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Base mismo sa mga reaction niya, kinakabahan siya, because I've read his responses to the latest step taken by the pre-trial chamber.
00:12.0
Sinasabi niya na hindi naman makakapunta yan sa Pilipinas, hindi naman yan makaka-investiga dito.
00:19.0
If he were a real policeman interested in accountability, if he were a real senator who values truth and justice in the Philippines,
00:29.0
he would welcome the ICC, he would welcome an investigation, but he isn't.
00:34.0
So base sa mga reaction niya, napaka-defensive.
00:37.0
Yung defensiveness kasi, while it does not always indicate guilt, it indicates at least the fear that someone, one, might be investigated for a crime.
00:48.0
Hindi lang naman si Sen. De la Rosa ang potential na isasama sa kaso kundi middle level officials, possibly at the precinct level.
01:03.0
Pwede ba yan sa ICC? Akala ko mga top officials lang.
01:07.0
Mayroong persons most responsible but ang ICC in the past has also included individual persons, middle ranking persons so that kailangan kasing makonekta mo yung command responsibility down the line
01:25.0
so that you can establish that from above to the middle and down to the individual,
01:33.0
you have to admit the physical act of violence or murder or torture that there is a line that connects them.
01:39.0
You have to be able to show that and it's important for a prosecutor, hindi lang naman sa ICC kundi kahit anong criminal case,
01:47.0
to show the relationships among conspirators, those who are involved in commissions of this crime.
01:56.0
Yung mga enablers, yung mga let's say congressmen, dating cabinet officials na talagang grabe yung pagsipsep,
02:04.0
grabe yung pag-justify doon sa madugong drug war na yan.
02:08.0
Kahit alam namang mali, talagang sinusuportahan.
02:12.0
Tapos yung mga nag-block ng access ng iba't ibang pamilya, human rights groups, doon po sa records ng polis, nakarating pa sa Supreme Court yan.
02:22.0
May liability ba, may likelihood ba na maisama yan sa charge sheet, quote unquote, ng ICC?
02:27.0
Well, dalawa yung pwedeng isagot dyan Christian.
02:31.0
First, mayroong crimen sa ICC na tinatawag na instigation.
02:36.0
Ikaw yung nagsusulsul para gawin yung crimen.
02:40.0
Pero hindi malinaw sa ICC rules at jurisprudence so far ng ICC.
02:45.0
Hindi naman dumang korte ang ICC. Relatively new.
02:49.0
So konti lang ang jurisprudence pa niya.
02:52.0
Hindi malinaw na yung instigation to commit crimes against humanity is actually a crime.
02:56.0
Yung pagsusulsul. Iba kasi yung enabling.
03:01.0
Iba yung ikaw yung nagsasabing dapat patayin niyang mga drug addict o dapat lusubin niyang isang barangay dahil puro mga addict ang nandiyan.
03:10.0
Well, yung sagot ko kayo patayin niyo is actually a more specific crime after the fact.
03:20.0
So pwedeng kasama yan sa crimes against humanity.
03:23.0
Pero yung pagsusulsul baka iba yan, hindi malinaw.
03:27.0
At the same time, the second potential answer is this.
03:30.0
In other war crimes tribunals, halimbawa yung sa Rwanda, yung country na Rwanda at sa former Yugoslavia, merong sariling international court that have prosecuted cases in Rwanda and Yugoslavia.
03:45.0
Halimbawa sa Rwanda, isang radio station at ang mga komentarista niya isinama sa war crimes case at na-convict for crimes against humanity at iba pang related crimes dahil dun sa ginawa nilang panunulsul.
04:07.0
Sila yung nagsasabing bigyan ng mga itak yung isang grupo para patayin yung kabilang grupo.
04:13.0
At ginagawa niya yan, ang announcement na yan sa radio station.
04:17.0
So meron kang jurisprudence na pwedeng gamitin to demarcate para ipakita kung hanggang saan yung panunulsul na pwede mong gawin dahil protectado yan as free speech.
04:32.0
Pero panunulsul na humahantong nasa patayan at hindi lang free speech.
04:39.0
So it's a difficult question but potentially the ICC has a basis to decide that question.
