TALAKAYAN PARA SA BAYAN (Culex Soliman at Patrick Aguirre): PAGKAKATALAGA KINA GIBO AT HERBOSA
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Thank you Patrick. So this will be our topic in our discussion with Patrick, my fellow countrymen.
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We will talk about the reaction of Patrick as a young man in his appointment as Secretary of the Department of National Defense.
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Second, what is Patrick's reaction as a young man in his appointment as Dr. Ted Herbosa in the Department of Health.
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So we will remember, as a background, my fellow countrymen. This Department of Health has not had a secretary for a long time.
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This is just OIC, Dr. Belgeri. That was during the time of Duque during COVID.
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So for a long time, Marcos Jr. has been appointed as the Secretary of the Department of Health.
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Now, he appointed Ted Herbosa. There are many issues with Ted Herbosa.
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In the Department of National Defense, it's the same. It happened that they appointed, I think, Galvez, right?
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The replacement of Chudoro. Chudoro ran last election. But of course, you will wait for a year.
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If you are a politician or a candidate, you ran last election. Before you are appointed, you will wait for a year.
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After a year, he was appointed to the Department of National Defense under Marcos Jr.
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This is Gilbo Chudoro. We know him. He ran during the time of Gloria, the opponent of Pinoy. He also ran as president.
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That's Gilbert Gilbo Chudoro. Now, what are the issues that are involved in these two appointments of Marcos?
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By the way, before we start, let's greet the viewers, Patrick. Mila B. Anino, good evening Atty. Enzo Salat ng Kabunyog. Thank you.
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Viewers, just comment and we will read your comments.
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For Enzo Recto, let me check. We will greet the viewers of Enzo Recto.
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Good evening Atty. Enzo Salat ng Kabunyog. Edgar A. Santojo.
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Temporarily, Kulex Suleiman will be Atty. Enzo's reliever because there's a very important walk of our chairman of Kabunyog.
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Christopher Villan, wow, a new haircut of my idol, Kulex. Good evening. Am I handsome? Thank you.
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Anyway, I will greet you later. Let's start with Patrick Gilbo Chudoro.
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We know that Gilbo Chudoro is highly educated. He was a former congressman, a man of Gloria Arroyo who ran as president.
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Now he was appointed to the Department of National Defense. He was asked, because you're a student Patrick,
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he was asked if he's in favor of returning the UP DND Accord. What is that?
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That is the agreement of the University of the Philippines and the Department of National Defense,
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wherein the police and military should not be allowed inside the UP campus without the permission of the school.
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That agreement was removed during the time of Duterte, during the time of DND Secretary Lorenzana.
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That means anytime, the police and military can enter the UP.
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So Patrick, what is your reaction to what Gilberto Chudoro is saying that he's not in favor of renewing the UP DND Accord as a student?
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That's right, Secretary. First of all, our stand as a student, especially here in UP Los Banos,
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during the last administration, it was not allowed, actually, correct me if I'm mistaken, 15 meters distance along the campus.
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So the police and military are really prohibited inside the University of the Philippines.
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Our stand there, as a young person who is in charge, is in charge in a way that the freedom of speech inside the university
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cannot be mixed, maybe fear and anxiety can be mixed between the police and the youth,
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especially the UP, actually, the UP has become a common hot spot,
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a hot spot ground for many policemen who are protesting and fighting for the country.
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So the only thing I can say about this issue, if the policemen are allowed to enter the university,
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the fear and anxiety will be mixed between the students and not just the students,
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but also the people who are inside the university.
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Because to be honest, there is no sense for them to be allowed to enter,
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the policemen are allowed to enter, not just the students or the people who are wearing high-caliber guns.
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So this is worrying in a way, but at the same time, the freedom of speech or the freedom of speech of the youth,
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that is our safe place to express our feelings of being safe,
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but at the same time, we are not afraid of ourselves, if we allow our policemen to enter,
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the fear and anxiety will be mixed, that's all.
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We are not afraid of ourselves,
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if we allow our policemen to enter, the fear and anxiety will be mixed, that's all.
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Okay. Thank you very much Patrick. I don't know why there's a delay on my laptop.
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Yes, because we have seen the scrapping of the UP DND Accord,
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because of the police of Duterte during the time of Lorenzana, right Patrick?
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As a student, if you're not free,
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it's because of such a simple thing that students are threatened if there are police and military there.
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Of course, all the suspects, let's say it directly, they did it because they are Duterte,
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all of them are suspects of being NPA, rebel.
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If it's critical to the government, NPA, rebel. It's always like that.
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And that's the anti-terror law. You Patrick, the anti-terror law.
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It's clear that when we are conducting protests inside our universities,
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we are holding our placards.
