This episode aired on ALLTV last October 20, 2022.

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Hello!

Hello!

Grabe, nine years!

Nine years.

Nine years together.

1999 daw nung una kayo nagkakilala.

He already felt yung comfortability.

Yes.

Na parang ang sarap kausap nito kasi mararamdaman mo kaagad yun.

Ikaw naman, ano yung naramdaman mo pag kinakausap mo siya nun?

Love yung totoo lang ah.

Moks!

I think it's a disclaimer kaagad.

It was so organic for us, yung friendship.

Kasi nakita ko siya, hindi ko siya nakita din as Aiza.

Nung na-first ko siya nakita, nasa sidewalk siya nakaupo.

Tapos kinuusap mo?

O, kinuusap ko.

Tapos it got really comfortable, naging magkaibigan talaga kami.

And ako din, at that time, parang hindi ko naman iniisip na I would be that attracted to him or her at that time.

Kasi syempre, alam ko na na lesbian siya eh.

Pero ako, hindi ko alam kung ano.

Kung alam ko, I'm straight and my preference is guys.

So, when I started feeling something else.

Ano yung something else na?

Ano ba yung something else na yan?

Kailan dumating yung something else na yan?

Don time na yun, di ba, uso din yung magkausap kayo, telebabad.

Telebabad, oo.

Yung natutulog kayong dalawa, nandoon yung telepono.

So, yun.

Hindi kami nauubusan ng kwentuhan.

Parang I'm so comfortable with her at that time.

Naging close kami kasi at that time, he was going through a transition.

Gusto niya na mag-college.

Alam niya na hindi na siya kasing sikat ng dati.

So, ako noon, I was in second year college.

So, sabi ko, sige, mag-aral ka sa UP.

Kukuha kita ng application form.

Yan yung kini-claim niya na na-feel niya talaga na iba ang...

Kasi nagpakuha ko ng UPCAT form.

So, eto na, di ba?

So, nasa Bulacan na ko noon, Santa Maria.

E, di ba, hindi naman kagaya ngayon na medyo easy na yung travel.

So, sabi ko, tumawag siyang ganun.

Hi, I have your form na.

I'm like, oh, sige, sige, ano, nasa Bulacan na ko eh.

Pick up pain ko na lang pag nakita tayo.

Sabi niya, hindi, I'll go there.

O, from Marikina.

Marikina to Bulacan.

Sige, Toni.

Noong time na yan, wala, as friends pa lang.

Friends daw.

Pero may feelings, feelings.

May feelings na si Lisa sa akin noon.

Ba't ito ang talk about it?

At that time, talaga, siguro parang aliw na aliw ako

with what we have, whatever that was.

Ayoko siyang lagyan ng label kasi baka matakot ako

na makonfront ko yung reality na...

Gusto mo siya?

Pag na-admit ko na gusto ko siya.

Pero yung feelings mo parang

lumalakas na towards me.

Oo.

Dumating na yung point na sinusundo ko na siya

to bring him to school.

Tapos magkakain kami doon sa isang fast food.

Magsusulatan kami ng poem sa isa't isa

bago siya pumunta sa class.

Tsaka pumunta sa school, sa UP.

So parang hindi siya yung sexual attraction.

It was really more the...

The connection?

The enjoyment of being in each other's company.

Naging at home kayo.

Di ba? Hindi mo makahanap yun eh.

When you feel at home sa isang tao,

you can be who you are,

you can be yourself,

you can talk to him or her about anything.

Hindi mo mapafabricate yun.

It comes out naturally.

Kailan dumating yung point

na in-admit nyo na sa isa't isa that we like each other?

Kiniss niya ako, Toni.

Sa car.

Habang nakapark, Toni.

Grabe mo lang malakot.

Pero grabe, ikaw ako may effort eh.

Siguro I'm older kasi.

I was two years older.

Love, aminin mo nang talagang mahal na mahal mo ako noon pa.

Wag ka nang...

I'm tired by excuses.

Sinago niya muna yun, yung relationship.

So nung dumating yung point na yan,

I got scared.

So isa sa pinromis namin sa isa't isa,

we're going to be honest with each other

sa nararamdaman namin.

Kung halimbawa,

magkasama kami nung ex nung boyfriend ko na yun,

sasabihin ko sa kanya.

May isang taping,

hindi ko sinabi sa kanya na magkasama kami.

