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Pag-usapan natin ang food stamp program atbp programang nilalatag ng DSWD para maibsan ang gutom at kahirapan sa Pilipinas. Makakasama natin si Sec. Rex Gatchalian.
Christian Esguerra
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Run time: 53:02
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01:00.0
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01:30.0
... So effectively speaking, I've been observing the members of the Cabinet of President Marcos, he's one of those who are actually performing and very competent. And I think miski hindi nyo gusto ang administration, you can focus on the output of certain departments, there are those who are actually delivering. And I think based on my monitoring and observation, this is one of those departments who are actually delivering and performing well.
02:00.0
... Siya ang Secretary ng Department of Social Welfare and Development, si Sec. Rex Gatchalian. Magandang gabi po sir and thank you for joining us tonight sa Facts Verse.
02:30.0
Have you adjusted?
03:01.0
... So kinakaya na, kinakaya na."
03:04.0
Q1. Gamay na rin?
03:06.0
... Like I said, ako na yung nag-wield ng trabaho kaysa yung trabaho ang nag-wield sa akin. Ako na nakakapagdikta ng dapat ng pace rather than yung trabaho nagdidikta ng pace sa akin. Yung first 45 days, yung feeling na lulunod ka at hindi mo alam kung alin yung uunahin mo at feeling mo dapat ko gawin, nabawasan na yun. Bagamat feeling mo lahat dapat gawin agad, you can prioritize because mas kabisato mo na."
03:34.0
So by the way, was it a difficult decision? Kasi congressman kayo dun sa Valenzuela and then you were invited to join the Cabinet.
03:42.0
Although syempre mahirap tanggihan pag presidente nagsabi. But was it a hard decision on your part?
03:49.0
Christian, put it this way. Lahat naman siya mahirap na desisyon kasi I just won an election where I ran unopposed so malaki yung pagtitiwala ng mga tao. Fresh from a 9-year stint as city mayor kung saan pinagkatiwalaan tayo paulit-ulit with huge margins every election.
04:07.0
Mahirap kalikuran niyo yun in one sense. Pero sinabi ko sa sarili ko hindi ko sila tinatalikuran. When you're a Cabinet member, lahat naman cliente mo including the constituency where I was voted in.
04:20.0
So hindi naman ibig sabihin dahil hindi na nila ako congressman, hindi ko sila mapaglilinkuran. Mas dumami lang yung paglilinkuran natin. So that made me say mahirap pero kinaya rin natin yung desisyon dahil ganoon context ako dinilagay na lang.
04:38.0
Q1. Meron na pre-pressure sa leadership style niyo? Hindi dahil masungi kayo or something pero dahil single daw kayo. Nagme-message daw kayo biskinit sa oras ng ano and nag-apologize naman daw kayo. Talagang pasensya na kayo. Single ako talaga pag binaisip, I'll send messages or instructions. Totoo ba yan?
04:57.0
Totoo yan Christian. Meron ako mga habit na hindi ko talaga maaalis sa sarili ko. Hindi lang dahil wala akong pamilya kundi dahil obsessive-compulsive ako na tao. There's a mental outline all the time.
05:12.0
And habang hindi ko check yung mental outline na yan, or kahit may notebook ako lagi, para sa akin the day is not complete. So hindi ko masabi sa tao kahit madaling araw na nagawin mo ito dahil bukas natin kailan to gawin, parang hindi ako makakatulog noon. Parang I'll be stressed the whole night.
05:42.0
Q1. Sa interview natin may binanggit kayo, walang playbook sa government response sa COVID-19 dahil lahat talaga nag-adjust. And I remember you had an issue in particular sa coordination between the DSWD and LGU. Nagka-problema sa inyo. Iba-iba ang nangyari. Now na kayo nakaupudya sa DSWD, how did you fix those?
06:12.0
Ayan ang una kong pinento sa mga USEC doon. And most of them are still with us. I used to hate DSWD. May experience sa mayor ako na traumatic sa amin yun. Hindi lang sa akin kundi sa maraming mayor.
06:27.0
I was in a position, a lot of the NCR mayors were texting me na sana hindi ko makalimutan yung pinagdaanan namin sa kamay ng DSWD. Ang una kong ginawa, I told the regional directors and the undersecretaries nung umukuha ko one week of the job.
