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00:00.0
You're a woman, just to be sure about it.
00:03.3
But you're a lesbian.
00:05.9
Your partner or former partner is Maan Palaganas?
00:10.8
How long was your relationship with her?
00:18.6
Three years, okay.
00:19.8
What is your complaint against Maan Palaganas?
00:23.7
Okay, before we together, we are partner.
00:28.6
Then she advised me together about the business.
00:32.7
Then she tell me about her house, family problem.
00:38.9
So their house, the Udang, the bank, almost two million.
00:47.8
So that's interest very high.
00:51.5
So interest very high.
00:53.0
So she tell me, maybe I can borrow the mama, baby.
00:59.4
Only one year, baba Ben, baba Joe finish the wars.
01:04.4
Baba, baba Joe, baba Ben wars in America.
01:09.6
So only one year finish the 25 years war.
01:12.9
Yung ano po, yung total nung nakuha sa kanya, kung sa pera po,
01:16.9
150,000 US dollar.
01:21.0
Over a period of three years.
01:23.6
Yun yung naibigay, na-deposit niya sa lahat ng account nila.
01:26.9
Meron tayong katibayan, no?
01:28.2
May mga deposit, ano po.
01:29.6
Bakit siya nakapagbigay ng ganong amount in a period of three years?
01:35.7
Kasi nga po, ang ano nga po nila, nag-business sila, mag-be-business.
01:40.0
So si babae, si Maan, pinaniniwalang magne-negosyo sila.
01:44.7
Ngayon, nakukuna niya ng pera itong si Lipin?
01:48.1
Hindi po, na-meet niya po ito.
01:49.5
Alam niya, nung na-meet niya palang ito, si Pinghun,
01:52.6
na ang ano niya dito, purpose niya sa pagpunta sa Pilipinas ay mag-business.
01:57.5
Tapos naging sila.
01:58.6
So ang ano niya po talaga, mag-anap ng business.
02:00.6
Kaya nga, nung nakakakuha siya ng pera kay Lupin, may relasyon na sila?
02:04.2
Apo, may relasyon na sila.
02:06.0
Anong sinasabing nung ni Maan para every time na nakukuha siya ng pera kay Lupin?
02:10.6
Ano po, kasi yun nga, nag-sabi daw po sa kanya, kinuwento na yung bahay nila,
02:15.7
nakal-mortgage sa bangko.
02:18.2
Nagbabahid sila malaking interes.
02:20.2
So siyempre, dahil girlfriend niya po, sabi niya, ang gusto mo, ako nalang muna ang mag-anos.
02:25.5
Pero ang nangihingi ng pera si Maan?
02:28.1
Hinihingi ng pera si Maan.
02:29.5
Tapos, may relasyon sila at that time.
02:31.8
Hanggang kailan siya huling nagbigay ng pera?
02:33.6
Nung 2021 po ang huling.
02:35.1
2021. Okay. Naghiwalay na sila?
02:37.4
2022 po sila naghiwalay.
02:39.1
Kasi nung 2020 po, diba nag-COVID?
02:41.8
Umuwi po siya sa Taiwan.
02:43.0
So two years po siyang hindi nakabalik dito.
02:46.0
Pagbalik niya po nung July 2022 na wala na pong pera.
02:50.3
Lahat ng pera ang ubus na.
02:52.4
So bukod sa pera, may nakuha pa ba sa kanya?
02:54.6
Pero po, at saka gusto niya po kasing mabawi yung mga gamit niya doon.
02:58.6
May sasakyan, may motor.
03:00.0
May sasakyan. Kanino nakaristro yung sasakyan?
03:02.2
Sa pangalan nga lang po niya.
03:04.2
Pero yung pinambilin sa sasakyan, sa kanya?
03:06.0
Sa kanya po lahat yun.
03:06.8
May katibayan tayo para doon?
03:09.0
Bukod sa sasakyan, ano pa?
03:10.6
Motor, tricycle at saka land, lupa, lote.
03:14.2
Yung lote, kanino nakapangalan?
03:16.6
Sa kanya po lahat talaga.
03:18.8
Nagsama ba sila sa isang bahay?
03:20.8
Ano po, hindi naman po kasi siya mag-stay dito.
03:22.8
Pag umuwi siya nung 2019 to 2020 before mag-COVID.
03:26.7
Pag umuwi siya, nakaka-stay siya ng pinakamatagal 2 months balik Taiwan.
03:31.0
Yung tinitirhan nila?
03:32.8
Bahay po. Bahay po nila, Ma'an.
