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Ladies and gentlemen, with great pleasure, pride of the Philippines, our very first Grand Master, Mr. Eugene Tore.
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Thank you, thank you Paco for inviting me here.
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This is very surreal. Like when Michael told me, he said, guess who's coming to the podcast?
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As in, our feeling is that we're so fond of not being understood because you're an icon.
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Especially to our generation, you are an icon.
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And I'd like to, on behalf of everybody watching, thank you for bringing pride to the Philippines.
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Thank you very much, Paco.
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I thought only those people my age.
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So happy to know that your generation also appreciates.
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And it was so weird. We were kids.
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Before coming to dinner with you, I was on the phone with my uncle in the Philippines
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because I remember as a child, he'd get a diary and he'd set up a chess set.
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He'd look at the diary and he'd move each piece.
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So I asked him, what are you doing?
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He was replicating your...
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Hopefully, I won that game.
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Usually, if it's shown in our newspaper or magazine, usually our winnings.
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Because mostly in foreign magazines, they put my loss.
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How do you get to the status of grandmaster?
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May requirement before World Chess Federation that you have to attain norms in tournaments for a total of 25 games.
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Usually, nowadays, you do that in three tournaments.
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Getting grandmaster result.
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During my time, we had tournaments of long duration and sometimes you could get it in two tournaments, which I did in two.
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Because in the Olympiad in 1974, Nice, France, I played 19 games.
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Because during that time, there was qualifying and then to the finals.
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Unlike now, the Olympiad is shortened.
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Thankfully, before the Olympiad in 1974 in Nice, France, I was able to get already earlier that year, my first norm in Spain.
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But you have to get 25.
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A total of 25 games.
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So normally, nowadays, you get the title or you need three norms.
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Because usually, the tournament now is composed of nine games or 11 games.
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Short games only, 19.
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So if you say 19 games, that's in one day.
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So if you say 19 games, that's in one day.
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Today, but during your time?
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No, you need still around 25 games.
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So you need three tournaments nowadays.
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Unlike before, there is a possibility you get it in two tournaments.
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How did it start with you, like chess?
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Because I tried playing chess and checkers.
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I'm very, very average.
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Like I could be beaten by anybody else.
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But how did you know that this was something that is for you?
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Well, it looks like it's in the name.
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Yes, it is. The Rook.
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It's in the family.
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It's in the family.
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And fortunately, I came from a family that when I was young, 6 years old,
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my grandfather, that was his pastime.
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We played chess in the afternoon.
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So that was, yes.
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He would give me a little reward at that time.
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Five, that's a value.
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And then, fortunately, I have three older brothers who are also good at chess.
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Because there are ten of us, six boys and four girls.
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My three older brothers are good at chess.
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And finally, my father is very supportive.
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My father is the one who buys the chess books.
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When he received his monthly salary.
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Sometimes, my mother would say,
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I don't have money to buy you food.
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You already bought a book.
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But you know, it was an investment, right?
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Those chess books.
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Yes, and my mother is just joking.
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She really supports chess.
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But Sir Eugene, you said you had three brothers who were good at chess.
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And they were older than you.
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Family of ten siblings.
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What was it like weaving your way?
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Because that's another discard.
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It's like chess play.
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Well, a very tough situation we were into.
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Because during that time, there was no tournament at all in Asia.
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Not only in the Philippines.
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Except it started having a tournament in 1969.
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But sometimes only one tournament and no more.
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As early as 1960, I played already in the junior tournament.
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I was only nine years old.
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That's how very supportive our father was and the family.
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And unfortunately, I think that was 1960.
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I think I played somewhere in the middle or maybe a little bit lower.
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But I was only nine years old.
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And the junior is supposedly 20 below.
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So I was most likely the youngest there.
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And would you believe it?
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From 1961 to 1968, no junior tournaments.
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No junior tournaments.
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National junior in the country.
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So how were you able to sharpen your skills?