06:42.0
Sabi ko kapag sa mata nyo, at that point, kasi sila, ano na sila, seven months na sila. Sabi ko, seven months na wala sa phone mo yung number ng mayor, congressman, governor, you're not doing your job sabi ko.
07:02.0
These are development partners. They cease becoming politicians when they win an election and they start becoming public servants the night that their hands are raised after an election.
07:14.0
Sabi ko, tan-tana natin tignan sila na two arms length but rather the relationship is there para pag may sakuna or mayroon tayong ilulunsad na programa, hindi yung getting to know pa lang tayo kundi yung relationship at yung trust at yung confidence nandoon na.
07:32.0
That's one thing I did. Sabi ko, don't treat public servants as mere politicians but rather look at them as development partners. At in any partnership, a relationship is important.
07:44.0
Naisip ko nung COVID time, even up to that day, natapos at natapos yung kalihim na yun, hindi naman kami kinausap at all. I think by design, ganito na pa. That's what I'm gathering now from the whole time of the department.
07:56.0
By design, sinadyan nyo, they isolate themselves from the quote unquote what we perceive as politicians. But ako, I look at politicians, like I said, after an election night, as development partners.
08:08.0
Kasi pinatatiwalaan na yan ng tao. So you have to work with them. You will never get anything done kapag ang level of tingin mo sa naglilingkod na elected ay hindi partners kundi political. Look at them as development partners.
08:38.0
Tapos may mga regions na nasa path ng bagyo. Kumusta naman yung pressure level ngayon?
08:48.0
You have to remember, the first response pa rin will be the LGUs. Alam natin yan. The federal government will be there to assure them of necessary logistic support pag hindi nila kaya.
09:00.0
So the pressure is definitely there. Pero to the same degree, the resources of the department is also taas. As we speak right now, nationwide, we have close to kanina umagas 800 men.
09:13.0
We're now inching to 900,000 food packs spread across the country. Kung totoosin, maliit pa rin yan sa population natin.
09:21.0
Pero parang how they put it, there's a level of comfort knowing na nandun na yung mga gagamitin sa oras ng sakuna na karagdagan sa mga kakailangan ng LGUs. The pressure is there definitely.
09:34.0
Pero to the same degree, like I said, the department has resources and manpower on the ground to help us mobilize these things in a moment's time.
09:46.0
Okay. Sige sir. Puntahan naman natin itong binabanggit yung food stamp. Kaya ako ininvite dito last week because I was very interested. As far as I know, parang nagkaroon na ba tayo ng ganitong programa sa Pilipinas, yung food stamp?
09:58.0
No. Wala pa. Actually ngayon sabi ng Pangulo nung nagpaalam ako sa kanya kung kung dito. Sabi niya alam mo Rex, akala ko meron na tayo yan at dapat matagal na natin ginagawa yan.
10:07.0
Pero ngayon natin gawin at maganda yan. Kasi when he ran, he ran on a platform of inclusiveness. Inclusivo hindi lang sa larangan ng politika kundi inclusivo sa pagpapatakbo ng bansa.
10:20.0
Alam natin yung trust ng gobyerno since last administration to grow the economy. Sa paglagu ng ekonomiya, yung klase ng trabaho nag-iiba rin.
10:32.0
Nagiging higher yielding na trabaho yan, added value job. So para makasabay ang lahat ng mamamayan, kailangan nakakausad tayo. We have to invest in human capital.
10:46.0
Paano natin mapapasabay ang isang milyong Pilipino na pamilya na gutom sa economic growth kung gutom sila?
10:53.0
Sabi nga ng PSA sa akin, ang undersecretary doon ng poverty data ng PSA, ang tawag natin dito chronic poor na sila kasi they don't make beyond P8,000 a month.
11:05.0
So matutulog sila ng gutom at kung gutom ang isang tao, hindi ka makakaparticipate sa productivity. At pag hindi ka makaparticipate sa productivity, matutulog ka ulit ng gutom. Then the cycle just goes on and on.
11:17.0
So sa food stamps na konsepto natin, layunin natin by 2027 wakasan ng kagutuman. Walang gutom 2027, yun ang sigaw natin.
11:27.0
So it's a tall order. Kanina nga tinatanong ako na parang ambisyoso. Pero when you plan development things, you don't look at the lower lying level of the staircase but tignan mo yung mas mataas.
11:38.0
Kasi yun ang pangarap natin. Hindi man natin mawakasan ng kahirapan kaagad pero pwede natin wakasan ang mga tawag nilang low lying food kasama doon ang hunger o kagutuman.
