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00:00.0
Good evening guys! Happy Monday po sa inyong lahat.
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Ako po si Christian Esguerra
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Welcome po sa ating episode ngayong gabi ng TAX FIRST!
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Alam ko marami sa inyo yung medyo umiitokulok itong nakaraang araw
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narin dun sa pakayag ng Chinese Ambassador to the Philippines, Ambassador Huang Sinigang
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na pila pinapangaralan at pinatakot yung Pilipinas overnight po dun sa issue ng Taiwan
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Tapos ang development po this today, sinabi po ng Chinese Embassy ng gabas po sila ng pakayag
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na misquoted daw si Ambassador during the recent forum last week
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Ayun, tinignan natin, misquoted ba talaga? Parang hindi naman no?
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So yun po yung pag-uusapan natin ngayon kasi ang binanggit ni Ambassador Huang Sinigang
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Philippines is advised to unequivocally oppose Taiwan independence rather than stoking the fire
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by offering the US access to the military bases near the Taiwan Strait
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if you care genuinely about the 150,000 oil products
01:25.0
Okay, hihimayin po natin yung mga pakayag ni Ambassador Huang
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Ang makakasama po natin ngayon ay ang dating envoy po ng Pilipinas dun po sa Taiwan
01:35.0
I'd like to welcome to our program ngayong gabi si former MECO chief Dito Banayo
01:45.0
Magandang gabi po sir, thank you for joining us as a spokesperson
01:48.0
Magandang gabi sa iyo Ian at sa lahat ng iyong tagapakinig
01:52.0
Sir una, baliwalag muna natin, kasi iba nagtatanong
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Ano ba yung relasyon ng Pilipinas at Taiwan? At bakit hindi inbahada ang meron tayo sa Taiwan
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kundi Manila, Itan, Omeco?
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Kasi nag-a-adhere tayo dun sa one China policy
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which means that the Philippines like most, almost all nations in the world
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other than 13 na lang ngayon
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believe that there is only one China
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and that is represented by the People's Republic of China
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But we cannot deny the fact that we have economic, cultural, even labor relations with Taiwan
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and therefore we have offices which basically is considered a de facto embassy
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except that we do not recognize Taiwan diplomatically
02:49.0
Kaya naggagawa tayo ng tinatawag na MECO, Manila Economic and Cultural Office
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which dito naman sa Pilipinas, Taipei Economic and Cultural Office or TECO
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yung kanilang resident representative dito
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Ganon din yung ibang bansa
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The US has an American Institute in Taiwan
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It's called an American Institute
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At yun ang kumakatawan sa US
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Ang Japan meron din
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Lahat ng ibang bansa
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Pero ganun ang sistema, hindi tinatawag na embassy
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Kasi under our one China policy, we recognize only the People's Republic of China as the one China
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Gano'ng katagal pa kayo naupok sa MECO?
03:41.0
Limang taon actually, from June 2016 to June 2021
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Or rather from July to June
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Kaya I decided to invite you kasi talagang kayo nag-handle din ang mga OFW issues
03:58.0
bilang ambassador pa kayo as MECO chief
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Ano po bang basa niya rito sa pakayag ni Chinese Ambassador Huang Zhibian?