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Yes, it was fortunate that I came from a chess-playing family.
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Very supportive parents.
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The three older brothers.
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My grandfather in the beginning.
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Rewarding me when I won.
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And then my three elder brothers.
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So I had a practice there.
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Let's talk about that.
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Because that's family.
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And normally, that's the best training.
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Because you don't have to be nice to each other.
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If it's a family, it's really a no-holds-barred situation.
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It's really a fight.
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But in chess, it's like poker.
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You have to wear a face that your opponent can't read.
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Not only your moves, but your body language.
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Is that a learned skill?
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We are very serious in a tournament.
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In a chess tournament.
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Usually, during that time,
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we play long games.
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Or standard games.
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But with my brothers, we play blitz.
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It is rapid chess.
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If we lose, we switch.
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So that's more or less our practice.
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But at least, the chess skill is enhanced.
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Rather than none.
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It was hard for me to go to a chess club.
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First of all, it's far.
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When you say far, where did you live at that time?
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We lived in Cubao and Quezon City.
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And the chess club before was in Escolta.
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It's far, in Manila.
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I would pass sometimes from Mapua.
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Mapua is near there.
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So it's very tough.
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Another thing that I have to mention.
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We are 10 in the family.
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And it so happened that I'm the one who is in charge.
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Eugene, can you do this?
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Cleaning, washing dishes.
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Because the three younger than me are too young.
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And the woman next to me is younger.
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She's beautiful, like a doll.
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She can't be in charge.
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That's how it was before.
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And the one older than me is too old to be in charge.
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That's why I'm the one who is in charge.
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And eventually, it's good that my dad saw that I'm in charge.
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My dad is a lawyer.
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He said that when he saw that I'm in charge,
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I have the authority to clean, wash dishes.
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And I have nothing else to do because I'm still young.
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You're just next in line.
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It's good that he saw that I have the potential.
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My dad is a lawyer.
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He wrote it down.
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He put it on the wall.
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From here on, no one is allowed to order Eugene to concentrate on chess.
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Anyway, after that, sometimes I was just resting in the room.
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Eugene, can I buy you a Coke or whatever?
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I was chit-chatting.
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So, I think it helped also that I tried to do my best in chess.
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But before I get away from this story,
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I realized later on that the hardships that I went through helped.
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Sacrifice, maybe.
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Because during my campaign for the Grandmaster title,
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I really went through...
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And when I lost, I was alone in Europe.
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It was really hard.
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It was really hard.
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But somehow, my order toughened me.
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During those hard times, I was able to endure it.
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So, actually, it became a blessing.
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It shaped your character.
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When I was young, I was already used to hardships and challenges.
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You know what, Sir Eugene?
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Sir Eugene, what Mr. Pacquiao said is,
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you can say a lot of things,
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but at the end of the day, when he goes up to the ring,
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he's the only one fighting.
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In your case, it's the same.
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People can talk, people can be part of your entourage,
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but when it comes time to sit down in front of your opponent,
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it's just you and you're in control.
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What goes through your head when that happens?
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Oh, by the way, that's the thing.
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If I had a hard time going through it,
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it was just a blink of an eye compared to Manny Pacquiao.
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But anyway, no matter how blink of an eye my experience was,
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So, what I can say to the youth,
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if you're following your family's orders,
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If you're going through a hard time,
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I'm sure it will eventually help you.
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So, going back to...
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When you're there,
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and the spotlight is on you.
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Team sport is different.
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In team sport, you have teammates.
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But in this, this is your battle alone.
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You really need to focus.
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now, I can say from experience,
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you need to be in good condition.
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always protect and promote your mental king,
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and most importantly,
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your spiritual king.
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That's all you need.
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And then, best effort.
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What is best effort?
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Of course, in your preparation,
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before a tournament,
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best effort is to prepare.
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How do you prepare?
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it's easy to prepare on the internet.
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It's easy to replay games.