11:49.0
Medyo ambisyoso nga ito, 2027. So that's 4 years from now. When you say by 2027 wala ng gutom, ano ibig sabihin nun exactly? And how will the food stamp program help achieve that goal?
12:06.0
Remember quarterly naglalabas yung SWS ng hunger survey nila?
12:12.0
2.7 million Filipino families, first quarter.
12:17.0
Yan is experiential Christian, meaning tinatanong yan from a set of questions. Kung ikaw ba ay nakaranas na hindi kumain 3 beses sa isang araw, sapat pa yung tinakain mo. It's experiential.
12:32.0
Pero together with that, meron yung tinatawag yung food insecurity experience survey ng WHO na internationally tinatakbo yan. So doon rin meron experiential questions doon.
12:46.0
So ang plano natin is wakasan natin yung karamdaman ng kagutuman. Siguraduhin natin na ang mamamayan natin hindi kumakalamang sikmura pag natutulog or we make sure that they're not hungry so they can participate in nation building and they can participate and become productive workforce members.
13:07.0
So ang konsepto natin is very simple. Digital cards. By the way Christian, food stamps, ginagawa yan sa maraming bansa.
13:14.0
Pinyayo.
13:15.0
Vietnam and very successful yan. Yung partner natin na gumagawa ng design na ito, yung World Food Program, sabi nila matagal na namin sinusulong ito.
13:24.0
So sa wakas gagawin yan na rin. Ang konsepto na ito, isang milyong Pilipinong pamilya na they don't make beyond P8,000. Bibigyan natin ng food supplement na tigta-tatlong libo.
13:37.0
Pero digital cards yan. They go to accredited retailer na whether kadiwa market yan, whether maliit na grocery or malaking grocery. They tap their cards.
13:48.0
Ang input hindi cash. They get to choose from a food group. So carbohydrates, pipili ka lang from the carbohydrates, 50% non.
13:56.0
And then protein and then fats and so forth. Hindi cash na ibibigay. Pero in return, ang condition naman sa kanila, number one, dahil hindi ka nagutom, makilahok ka sa workforce.
14:09.0
You have to be part of the workforce. So go to your nearest public employment office and then let's go and work.
14:15.0
Number two, gusto rin natin ma-alter yung kanilang eating habits sa bahay. Kailangan may mga nutrition classes na dadaluhan nila para maunawaan nila na ang mura pwedeng maging masustansa at masarap.
14:29.0
And then we will gauge them in two to three years' time and then if they no longer meet the criteria of what we define as food score, then we can exit them from the program.
14:39.0
Okay. Yung sinasabi niyo ng P3,000, this is monthly?
14:43.0
Yes. P3,000 monthly but not in cash but food as currency.
14:47.0
Pero magkano yung rollout niya? Kasi mag-iimprinta kayo ng cards, digital cards. I mean magkano yung operational expense niyan?
14:55.0
First things first, this year from July to December, nasa design stage na tayo. Yung design stage, yan ang mag-aakada ng total cost ng lahat ng bagay.
15:06.0
At sa design stage, nag-identify tayo ng lima lugar sa Pilipinas na iba-iba ang ano. Nasa city, nasa rural, bundok, isla, conflict area, calamity area.
15:19.0
Tapos pipili tayo ng 5,000 pamilya from the bottom income na galing sa listahanan, yung ginagamit natin sa four-piece na listahan. At bibigyan natin sila ng food stamps na digital.
15:30.0
So yung cost na pinaproject namin after the first run, the first run by the way the pilot na 5,000 fully funded ng isang grant from the ADB, that's P3,000.
15:42.0
Tapos the next round will be next year hopefully we grow it to 300,000 families, another 300,000 and another 300,000.
15:52.0
So overall ang estimate cost namin is at around Php40B to include the administrative cost. Pero this can change depende sa matutukasan natin sa design stage.
16:22.0
Q1. How do you make sure na hindi siya isasangla? Kaya ko naman talagang tiisin. Once a day lang kami kakain sa family. Mas kailangan namin i-convert to into cash dahil meron kami paggagamitan. How do you avoid situations like that?
16:52.0
Pangalawa, strict monitoring like what we're doing with the four-piece program. May mga city link and municipal links tayo that can monitor and clearly explicitly tell you na pag binenta mo yan, talagang maaalis ka kagad sa programa.