04:12.0
Hindi ko man napakinggan pero napakinggan ko yung excerpt sa TV news
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pero nabasa ko yung buong speech niya
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At humain natin, una yung sinasabi niya
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The Philippines should unequivocally state that it is against Taiwan independence
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Hindi na nating kailangan sabihin yun
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sapagkat malinaw na malinaw sa one China policy
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Ang nire-recognize natin ay China
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As kumakatawan sa Chinese people
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Yung context na yun
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Pero yung sinabi na if we care
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Paano ba yun? If we care for the welfare
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Ito yung buong statement niya
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Nakasabihin naman na yun kasi tayo nag-un-discover
05:01.0
Ito transcribed niya dito
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The Philippines is advised to unequivocally oppose Taiwan independence
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rather than stoking the fire by offering the US access to military bases near the Taiwan Strait
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if you care genuinely about the 150,000 voters
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Okay. Ako, ang pananaw ko doon
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is either it was the ambassador or his speech writers
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thinking in Mandarin
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and translating it into English in the wrong way
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Nagmukhang threat
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when actually it was really just a statement of fact
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Kasi pag nagkagyera
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Halimbawa magkagyera
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At sa tingin ko malayo lang yung mangyari yan
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Kung magkagyera, in invade ng China ang Taiwan
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Napakalaking problema para sa bansa natin
05:57.0
Para sa gobyerno natin
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Para sa ating mga katauhan
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Yung paano mo pangangalagaan
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Paano mo ililikas kung kinakailangan ilikas
06:08.0
Ang sa ngayon ay mahigit na sa 100
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Noong umalis ako noong 160 plus thousand na yan
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That was June of 2021
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So maaring nadagdagan pa yan ngayon
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Maaring umabot na tayo sa 180,000 by now
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Hindi lang OFWs yan
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Kundi kasama na riyan yung mga
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Pilipina o Pilipino na nag-asawan ang Taiwanese
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Pero hindi pa Taiwanese citizen
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So Filipino citizen pa sila
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Mayroong mga missionaries tayo diyan
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O kadami nating Catholic priests na nandiyan sa Taiwan
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In fact, halos mga Catholic churches diyan
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Ang nagpapatakboy, karamihan mga Pilipino
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So maraming Pilipino diyan
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We're talking siguro ngayon mga 180,000-185,000 na ang total
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After 2 years since I left Taipei
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So paano mo ililikas yan?
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It's a logistical and a financial nightmare
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At siguro yun ang ibig kaya sabihin
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Pag nagkaroon ng gera
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Malaking problema ninyo yung 185,000
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Sabi niya 150,000 Filipinos in Taiwan
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So naniniwala kayo nung may video
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There was something lost in translation
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Merong mga nag-interpret as parang nananakot
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Parang pagka nagkaroon ng hostilities between China and Taiwan
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E palalayasin nila ang mga Pilipinong OFWs dun sa Taiwan
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Malabo mangyari yun
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Kasi mas kailangan ng Taiwan ang mga overseas workers
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There are about siguro ngayon mga 700,000 overseas workers in Taiwan
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Number one ang Vietnam
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Pumapangalawa Indonesia
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Pumapangatla ang Pilipinas
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At sa darating pang mga taon
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E lalong kakailanganin
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Sabagat Taiwan is in a demographic winter
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Dumadami ng dumadami ang senior citizens
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Konting-konti ang nagtatrabaho
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Yung kokonting pumapasok sa labor force
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Ayaw ng blue-collar jobs
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Gusto niyan mga white-collar
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Gusto niyan nasa opisina
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Gusto niyan na magtatrabaho sa farms
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Or sa mga factories
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So yan ang oportunidad na kaya pumapasok ang ibang bansa
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Principally ito, tatlong bansang ito
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To a certain extent meron kaunting Thailanders
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And yung iba, yung mga expats na galing sa iba't ibang bansa
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Na nandoon doon naman in executive positions
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Ito kasi may bahagi rin ng pahayag niya
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Sinabi ni Ambassador Kuang
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We will not renounce the use of force
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And we reserve the option of taking all necessary measures
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This is to guard against external interference
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And all separatist activities
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Kasi basically ang kontekstwa nito
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Ayaw nila yung access na binibigay ng Pilipinas sa US military
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Doon sa military assistance
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That is to be expected
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Unang-una, hindi naman original yung sinabi ni Ambassador Kuang
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Na they are not renouncing the use of force
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If necessary, to be able to retake or reunify Taiwan
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Into the mainland, no?
