA, the Chairman, the General Secretary and the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the New People's Army compose the Executive Committee. Next to that would be the Politburo, the Political Bureau. Next to that would be the Central Committee.
07:30.0
So kayo ang bumuon ito? Nauna ba ang Communist Party o nauna ang NPA sa iyong pagkatanda? At sino-sino ang mga nakasama mo na bumuon itong CPP hiwalay sa PKP at nagbuon ng NPA hiwalay sa HNP?
08:00.0
And the big component of this Central Committee were also labor leaders who came from the US-Tobago Labor Union. Sila Peter Motok and Ruben Guevara. So doon pala nang galing siya. Ibapasa mo na kita kay Ma'am Lorraine, bago po ang mga controversial naming tanong. Ma'am Lorraine, baka may gusto kang ilinaw. Kay Bishop, kaanino tayo?
08:30.0
So my question to you Bishop is what was the attraction to you? Because I want to see, is it any different from the attraction that our children have these days in joining this terrorist organization?
09:00.0
So we were already reading nationalist books of Recto, Renato Constantino. And then we were already discussing Marxist, Leninist and Maoist books.
09:30.0
So Bishop, the intent was very sincere at that time. Was there any element of deception on the part of Joma Sison or of the party? That's very clear right now.
10:00.0
At sabi nga ng isang kasama namin si Noni Villanueva, this spokesperson kapatayan mga katayan. Ang mapait na pilduras ng komunismo ay pilit na ipinalunok sa mga estudyante at mga leader kabataan na linagyan ng asukal. At ang asukal na nilagay dyan para malunok yung mapait na pilduras ng komunismo ay ang national democracy.
10:28.0
Yan ang kanyang sugarcoating. Kaya makikita mo, in the 1970s, the first quarter storm ay talagang dinumog ng mga kabataan at mga estudyante. There was an uprising and there was real and genuine uprising on the part of the…
10:45.0
So Bishop, in other words, itong national democracy na yan, napakaganda pakinggan. Pero pag tinanggal mo yung asukal, ano siya talaga, Bishop, from your standpoint right now, ano siya talaga? Kasi kami di namin naintindihan. Kasi ang ganda pakinggan, what's so wrong about democracy? That's what we fight for, the real democracy. So ano yung totoo pag tinanggal mo na yung asukal ng national democracy na yan?
11:15.0
Ang unang elemento ng Marxism is atheism. Walang pananampalataya sa ating Paninoong Diyos. Kahit na sa loob ng kulungan, pasikreto yung mga na-recruit namin mga pare. Daandaang mga pare ang na-recruit namin.
11:46.0
na kanilang pananampalataya sa Diyos at ang kanilang kagustuhan maging bahagi at maging member ng Communist Party. Because you will never be a full member of the Communist Party if you do not abhor belief in the Supreme Being.
12:04.0
So outrightly hindi nyo sinasabi na pag nagsumali kayo dito, you should abhor the idea of the divine?
12:34.0
Nationalism and democracy. So nationalismo, independent foreign policy, tayo'y magkakaroon ng kalayaan sa larangan ng ating politika na hindi tayo didiktahan ng sino pang mga tayuhan.
13:04.0
Kami naman ay dinidiktahan at pinupondohan ng People's Republic of China. Ito ang susunod na pinakamalaking disepsyon na kami ay malaya mula sa sino pang mga tayuhan.
13:25.0
So that wasn't common knowledge? Hindi po yan common knowledge? Nakatakip yan ang pagfund ng People's Republic of China?
13:55.0
We were rooting for the People's Republic of China. It was flunkiesm. Hindi nalang purely napapatamahanga ka.
14:12.0
Flunkiesm means tribo-tribo?
14:15.0
Hindi. That's worse than imitation.
14:18.0
Tribalist na mentality. Pero may gusto akong itanong sa kanya. May Bishop Tayag kasi ginagamit pa rin ito.
14:28.0
They do not recruit the CPP-NPA directly to the communist ideology. Sabi ni Bishop Tayag, ang unang disepsyon, yung panluloko na napakaganda at pakinggan at tingnan, yung national democracy, ang kanyang muka sa kasalukuyan at yun din ang kanilang pinagsimulan, land reform.
14:44.0
Alupa para sa mga magsasaka, kontra-asindero. Mukhang tama, nga dapat ang mga magsasaka sa negros at mga sakada tulungan.