03:37.8
Ma'an, nandito si Liu Pinwen.
03:40.2
Ano po, she is your lesbian partner, tama po ba?
03:44.1
She was your lesbian partner.
03:47.8
Okay, bakit po kayo nagkahiwalay?
03:49.5
Hindi ko po, alam sa kanya.
03:51.4
Bumuwi na lang po siya rito.
03:53.4
Kasi ang usapan po namin,
03:55.8
ikaw corte na lang po ako.
03:58.2
Nag-usap na po kami, tapos na po.
04:00.6
Pero ano po yung naging pag-uusap niyo po, Ma'an?
04:03.1
Para malaman din po namin kung ano pano po namin matutulungan yung ex mo.
04:09.1
Ano yung naging pag-uusap niyo, ma'am?
04:11.4
Nag-usap na po kami sa harap ng attorney.
04:14.2
Sabi pa nga po namin, magdala rin sila ng attorney para hindi bayad.
04:18.8
Hindi po sila nagdala.
04:21.1
Tapos, ang sabi po ng attorney, kung ano ang concern niyo,
04:25.1
sabihin niyo na lang sa akin.
04:27.7
At ako ang pag-uusap kay Ma'an.
04:31.2
Yung po ang usapan namin.
04:33.0
Pero yung ginagawa po nilang pagpapahiya sa akin ngayon,
04:37.6
hindi po po talagang matatanggap yan.
04:57.7
Q. Hiningi niya po ba ito o kusa niyo kinuha?
05:28.6
Ma'an, you know that's all my money.
05:34.8
I don't want to talk to you.
05:36.6
I want to talk to you in the court.
05:40.0
I didn't ever do harm or bad to you.
05:45.9
Yeah, because you don't want to talk to me
05:48.5
about the lawyer office, about the...
05:52.4
Woman, how will I talk to you, Ma'an?
05:54.8
About the blonde guy, you don't want to talk to me.
05:58.6
Your mama don't want to talk to me.
06:01.8
I'm buying my family.
06:03.2
You get my all, everything, and money,
06:06.1
and then you and your mama say don't want to talk to me.
06:10.3
Yeah, because you're harassing me.
06:12.5
You're harassing me, even your friend.
06:14.5
You even go to Infanta.
06:16.3
You just say don't want to talk to me
06:19.0
because you get everything.
06:21.0
The car, the land, the boat.
06:23.7
In our law, it's in my name, okay?
06:26.6
Even your house, your mama will die.
06:29.8
Even your house, I borrow the bank.
06:34.1
Yeah, I borrow mama first
06:36.5
because I think your life is more better,
06:39.1
but no, now you say you don't want to come back anymore.
06:43.3
You just tell me I don't want to come back anymore.
06:45.9
I don't want to talk to you.
06:47.9
So, how about your jail?
06:50.3
Your jail, Mary, no money.
06:53.2
Your papa go to agency, Manila, Seven Tides,
06:56.5
because he want to go, he want to work in America.
07:00.9
Seven Tides agency.
07:02.9
You use my money, borrow papa.
07:06.9
Yeah, I don't complain.
07:09.1
Just come back my money, okay?
07:11.6
Where? Did I get it?
07:14.0
I told you I will talk to you in court, okay?
07:16.6
I don't complain to you.
07:17.8
You just come back my money, it's okay.
07:20.2
I have a new life.
07:21.9
Okay, Maan, since you don't want to talk to us,
07:24.7
maybe you can just listen.
07:26.6
I can respect their decision.
07:30.6
Where did they meet?
07:31.6
Where is the place?
07:32.7
In Villasis, Pangasinan.
07:36.8
Okay, based on what I heard,
07:39.8
based on his theory,
07:41.5
what is important for us is
07:43.4
does he have evidence of the money he gave,
07:47.2
did he buy a car?
07:48.5
I don't know him.
07:50.1
Ma'am, I'm not talking to you.
07:51.8
I'm talking to the person here.
07:54.2
Okay, ma'am, I will talk to you later
07:56.2
if you are willing to talk to me.
07:57.5
Are you willing to talk to me?
08:02.2
So, you have evidence?
08:04.6
Yes, I have evidence.
08:05.3
And all of these were given
08:07.9
because they have a relationship with Maan, right?
08:12.8
You had a relationship with Maan.
08:14.7
You love each other, supposedly.
08:18.5
So, you were on a dating relationship with Maan.
08:22.2
And during that period,
08:23.8
you gave money to her,
08:25.6
you gave money to her father,
08:27.4
you gave money to her relatives.