Nakita na lang niya kami na

magkasama kami.

So parang I felt at the time,

parang I made a choice.

Na yung boyfriend niya.

May ganun pa.

Pinili mo.

E parang yun, parang di pa siya ready na

tanggapin sa sarili niya na if she chooses me over him,

then parang she has to admit that she's lesbian.

Parang it's too complicated.

Transitioning din kasi yun sa stage na yun.

Pero ano yung pinaka-attractive para sa'yo

kay Ice nung time na yun?

Ano yung quality niya that really stuck with you?

Si Ice, napakagrounded na tao.

Like, with all his years in the industry

and you would know na parang,

mag-artista ka, laki na ng ulo mo,

especially with his stature.

I never felt that.

Parang he always makes me feel na parang

pareho tayo ng journey.

Pareho tayong mag-iexplore kung anong

mangyayari sa atin sa college life natin.

Ano yung magiging future natin.

So pareho kaming dreaming.

We were dreamers at that time.

So I never saw the Iza na child star.

I saw an Iza going through a transition.

So pareho kaming in transition.

Alam mo, parang nakita niyo yung core ng bawat isa.

Di ba, doon ka na in love.

Doon sa person that he wants to become.

At ikaw naman yung the person she wants to become.

Kailan yun like official na hindi tayo mahihiya?

Let's be open about our relationship.

Ito na.

Ngayon lang.

2013 na.

Hindi, naghiwalay kasi kami talaga.

Naghiwalay kami talaga eh.

Kasi?

The bad trip siya sa sakin.

Dahil?

Kasi parang noon time daw na parang medyo ready na siya.

Medyo bad trip ako sa kanya nang kasi nga parang

hindi siya.

Ayan parang nandun na ako sa ano ba?

Ano ba talaga tayo?

Parang ganyan.

So parang fume fish si Liza noon.

Parang sabi niya,

siguro pag nandito ka na,

nakita ka na ng ibang girls.

Parang ganyan.

Parang girl ka naman.

Ganun ka ba magsalita?

Girl.

Oh, di ka naman.

Ang sabi ko,

yeah, it can happen.

It might happen.

Walk out?

Ako?

Walk out siya lang.

Ah.

Yeah.

And that kind of like,

kind of ended things for us.

So nag-break?

Siya nag-break.

Kailan nuli nagkita?

When I won the pageant,

I won Mutianang Pilipinas Tourism International in 2001.

Isa siya sa mga unang-unang taong pinuntahan ko

para sabihing nanalo ako.

Naialala ko basta nakahiga lang kami sa kamat.

Nag-usap kami gano'n.

Mag-iyaka pala kami.

Although wala na kami noon na.

Hindi kang may ambulance,

pero mag-iyaka pala kami na gano'n.

It felt good,

but at the time,

nararamdaman ko na na

sobrang distant niya sa akin.

Yung andyan siya,

he will make me feel na parang okay kami,

pero hindi siya gagawa ng paraan to pursue me anymore.

So parang lagi,

the right love at the wrong time,

lagi ang drama.

Yes.

Lalo na nun lumabas yung pagdating ng panahon.

Ayan.

Oh, just wait.

Kala mo.

Sikat.

Ganyan.

Nakita ko siya sa Eastwood,

2004 or 5.

I will never ever forget.

Because ito lalagay yung time na sinabi ko,

kakalimutan ko si Aiza sa buhay ko.

Hindi ko siya nakita for...

Ilang years?

I know.

So I was with my sister.

Kita ko siya kasama yung girlfriend niya.

Oh, si Aiza.

Makababati ako.

Aiza!

Tiniglan lang akong gano'n,

tas umi-exit.

Ay!

Noted ka.

Noted.

Grabe naman to.

I was crying to my sister.

Talaga crying?

Oh!

Yung gano'n!

Bakit mo kasi gano'n?

Bakit mo nga gano'n?

Eh kasi kayo may jowa.

Ako kasama ko.

Eh silosan.

Loyal ka pala?

Hindi, hindi.

Pero pwede naman kasi maging civil.

Eh kasi hindi.

Pwede naman kasing mag-hello.

Kasi tatanungin ako,

sino yun?

Eh ano'ng sabihin ko?

Friend?

Eh hindi kita friend lang eh.

Ayaw ko lang kumaba yung discussion.

Ah, okay.

So, oo,

pinili mo hindi ako pansinhan.