14:53.0
Pangalawa, gobyerno na hindi kontrolado ng mga ayala, kuhangko subel, gobyerno na hindi dapat kontrolado ng mga burokrat na kapitalista, yun ang demokrasi para sa kanila, gobyerno na dapat naghahawak ang mga mamamayan, demokrasi.
15:08.0
Number three, walang pakialam dapat ang dayuhang imperialistang bansa, at ang feudalismo sa Pilipinas na paghahari ng mga asindero at Panginoon May Lupa ay dapat tapusin. Ito ay hindi mga communist agenda. Agenda ito ng national democracy, which attracted your generation and my generation. At ang tanong ni Ma'am Lorraine, ito ang tinatawag na sugarcoating sapagkat ang patutunguhan is idoluhiya ng komunismo pa rin. Tama ba Bishop?
15:33.0
During the early stages of recruitment, during the early stages of kapatagang makabayan, there was no mention of communism. There was no mention of a communist ideology. There was no mention of Marxism-Leninism. The Marxist-Leninist books as well as the Maoist books were circulated only in a very selected and very underground group.
16:03.0
Because of that, from my own observation, talagang mumongga ang first quarter storm because of that. Nationalism, democracy, ang isyo ng lupa, the agrarian reform na sinasabi na nakapailalim sa isyo ng demokrasya.
16:33.0
And of course, social justice. So lahat ng mga sangkap na iyon ay nakapaloob sa national democracy. Tama. Now we understand.
17:03.0
Up to this day naman ganoon. Si Carlos Zarate will say they're not communist, etc. So to this day it's like that. So early on it was already like that. But the intent was already there. Very clear. The deception was already very conscious that we should not mention communism so that we can recruit as many of our children as possible. Am I correct?
17:34.0
It is very obvious. Mayroon ng 500 years of Catholicism. Almost 200 years of Protestantism. Almost 100 years of born again Christianity. E di babangga ka talaga sa existing belief system.
17:52.0
At kung ikaw ay magiging makatotohanan, you cannot fight frontally dito sa umiiral ng kapaniwalaan at kasalpantayanan.
18:07.0
Ang tawag natin doon, Bishop, dominant worldview. The dominant worldview is yung pinalaganap ng katolisismo. Sabi ni Bishop, para makapanloko, hindi nila harapang babanggain kasi malakas ang influence ng katolisismo, ng krisyanismo, dito sila sa gilid.
18:24.0
Ang mga Bishop, parang ganun ang naging purpose, democracy, nationalism. Yun pala, komunista pa rin ang patutunguhan. May pangalawa kang binabanggit, Bishop, na deception.
18:33.0
Sabi mo, hindi niyo sinasabi sa recruitment na mapupunta sa armado. How do you do that during your time? Mula sa pagiging aktivista, masa, supporter, napupunta sa armado. How do you do that?
18:44.0
Kinagawa namin. May kursong primary, kursong intermedia, kursong abante. Doon sa mga unang kursong yan, national democracy. Pero mula sa hanay ng mga nag-undergo ng training na yan, PPD kami ng taong kadre. At yan ang i-orient namin.
19:14.0
I-orient namin sa Marxismo, Leninismo, Maoismo. I-orient din namin sa armadong pakikibaka. From the very start, lahat naman kami kumikilis ng party groups. Alam mo naman, tinatamdan natin ng isang party group ang loob ng kabataang mga bayan, leadership. Tinatamdan natin ng SDK ng isang party group.
19:44.0
Paki-explain, tinatamdan, yan ba ay palihim?
20:14.0
E kailangan may laman na party group sa loob.
20:45.0
When a squad meets as a committee, it is headed by the political officer. When it meets as a combat unit, it's headed by the commanding officer.
21:01.0
To make sure, of course, to make sure the party controls the army.
21:08.0
Ma'am Bishop, papunta kami sa medyo controversial ng mga tanong. You may or you may not answer, or you may have reference and attribution for you to establish your position.
21:20.0
Number one, Plaza Miranda bang?
21:24.0
Go Bishop. Ano yung mong i-hiyayak sa Plaza Miranda?
21:28.0
When I was being asked sa oriyentation ko noon, nung ako'y member ng Executive Committee, ang sinasabi kong members ng Executive Committee ay si Joma, ang General Secretary, at saka yung President.
