02:10.3
Pero because sand decay is within our territorial sea.
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Ang principle sa international law, pag may biglang isla na sumulpot dyan sa territorial sea mo, sa inyo yun.
02:25.6
Yung isla na yun belongs to the state that owns the territorial sea.
02:32.0
So sumulpot lang itong sand decay appeared suddenly and became an island, then that should belong to the Philippines.
02:42.5
Pero nakita ng China na pag...
02:46.5
If they grab sand decay, then yung Subi Reef will be part of the territorial sea of sand decay.
02:54.5
So nagka-idea sila na kukunin nila yung sand decay.
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So unang ginawa nila, sinurround muna nila ng mga maritime militia nila yung sand decay.
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So hindi na tayo makakapunta doon.
03:12.5
The BIFAR wanted to go there with their ship.
03:16.5
Pero turned away sila.
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Yung mga manging isla natin from pag-asa, hindi na rin pwede lumapit.
03:24.3
So ang suspicion ng iba, dinadagdagan ng mga Chinese yung sand para lumaki yung sand decay para maging permanently above water at high tide.
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Pag permanently above water at high tide, then may territorial sea na sasakupin ng Subi Reef.
03:46.5
So they are trying to seize sand decay from us para yung Subi Reef will become part of the territorial sea of sand decay.
03:58.8
So yun yun ang background.
04:00.9
So yung pumunta yung ating mga marine research scientists doon, nakita nila yung pile of rubble na yun ang dinadagdag nila sa sand decay.
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So dapat bantayan natin.
04:14.4
Kasi we have to document na...
04:16.5
Yung sand decay is actually man-made.
04:20.0
Kasi pag man-made yan, walang territorial sea.
04:23.5
Under onclose, ang isang geologic feature na above water at high tide, like sandbar or rocks, pag above water at high tide, naturally formed, magkakaroon yan ng 12 nautical mile territorial sea.
04:38.6
Pero pag man-made, artificial island, walang territorial sea yan.
04:46.5
Surreptitiously, sinisikreto nila yung pag-build up ng isla.
04:51.7
Kaya, mabuti na lang, nakita natin na meron pala silang tinatago ng mga rubble doon na dinadagdag nila doon sa sand decay.
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So yun ang situation ngayon.
05:02.8
Simplihan po natin na kasi medyo technical to. Mas maganda kami mapatay rito.
05:06.4
Tama po ba itong sand decay na pinag-uusapan natin sa pagitan ng Subi na kontrolado ng China at pag-asa na kontrolado ng Pilipinas?
05:16.5
Okay. So, pinapalabas ang China ngayon. Ang suspensya, gusto niyang gawing isla itong sand decay.
05:26.9
Pero hindi ba obvious na man-made ito? Yan ang ginagawa nila? It's basically reclamation? And wouldn't that make their claim ridiculous?
05:35.2
Well, yun nga. Gabi siguro nila pinatitatambak yung sand o yung rubble para lumaki yung sand decay.
05:44.4
Hindi natin napansin yun noon.
05:46.5
Suspicion lang yan. Yung mga fishermen natin, yan ang kwento sa akin na paggabi, nagugulat sila kasi ang dami nila doon ginagawa.
05:58.1
Pero kasi hindi sila makalapit. Pero ngayon, yung pumunta yung ating mga marine scientists, they went there, nag-scuba dive sila.
06:07.5
They were able to take pictures of the rubble na halata naman na linagay doon.
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Kasi hindi naman pwede biglang magkumpol-kumpol yung mga coral rubble.
06:21.3
So, yun ang ano. So, pag ma-document natin yan, later on, we can go to the tribunal na hindi naturally formed yan. So, walang territorial sea yan.
06:33.9
Pero even then, napaka-ridiculous. Highly suspicious na bigla siyang naging isla.
06:40.2
Sa kasagsagan itong conflict na ito.
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And for so many years, hindi siya ganun.
06:45.3
Well, during the arbitration, ang sabi ng mga lawyers natin sa discussion, half of the year, above water at high tide.
06:59.4
Pero pag may mga malakas na alo na didisperse, so below, it's submerged at high tide.