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We are holding placards and a megaphone or microphone that will serve as our voice.
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The placards will serve as our call.
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So, what's wrong with this?
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Why can't we hold our placards?
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What we want to say is, we just want to shout our calls so that our democratic people can have a voice.
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As a young person, it's really worrisome if the police are allowed to enter the university.
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So, aside from causing fear to the youth,
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I think this will also increase the freedom when it comes to free speech.
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I think this will increase the freedom when it comes to free speech.
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Okay. Thank you Patrick.
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That's the problem with the Duterte administration.
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He's not going to allow it.
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I don't know. He also said, because there's a law in the Congress and the Senate,
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he's urging to return the UP DND Accord so that the schools will be free, especially the UP.
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But that's not in favor of Duterte.
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Do you think Patrick, because this is his premise, if he's the Secretary of National Defense,
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he's not in favor of the resumption of peace talks.
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He doesn't want that.
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Because it's national security, it's one of the problems of the Philippines.
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We want the rebellion to be solved.
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We want it to end.
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I hope the Filipinos will stop rebelling.
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They're holding arms.
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But Gilbert Chidoro is not in favor of the resumption of peace talks.
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As a youth, what is your reaction to that?
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Thank you for the question.
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Actually, that's one of the hot topics of discussion right now.
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Our stand as a youth, we are always looking forward when it comes to peace talks.
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In our opinion, that's the answer to the root of the problem of the system.
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The peace talks, in our opinion, need to be continued or started.
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That way, there will be a solution to all the problems.
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There will be talks between the revolutionaries until now,
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between the CPPN, NDF, NPA, between the government and the NPA or the communists.
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In our opinion, what Gilbert Chidoro is saying is that terrorism cannot be resolved
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if it disagrees with the peace talks.
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That's what we see.
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That's what we see as the answer to the root of the problem of the system.
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If a DND secretary disagrees with that, it's very sad.
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Aside from the risky life of the youth, the activists,
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or the youth who are shouting their calls,
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those who are holding placards and calling themselves terrorists,
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and in the end, they can still use force.
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So, our side as a youth, I consider myself as an activist
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because we are not terrorists, we are not holding arms.
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We are not holding arms because we are holding placards and a microphone.
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It will be a thing for us to shout inside for the government.
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So, at a story short, or at least saying short,
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what we see there is very sad and angry
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that the mind of a DND secretary is not open to this issue of peace talks
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that will bring true peace to our country.
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So, the peace talks need to be continued through the government
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and through armed groups.
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That way, that's what we see as the solution to the problem of the system.
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So, if Dbo will not disagree, it will be very sad
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because the government will be forced to act.
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So, the peace talks need to be continued through the government
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and through armed groups.
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That way, that's what we see as the solution to the problem of the system.
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So, if Dbo will not disagree, it will be very sad
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because the government will be forced to act.
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Okay. What you said is good Patrick.
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I just don't know if I have a delay here or not.
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Anyway, that's right.
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That's why they are saying to us in Boniog, you are NPA, you are rebels.
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This is precisely our point.
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We in Boniog, we don't want a rebellion.
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We don't want people to rebel.
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But we always say in Boniog, we root out, why are people rebelling?
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That's always the question.
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What is the reason?
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Why are there people who are angry with the government?
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We can see that the system is really corrupt.
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And you, young people, they are saying that you are always the target.
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They say you are brainwashed.
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They say you are brainwashed to rebel.
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Do you believe that Patrick?
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That's why you are rebelling because you are brainwashed?
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You know, that's one of the saddest things.
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As a young person, that's the saddest thing we hear from those who are older than us.
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And usually, from people who are not aware of the reality and the system of our society.
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So, it's clear to us that that's why we are fighting, or going to the streets,
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to try to call for the help of the government.
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So that they can listen.
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Because in this time, that's what we believe is the most crucial.
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There is no longer a system of our society.
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So, if we look at how biased our government is,
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we can see that as a young person, we are going to the streets to fight
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to call for the help of the government.
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So that those who are older than us can listen to us
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and understand what the problem is that we are trying to solve.
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So, that's saddening to us.
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We will be told that we are terrorists, communists,
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or that we are the ones who are confronting the armed groups.
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That's why we will be confronted or rented as being brainwashed,
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or whatever else.
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That's what is saddening to us, or to people like us who are young.
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Usually, that's why we are fighting and going to the streets to call for the help of the government.
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So that we can listen to the issues that need to be resolved
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and the government should pay attention or give clarity.
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So, that's saddening.
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Okay, thank you Patrick.
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Yes, as you can see,
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from a young person, they say that they are not being brainwashed.
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People can see the corruption of the system, the advantages, the disadvantages,
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the extreme poverty.