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Sinabi na yan ni Xi Jinping
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Sinabi na yan ni Wang Yi
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Sinabi na ni Li Keqiang
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Lahat sila sinabi na yan ng ilang beses
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Now, the issue lang is
09:54.0
To them, yung pagkakalagay natin
09:57.0
O pagkakapayag natin
09:59.0
Nabigyan ang US military forces
10:04.0
Nang temporary bases
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Sa Lalo, airport sa Cagayan
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Sa Gamu, sa Isabela
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Sa isa pang naval base sa Santa Ana, Cagayan
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Principally yung mga ngayon kasi
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Nakatutok talaga sa Taiwan
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Hindi yun masasabing to protect the West Philippine Sea
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I'm looking at it from their point of view
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Kung ang issue natin with China
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Is the protection of our fishermen
10:38.0
And our exclusive economic zone
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In the West Philippine Sea
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Bakit doon sa katapat ng Bashi Channel
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Doon tayo naglalagay ng
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Temporary basing facilities for the American troops
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So yun ang nakikita nila
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Kaya natin ginagawa ng Amerika yun
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At pumayag ang ating pamahalaan
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Ay sapagkat gagamitin ito ng Amerika
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Yun ang kanilang paniwalaan
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Hindi ko sinasabing yan ang talagang mangyayari
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Gagamitin ito ng Amerika
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Para kung magkaroon ng gulo
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Between Taiwan and China
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Madali silang makakareact
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Ladlo Airport to Kaohsiung Airport
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Kaohsiung is the biggest port in Taiwan
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Is only 30 minutes by air
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It is only 13 hours by sea
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And 30 minutes by air
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Parang up and down lang yan
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So yun naman Ladlo Airport
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Ginawa yan ng Pangulong Pinoy
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Noong panahon ni Presidente Benigno Aquino III
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Pero natapos yan noong panahon niya
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Kaya lang noong pumasok ang 2016
11:55.0
At si Pangulong Duterte na ang umupo
11:57.0
Hindi yan inoperate as a commercial airstrip
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At ang ginagamit pa rin ay tugigaraw
12:07.0
Kaya nga medyo nakakapagtaka
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That's a 2.5km runway
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Mahaba yan as far as I've been there
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Hindi yan inoperate
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Pagkatapos ngayon bibigay natin
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O paggagamit natin sa mga Amerikano
12:23.0
So siyempre for the Chinese
12:27.0
Eh taas kilay sila diyan
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And then Santa Ana is at the tip of Cagayan
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Very close to the Bashi Channel
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Or the Balintang Channel
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Public record yung 3 out of the 9 EDCA bases
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Talaga nakatulog sa Taiwan State
12:46.0
Pero ang tanong doon
12:47.0
Hindi rin mahirap pulaan na most likely
12:49.0
Kung sakaling sisig na Pangulo
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Pero ang tanong dito sir
12:54.0
E ano bang pakealam ng China?
12:56.0
Sobrang kanalid tayo
12:57.0
Parang ano ba yung bases nilang ambassador
12:59.0
Para magsalita ng ganoon dito sa ating teritory
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Totoo yan ano ang pakealam nila
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You have to give every country
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The right to state whatever it wants to state
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Insofar as it is their national interest
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That is concerned
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In the same way na
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Pag ang Amerikano nagsasalita
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Kung ano dito sa Pilipinas
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We have to look at it as
13:25.0
Well they're protecting their national interest
13:28.0
Interest ng ibang bansa
13:29.0
Ang kanilang pangatawanan
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O kanila i-promote
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Ay popromote nila
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At poprotektahan nila
