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For a just, peaceful situation there as much as possible because kawawa naman din yung mga kababayan natin na ipit.

I mean can you imagine mga kababayan natin na... I mean the other day na-interview rin ako sa news, just before me yung mga OFW sa Israel lang na-interview.

I mean next to the border with Gaza or there are also some Philippines I think who are married to Palestinians.

I just hope that people try to appreciate the humanity of everyone here regardless of creed and religion.

Kaya nga nakakagalit Richard listening to ex-President Duterte urging the Israeli Prime Minister to destroy Gaza.

To destroy all the people there.

Lalong-lalo na nangyari yung peace process.

During his watch, sana man lang nag-input siya na this is how we did it.

To some extent it's not yet finished but we have relative success.

Sana man lang ganoon yung kanyang... pero perhaps I'm expecting too much from a psychopath.

I was not expecting for Digong to say that because I historically know Digong.

When it goes at least to one issue which is relations in Mindanao with our Muslim brothers and sister, Bang Samoro,

he was always a little bit more aggressive than people would get used to.

And I felt his push for the Bang Samoro peace process and all that was his finest hour.

So I was a bit surprised by that but then again I also understand a lot of backstory to this

and also the ideological alignments with his pals on the other side of this.

Now let's transition to the Philippines because it's going to be a day-long conversation.

Perhaps a week long.

Millennia long, right?

So I'd rather write about it but in the proper context.

And the thing is, Ronald, these emotions are high.

People just died. Children just died. Children are still dying right now here and there.

So when emotions are so high, I'd rather just shut up about debates.

Let's just try to preserve our humanity and pray for humanity.

Yun na lang ang budokin ko for now.

We can have the debate later on but now is not the time for that.

So all I'm doing right now is just calling out people who are celebrating violence against civilians regardless of what side.

Now the thing is, Duterte is speaking out again.

Medyo tumahimik siya for a while after the whole China disaster, fiasco, all of that.

Yung mga nagkaren siya, Karen diplomacy didn't work.

But now he's talking again and he's not only talking about what's happening of course abroad.

He's also talking about the confidential phone issue, right?

Trying to say, oh no, this is for RT.

What's going on? Is this the daddy trying to help daughter?

Is this about him defending his old ROTC bara-bara militaristic ideology?

Is he saying that this is Bato and Robin Hood?

Hindi naman magaling mag-debate yan. Ako nalang bahala mag-debate.

What's going on here, Ronald?

Let's turn to the Philippines. I think mas kaya natin yan at this point.

Well it's understandable dahil masyadong negative na itong issue ng confidential at intelligence fund for the Vice President and the Secretary of Education.

At lalo na napaka-positive ng option na ilagay ito sa mga frontliners natin sa West Philippine Sea.

Galit na galit nga sa Harry Roque dahil ang sinasabi nila speaker Martin Romaldes, we are on the right side of history.

Ako nagwawala si Harry Roque.

Kaya makikita mo na medyo nahihirapan si Vice President Sala Duterte sa pag-handle nito.

Kaya nakita natin last week parang tumakbo siya sa kanyang tatay.

Hindi naman maganda ang relasyon nila for years.

Pero correcto, political survival, lalo na with the last survey.

Dahil, hindi lang dahil bumaba si President Marcos by 15%. Mas maliit ang binaba ni Vice President Sala Duterte.

Pero hindi siya dapat bumaba. Dahil usually pag may problema ang bansa, ang tama sa Presidente.

Dahil alam naman natin na Vice President is just a spare tire in our political system.

At nung lumabas yung survey na yan, nung ginawa yan, hindi pa pumukutok yung intelligence at confidential fund issue ni Vice President Sala Duterte.

Pero tinamaan na rin siya, significantly 11%.

So ang nakikita natin dito kahit hindi pa ito full-blown intelligence at confidential fund, may lamat na sa kanya.

Pero mas mahalaga, ang nakita rito hindi siya katulad ng kanyang tatay. Hindi siya teflon.

So yung tatay kailangan niyang ipahiram, at least subuking ipahiram yung kanyang pagiging teflon, hoping na sana ito mag-grab on sa kanyang daughter.

Pero for now, kahapon nagdilipensahan ni former spokesperson Panelo si Sala Duterte sa Politiscope.

Tapos ngayon dilipensahan ni spokesperson Harry Roque si Sala Duterte kasabay ng ginawa ng kanyang tatay.

Ako watching those three, tingin ko if you have defenders and friends like this, you no longer need enemies.

Imaginein mo yung sinabi ni Sal Panelo, sabi niya anong mali na ginastos ng P125M in 11 days? Dapat lang yan ginastos in one day.

Bakit nakikialam ang Department of Budget at Congress dito sa Intelligence at Confidential Fund? Dapat yan inaprubahan na kagad.

Bakit dapat para masolusyonan na ang problema na yan, dapat mag-revolutionary government na lang.