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But you have to be careful
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because sometimes,
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kids have a tendency
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instead of analyzing the position,
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he'll have his own analysis,
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to the analysis of the computer,
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that's where it should be.
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There's a big delay.
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What's happening now,
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look at the computer right away.
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Because the computer now,
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it's really the best.
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in just a moment,
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it will show you.
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you need to analyze first
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and try to compare later.
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when you were nine,
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when you were starting,
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there was no Big Blue,
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Your analyzation has to come
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During that time,
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our source was books.
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because what you know
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can be applied in all facets of life.
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the pain of people now
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or analysis paralysis.
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But during your time,
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you had to analyze
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in order to come prepared again,
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your mental king and all.
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what advice can you give
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the young folks right now
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Anything that's too much
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maybe their analysis
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is just a replay.
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They're not really analyzing.
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it's very important
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to have a balance.
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compare your analysis
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to what the computer
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we didn't have that.
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and I like what I think,
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I take note of that.
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So that I have a record.
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If I have innovations,
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if you see an innovation,
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because you're checking
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with the informants,
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chess informants.
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is it already played?
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at least you have to go back
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to see if it's already played.
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during that time,
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I was campaigning
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with my grandmaster.
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I brought heavy books.
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Because we didn't have
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Now, it's just a computer.
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I really brought books
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Because it's expensive
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if I buy books there.
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when you mentioned Europe,
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Most of the world champions,
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Except for the ones
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that are no longer there.
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I couldn't reach them.
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that I couldn't reach,
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Those are the ones
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that I couldn't reach.
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I was able to reach Botvinnik.
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But he's no longer playing.
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Now, I was able to reach
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and then later on,
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Did they know of you
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or did you know of them?
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much earlier of them.
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they started to hear my name
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Who was the first one
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with Kasparov and Karpov?
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What was his feeling?
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I was with Karpov
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when you were young.
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there was a National Junior.
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there was a National Junior.
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I represented the country
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the system back then,
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there was a qualifying
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so we were grouped.
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there were 38 players.
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so there were 38.
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in Karpov's group
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because the tendency
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was that the strongest
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but in the qualifying,
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but I was adjourned.
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who was analyzing.
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I was with my brother
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and my brother was good
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he was adjourned.
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I think he was adjourned
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there was an adjournment.
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So, he was adjourned
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I was trying to win.
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to save the game.
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Finally, he was saved.
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He went to A group
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and I went to B group.
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He was the champion.
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he was really good there.
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because the qualifying
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You can get disgraced.
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they were 12 there.
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had a big advantage.
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the game was very close.
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against the American
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I was the champion
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You know, the journey
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is very important,
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as I said earlier,
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and I won't get nervous.
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You can't do that.
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your nerves will grow.
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It's like tunnel vision.
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As much as possible,
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It's easy to check now.
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What are the foods
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that are good for the nerves?
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That's what we eat.
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to meet with Karpov again
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after the Olympics
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The family decided
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that I'll stay in Europe.
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That's the only chance
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become a Grandmaster.
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because I just won
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Chess Championship.
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International Master
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that I need to compete
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because otherwise
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there's no tournament here.
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Mr. Campomanes and I
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the Daily Express.
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There was a Daily Express
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it was okay in Europe.
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Did you know that
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commitment there.
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games with annotations
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Daily Express in Manila, right?
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I wasn't born then.
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I was born in 1971.
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There was a Daily Express
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during that time.
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that I have support
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three tournaments
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there's a tournament,
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There's a cash reward,
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with the influence
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of the World Chess
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You're at the top
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siblings and your
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Did they reach it?
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Did mommy and daddy
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daddy was still alive.
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I became a Grandmaster.
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he was still alive
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have Alzheimer's yet.
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oo ito, ito sir Eugene
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Ikaw ba, when you see two people playing chess,
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do you find yourself getting antsy na parang,
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do you see yourself analyzing the whole game when you're watching?