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Yung kanilang sariling interest
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So tayo rin kinakailangan
13:39.0
Sarili nila nating interest
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Kaya hindi naman din
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Dapat masamain ng China
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Kung sumagot ang ating national defense officials
13:49.0
O ang ating mga senador
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Although yung iba medyo masyado maanghang
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Probably nga because of the interpretation
13:58.0
Na parang tinatakot tayo
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But really I have to stress this
14:03.0
Napakahirap kung magkaroon ng gyera
14:06.0
Napakahirap na ilikas
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Ang almost 200,000
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Sabihin natin 185,000 Pilipinos
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Who will be caught in the crossfire
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Ito makwento ko lang sa ating mga tagapakinig
14:23.0
Pinag-arala namin yan
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Kung sakali nga magkaroon ng gulo
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Anong gagawin natin dun sa ating mga OFWs
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At iba pang Pilipino na nasa Taiwan
14:35.0
Sa Taiwan meron silang mga
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Underground shelters
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Pati yung ilalim ng park nila
14:46.0
Shelter yan kung sakali magkagera
14:49.0
Talagang naghanda sila kung sakali
14:51.0
Yung kanila mga parking lots
14:53.0
Pwede mong gawing shelter yan
14:55.0
Kung sakali magkaroon ng gulo
14:59.0
Una pinapinlano namin na
15:02.0
Paano natin dadalhin ang ating mga
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Pilipinoy, mga OFW at iba pang
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All the way to sa dulo na malapit sa Batanes
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Which is Kaohsiung or Pindong
15:13.0
Ang problema, siguradong bobombahin
15:15.0
Kung magkaroon ng gera
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Siguradong unang bobombahin
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Airport, seaport at train
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Yun ang unang-unang titirahin ng kalaban
15:27.0
Natural yan lahat ng gera
15:29.0
You make a preemptive strike on this
15:33.0
So paano magigagalaw ang ating mga kababayan
15:38.0
So it's a very difficult situation
15:41.0
Siguro, siguro lang
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I haven't talked to Ambassador Huang at all
15:51.0
But baka naman yun ang ibig niya sabihin
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Sana nga ganoon ang ibig niya sabihin
15:56.0
Kasi kung magkagulo, talaga malaking problema yan
15:59.0
Yung paglilika, pagprotekta sa ating mga kababayan
16:04.0
But do you get the sense also na
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Parang very emboldened yun eh
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Siyang statement at this time
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Coming from a Chinese ambassador
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Kanina kasi minamonitor ko rin
16:11.0
Yung reaction sa kami
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Kasi sa mga nagsabi na undiplomatic yan
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Si former ambassador
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But it's hard natin na tiyak-tiyak na lang siguro
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Sabi niya undiplomatic
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So hindi siya usual no?
16:23.0
Pero you get the sense ba
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You get the sense ba na medyo emboldened si ambassador
16:26.0
Dahil masyadong mabait yung previous administration
16:29.0
So sa China, parang tapang dina
16:36.0
It is but natural for us Filipinos to take offense
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It could have been said better
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Yan na ibig ko sabihin
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Kung ang punto niya
16:47.0
Pag nagkaroon ng sigalot sa Taiwan Strait
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May iipit sa crossfire
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O may iipit yung kapakanan, buhay at trabaho
16:58.0
Ng napakaraming Pilipino
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Kung gano'n siguro yung pagkakasabi
17:02.0
Eh hindi siguro ganyan
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Yung kanina wolf warrior diplomacy
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Kala mo kung sino sila kung magsalita
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Hindi lang naman sa atin nila ginagawa
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Kung di pati sa ibang bansa
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Eh siguro that is the nature of
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The kind of diplomacy that they are practicing
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Throughout the world these days
17:27.0
Okay may isa pang bahagi yung speech na binibit naman niya
17:33.0
Yung sa Mindanao, di ba?
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Ayun yung pakailangan niyan
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They likened niya yung Taiwan issue
17:37.0
Doon sa Bangsamoro issue, peace process
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Na ako personal sa team
17:41.0
Pag binatututok niya sa issue na yan
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Medyo na-miss niya yung nuances niya
17:47.0
So anong basa niya?