Love tayo na.

Oh, nine years na.

Huwag na nating balikan ng mga baka mag-away pa rito.

Pero kailan yun talagang nagkita ulit

tapos ito na yung right time?

2013.

Ah, yun na yun.

2013 na yan.

So, 2013 yung nag-

yung narikindle?

Yes.

At that time,

I got married

but didn't work out.

I lived in the States for

almost eight years.

Bumalik ako sa Pilipinas

because I had a film na I was promoting.

Tapos,

ayun na.

Tamitan mo siya?

Hindi.

Tinuit ka siya?

Tinuit.

O, diba? Nakuna na naman siya.

So, nung tinuit ka,

ano naramdaman mo?

Siyempre kiniligaw.

Kasi as agi-inuman kami

kasama ng barkada.

Kasi ako, uy.

Eh, kasi nga para sa akin,

Liza holds that special place.

Alam mo yun?

Na totoo naman yun.

I promise.

Kasi parang

of all the people I've been with,

whether pinagiging kami or not,

she was very special

because she also made me feel special.

Kasi siya yung totga ko eh.

Aww.

So, siya yung totga ko.

And parang,

there was a time kasi nung

parang lol na yun na

nagkita ko pa siya.

I was with someone.

She was already pregnant.

I saw her pregnant.

Alam mo yung feeling of him.

Ang kakapamilya na siya.

Alam mo yung,

graba yung panghihinayang.

Tapos yung weirdohan ako,

na ba't ako nang hihinayang?

Eh parang,

never ko rin naman siya.

Pinursu.

Siya lang yung pursu

ng pursu sa akin.

Chara.

In the field.

Oo.

So, 2013,

sabi niya mag-me-meet.

Finally nag-meet kayo.

Yes, nag-lunch kami.

You already had a daughter.

January 8.

May anak ka na noon.

Yes, she was four.

Four years old siya.

Kamusta yung lunch?

Pawis na pawis siya noon.

O bakit ka nga pawis na pawis?

He always makes me feel that way.

Parehan hanggang ngayon.

Yung parang kinikilig ka.

Bakit pag galit,

hindi naman galit?

Ang galing yun naman.

Nine years,

kinikilig pa rin kayo.

Pero pag galit siya,

hindi ganyan.

Ang init niya naman.

Ang talaga.

Ang cute.

Ang cute nun ah.

For a couple na after nine years,

you still feel that kilig.

And for a married couple.

Yes.

Married na.

Bihira na yung kilig.

Actually,

it's nice having these interviews.

Kasi you know,

totoo yun eh.

Being married sometimes,

it becomes familiar.

But,

of course,

Minado ko,

Liza and I,

we go through that also.

But it's nice to be reminded

why we are here.

And siguro,

it's a nice reminder for us as well

that we are here

not because

we just chose to be together

but I really think

we're meant to be together.

Yeah.

And because we are in love with each other.

We don't just love each other.

Kasi,

the love

is not always there everyday.

Pero it's a choice

to love

and to be with each other.

The nine years,

it was never a hard choice for us.

It was a journey.

Kasi,

ako talaga sa totoo lang,

before now,

very private ako.

But being with ICE,

hindi pwede.

Kailangan

maging open ka.

So,

mga nababasa ko nun,

hindi ako sanay sa bashing.

I was like,

wow,

how can people be so ruthless?

Kasama yan eh.

Pag public figures kayo,

meron nang

pangungusga yung tao.

Agad-agad.

But ICE,

kasi

iba yung tatag niya.

He was my strength.

Nararamdaman kong

pinagtatanggol niya ako.

Nararamdaman ko na

he protects me.

So,

it became a lot easier.

Hindi ako affected sa bashing per se.

Because I was so used to it.

I'm so used to it.

Pero,

because I see how much

it is affecting her,

dun ako apektado talaga

ng sobra.

So, nagka-feeling ko,

kasalanan ko.

That's why she's going through it.

And,

I don't want to be that person.

So, parang,

talaga,

I just was there for her.

Like,

when she needs to

say something,

or she needs to just release it,

I'm there.

Pero,

yung pinagdaanan din natin yung

the way we also

handle ourselves

on social media.

Kasi,

before,

pag ganyan,

akala mo,

okay lang na,

iscreenshot mo yung sinabi sa'yo,

ipopost mo siya sa social media.

Dumaan kami rin doon niya,

Sinasagot mo lahat?