08:34.2
And everything was through Maan.
08:36.0
I can talk to mama.
08:37.4
Mama only in Tagalog.
08:38.6
But you gave all this money
08:40.2
because you had this relationship with Maan, right?
08:44.5
You had this dating relationship with Maan, correct?
08:52.6
This is a different situation for us.
08:55.0
So, for our netizens,
08:58.4
vowsy is applicable here.
09:01.4
Because vowsy is violence against women and children.
09:05.2
Vowsy is a crime committed against a woman
09:08.3
who is in a dating relationship
09:10.4
or was in a dating relationship with somebody else.
09:14.3
And that somebody else can be another woman.
09:17.4
Even if Lupin is a lesbian,
09:20.7
she's still a woman.
09:22.7
So, she's still entitled to the benefits
09:26.2
or whatever violence is committed against women and children.
09:30.8
One of the crimes that vowsy covers
09:34.8
is economic abuse.
09:37.7
I hope you're following what I'm saying.
09:40.2
Anyway, she will just explain to you.
09:42.5
So, for our netizens,
09:44.7
let's remember that the victim of vowsy is a woman.
09:48.6
And it doesn't matter if she's a lesbian, okay?
09:51.8
So, since these incidents,
09:55.0
this economic abuse that we call it,
09:57.5
happened because she had a dating relationship with a woman,
10:02.7
she's still a woman even if she's a lesbian, right?
10:05.8
So, that's still vowsy.
10:08.4
So, it's a case of economic abuse.
10:10.7
It's possible that there's a possible scuffle, etc., etc.
10:13.9
But for me, vowsy is clearer.
10:16.8
So, for our netizens,
10:19.6
vowsy is applicable
10:21.9
even if the victim is a tomboy
10:24.0
because she's still a woman.
10:26.1
Even if the victim is the woman in the relationship.
10:30.5
Do you understand?
10:31.7
It's just different.
10:32.4
It's very unique.
10:33.8
But if you look at the elements of vowsy,
10:37.4
I think it's applicable.
10:38.8
So, we have a case of vowsy again, sir.
10:41.2
As long as you have your documents
10:46.2
or pieces of evidence that would show
10:48.6
that you were giving her money
10:50.6
during the time that you had this relationship with her.
10:53.8
At least that is how we intend to work on your case.
10:58.1
We'll file a case for violence against women and children.
11:02.4
It is very interesting because it's a very unique,
11:05.3
the situation is very unique.
11:07.2
In this case, it will be the lesbian
11:09.7
who will be going after the woman in the relationship.
11:13.6
But it doesn't matter
11:15.0
because you are still biologically a woman.
11:19.8
So, you are still entitled
11:21.5
to the provisions of violence against women and children.
11:25.1
I hope my netizens understood my explanation
11:28.7
and they learned the nuances of this situation
11:33.2
in relation to violence against women and children.
11:37.0
I hope you understood what I said.
11:38.6
Ma'am, are you still there?
11:40.0
Yes, sir. Yes, I am.
11:41.0
As you said, let's meet in court.
11:44.6
Okay, ma'am. Let's meet in court.
11:49.5
Thank you very much, Ms. Liu Pinwen.
11:52.5
And we'll give you the contact details of Attorney William Moore
11:55.8
so that he can help you about legal matters, okay?
11:59.6
But you have to file this all the way to Villases, Pangasinan, right?
12:07.0
Ms. Melody, usapin din po namin kayo off-air, okay?
12:09.7
Thank you very much and have a great day.
12:11.1
Okay. Salamat po.
12:13.5
Meron pong question si Ading.
12:16.1
Mababawi pa po ba yung mga properties na nakapangalan na daw po kay Ma'an?
12:21.5
Well, as long as we would be able to show na source ng pera ay itong si Taiwanese.
12:27.7
Kasi po, kung ang source ng pera ay si Taiwanese,
12:30.7
yan pong property na yan ay being held in trust.
12:35.1
Meron po tayong tinatawag na implied trust.
12:37.5
Kung isang pag-aari po,
12:39.7
kung ang pera na pinabili sa isang pag-aari ay galing sa ibang tao,
12:44.3
yung pong property na yan ay tinatawag nating held in trust
12:48.7
by that person on behalf of the person who owns the money in buying the property.
12:55.5
So pwede pa rin pong ma-recover yan.
12:57.8
At saka criminal case naman po ipa-file natin,
13:00.2
kung sakaling sumampas sa korte at mag-offer ng areglo,
13:03.5
isa po yan sa hingin natin ma-recover yung property.