17:51.0
Ibang iba naman yung problema natin
17:56.0
Doon sa Muslim secession
18:04.0
Kesa sa doon sa China and Taiwan
18:06.0
We have to look at the history of China and Taiwan
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Kasi for almost or more than 200 years
18:14.0
If I'm not mistaken
18:16.0
Taiwan was an outpost
18:19.0
Which was considered by China as part of it
18:22.0
Whether during the Ming dynasty or the Qing dynasty
18:26.0
Yun yung huling dynasty nila
18:28.0
Pagkatapos nagkaroon ng civil war
18:30.0
Nagkaroon sila na una bago yung civil war
18:34.0
Or rather at about the same time na nagkaka-civil war na
18:38.0
Pumasok ang Japon at yung infamous rape of Nanjing
18:42.0
Natalo ang China ron
18:44.0
At doon sa pagkatalo ng China
18:46.0
They ceded Taiwan
18:49.0
Doon sa Treaty of Shimonoseki
18:51.0
They ceded Taiwan
18:53.0
And Taiwan was for 50 years
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From 1895 to 1945
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A Japanese colony
19:01.0
Habang tayo ay colony ng Kano
19:03.0
Sila naman colony ng Japan
19:07.0
So pagkatapos, after the war nga
19:10.0
Nanalo ang allies versus the axis
19:14.0
And Japan in the Pacific theater
19:16.0
So ang sumunod dyan
19:18.0
Yung civil war naman between
19:21.0
The communist party at saka yung
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Yung kumintang, the nationalists
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Under Chiang Kai-shek
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Natalo si Chiang Kai-shek
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At nag-retreat sa Taiwan
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So para sa pananaw ng China
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Teritoryo pa nila yan
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And this is still part of the
19:42.0
Continuing civil war
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Ngayon, ang malaking issue dyan kasi
19:49.0
Ang Pilipinas, ang Amerika
19:52.0
At more than 150 or 160 countries
19:56.0
All over the world
19:57.0
Recognize China as the one China
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Therefore, we implicitly agree
20:06.0
That Taiwan is part of China
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At ngayon, iba naman ang pananaw ng Taiwan
20:13.0
Doon sa issue na yan
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Na they are a sovereign country
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Or a sovereign nation
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They're a democratically ruled nation
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Different from the communist regime in China
20:26.0
Pero ba't kailangan pa ipalala sa Pilipinas
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Na huwag kayong susuporta sa Taiwan independence
20:32.0
Kasi yan naman talagang policy natin
20:34.0
We don't consider Taiwan as a country
20:37.0
So ba't kailangan pa ipalala?
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Well, yan na nga ha
20:41.0
Kung pag-uusapan natin
20:43.0
The world of diplomacy
20:46.0
Talagang undiplomatic
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The way he said it
20:52.0
Because diplomats are supposed to
20:56.0
What was that they say?
20:58.0
Diplomats are supposed to tell you
21:02.0
But telling you that
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The road to hell is paved with good intentions
21:07.0
Alam mo na, ganoon-ganoon
21:09.0
Kaya talagang tama si...
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Ambassador Ceguis doon
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Na napaka-undiplomatic no language
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Na ginamit ni Ambassador Huang
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Ang tanong siguro
21:21.0
How should the Philippine government respond to this?
21:24.0
Kasi may reaction na from
21:26.0
The office of the Presidential Advisor on the Peace Process
21:29.0
O bago na yata pangarang yan
21:30.0
Hindi na OPAP e no?
21:31.0
At saka defense yata naglabas din
21:33.0
Pero for example, from the DFA
21:35.0
Or even from Malacanang
21:38.0
Well, nagtataka nga ako
21:40.0
At walang statement from the DFA
21:44.0
Hindi naman siguro kailangan Malacanang
21:46.0
Sapagkat ambassador lang naman si Ambassador Huang
21:50.0
Ang dapat na sumagot sa kanya
21:52.0
Ay yung ating bing Foreign Ministry
21:54.0
Or Foreign Affairs Department no?
21:57.0
Siguro the spokesman of the DFA
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Should respond to this
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In diplomatic language
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I mean, huwag naman natin gatungan pa yung gulo
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Because at the end of the day
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This is really an internal issue
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Between China and Taiwan
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By the way, we're like a turnip
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Damay tayo, di ba?
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By sheer function of geography
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Ay, tanong panggawin natin
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Yung nga yung next question ko
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Sinasabi ni iba, we should remain neutral
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Pero yung neutrality na yan
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Can it actually work for the Philippines?
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Kung sakali sumiklab yung gulo
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Although ang daming interconnectedness
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For instance, di ba?