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Hindi naman, looking for the best move kung ano yung mga possibilities,
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pero kung hindi naman makita.
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Usually kasi kung magagaling, nakikita naman kung ano yung nakikita ko.
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Are you a backseat chess player?
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Are you a backseat chess player?
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No, usually kasi now kung manood ka sa ano,
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you're just on your own looking kung ano yung mga possibilities.
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And yun, hindi ka naman magsasalita mag-isa,
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basta tumatakbo lang yung utak.
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Pag nagsalita ka na mag-isa.
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Tatakbo lang sa utak.
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Oh my God, a very, very long career.
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How long has your career been? Like 40 years?
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You started at nine.
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Well, okay. Huwag na natin i-count yung nine or ano kasi.
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Pero yung nag-start ako talaga sa isang tournament, 1967.
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67, 33 plus 22, 55.
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Yeah, 55. Kasi malapit na tayo mag-2027.
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Ilan taon na lang? Five years. Yeah.
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Oo. Na tournament. That's tournament already.
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But before that, naglalaro-laro ako.
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Actually earlier, a little bit earlier, nung high school,
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naglaro din ako sa SEA. Ano pa yung SEA noon?
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Southeast Asian Games?
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South Central Asian Games.
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No, yung Quezon City, kalaban yung mga…
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Hindi, yung Quezon City, ano ba yung mga cities?
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All over Metro Manila.
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Yung mga kalabars.
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O Manila, Quezon City, Marikina.
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Hindi yung Marikina.
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Wala pa. Di ba City Marikina noon?
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City Mandaluyong?
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No, di ba City Mandaluyong noon?
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Cavite? City? Batangas?
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Whatever. Basta nagkaroon kami doon sa SEA.
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Hindi ko nga alam anong ibig sabihin ng SEA na.
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And ako nag-represent sa Quezon City.
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Parang mga limang cities, district.
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Ako nag-represent sa Quezon City.
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And then eventually kami yung nag-champion yung Quezon City.
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Doon sa SEA na yun.
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Nagkakapikunan din ba sa chess?
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Hindi naman. Dapat talaga sa chess, ano ka eh, yung...
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Anong tawag dyan?
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Hindi. Anong tawag ko dyan?
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Gracious in defeat.
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Humble in victory. Gracious in defeat.
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Can we talk about baklak?
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Because naalala ko noong bata ako, noong kasikatan nyo,
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nasa Greenlanes, tayo diba, JJ?
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Sa Greenlanes, sa San Juan.
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So habang nagbabowling yung mga magulang namin,
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yung mga bata, may chess tournament doon.
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And everybody wanted to be like Eugene Torre.
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So talagang doon ako una nakikita ng baklak na move patay, move patay, move patay.
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Can you explain the baklak to me? What the purpose is?
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Well, the purpose is, eh kasi during yung earlier times,
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pag natatalo na, hindi natitira.
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Yung olden times ha, doon wala pa yung baklak noon.
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So kaya naging long game?
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Hindi, super long game yan.
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I'm talking na ano yan, mga 1890 pa yan o 1910, mga ganon.
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Kailangan yung clock kasi para control yung ano mo.
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Hindi pwedeng hanggang forever, hindi katitira.
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So yun ang purpose noon.
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And before, yung clock, wala pa noon yung, ano ba yung clock ngayon?
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Hindi ko alam yung clock ngayon, pero dati diba, stop, start, stop, start, stop, start.
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O ganon din naman ngayon.
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Pero dati, yung ginagamit namin sa tournament,
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hindi, ngayon kasi digital.
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Dati, mechanical clock.
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So, meron yung mechanical clocks na pag dumating sa dulo,
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ibabagsak na siya.
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So, dapat yan, bago bumagsak, maka 40 moves ka.
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Meron kaming ganon noon.
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Hindi, pagbabagsak na siya, kailangan maka 40 moves ka.
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Then may additional ka na naman for your 16 moves or 20 moves.