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And ngayon, ang ginawa ng China, dagdagan nila, dinagdagan nila yung sand para above water at high tide permanently.
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Yun ang objective nila.
07:25.2
Kasi alam mo na, right now, we have sea level rise, no?
07:29.1
So, ang tingin ng China, lumulubog na lumulubog yung isla.
07:34.5
Kasi yung sea level tumataas eh.
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So, they have to keep on adding sand just to keep it above water at high tide.
07:42.8
Yun ang ano ngayon. That's their problem now.
07:46.9
They have to keep on adding sand kasi because of sea level rise, lulubog talaga yan.
07:54.9
Okay. Ngayon po, as you speak, who has control or who is in possession of the sand decay?
08:01.6
Well, ang ginawa ng China, katulad ng ginawa nila sa Scarborough Shoal,
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pinaligiran nila ang mga maritime militia kasi hindi nila pwede i-occupy eh.
08:13.0
Kasi the 2002 Declaration of Conduct requires na all unoccupied features as of 2002 should not be occupied.
08:22.8
So, they don't want to break that.
08:24.3
They want to, for some reason, they want to honor that up to now, no?
08:28.9
So, hindi sila, katulad sa Scarborough Shoal, they have not built on Scarborough Shoal although they control it.
08:36.2
Kasi pinaligiran nila ng maritime militia nila.
08:40.7
When will they build? Hindi natin alam.
08:43.4
But, of course, the fact that they are surrounding it, may intention talaga sila.
08:49.5
So, dito sa sand decay, ganyan din ginawa nila. Pinaligiran nila ng mga maritime militia.
08:54.6
So, yung mga fishermen natin, yung BIFAR, hindi na makapunta doon.
08:58.8
Lately lang, nakapunta sila kasi siguro biglang umalis sila for some reason.
09:06.2
So, pumunta yun, dumating yung ating mga scientists.
09:09.3
But, yung nakita nila, they were trying to scare our scientists, no?
09:15.1
Yung helicopter, bumaba eh.
09:17.6
Nagkaroon ng, yung sand lumipad eh because of the propeller of the ano.
09:22.9
So, natakot nga yung mga marine scientists natin.
09:26.2
So, yun ang situation ngayon.
09:30.1
They're trying to maintain it above water kasi because of the sea level rise.
09:36.2
So, dadagdaga ng dadagdaga nila.
09:39.7
Because of that, we can claim na man-made na yan.
09:43.5
Kasi dapat naturally formed yung island eh.
09:48.2
Pero sir nga, kung sakaling mag-succeed ang China dito sa kanilang island building dito sa sand decay,
09:54.3
would that legitimize their claim to sand decay at saka doon sa occupied na Subi Reef nila?
10:00.4
Or baka naman by law, hindi pa rin yung legitimate, pero for all intents and purposes, hawak nila?
10:06.2
Well, ganyan din. Katulad ng Scarborough Shoal, disputed yun.
10:11.7
But hawak nila. They will claim na since they control now sand decay, at saka sand decay isla, may 12 nautical mile territorial sea,
10:20.4
then yung Subi Reef within their territorial sea.
10:23.4
Ganyan. Exactly what they've done to Scarborough Shoal, yan ang gagawin nila sa sand decay.
10:28.7
Okay. Kung sakaling rin po mag-succeed sila sa island building sa sand decay, how would this affect pag-asa island?
10:34.8
Well, ang mangyari yan, yung territorial sea between pag-asa and sand decay, mahati yan.
10:44.5
Kasi under the ongklos, pag may dalawang isla, kahit na maliit yung isa, malaki yung isa,
10:51.3
pag territorial sea, parang hatik kapatid yan, sa median line yan.
10:58.4
So in short, mababawasan yung ating interest dito. Tama po ba?
11:04.8
Ang estimate ko, we will lose mga one-third of the territorial sea of pag-asa. Mawawala sa atin.
11:11.4
Okay. Para din malinaw yung paliwanag kasi maraming nanonood sa atin. Medyo ohaw din sa paliwanag na simple.
11:17.7
Pag sinabing territorial sea, what are the things that we can exercise within our territorial sea?