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Pag nadama yung Amerika
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Talaga nakapapil diyan
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Meron tayong MDT with the United States
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I mean, yung neutrality
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With that ideological posture?
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Well, unang-una kasi
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Wala naman tayong kasiguraduhan
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Although under the Biden administration
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They will defend Taiwan
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China attempts a military invasion
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Ang Amerika na nagsasabing
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Kailangan nilang i-defend on Taiwan
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What they have...
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Pero sila yung strategic ambiguity
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Naglalaro din sila
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On the other hand
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Meron tayong mutual defense treaty
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With the United States
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Pero yung mutual defense treaty rin natin
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Hindi rin naman ganoon ka-ironclad
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Hindi naman atakihin ang Pilipinas
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Na kailangan ang Amerika sumali sa gera
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E hindi naman tayo ina-atake
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Kung hindi tayo ina-atake, no?
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Now, that is where nga da
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Yung fears ng marami
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Na by putting or allowing
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American troops doon sa...
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Northern Luzon area
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Which is obviously threatening
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The balance of power between China
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What it calls its province
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Gamitin niya ng mga kano
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In support of Taiwan
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Baka tirahin tayo
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Tirahin niyang mga lugar na yan
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Tirahin ngayon ng China
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December 7 ba o December 8?
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The following day
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They were in the Philippines
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Because we were a colony
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Of the United States
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Ninety-eight military bases
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Spread all over the Philippines
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American military bases
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Pero ang theory ng iba dyan sir
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Whether we were a colony or not
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Talaga nasa patay ng Japanese rampage
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Noong Second World War
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It's part of the war
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It's part of the war
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You have to make a distinction
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China is interested only
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To reunify Taiwan
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With the mainland
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And having done that
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Yun yung sinasabi ng China
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Because they consider nga Taiwan
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As a province of China
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Hindi necessary ling
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Dadating ang gera
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Or sa Southeast Asia
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Including the Philippines
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Although tayo nga
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Ang pinakamalapit
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Pero hindi naman necessary ling
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I'm still very hopeful
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Despite all the harsh words
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Coming from China
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That in the end of the day
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Hindi magigerahan
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Ang China at Taiwan
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Magkakamaganak yan eh
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Yun ang sinasabi mong native
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Yung sinasabi nilang native Taiwanese
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Yung aboriginal Taiwanese
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Yung sinasabi nila indigenous peoples
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That's only about 7-8%
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Of the entire population of Taiwan
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Which is 23.4 million
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Ganun lang kaunti
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Binibigyan ng importansya ng Taiwan
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In order to assert
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A different identity
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But most of the Taiwanese people
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Are really from the mainland
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Whether nung panahon pa ni
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Nung Qing dynasty
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O nung Ming dynasty
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Sinongay pirate nila
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Nakalimutan kong bila
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Na siya parang de facto ruler
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Yung mga kumintang
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After the civil war
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In the mainland was lost
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Ng population ng Taiwan
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So magkakamaganak yan
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That is one consideration
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Two, yung economic ties nila
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54% of Taiwan's trade
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Sila ang number 1 trading partner ng Taiwan
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Tsaka Taiwan is the biggest investor in China
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Nung nag-uupisaan China
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After Deng Xiaoping took over
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Ang una nag-invest diyan
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From the other side of the street
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One of their biggest trading and manufacturing hubs
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That's Taiwanese money
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Most of it is Taiwanese money
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So hindi ganun pa
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Masyadong malalim yung economic ties nila
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Nung panahon na nandod dun ako
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Nung mga bandang pre-COVID
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There were as many as
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800,000 Taiwanese
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So hindi ganun kadali
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Yang sinasabi niya
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Ang problema lang kasi diyan
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Especially in the case of China
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Dahil rising power na sila
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They're now the number two world power
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Is a very important part
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Of the Chinese ethos
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Huwag na huwag mong salingin
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Parang mahi-humiliate sila
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Hindi nila matanggap yun
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And they have suffered through a hundred or more years
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Starting from the opium war
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Pinagsamantalahan sila ng Western powers
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At saka yung Qing dynasty
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Na naging parang basahan lamang
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Sa tingin ng Western powers
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Ngayon na uma-asenso sila
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Ba, hindi na kami magpapadaig sa inyo
29:28.0
Hindi na kami parang
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Kontratuhin ninyo kung sino na lamang
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Face is very important
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We understand the Chinese objective
29:42.0
They want global respectability
29:44.0
Pero in the process
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Marami rin nasasagasaan
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In particular tayo
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So papano naman yan?
