"BAKLAAN" Nina VICE GANDA at ION, BASTOS NGA BA? | featuring @NicoDavid and @RendonLabadorFitness
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Welcome to the Powerful Comics Man Podcast. This is General Dalal.
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We're gonna be talking about Ion and Vice Ganda's issue dito sa It's Showtime.
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Ang Cake Gate na tinatawag.
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At ito, ipatawag nga sila. Sila'y na-principal.
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Binatawag sila ng Empty RCB.
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So, dito sa episode na ito, I'm gonna be...
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Let's analyze kung talagang malaswa ba yung ginawa niya.
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Kasi yun yung ano, yun yung pano.
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O kaya, malaswa ba o bakit malaswa?
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Kasi, a lot of people are just saying na malaswa.
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Pero hindi mo naman alam kung paano ipaliwanag kung bakit malaswa.
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Ito, papaliwanag ko. I'm gonna articulate it.
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Or at least attempt to articulate it for you.
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Para next time na tinanong ka kung bakit malaswa, alam mo kung bakit.
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Di ba, hindi mo pwedeng... eh basta, di ba?
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It's important na alam mo.
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It's important na kaya mong explain kung ano yung iniisip mo.
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Kung bakit mo naiisip yun.
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At yung mga dahilan mo.
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Hindi sapat minsan.
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Actually, minsan naman okay lang.
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Pero it will benefit you greatly if you can articulate kung ano yung nasa isip mo.
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Not just dito sa mga kasabawan na ito.
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Pero in life, in general.
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Meron akong series na 40 Life Wisdoms at 40.
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Kasama dun yung learn how to articulate yourself.
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Ibig sabihin, kung ano yung naiisip mo, kaya mong sabihin.
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And it is a skill.
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Okay, so I'm not gonna tell you how.
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Pero I'm just gonna show you kung paano ako mag-isip.
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Kung paano ako inaanalyze ito.
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And then you can just pick from that.
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Kung ano man yung makupulot nyo, goods na yun.
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Okay, so this is how I do my shit.
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Ito ang The Comics Man Method na tinatawag ko.
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Ang Comics Man Method.
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Maganda natin yung music.
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Okay, so umpisa na natin ito.
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Okay, so like I said, itong si Pais Ganda ay siyempre kilala naman nating lahat dyan.
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Mga Pilipino, diba?
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At jowa nga, itong si Ayon Perez.
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At sila ay same-sex couple, obviously.
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And nagpakasal na rin sila.
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Basta alam na natin lahat yun.
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So yun yung isang nuance dito.
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They are a same-sex couple.
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And itong panoorin natin.
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Itong nangyari nga dito sa...
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Sila ay naipatawag ng MTRCB.
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Ito, post ni Nico David to.
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So makihiram tayo ng mga dokumento dito.
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Tapos basically, yun nga.
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Pinatawag sila kasi inappropriate daw ang ginawa nila.
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At meron akong nabasa kanina na di ko alam kung confirmed.
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Kung masususpend si Ayon at si Vice Ganda.
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Yung iba, sinabi pa nga matatanggal.
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Parang imposible lang tanggalin sa Vice Ganda dyan.
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Diba? Over this especially.
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At this time, dito sa panahon na to,
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basta yung LGBT ay pinapaboran.
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Ito ang ginawa nila.
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Balikan lang natin.
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I'm sure you've seen this plenty of times already.
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Okay. So ito ang kanilang ginawa.
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So noong isang episode nila a few days ago,
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nagkaroon apparently ng Montsari.
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Kinasal na sila pero Montsari-Montsari pa sila.
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itong si Vice Ganda mag P50 na ata.
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Ito may pa Montsari-Montsari pang nalalaman.
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Pero trip nila yan.
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At saka isa pang konteksto nito,
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nangyari ito sa harap noong
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doon sa isang segment nila na may mga bata.
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Ayan, nakikita nyo sa baba.
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Ayan, merong mga bata.
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Basta yung bata na segment nila.
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Siyempre, umepal ang ating rendered labador.
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Wala namang masama na magbaklaan kayo.
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Baklaan kayo pero sana ilogar nyo ang kahayupan.
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Iisantabi muna natin yung komento
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ni itong ating rendered labador.
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Pero panoorin muna natin.
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Ito ang nangyari.
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Ah, ito yung mga simula.
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Breakdown natin yung mga new ones.