11:24.2
Well, yung territorial sea, territory in the sea. Yan ang meaning yan.
11:30.4
Yung territory on the land, we understand that.
11:34.8
Territory. Pero sa dagat, tinatawag territorial sea. That's territory in the sea.
11:40.5
Ang rights natin dyan, exactly the same as our rights sa land territory, except may innocent passage.
11:50.1
Other foreign countries can pass there on innocent passage. In other words, straight and continuous passage.
11:57.5
Hindi sila pwede paligoy-ligoy, hindi sila pwede mangingisda, hindi sila pwede mag-survey. Innocent passage.
12:04.8
Yan lang sila. Yun ang difference. Sa land territory, walang innocent passage.
12:11.9
Okay. So ngayon, clearly, yung Sandy Cay po ay pasok sa ating territorial sea. Tama po ba?
12:19.3
Yes. Kasi mga 3 nautical miles lang yan from Pag-asa eh.
12:25.2
Yung territorial sea natin, 12 eh.
12:28.0
Okay. So lumalabas dito, China is encroaching on our territory. Tama po ba?
12:34.8
Okay. So pasensya na sa mga viewers, iniisa-isa natin para malinaw yung pagkakalatag.
12:39.3
So in that case, what can we do? Kasi sila yung nakabarikada dyan, siguro for lack of a better term, using their maritime militia vessels.
12:47.9
What can we do since China clearly is encroaching on our territorial sea?
12:54.0
Well, what we can do is document na they are piling sand on the Sandy Cay para later on, if we can bring it to arbitration,
13:04.8
mapatunayan natin na man-made yan, hindi yan natural reformed. That's one.
13:11.6
Second, we keep on protesting na atin yan. At saka dapat yan, papadala tayo ng papadala doon ng mangingisda natin.
13:23.3
At saka katulad ng ginagawa natin sa Scarborough Shoal, we will patrol the area kasi territorial sea natin yan eh.
13:34.8
Hindi natin ginawa yan. Parang it's as if we're agreeing to China's moves or actions in that area.
13:43.1
Actually, Christian, in 2017-2018, lumabas na itong issue na ito.
13:52.1
Yung ating Navy, alam nila na aangkinin ng China yung Sandy Cay at saka magkakaproblema kasi magkakaroon ng territorial sea yung Sandy Cay,
14:03.3
mawawala sa atin yung...
14:04.8
Subiriff. At saka we will lose one-third of the territorial sea of Pagasa.
14:08.9
So, ang plano nila, maglalagay ng mga fisherman shelter para mauna tayo doon.
14:17.5
So, pero yung tinatayo na natin yung fisherman shelter, nag-complain ang China's to Duterte.
14:24.3
Si Duterte naman, hininto yung ating Navy. Hininto yung pagtayo ng mga fisherman shelter sa Sandy Cay.
14:34.8
Yung hininto natin, ang ginama ng China, pinaligiran nila yung Sandy Cay ng mga maritime militia natin.
14:44.4
Yung Sandy Cay, pinaligiran nila ng maritime militia nila.
14:49.3
So, yun ang nangyari. In fact, we knew.
14:53.3
Alam ng Navy natin na kukunin niya ng China, kaya inunahan natin.
14:57.7
Kaya lang hininto sila ni Duterte.
15:00.2
You can go to the old newspaper clip article.
15:06.2
Duterte stopped our Navy from putting fisherman shelter on Sandy Cay.
15:12.0
Ngayon, nagkiklaim.
15:16.2
So, congratulations po kay former President Rodrigo Duterte.
15:21.7
Mukha bang ipinamigay practically yung ating Sandy Cay because of that decision.
15:28.9
I wrote about that na...
15:34.7
Nagyayabang yung Duterte administration na during their term, they did not lose an island to China.
15:43.3
Ito, sabi ko. Ito. You lost it. Sandy Cay.
15:46.3
Kasi yung ating ano, may video sa YouTube eh.
15:48.6
Yung mayor ng Pag-asa, nag-complain sa YouTube.
15:54.5
Sabi niya, hindi na kami makapunta doon sa Sandy Cay.