17:07.0
Christian marami pang things to answer. Tama kayo. That's why meron tayong design stage na ngayon ginagawa na. Tapos magpapilot tayo sa six months time.
17:17.0
Ito may mga tanong sila, mga admin issues. Paano din mga nasa kabundukan, kasulok-sulok? Paano daw yan?
17:24.0
That's why Christian, kaya tayo may design stage at isa sa pilot na pinili natin will be the island provinces and municipalities in mountains.
17:35.0
Alam mo Christian, ang parang ako sabihin sa inyo, we rely on the technology of development partners like the World Food Program, ABB.
17:42.0
Sila yung mga tao na tumutulong sa atin kasi may experience na sila in running these things abroad. This has happened in other countries.
17:49.0
Di naman ito first time na gagawin. Maraming first time sa Pilipinas pero may mga bansa na muka natin na parehas ang geopolitical terrain na pwede natin kopyahin.
17:59.0
Okay. I think this is an overriding theme of some comments. Sinasabi nila instead of Ayuda, ba't daw hindi mag-focus sa pagbibigyan ng livelihood o trabaho sa mga pinakamahihirap.
18:11.0
Christian, hindi ito Ayuda, uulitin ko. This is not a dole out program kasi may condition siya. Paano sila lalahok na magkakatrabaho kung nagugutom sila?
18:20.0
Alam mo lahat tayo one way or another na halipasan dahil either voluntary, nagda-dietay or what, we know that feeling na hindi ka kumain, yung lutang yung isip mo, mahina ka, agitated ka.
18:31.0
So paano sila makakalahong sa pagkatrabaho kung makakalabang nilang futura? Kaya nga sabi natin in return we will demand that we show a certification na pupunta sila sa public employment office nila, humahanap sila ng trabaho, kahit anong trabaho basta maging bahagi ka ng workforce ng Pilipinas.
18:49.0
Pero hindi natin sila mapapalabas sa ganyang klaseng endeavor kapagka hindi sila nutritionally supplemented. Kulang yung nutrition. Paano ka magiging bad boy sa grocery? How can you engage in being productive kung ikaw mismo nagugutom ka?
19:06.0
I actually agree. Parang ganyan ang spirit sa 4P's although iba yung model. Paano ka makakapasok sa school kung wala ka ng pamasaay? Ang dami mga issues na kailangan i-address una. At sa inyo yung pinaka-basic, pagkain. Dapat may makain muna.
19:36.0
Pero kailangan sa aming departamento siguraduhin namin sa paglagu ng ekonomiya lahat ng Pilipino makikilahok, makakapartake sa economic growth. Hindi yung merong 4% tayo ng populasyon nagutom kaya kahit lumalago ang ekonomiya, yung disparity between rich and poor lumalaki.
19:55.0
Yung 4P is a program that's meant para mabali yung intergenerational poverty, yung naisasalin na kahirapan. Kaya nga ang mga condition nga dapat yung anak mo nasa eskwelahan, dapat nagpapakbakuna, yung basic inputs. Ito naman labanan natin yung kagutuman para makalabas sila ng mga tahanan at makapagtrabaho sila katulad natin.
20:25.0
On feeding programs of LGUs, may mga ganyan diba?
20:55.0
Pero we consulted so many experts. Meron tayong mga professors sa feeds. Meron tayong mga hunger and poverty experts like si Dr. Ruel Briones ng feeds. And then we also spoke to FNRI. It can be done. Other countries have done it so it can be done.
21:25.0
Wala para tayo yan for the longest time.
21:55.0
We can't be like that.
22:25.0
At yung middle class or lalo na nga yung tinatawag nilang near poor. Near poor sila yung pagka isang shock sa pamilya. Yung nagkaroon ng kamatayan or natural disaster. Nagsakit, bumabalik sila sa poverty. Ibang intervention yung pinag-iisipan namin para sa kanila.
22:45.0
Dahil yan, kaya nila magkaroon ng economic enterprise. Ang iniisip naman natin sa kanila sustainable livelihood grants para maging double income yung kanilang pamilya para habang may nagtatrabaho sa labas, may nagtatrabaho sa tahanan. Hayaan nyo, hindi namin sila nakakalimutan. Talagang pinag-iisipan lang namin sa kanila ano yung angko na intervention para sa kanila.
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