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Okay. So, yun muna. Yun muna.
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So, balikan natin.
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Balikan natin ang kanilang ginawa.
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Ayan, ito. Mas malaki.
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Ayan, ayan, ayan.
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ay may dalang cake.
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Tapos, he did this.
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na-excite ang ating vice ganda.
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Ayan, kitang-kita mo naman.
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Talaga naman nga to.
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Talaga nga nakiliti.
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Nakiliti ang kanyang...
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Ayaw mag-boss, diba?
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Tapos, he started directing...
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He started directing...
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He started directing...
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Kasi na-excite siya, e.
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Okay. Na-excite siya.
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Marahe na meron siyang naalala.
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Nang ginawa ni Ayon.
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So, pinaulit niya.
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Mas sensual ang...
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Lalo pang tinagalan.
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Sumuksup pa si Ayon.
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Nang daliri niya.
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Habang si Vice Ganday...
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Nasa iba na ang utak.
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Nasa iba na ang pag-iisip ni Vice Ganday sa mga pasandaling ito.
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Well, ano naman sila.
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Naginta ako si Golden Fox.
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Nandito sa mga...
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Siguro tapos na yun.
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Tapos na natin yan.
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nitong si Rendon Labador.
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Hindi ko alam kung aabot tayo.
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Baka magparto tayo.
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Baka mapahaba kasi ito.
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Yung si Nico kasi
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doesn't think na...
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he doesn't think may mali dito.
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Okay, parang ganun.
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ang dating dito sa
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yung mga nag-iisip ng masama
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nandun sa mga tao
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na nag-iisip ng masama.
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hindi naman niya sinabi
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wala namang masama
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ginawa itong dalawa.
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Kayo ang nag-iisip ng masama!
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Lalo ka na, Rendon!
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nag-iisip ng masama
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dito tungkol sa...
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Doon may disagreement tayo.
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it doesn't mean na...
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Ideological belief yan
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hindi nila pwedeng gawin.
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pasok sa ideology nila yan.
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Okay lang sa kanila.
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Kasimplihin lang natin.
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Kasi yung ideological
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conversations kasi yan ay...
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if you take that approach.
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A different approach.
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Doon talagang bookish.
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I'm gonna try to...
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as easy as possible.
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As simple as possible.
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ako naman ang magbibigay
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meron talagang inherent
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dito sa ginawa ni
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kasi madaming nag-react eh.
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to diminish that.
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hindi kina even diminish eh.
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Kayo ang may ano eh.
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Kayo lang ang nag-iisip yan.
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I-invalidate mo yun
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when a lot of the majority,
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yung the majority of
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at least dito sa mga comments
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mga comments dito
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mostly agree kay Rendon eh.
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ibig sabihin, ano,
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may mali ba talaga sila?
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iba lang kayo nang pinagkaka?
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different set of values?
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And that doesn't mean na mali ka.
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Ibig sabihin lang nun,
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na naniniwala dito sa isang set ng values
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compared to the other,
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that means the culture
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nung society na yun,
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kayo ang predominant.
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Kayo yung mas nakakalamang.
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Kayo yung mas nakakarami.
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sinasabi nga nila,
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politics is downstream
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yung mga batas na ginagama natin,
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nakaayon dun sa kultura
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at sa mga values ng mga tao.
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And culture depends on the values.
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isang kultura natin yun.
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nagbibigay-bigay.
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Para sa pagtulong.
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pag merong tumutulong,
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for the most part.
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sa mga pagtulong na yan.
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paano ba i-describe?
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Ano yung distasteful
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hindi naman tinuru sa'yo e,
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your personal experiences,
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biological na rin.
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visually pa lang,
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etong muka ni Rendo na yan,
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sexually charged,
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or sexually infused,
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There's a lot of sensuality
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in making this face,
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and making this gesture,
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inside your mouth,
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and then sucking on it,
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Alam mo yung ginagawa mo,
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and when you see that visual,
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Meron talagang ganon.
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yung iba magsasabihin na,
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Okay lang naman kasi,
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Kasi, alam mo eh,
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alam mo naman kasi yun talaga.
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is being disingenuous,
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or, wala kang magagawa,
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kung yun yung naisip nila,
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na masama silang tao.
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visually wired ka na,
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na maisip mo yun eh.
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Ikaw, wala naman akong pakialam dito,
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Pero yun ang naisip ko.