Yan ang sabi ni Panelo. Tapos kanina naman sabi ni Harry Roque, sabi niya, these congressmen are all hypocrites. They have lost their souls.

Ganon siya, nanginginid, nanggagalaiti. Napaka-self-righteous. Siguro kung ikaw yan Christian, attacking Congress, baka mas credible.

Talawang Christian ka na sa akin, malapit ka na mababa.

Well cybers na ako. Sorry sorry. For no research, yung magsasabi niya, may certain level of credibility. Sabi ko certain level, hindi full credibility.

Pero kung ang magsasabi niya, ipokrita rin. Yung binabanatan niya mga ipokrito, walang epekto. Lalo na sabi niya kanina, gusto niyo bang i-expose ko? Yung mga kabulukan niyo diyan, gusto niyo bang ilabas ko?

Yung mga nangyayari dyan. Ibig sabihin, when he was a congressman, nakita niya itong mga gawi ng mga kongresista. Pero bakit wala siyang sinabi? Kung nakita niya yung corruption sa kongreso, bakit hindi niya in-expose hanggang ngayon?

Hindi ba culpable din siya? Or sana naman hindi? Baka involved din siya. Katulad ng kanyang mga binabanatan. Kaya ang sinasabi ko, mahirap maging self-righteous. Lalo na kung meron kang muta sa mata mo, wag ka masyadong banat ng banat.

Lalo na before 2016 during the campaign, binabanatan mo si Digong as a murderer, as a killer na dapat hindi i-vote. Ang dami mong video sinasabi mo yan. And then ikaw yung defender ng killer.

So sino yung hypocrite? Mag-iingat ka. Baka pag bumabanat ka, bumalik sa sarili mo yung banat mo. At si President Duterte naman ang sabi, alam niyo yung intelligence at confidential file ng aking anak si Inday, e ginamit yan sa seminar at sa mga field trip para sa ROTC.

E hindi naman para doon yung confidential file. Bakit mo pinapahamak ang anak mo? At sobrang mahal naman niyang field trip at seminar na yan. Saan ginawa yan? Sa Amanpulo? Sa Boracay?

... Dapat mawari atin pag ganoon na expenses. I think he's not appreciating the distinctions between the two. Not that he's sharpest to be honest. Para sa Harry Roque, the videos I remember of him, the latest one, yung mga sayaw niya sa harap ni Chavit Zingson ba yan? Napanood mo yan?

... Yung mga videos na ito. Now going back to this, if you look at Digong, ang basa ko dito, I think he sensed vulnerability. Interesting the other day ka-interview ko lang si Ronald Holmes, Ronnie Holmes, and I said, Ronnie Holmes now be the political analyst, put aside yung Pulse Asia mo.

If the survey were conducted in 2nd half of September, ang kotob din niya mas malapit yung back sack niya kay BBM. Siguro BBM will go down from 15-13, Sarah will go 11-12. So clearly Digong saw that. Because whatever we want to say about Digong, he has political instincts. He's a consummate politikot. So he senses vulnerability. He knows when things are not moving in the right direction.

So clearly he's trying to step in. But yun niya, the question is, is he doing the right kind of intervention? Parang baka you're just making things worse by coming up with this ridiculous kind of... But I think it's also about Digong trying to stay relevant and also trying to reassert the whole ROTC, all of that kind of Duterteology, Duterte ideology kind of thing.

I'm sure there's also an aspect of that, not only about being there for the Duterte but also him reasserting that whole... Because kinalimutan na yan. Lost na yung ganyan thinking. BBM is more into economics. So yun din ang basa ko dito. What's happening?

Tingin ko totoo yan Richard, partly. Lahat gusto niyang mas maging relevant lalo na sa panahong ito. Pero tingin ko yung mas dominant yan ay talaga nagbubuo na sila, inorganize nila yung kanilang sarili not only to defend Sarah.

Dahil the lines have been drawn since Tambalus Laws. Sinasabi natin na pabilis pero nandyan eh. So tingin ko ito ay bahagi na ng pag-organize nila sa kanilang sarili as the new opposition who will engage the government in less than two years during the midterm.

Tingin ko yun yung mas dominant dito sa kanyang first public salvo laban sa pinsa ng Presidente, laban sa speaker ng Kongreso. I think it's not loss on everyone na involved na dito ang Presidente. Hindi naman pwedeng mangyari yung pagtanggal ng hundreds of millions of intelligence and confidential funds.

Iba na. Kahit paano may nag-report sa kanya. Kahit paano hindi niya tinanggihan, hindi niya kinontra. Kaya hindi ako magugulat kung bukas makalawa, diretso na sa Presidente yung balat.

So ito yung mga ramblings niya sa SMNI before, attacking foreign policy, attacking the drug policy, attacking the 20 pesos kilo of rice, et cetera. So ito yung first public na atake niya kay Speaker Martin Romualdez. Talagang matindi. Sinasabi niya na bumabaha ang pera sa Kongreso.