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Usually, young people learn that in school,
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especially when they are studying in schools like UP or PUP.
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They can see the truth in society.
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That is the fruit of their education, not because they are being brainwashed.
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That's why, Patrick, that's why the UP DND Accord is being taught.
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Because the government is always saying that NPAs and activists are being brainwashed,
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those who are in UP, those who are being brainwashed.
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Which is, why would you blame those who are being brainwashed?
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For example, those who are being brainwashed are being convinced.
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Why would you ask that?
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Is it because someone is being convinced or because of the reality of society?
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Yes, and young people feel the lack and the incompetence of the government
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that instead of resolving the problems of the system,
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they remain trapped and there is no justice in the law.
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Yes, that's right.
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That is what we are saying.
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You, young people, who are being brainwashed,
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you are not the ones who are being brainwashed, not because you are being brainwashed.
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But they see the truth, they are being brainwashed and they feel sad.
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They even held arms.
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Even though we are dead, we are sad that this is what is happening.
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But we are trying to understand the roots.
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And the rebellion, it will not be achieved by force.
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It will be stopped by force, by killing Filipinos and fellow Filipinos.
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But why don't we...
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Just to be clear, just to be shared to you.
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Most of me, I consider myself as an activist but not a terrorist.
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So, as a young person who grew up in the reality of society,
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I am not stupid to hold...
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I am not like that.
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So, my question is,
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if you think about it, why are there people who are rebelling?
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Why are there people who are forced to hold arms?
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Or why are there people who are fighting the government and are forced to use force?
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If you are a decent person and you are from the reality of society,
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you will not look at them as rivals.
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The CPPA and the NDF-NPA, you will not look at them in a way that they are rivals.
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The answer to this will be the violence of the police.
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But in a deep perspective, you will look at those people and why they are fighting.
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So, meaning to say, what you said is right, Sek,
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that as a Filipino with a deep perspective,
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you always look at the four sides of a square, not just the top or the bottom,
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but you are always neutral.
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If you will notice, why are there people like that?
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First of all, because of the lack of justice,
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there are many who do not experience fair justice under the law
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and those who are in power favor them.
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Second, aside from the lack of justice,
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there are people who continue to be oppressed by poverty.
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There are people who continue to lose hope.
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So, to cut my saying short,
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if you are a deep Filipino and you are like the reality of society,
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when it comes to neutrality,
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in thinking like this, there is a question mark.
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Shouldn't the government have compassion for the people,
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so that the country will be peaceful?
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Or maybe the government is the one who is oppressing the people
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so that it will rise up and use force.
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That's very good, Patrick.
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What you said is very good.
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Because we are talking here about Gibo Tsundoro
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as the Department DND Secretary, National Security.
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So, our problem with the rebellion is really touched by that.
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What we are saying, we in Bunyog,
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even though we do not agree with the unification and armament of our fellow Filipinos,
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we understand the reason.
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We are not saying that this is why they rebelled,
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because these are terrorists, these are evil people.
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They are troublemakers.
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The government is wrong, right Patrick?
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Yes, that's right.
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In fact, they are the countrymen.
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They love their countrymen,
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that's why when they saw the corruption of the society,
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the corruption of the...
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They did not even touch the government.
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If that is not what we agree with,
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or that is what we think is wrong,
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let us understand why it happened.
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And resolve by then, once and for all,
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the root of the rebellion of the people,
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they will say it's poverty.
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What is the root of poverty?
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But what the government is doing,
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Marcos is just continuing the policy of Duterte,
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as if Marcos is kind,
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but in a way, his policy, his dissent, his criticism,
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And that reflects in the positions of the new DND Secretary,
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That's why it's not good...
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Can you say that Gibo Chudoro is a red tagger, Patrick?
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This is clear, this is common sense,
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that Gibo Chudoro is not only a red tagger,
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but he also has his own thoughts,
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and it really affects his desire to be a system,
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even though he is the DND Secretary.
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So it is only right that he should not be the one in the position,
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because as a young man, I disagree,
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because it is clear that if the thoughts of a government official
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will be the front of the government,
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when it comes to defense,
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it will be the Filipinos and their fellow Filipinos who will be the last to die,
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and in the end, it will be the fate of the people of our country.
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So the peace talk,
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that's what we think,
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I know that there is a lot of controversy there,
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we disagree to the point that our fellow Filipinos are dying,
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and at the same time, they are holding arms,
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but that will not be the reason to close our eyes,
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that why are they doing this?
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So we are always neutral to those views,
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that we may not consider,
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that's why they are doing this,
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because of the corruption of the system,
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and secondly, we really want peace,
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through the government and armed groups,
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but how will that happen?