Oo.

Na, parang,

pinapatulan mo lahat.

And then you realize,

no.

Lalo lang,

na nafafan yung flame.

At,

binibigyan mo ng importansya

yung mga tao ngayon

na sa totoo lang,

hindi mo naman sila kilala.

Giving them attention

is giving them power over

you.

So, we don't want to give them power

over us.

Nabibigyan nila kami ng opportunity

to affect us

and our relationship.

We know

kung ano kami.

We know our truth

and I know we love each other.

So, whatever they say.

And, at the end of the day,

walang ibang

kang kukunan ng lakas,

kundi

each other.

I know that's what we have.

Diba?

So, na-overcome nyo na yung

public judgment

about your relationship.

Pero naging maingay din

yung last six years.

Dahil,

you took a

position

in government.

Yeah.

Paano nyo na handle yun?

Kasi ito na nga

ibang klaseng judgment na naman yun.

I just worked

and worked

and worked

and worked

and worked again

so that I can prove to myself

and

hopefully to those

who don't believe

that I have the capacity

to actually lead this industry

to a specific direction

where we can elevate

what we do.

I feel like

I just let the work

speak for itself.

Actually, baliktad kami ng reaction naman nun.

Ako naman yung galit na galit.

Kasi?

Kasi,

kasi syempre

when she came in sa government,

talagang

literal, kinausap niya kami.

Sorry, but you're not my priority right now.

Ganon ka straightforward.

Yeah, yeah.

And it was hard for your family.

Hirap talaga.

It was really a sacrifice.

As in,

sanay kami, you know,

like spending time together every day,

doing things together.

Or inseparable.

So, hindi mo kami mapaghiwalay talaga.

And then biglang,

180 degree turn.

Alam mo yun.

Tas biglang,

just because of their perceptions

or their biases, no,

against Liza.

Ganito yung mga sabihin nila,

undermining what she can do.

So, ang sakit for me,

kasi, guys,

hindi nyo alam yun

sinasakripisyon yung oras

para sa inyo.

Sa amin na dapat yun, eh.

Pero dahil gusto niya

itong ginagamihal niya,

talagang tinatrabaho niya to,

more pa doon sa dapat niya

ibigay sa inyo.

Halaking, yan.

Halaking sacrifice yun.

Kasi nakikita ko, like,

how she would cry.

And minsan she'd ask me,

why am I doing this?

Yes.

Is it worth it?

May ganon point?

Worth it pa bang gawin to

kung hindi naman na-a-appreciate?

And you don't want to question that

kasi mahal na mahal ko

itong industriyang to, eh.

I know you do as well.

We all do.

That's why we're still here.

So, paano yung support

na binigay sa'yo ni Ice

for those six years?

Oh, my God.

Like, he was my soundboard.

And in every step,

every single day,

Ice was there.

Like, I feel like

he even sacrificed

his own career

because he needed to be

that person who will be there with me.

To support you.

To support.

And it was not,

it was a lot, oo.

Oo.

Nung pillar

na pwede mong sandalan.

So, ano natutunan nyo

dun sa journey na yun?

For six years?

Yung six years na journey na yun,

importante na sa,

you know,

if you are partners,

laging may isang nasa taas,

may isang kailangan sumuporta.

Hindi pwedeng may bibitaw.

Kasi yung strength nyo as a couple,

hindi porke nasa taas,

isang nasa baba ka talo ka

or ikaw yung kawawa ka naman.

No.

You're also doing a great,

a big role

to helping,

helping whoever is

right there on top right now.

Yeah.

And it's a rollercoaster.

Sometimes he'll be on top,

sometimes siya naman yung

magsusuport.

Grabe yung belief ko

sa capabilities niya.

And alam kong walang ibang taong

makakagawa ng ginawa niya

kung di siya lang.

Ganon.

As in,

and coming in sa FDCP,

I already told her,

Love, I know you can do this.

Wala pang naniniwala sa'yo,

ako naniniwala na sa'yo.

Yun ang importante, no?

May isang taong maniwala sa'yo.

Kaya mo nang harapin lahat.

And that we are one.

Kami talaga.

Like, alam mo yung parang,

we are yin and yang.

We are each other's strengths,

di ba?

When I'm weak,

he's strong.

When he's strong,

even if I'm weak,

he's going to be my strength.

Sobrang umpronsa sa'yo.

Grabe.