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...Yung confidential fund being funded by taxpayers' money involves public interest. Wala tayong batas na saying pag-confidential fund limited on public exposure...

... Hindi pwede sabihin mo confidential yan. You have to explain kung saan napunta ang pera. That's the wrong impression of everybody na porke confidential, wala silang gagawin kung hindi i-certify nila I use this for surveillance purposes...

... Kasi ang general rule when it comes to public funds like coming from the budget na confidential fund, kailangan full public disclosure unless there is a law limiting public disclosure. Wala naman ganyan.

... Information on matters of public interest. Ito the public has right to access all documents, all records, all decisions relating to the disbursement and liquidation of confidential funds unless merong batas providing for limitations.

The Constitution says unless there are limitations prescribed by law. Wala. So the general rule will apply. The people have a right to information on all disbursements and liquidation of confidential funds.

So dalawang provision yan under the Constitution. Itong particular na ginawa ng COA, DND, DBM, hindi naman batas yan. That is just implementing guidelines ng executive agencies at COA.

So it cannot replace the requirement of the Constitution that there must be a law. So the requirement of full public disclosure is still there. The requirement that the people have the right to information on all disbursements of confidential fund is still there.

Okay. So isa-isa yan po natin. Napakalinaw ng paglalatag ni Justice Scarpio ng pertinent provision sa Constitution dito po sa issue ng confidential funds.

So ibig sabihin, pwede at dapat binubusisi natin lahat ng confidential, even intelligence expenses po ba? Kumbaga dapat ginagawa natin yan. Ngayon kung yan ang sagot, paano? How do we do it?

Definitely yung confidential fund, we have a right to demand full public disclosure. Yung intelligence kasi may decision yung Supreme Court, if it involves diplomatic confidential matters,

if it involves national security, the government can withhold those information from the public. So iba yung intelligence, ibang rule nag-govern yan. Kasi yung Supreme Court may decision carving out, sinabi na inherently because it involves national security, the President can withhold information on that.

So iba yung confidential fund. Kasi yung confidential fund, mga agencies naman ito. Mga civilian agencies lang ito. Hindi naman ito involving intelligence. Intelligence activities.

But technically, hindi ba pwedeng i-cite ng civilian agencies na may hawak ng confidential expenses or funds? Sabihin, a matter of national security bakit namin i-disclose kung saan namin dinala itong confidential funds?

Pwede nila if they are involved in intelligence gathering. Itong civilian agencies hindi naman involved in intelligence gathering. They are involved in surveillance. Pero surveillance can be intelligence and it may not be intelligence.

Kasi intelligence must be related to national security. Pag you're just surveilling kasi somebody is stealing the property of the department, iba yan. That does not involve national security.

Okay. Correct me if I'm wrong. Pero hindi ba nakalagay sa Joint Circular ng DBM and I think for other agencies na inilabas noong 2015, ang isang civilian agency pwede siyang mapagkalo ba ng kongreso ng confidential fund at the same time intelligence? Tama po ba?

Well, if the agency, civilian agency has intelligence gathering function, hindi pwede bibigyan lang ng intelligence fund. Wala naman, hindi naman sa mandate ng agency yan. Yung OVP naman, wala namang mandate to gather intelligence.

Malinaw po ba yan na kailangan may mandato? Kasi nung tinitingnan ko rin ang Joint Circular na laging sinasight noong mga nagja-justify ng pagkakatanggap nila ng million million piso in confidential funds,

sinasabi nila basta ibinigay ng kongreso, yan ang tama. Kasi yan ang batas. Tama po ba yan?

Hindi kasi yung Joint Circular is not a law. Ang sabi ng Constitution, there must be a law limiting the full public disclosure. There must be a law limiting the right to information.

Hindi naman batas yung Joint Circular. Pwede naman i-amend yan at any time by COA and other agencies. So hindi batas yan. At pag batas yan, it has to pass 3 readings sa kongres. E hindi naman, wala namang 3 readings itong Joint Circular.

Q1. What is the current provision doon sa Joint Circular 2015-01? Although nasagot yun ang tanong ko. I hope sana lang nakakasunod yung mga nanonood sa atin kasi medyo technical to. Kasi nakalagay po rin sa General Guidelines 4.1.

Q2. What following are entitled to confidential and or intelligence funds? Ito kasi yung basis ng tanong ko sa inyo kanina. Nakalagay dito, national government agencies which are expressly provided budget allocation for confidential fund and or intelligence funds under the GAA or other laws.

But the Constitution will prevail over the Joint Circular. Klaro yan. The Constitution says before you can, if you want to limit the full public disclosure, dapat may batas. E walang batas eh.

Q3. Ang argument ng iba, dahil batas yung GAA, yung national budget at naka-attach doon yung Joint Circular, pwede ba magkaroon ng effect of law yan?

Dapat may batas. Ang ginawa nila Joint Circular. Yung Joint Circular can be amended or withdrawn anytime. Yung batas hindi pwede ma-amend or withdrawn by COA. Yung Joint Circular, COA can change it anytime. So iba yung category.

Q4. Ano yung confidential funds ng civilian agencies? So if you want to hold them accountable, for instance, ito yung Office of the Vice President at Dabao City Hall from 2016 to 2022, ano yung avenues na pwede puntahan ng ordinaryong Pilipino for instance para malaman natin kung saan ginastos kasi ang laking halaga po nito?

So they have to submit a report to the Senate and the House to release the report on the disbursement and liquidation of the confidential funds. Kasi lahat ito, the agency that has confidential funds will submit a report to the Senate and the House, nakalagay dyan sa batas. They have to submit that report.

Q5. Yung po ba pwede rin isa publiko ng Senado o House of Representatives? Kasi again, although ang sabi niyo nga, di naman batas yung Joint Circular, although doon nakalatag ang patakaran kung paano i-audit. So basically certification audit.

Constitution says full public disclosure. Wala namang batas limiting the disclosure. So any citizen can invoke the Constitution.

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