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This episode is brought to you by Dr. Lourdes Capulong.
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Pero ngayon, ayan na yung digital clock na ano na.
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Actually, si Bobby Fischer.
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By the way, si Bobby Fischer was a close friend, no?
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Si Bobby Fischer yung unang nakaisip ng electronic clock, chess clock.
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So, ngayon, ina-apply na ng World Chess Federation.
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Yun yung every move, pwede mong iset na mag-gain ka.
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Ngayon, ang ginagawa, 30 seconds.
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You gain every move, nag-gain ka ng 30 seconds.
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Pero you start with one and a half hours.
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And then you work your way up.
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And then you gain 30 moves every move.
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30 seconds every move.
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Which is now to your advantage.
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Kasi the more time you have, the less stress on your mental, diba?
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Yung match ko kay Zoltan Ribley,
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yung pinakahayas na narating ko,
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yung quarterfinal candidates,
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wala pang ano noon.
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Ano pa lang noon?
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Mechanical clock pa lang.
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hindi magandang yung preparation ko.
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Nakalimutan ko na dapat iprotect ko yung time.
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Eh, masyado ako nag-iisip.
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Masyado akong absorbed sa position na kadalasan,
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naiiwan sa akin mga 2 minutes na lang to make 10 moves.
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Buti sana kung bleach yun.
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Eh, long game ito eh.
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A, bleach kasi bigayan ka agad, diba?
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Pero ito eh, serious game ito eh.
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And then, napunta ako sa ganoon na I have to play quick moves.
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Talagang mali yung approach ko.
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And wala na, too late na nang ma-realize ko.
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Although naka-recover ako,
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but I just needed to win the last game para mag-equal.
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Kasi leading siya by 1 point.
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Wala, win or lose na eh.
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Bali wala yung draw eh.
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Eventually, may chance ako ngayon.
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Nervious na naman.
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At saka yung time siguro na nagkamali na naman.
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Ang ganda, Sir Eugene, that we're talking about the aspect of time.
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Because, diba, like chess is a mental game,
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but then again, it teaches you how to look at life.
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And then, ang ganda ng analogy na nandun yung time,
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because parang buhay din.
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Ang galing mo ah.
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Parang ano ka, grandmaster ka sa buhay ah.
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Hindi, hindi. Totoo yun.
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Alam mo, na-realize ko lang yan a little bit later.
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Dati, puro lang ang isip ko yung chess, chess, chess.
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Yung mga good moves sa chess.
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Sabi ko, grabe ka naman, Eugene.
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Hanap ka nang hanap ng good moves sa chess.
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Pero yung tirada mo sa buhay, mayroon kang mga blunder, blunder.
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So, tama pala na kung naghanap ka ng mga good moves sa chess,
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gawin mo rin sa buhay.
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So, ano ba yung mga blunder sa buhay?
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Ah, sigarilyo, yung mga ganon, yung mga bisyo.
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Yung pagpupuyat, yung pagsusugal.
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Yung mga bisyo, alam na natin yun kung ano yan.
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Kung sa chess yan, puro mga blunder, bad moves.
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Kung tinitignan mo ngayon, kung nilalaro mo sa isang computer yan,
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at mali yung mga tirada mo,
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nagiging negative.
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Yung position mo, negative.
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Ganon din yan sa buhay.
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Parang pag puro mali yung tirada mo, blunder,
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nagninegative yan.
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Pagka good moves naman, ah,
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magpapasitive yan, plus one.
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Uy, position ko ngayon, plus two na.
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Kaya nga, minsan, pag may chess, it's like life.
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Which is true, e.
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I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's,
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I think, dapat, ah, yan na tinuturo sa ano, e.
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Kaya laat tayo matutong mag-chess and all that.
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You mentioned computer.
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And kanina binanggit ko si Big Blue.
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Nung binigay ng IBM yun,
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What was, what was going on through every grandmaster's head na
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you guys are going to go up against AI?