15:57.7
Dati, pumupunta kami doon.
15:59.7
Mangingisda kami.
16:02.2
Pagpagod na kami.
16:03.9
Nagbibitch yung ship na...
16:06.7
Yung bangka namin.
16:08.5
Isasad-sad namin doon para magpahinga.
16:11.8
Ngayon, sabi niya, hindi na namin magagawa kasi pinaligiran na ng mga Chinese Maritime Militia Vessel.
16:20.2
So, that means controlled ng China.
16:23.7
Kasi pinagbawal ni former President Duterte na tayuan natin ng fisherman shelter eh.
16:31.4
Again, congratulations po.
16:33.7
Okay, former President Rodrigo Duterte.
16:35.6
Shoutout po sa inyo, no?
16:37.1
Maraming salamat sa pagpapumigay po ng ating Sandy Cay.
16:39.9
Napasok po sa ating territorial sea sa China.
16:43.0
Justice, puntahan naman po natin itong statement ng Chinese Embassy in Manila.
16:49.7
Diba kasi maraming bumanat doon sa Gentleman's Agreement na di umano ay napagkasundoan under the previous administration.
16:57.2
Pero may bago, may latest statement ng Chinese Embassy in Manila claiming na...
17:02.0
Hindi, pati yung current administration.
17:03.7
Kumain doon sa new model on how to manage the so-called dispute dyan sa Yungin Shoal.
17:08.9
What do you think of this, po?
17:10.6
Well, lahat na government officials are denying si DND Secretary Chudoro.
17:20.4
Sabi niya, wala kaming...
17:22.4
We did not agree to any new model.
17:25.8
Si Anyo, Secretary Anyo of the National Security Advisor, sabi niya, we did not agree.
17:33.7
DFA, nagsalita rin.
17:36.4
Now, we did not agree.
17:37.8
Tsaka yung Western Command.
17:40.2
Kasi tinuturo ng Chinese Embassy na yung Western Command ang pumayag.
17:46.0
Nagsalita rin yung Western Command, the spokesperson, si Commodore Trinidad.
17:51.1
Sabi niya, walang ganyan.
17:53.5
So, this is totally disinformation by China.
17:57.2
Sinasabi lang, they cannot name a person eh.
18:00.6
Basta sinabi lang, pumayag.
18:04.2
Kasi under the protocol, they cannot talk directly to our lower echelon officials.
18:16.1
If they want anything, they have to talk to the Department of Foreign Affairs.
18:19.8
Hindi naman sila pwede dumiretsyo eh.
18:21.5
Pero ang ginagawa nila, dumidiretsyo sila.
18:25.5
Yung mga kausap nila ng mga junior military officers,
18:28.8
hindi naman nila alam ano yung...
18:32.8
tungkulin ng mga embassy.
18:35.1
Kaya yun pala, kinakausap sila,
18:37.9
tapos sasabihin na ngayon yung embassy official,
18:40.7
oh, pumayag na ang Pilipinas.
18:43.4
Eh, wala namang authority to agree.
18:45.6
Walang authority to negotiate yung mga junior military officers, no?
18:51.2
In the meantime, tayo ngayon po yung nag-aaway-away, no?
18:55.0
Hindi na ba ito po dito?
18:59.0
Kasi ang protocol,
19:01.4
yung Chinese embassy,
19:02.8
or any foreign embassy,
19:04.3
must course their request to the Department of Foreign Affairs.
19:08.0
Hindi, they cannot just interfere in our domestic affairs.
19:12.8
Pero hindi ba malinaw na yan?
19:14.1
Kasi nagsalita na rin yung presidente,
19:15.9
diba, dati pa, last year.
19:17.6
Kung nagkaroon naman ng kahit ano agreement whatsoever
19:19.7
that he was not aware of,
19:22.0
considered that rescinded.
19:23.7
Hindi ba ba napakalinaw na nun?
19:25.9
Walang kinikilala.
19:26.9
Bago na yung presidente.
19:28.5
Oo, kasi ang sabi ng Chinese embassy na
19:32.8
special arrangement.
19:35.8
it can be rescinded anytime.