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yun ang sinasabi ko.
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huwag mo akong sisihin
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kung yun ang naisip ko.
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ganun ang itsuran yan eh.
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Ang tingin ko naman dito
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he was trying to act,
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Or parang demure na babae na,
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sa tingin ko lang,
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I might be wrong.
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si Vice Ganda yung ano,
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nakakaalam talaga yan.
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he was trying to,
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make that impression of,
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kasi cake yan eh.
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Cake, parang pambata,
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Tapos nandun siya,
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may katabi siya mga bata.
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ito yung impression niya
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of an innocent girl
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Oh, his finger pala.
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sensual din ng kanya
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ang pagkaka-execute
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ng aktividades na ito.
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that they were doing this
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in front of children.
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and another factor din kasi dito,
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sa woke culture na to.
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Another factor dito is,
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I think we can all agree
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na dito sa showtime,
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Siya yung mayor dyan.
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amongst the cast.
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Amongst the host pala,
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ang mga makakasupil lang dito
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Or yung ABS-CBN mismo,
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there's very few people
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who can tell him off.
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itong mga kasama niya dito,
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Sorry for the word,
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pero boy toy niya yan.
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ni Vice Ganda yan.
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hinaharot-harot niya
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si Vice Ganda eh,
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pero he knows his place.
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Pag napikon sa kanya
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malilintikan siya.
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sa basa ko lang ah,
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I don't really know.
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nung moment na yun.
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narecognize niya yun,
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Kaya ang ginawa niya,
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parang sinalang niya si Vice Ganda.
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Kasi that's the only way
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pang panablam mo kay,
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when Vice Ganda started,
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directing Ion on what to do,
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and even the director,
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lagyan natin ng music,
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he started doing those directions,
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ano niyan na iyon?
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gagawin niya lang,
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kung anong ginawa niya.
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para lang balansihin
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Kasi he knows that they are,
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Hindi naman delikado.
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kasi ako wala naman talaga
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what I'm just saying here,
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I'm trying to explain,
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bakit siya cringy,
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ang dating sa kanya,
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ang dating nitong nangyaring to,
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And a lot of people,
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hindi nila ma-articulate yun.
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Yung power dynamics
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malaki ang katawan.
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is in the position of power.
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nasa position siya ng power dito,
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walang makakasawata
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And itong si Vice Ganda,
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hindi naman niya naiisip yun.
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Hindi ko naman sasabihin na,
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masama ka siyang tao,
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hindi, yun talaga ang goal niya.
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Pero itong si Vice Ganda,
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over and over again,
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as an entertainer,
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meron siyang tendency,
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dito sa mga gayitong klaseng,
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skit ang tawag yan,
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parang improve yan eh.
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pag kinilig na si Vice Ganda,
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lalo na kay Ayon,
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medyo nalilimutan niya.
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May mga nalilimutan siyang bagay,
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at wala siya sa comedy bar.
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Sa gay comedy bar,
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a different genre.
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Pag dinala mo yan doon sa,
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Ewan mo kung may clowns pa.
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Doon sa mga ganyan,
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pasok na pasok talaga yan.
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Ganyan yung mga makikita mo.
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hindi pwede yung mga bata doon eh.
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pang nightlife yun.
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itong sinabi ni Niko David.
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I respect his opinion.
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It's with the cake.
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Ano ba yung may sinabi siya dito e?
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trying to give you a different,
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A different take.
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kung ganyan yung painiwala niya,
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sa observation ko,
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he believes a lot of,
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progressive ideologies.
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Pintan mo natin ito.
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Bastos po ba ito?
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it depends on the adults who's watching the video.
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ano ba yung progressive ideology?
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madami siyang ano e,
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madami siyang progressive,
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yung progressive movement,
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parang sagot yan,
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Pasimplihin lang natin ah.
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Nagsimula yan mga,
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nag-evolve na yan.
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Nag-evolve na yan.
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kung ano yung progressives noon,
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It's like a monster.
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kasi kaya sya progressive,
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sa hula ako na lang ah,
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hindi ko na i-research to.
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Kaya sya progressive,
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tingin nilang mga progressives,
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yung conservative values,
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or conservative beliefs,
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kailangan natin i-progress.
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Kaya sya progressive.
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Kaya progressive ang pangalan yan.
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especially nowadays,
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a lot of the progressive,
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Pero they still use it.