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Artificial Intelligence.
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At that time, e, sila, Kasparov, siya naglaro, e.
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At that time, parang ang feeling pa, may laban pa yung human, ah,
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Pero, in, in no time, na-realize na,
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Eventually, may, may hirapan yung, ano,
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Ang human mind sa, compare sa computer.
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Dati may match-match pa yan.
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Nagma-match-match pa yung, yung magaling na grandmaster from England.
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Magaling yan, ah, si Adams.
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Nag-match siya sa, mayroon pa earlier, talo-talo.
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Ah, kasi weaker naman.
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Natatalo pa si Deep Blue.
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Eh, talo yung ilang grandmasters pa.
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Ngayon, si Adams kasi, magaling-galing na yan.
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High caliber na talaga.
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After that, eh, alam ko, wala na.
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Hindi na nag-match-match yung tao sa computer, eh.
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Kasi yung score noon, eh, out of six games, five and a half, one half.
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Five wins yung computer and one draw.
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So doon, nakita na na, ah, hindi na, hindi nakakayaanin ng tao ang computer.
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And you know, is that, is that something we have to accept?
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Na, or, hindi pa lang napapanganak yung mga, mga batang makakatalo sa computer?
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No, no, we have to accept that.
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Na, hindi kakayaanin ng tao ang computer.
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At least sa chess, ah.
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I don't know sa iba.
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Eh, kasi ang tao, una-una, nag-de-depreciate, eh.
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Ang, ang computer, pagaling lang, pagaling.
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Eh, tapos, hindi na papagod, hindi na pupuya.
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So, Sir Eugene, pretty much, pag tinignan natin yung likod noon,
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ang computer, magaling mag-extrapolate ng data,
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ng mga moves na pwedeng gawin ng kalaban, right?
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Ibalik natin sa buhay, like, do you find yourself anticipating
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what people are going to do?
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Like, can you smell bullshit?
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Like, sa edad nyo, sa experience nyo,
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pag alam nyo itong, ah, nakasalamuha ko na itong klaseng taong to,
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alam ko walang maganda mind.
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Are you able to sense that already, beyond chess?
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Hmm, hindi, hindi naman.
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Hindi agad ako nag-ano sa tao.
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Eventually, makikita mo rin.
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Pero kailangan mayroong, ano muna, experience or time.
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I have to give time to see kung okay ba o ano naman itong taong to.
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So, pero, minsan, mayroon ako na didinig na itong taong ito,
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But I have to witness still pa rin, talagang totoo.
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Mahirap kasi yung...
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Now, at your age, what are you looking forward to,
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in terms of the future?
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Hindi, syempre, sa Philippine Chess?
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Hopefully, yung, buti nalang marami na tayong mga paturname sa mga kabataan
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and hopefully, maka-discover tayo ng World Champion material, no?
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Marami tayong mga batang magagaling ngayon.
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So, yun ang hope ko.
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But, kung hindi man tayo eventually makakita ng World Champion material,
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kung hindi man tayo mag-World Champion,
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ang alam ko, panalo na tayo eh.
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Ang importante lang, kasi alam ko itong mga batang ito na nagche-chess
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at natutong i-apply ang natutunan nila sa chess, panalo na sila eh.
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Kasi sa mga, palagay mo ng 1,000, 999 o 998,
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mga dalawa lang doon ang may champion material.
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Pwede mag-World Champion, no?
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Pero, yung 998, doon lang siya sa masa ng mga chess players na magagaling
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pero hindi eksepsyonal.
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Pero hopefully, itong 998 na ito,
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siguradong panalo tayo kung ma-apply nila yung wisdom ng chess.
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Doon tayo panalo.
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Yan ang sinasabi ko parate na mag-chess, hindi lang mag-chess, i-apply.
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Mag-chess tayo para kung ano'y matutunan natin, i-apply natin sa buhay,
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sigurado, panalo na tayo.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Grandmaster Eugene Torre!
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