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Nung andating ambasador pa ng China
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Nandito si Ambassador Xiao
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Who was a friend of mine
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Nung pang kampanya pa ni
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Presidente Rodrigo Duterte
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Pinakilala na namin
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Si Ambassador Xiao
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Kay Pangulong Duterte
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I mean at that time Mayor Duterte
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Nagpupunta ng Davao
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Nung nasa MECO na ako
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Minsan nagpapuwintuhan kami
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Pag nandito ako sa Manila
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Sabi ko nga sa kanya
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Ang problema ninyo
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Yung Chinese Embassy
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Napakahina ng PR ninyo
30:44.0
They don't seem to know
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In a country with a different culture
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Compared to China
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Manina ba PR nila?
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Walang strategic communications
31:06.0
Yung sinabi ni President Marcos
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Na he would not allow
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The EDCA bases to be used for any
31:14.0
Hindi ba sapat na assurance na yan?
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Coming from the Philippine government
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Tama naman si Pangulong Marcos
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Doon na sabihin yun
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Ang problema nga lang kasi
31:28.0
Pag nagkakagulo na
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Wala ka ng assurance
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Mapipigilan mo ang kano
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Kung sakaling gawin nila
31:38.0
You remember what happened
31:42.0
May bases sila rito Clark
31:46.0
Na tayong launching pad doon sa gera nila sa Vietnam
31:52.0
Ang ginamit nila through Clark and Subic
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Military personnel as well as
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Yun nga pagdating ng kagulo na
32:08.0
Madaling sabihin na
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Hindi kami papayag ngayon
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Pero pagdating sa meron ng gulo
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You know when anything can happen
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Paano kung gamitin?
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Alam mo Christian
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Noong panahon na nandun doon ako
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At even before me
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Before me plus chairman Amadito Perez
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Naglagay kami ng pondo
32:34.0
Yung kinikita ng MECO
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Kasi doon sa kinikita ng MECO
32:38.0
Meron kaming itinatabing
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Para kung sakaling magkaroon ng gulo
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Meron kami pang tulong
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Mga kapampilipino doon sa Taiwan
32:50.0
If I'm not mistaken
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Noong bago nagkaroon ng COVID
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We had about 500 million
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Sa tingin ko as early as
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Magtatagal yung COVID
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Nagbawas ako ng empleyado sa MECO
33:16.0
Nagsara ako ng Taichung
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Sinara ko yung Taichung
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Tauchung na lang at Taipei
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I made it a very lean organization
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Total wala na rin naman Taiwanese na nag-a-apply ng visa at the time
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Basically zero income
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So I didn't want that amount of money to be touched
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Kasi nga kung magkaroon ng sigalot
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Paano ka pang hihingi ng pera
33:44.0
Sa national government
33:48.0
Hindi ganun kadali yun
33:50.0
Kailangan meron ka
33:52.0
Pinakonvert ko pa yun sa US dollars
33:54.0