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we need to reach out,
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or have help through the government and armed groups,
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first, the will of the armed groups,
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and give it to the government,
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because it's simple,
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I know that their will is simple,
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a good government,
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and a good government,
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we all want peace,
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we all want peace,
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we all want peace,
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should be based on responsibility,
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there is no peace if there is no responsibility,
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you can't say it's peaceful,
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but there is still an advantage,
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and there is an advantage to the poor,
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we are not saying that there is no rich or poor,
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what we are saying is,
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there should be no advantage,
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the society should be responsible,
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the law is being violated,
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there are opportunities for people to prosper,
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peace is based on responsibility,
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if there is no justice,
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there is no peace,
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if a person sees that the system is still the same,
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it's still corrupt,
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the corrupt politicians,
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they steal billions,
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they don't get jailed,
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and those who get jailed are the ones who steal sardines,
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That's not allowed.
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but we get jailed.
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if the politicians are rich,
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they are corrupt,
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they are even arrogant,
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That's not allowed,
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if there is no peace,
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there is no advantage,
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but if there is an advantage,
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there will be peace,
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maybe the rebels will give up,
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the land of the farmers,
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those who don't have land,
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industrialization,
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people will have jobs,
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then there is a correct salary,
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not just the rich who are rich,
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the oligarchs who say
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the workers are left in poverty,
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can such a society survive?
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So if those things are addressed,
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we will have peace,
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based on survival,
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maybe they will think,
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we will lower our arms,
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because the government is okay,
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even if the government is not perfect,
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at least it's okay,
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that's what we're saying.
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our discussion is beautiful.
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let's talk about Herbosa,
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who is the DOH Secretary of Marcos,
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because it's been a long time
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since the DOH Secretary of Marcos Jr.
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we still haven't recovered from COVID,
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there are a lot of issues
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revolving around Herbosa,
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this is a red tagger in a way,
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because this community pantry
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seems to have a bad meaning.
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when Angel Oxin became a community pantry,
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there were old people who died
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who were in line.
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Herbosa's comment,
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he was the UP Vice President before,
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death by community pantry.
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there's also a red tagging.
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What can you say to Dr. Herbosa
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as DOH Secretary,
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in your view as a young person?
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but he's also a doctor,
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he will really be in the DOH.
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he fits in there,
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but if we're going to talk about
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the issue with him,
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is this really the choice
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of the government
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who are really traitors,
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who are traitors,
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or to lock up the people
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who don't have a heart
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in their mother's womb?
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there's no progress
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and there's no change
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if your position,
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doesn't have a heart
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in his mother's womb?
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but common sense,
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there are a lot of good people
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or should be more worthy
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the people should be
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aside from being corrupt,
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and has no dignity
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in his mother's womb.
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this also happened
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to the health workers
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during the pandemic,
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except for those,
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the health workers.
33:26.0
the health workers
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are also demanding
33:29.0
During the pandemic,
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it's also very hard
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even for the barangay
33:40.0
they are suffering
33:44.0
Herbosa said this,
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What can you say about this?
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He's the DOH Secretary
33:58.0
What can you say about that?
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I'll just go back
34:11.0
to what I said earlier.
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the incompetent people
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and those who have no heart
34:23.0
for their fellowmen,
34:24.0
there will be no change
34:27.0
will remain corrupt.
34:28.0
So, meaning to say,
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last and foremost,
34:34.0
we should look for
34:36.0
people who are really
34:40.0
the DOH Secretary.
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You said earlier,
34:43.0
why is it still going on?
34:46.0
from the reality of society,
34:48.0
at the same time,
34:49.0
we are taxpayers.
34:54.0
or meaning to say,
34:56.0
in this kind of people,
34:57.0
our tax will go up
34:59.0
or we will make them pay
35:03.0
will happen to them.
35:05.0
if it's all about
35:08.0
and there is no solution
35:09.0
to the root of the problem
35:15.0
what we can say here is,
35:20.0
That's really it.
35:21.0
Because the anointment,
35:35.0
you're a student,
35:37.0
suddenly the class
35:46.0
How were you affected
35:51.0
this is the policy
35:52.0
of the DOA Secretary
35:54.0
What is the policy
35:55.0
of the DOA Secretary
35:57.0
What is the policy
35:58.0
of the DOA Secretary
36:01.0
the DOA Secretary
36:06.0
during the pandemic,
36:07.0
we really experienced,
36:35.0
closed their borders.
36:36.0
So meaning to say,
36:37.0
there was a chance
36:39.0
that the pandemic
36:41.0
enter our country.
36:43.0
the long story short,
36:45.0
entered our country,
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corrupt politicians
36:51.0
would be massacred
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