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it becomes newspeak na nga.
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Orwell yan na nga halos yan eh.
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ano yung Orwell yan?
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e-edit ko nalang yan.
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Tsaka ano yung Orwell yan?
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Galing yun sa mga gawa ni,
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ang example na to,
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Sa 1984 na novel ni George Orwell,
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sangay ng gobyerno,
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ng mga kalaban ng gobyerno,
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Pero ang tawag doon,
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Ministry of Love,
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ginagamit yun sa ngayon eh,
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hindi precise yun.
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When I use Orwell yan,
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ang ibig ko sabihin,
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ay yung newspeak na tinatawag.
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Galing doon sa 1984,
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yung term na newspeak.
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progressive movement?
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women's suffrage,
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environmental protections,
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and the welfare of the poor.
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actually socialist siya.
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Socialist-infused
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ang progressive movement.
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etong women's suffrage,
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dito papasok yan.
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Kasi women's rights yan,
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ang women's rights,
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kasama na yung LGBT.
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kailangang i-update na eto.
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Kasi they think that
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the LGBT community
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kaya makikita mo,
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yung mga laborers,
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marginalized dun.
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kailangang protektahan.
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there's a lot of Marxist ideology
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in the progressive movement.
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Kasi you'll have to
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kung marginalized ang tingin mo sa kanila,
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you think they are oppressed.
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yun yung main idea niya,
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yung politics of the oppressor
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and the oppressed.
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so pumunta natin yan
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Puntaan nyo yung,
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Sausawan Podcast.
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We have discussed
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a lot of times already.
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Mag-subscribe kayo sa
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Sausawan Podcast.
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ano pa yung sinabi ni Nico dito?
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dito ako mag-go-object
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may punto rin naman si,
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sobrang crush talaga.
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pag parehas kayo ng,
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ng isip ni Rendon,
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na tingin mo bastos yan,
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or at least may bastos dyan.
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May something inappropriate.
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I don't subscribe to that.
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I don't subscribe to that
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may nuance ang mga bagay.
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And just because,
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ganitong klaseng,
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very sensual display of affection,
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kung heterosexual couple yan,
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cringy pa rin yan eh.
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there's a certain extent,
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pwede rin silang ipatawag ng MTRCB.
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hindi lang dahil,
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same-sex couple yan.
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missionary si Ren don,
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pinatawag din ng,
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another thing about,
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the progressive movement.
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Like I said kanina,
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ang gusto nila ay,
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conservative values.
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Pro-gay marriage.
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ganun si Nico eh.
30:30.0
pro-civil union din ako.
30:32.0
hindi naman ako conservative.
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I am a libertarian.
30:37.0
yung limitations,
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doon sa conservative,
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purely conservative values.
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gusto ng progressives,
30:57.0
lagi ko sinasabi,
31:06.0
magmerge sya together.
31:10.0
strong proponents from both sides,
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magkita sila sa gitna.
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pag mahina yung kabila,
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to one direction.
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Both ends of both parties,
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parehas otoritarian yun,
31:33.0
magkita sila sa gitna.
31:43.0
sinusulong nitong,
31:44.0
progressive movement,
31:53.0
those could be devastating,
31:55.0
to the family unit.
32:02.0
may mga mahabang,
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kasi mas popular dun sa,
32:11.0
Kasi most of the media,
32:16.0
yun ang inuulit nila.
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ng progressive movement.
32:31.0
conservative values,
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thousands of years.
32:43.0
progressive movement na yan.
32:46.0
all of the advances,
32:49.0
trace it directly,
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trace it directly,
32:56.0
ng mga conservatives.
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that's all we had.
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That's all we had before.
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nakarating tayo dito ngayon,
33:14.0
maybe we need to tweak it a little bit,
33:17.0
conservative ideas.
33:19.0
I think that is a,
33:20.0
a foolish notion.
33:25.0
strong family units.
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good moral fortitude.
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ang problema lang minsan,
33:37.0
hindi masyadong napag-iisipan yan ng mga tao.
33:48.0
how you got here.
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And if you really,
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conservative mga prudes,
34:06.0
progress is good,
34:13.0
Let's see if there's anything else that Nico said.
34:24.0
ang mga buzzwords yan,
34:32.0
So, sinusulong ni,
34:54.0
ang aking mga naisabihin
34:56.0
sa episode ya na ito?