19:37.4
So, ito yun ang ginawa ni President Marcos Jr.
19:40.8
pag meron mang ganyan na agreement,
19:43.8
temporary special arrangement,
19:45.8
then I rescind it now.
19:49.6
Dito po, Justice,
19:51.2
marami rin ako nadidinig na tanong na ganito, no?
19:53.7
Kasi idea ng treason,
19:55.6
pag in the context of war lang,
19:57.6
pwede ba itong gamitin sa mga katulad ni Duterte?
20:00.0
Doon sa ginawa niya,
20:01.2
sa Philippine interest,
20:03.1
o kung stretch man yun,
20:05.0
paano ba pwedeng mapanagot yung dating presidente
20:07.3
dito sa mga ginawa niya
20:08.8
in favor of China
20:10.2
to the point that he was actually,
20:12.7
that he actually compromised Philippine interest?
20:19.5
that's culpable violation of the Constitution,
20:22.5
ang impeachable yan.
20:24.9
Pero hindi mo na siya ma-impeach eh,
20:26.4
kasi wala na siya sa opisina.
20:28.2
Pero meron pa rin, ano,
20:29.5
violation ng anti-graft law.
20:32.3
the anti-graft law,
20:34.1
any person who causes undue injury
20:38.9
or to the government
20:40.3
through inexcusable negligence
20:43.2
or evident bad faith.
20:46.9
yung pinagbawalan niya yung mga fishermen natin
20:49.6
to fish in the lagoon
20:51.4
of Scarborough Shoal,
20:53.5
eh, prejudicial yan sa mga
20:54.9
mga Filipino fishermen, no?
20:58.6
Yung mga artisan fishermen natin
21:02.3
ang hanap buhay lang nila
21:05.5
to fish in Scarborough Shoal.
21:09.0
that's a rich fishing ground.
21:11.8
they really want to go to Scarborough Shoal.
21:15.7
yung sumang-ayon si Duterte na
21:18.5
bawal na pumasok ang mga fishermen natin
21:23.6
ng Scarborough Shoal,
21:25.1
that's prejudicial.
21:28.3
na that's a common fishing ground
21:30.9
of Filipino fishermen.
21:31.9
Filipino fishermen,
21:32.8
Chinese fishermen,
21:33.7
and Vietnamese fishermen,
21:35.0
including the lagoon.
21:36.9
Kasi yung lagoon naman,
21:38.0
territorial sea yan, eh.
21:39.7
Kasi hindi naman yan enclosed, eh.
21:43.3
There are only a few
21:59.6
Walang internal waters dyan.
22:01.4
That's all territorial sea, no?
22:04.5
that is prejudicial to our
22:06.7
poor Filipino fishermen.
22:09.8
they can file a case against Duterte.
22:13.2
Hindi po iniisip ko minsan, Justice, no?
22:15.2
Sa dami ng mga ganitong
22:18.7
public naman yung karamihan dyan.
22:20.9
So, kailangan talaga may magkaso
22:22.5
dun sa dating Pangulo
22:23.9
sa iting this ground.
22:27.3
Anybody affected, no?
22:29.2
the government affected rin.
22:31.4
that's against also
22:37.2
pinagbawalan niya yung
22:38.4
Navy and Coast Guard natin
22:40.8
sarili nating territorial sea
22:42.8
sa Scarborough Shoal.
22:44.3
That's against national interest.
22:47.4
pinagbawalan niya yung
22:49.0
mga fishermen natin
22:53.2
Scarborough Shoal,
22:55.6
That's against the right.
22:58.2
arbitral tribunal,
22:59.1
may traditional fishing right.
23:01.4
mga Filipino fishermen
23:03.4
to fish in the territorial waters.
23:05.7
Yung territorial waters naman,
23:07.4
including in the lagoon.
23:09.0
Kasi, hindi naman
23:09.6
enclosed dyan eh.
23:11.9
So, yung current government,
23:13.6
current administration
23:14.4
can file that case against him.
23:19.1
Including the, ano,
23:20.4
the fishermen also.
23:24.8
Halikan na kasama ka!
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Sa bagong Pilipinas,