Because I foresaw natataas ang dollar
33:56.0
Ang American dollar
33:58.0
So yung ganun yung
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At least kumita kami sa exchange rate
34:06.0
Because dalawang taong
34:10.0
More than 2 years na zero income yung MECO
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Hindi naman kami kasi tumatanggap ng
34:14.0
Miski isang centimo galing sa
34:16.0
National government
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20% of our gross revenues
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Even goes to the office
34:30.0
Self-sustaining yan
34:34.0
Although magdali naman
34:36.0
Hindi naman siguro dapat ganun na nag-i-interpretation
34:38.0
Ng ating pamahalaan
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Through executive orders
34:42.0
In pursuance of the
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Hindi dapat lumabas na meron tayong
34:48.0
Mas kinaanong relations
34:50.0
Nadadaan sa batas
34:56.0
So hindi kami pwedeng bigyan ng budgetary outlay
35:04.0
It's a logistical nightmare
35:06.0
It's a financial nightmare
35:08.0
Kung sakaling magkaroon ng gulo
35:10.0
Kung paano natin ililikas
35:12.0
Although ako naman naniniwala
35:16.0
Hindi ganun kadali for China
35:18.0
Na invade in ng Taiwan
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Not only because of the military problems
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Or baka makialaman
35:34.0
Pangalawa, yung ekonomiya nila masyadong intricately
35:42.0
Hindi gugustuhin ang China
35:44.0
Na maraming mamatay
35:46.0
Whether from their side or from the Taiwanese side
35:48.0
Because after the war
35:50.0
Assuming manalo sila
35:52.0
Assuming na occupied na nila ang Taiwan
35:54.0
Masyadong malalim yung magiging
35:56.0
Mga sugat, yung hostilities
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36:34.000 --> 36:36.000
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Wala pang kandidato
36:42.0
Yung yung opposition
36:48.0
Ang magiging main issue
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As far as I'm reading
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Will insist being a
37:04.0
They must be allowed
37:08.0
They must be treated as a sovereign
37:12.0
Not really independent but a sovereign nation
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But yung pumintang
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Lagi naman sinasabi
37:18.0
Kung ayaw nyo ng gera, kami i-voto nyo
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Parang sila yung medyo
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Kaya nilang tumulay
37:26.0
Between China and
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That will be a very important
37:44.0
Continuing conflict
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That we see in the Taiwan Strait
37:48.0
Maraming salamat po Mr. Lito Banayo
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For joining us tonight
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Mahaba haba yung discussion natin
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Maraming salamat sa inyo sir
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Si Mr. Lito Banayo
38:08.0
Nagpag-usapan natin yung
38:10.0
Maraming sa inyo minit yung ulo
38:18.0
Hindi ko lang maproject ka ito
38:20.0
Kasi napaka racist
38:22.0
Ang advice ko po sa inyo, unawain po natin mabuti yung history ng Taiwan-China conflict
38:30.0
Tapos more than that, unawain natin kung paano ba tayo makakalagkad sa gulong ito sakalin sumiklab yung armed conflict dyan na sana hindi naman po
38:42.0
Kasi whether we like it or not, napakalapit natin sa Taiwan
38:46.0
Yung northernmost tip natin sa Batanes yung Mavulis Island, mga 80 km ang layo mula sa Taiwan
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So imagine mas mahaba pa yung biyahe mo from Manila to Baguio kumpara doon
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So whether we like it or not, may American factor man o wala, madadamay tayo sa maliligas yung mga Taiwanese at mga Pilipino of course na maapekto ka ng gulog
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Meron tayong ginagawa sa kasalukuyan na panibago explainer, piniliwanan ko po sa inyo nung nag-first anniversary tayo ng mga live episodes natin
39:21.0
Every week naglalabas tayo ng explainers
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Next topic po na ilalabas namin this week, it's about the Taiwan-China conflict
39:29.0
In particular, paano ba natin maisusulong at mapapangalagaan yung ating national interest at na hindi po tayo ang mapapasama pagdating sa gulong nito
39:41.0
By the way, yesterday nagsimula na po kami magpadala ng mga stickers, some of you got them already
39:47.0
Doon sa mga nakatira outside of Metro Manila, we're finding ways to more efficiently deliver your free stickers
39:56.0
Nga lang kahapon meron yata isa, dalawa o tatlo na hindi ma-contact ng LALAMOVE
40:02.0
So pinabigay ko na lang yung stickers sa inyo, doon po sa iba, sayang
40:08.0
So again maraming maraming salamat po for joining us tonight and magkita kita po tayo ulit sa Wednesday for another episode of Facts Verse
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Again maraming salamat po sa inyo lahat at magandang gabi po