Ibig sabihin nung kanyang panahon as President, hindi bumabaha ang pera sa Kongreso. Linawi natin, hindi bumabaha. Kaya yan yung hypocrisy na tinatawag ni Harriet o Harry Roque. Yan yung hypocrisy na yan.

Well I mean, we'll have a separate episode on also, speaking of hypocrisy, speaking of navigating very difficult. Marami tayong pag-usapan. Ibang episode, we'll do it in the next episode. But in this episode, pag-usapan. So we're seeing news of GMA meeting Sarah, meeting the INC leadership.

We saw the picture of Tito Soto with Tigong. I don't want to make too much of the picture between Leni and Arroyo but clearly there's counter-alignments also happening now ahead of 2025. What's your read on that, Ronald?

Well katulad ng pinag-usapan natin sa mga episodes mo, ito na yung reorganization. Katulad ng pinag-usapan natin ngayon. Yung picture taking with Tito Soto ay negotiations, hindi pa yan clinch. Tingin ko may effort din si SP Martin Romualdez at si President Bongbong nakataken itong grupo ni Tito Soto dahil group po ito.

Group po ito ng four ex-senators at isang incumbent na patapos yung term, si Lito Lapid. They call themselves the macho group. Parang yung R&R, the macho group. Yan yung grupo nila. Kaya hindi ako magkataka kung re-recruitin tayo dyan.

So yan si Tito Soto, Lito Lapid, Gringo Honasan, Ping Lakson, Manny Pacquiao. Hindi pa dyan kasama si Bong Rebilla pero nakakausap din. So they are negotiating, tingin ko, as a group.

At yan yung picture taking with Arroyo, Digong, and Bong Go. Pero hindi pa yan clinch. I'm almost sure. Pero yan na yung batakan. Yan na yung hatakan. Going into the midterms. Dyan na nagsisimula.

Di ba meron dalawang grupo dati yung Viva Hatmen? Tapos yung kapila naman, parang macho din sila. Tapos tawag ng mga tag-macho sa Viva Hatmen mukha kayong callboy. Tapos sabi niya kayo mukha kayong kargador. Basta may mga ganyan.

Basta mag-iingat sila doon sa R&R. Yung R&R na macho group. Ronald I think kailangan natin i-triple R yan. Baka naman si professor. Baka pwede natin kasama si Randy David na rin in the future.

Pwede. Pwede.

Triple R tayo.

Triple R. Okay yun. Mas matalino sakin yun.

Magaling-daling si Randy. What's up with bossing Randy? He's not very active on social media from my understanding. Would be nice to have him on.

Partly dahil he's still grieving for the loss of Karina. Partly nag-i-enjoy siya sa kanyang garden. Plantito rin yan katulad ko. He's 78 going to 79 so medyo slow down na rin siya. Slow down na rin siya at mas introspective siya after a life well spent.

Meron din siyang summation. Napag-usapan nga namin na gusto niyang bumiyahe dito sa Asia para bisitahin yung kanyang fellow public intellectuals na yung iba ay pumano na, yung iba ay matatanda na, yung iba ay may sakit na. So bago sila mawala, gusto niyang bisitahin sila at sinasama niya ako. Jakarta, Japan, Malaysia. So parang it's a journey na gusto niyang gawin.

So medyo nag-i-slow down na siya and becoming more circumspect about a life well spent. Siguro pag tayo ganyang edad na rin, baka mag-slow down na rin tayo. Siguro ikaw hindi dahil jet setter ka eh.

I-stemcel na natin. Bakit tayo mag-Wikipelo? I just want to end this episode. Are you, I mean if you are Arroyo or if you are Digong, again let's put our political strategist hat on, how do you make sure na hindi sablay yung moves mo? Na hindi pa-relevant pero relevant ka pa rin?

How do you pull off that? Because it's not like Digong and Arroyo have no cards to play. They do have cards. They still have networks. Digong still has the popularity. How do you make sure na hindi? Kasi both of them overreached, right? I think that's the story of the year. Both Arroyo and Digong overreached. And I think it's also because they both underestimated Marcos Jr., which many people did and I don't blame them for that.

But I think they should learn some lessons from their overreaching early on. Of course we're not here to help them, but what would have been the more reasonable way for them? We're fair, we're political strategists. What would have been the reasonable way for Arroyo to approach Digong?

It's to survive. Magsimulang bumangga, magsimulang to provide the alternative. But ang kanilang strategy should be post midterm. Kung saan, sana from their vantage point, ma-maintain ni Sara yung kanyang lead going into 2028.

Then magbabago yung configuration ng incumbent. Dahil yung mga supportive sa incumbent during the midterms ay magsisimula ng lumawag at magsisimula ng mag-negotiate sa kanila.

So ang mahalaga is mag-survive sila. Hindi sila maging insignificant as you said. And kahit pa-pano, medyo pa-job-job. Yung shadowboxing na ginagawa mo, mukhang hindi mo ginagawa ngayon dahil pagod ka.

So ganoon, survive, form their coalition and prepare for post midterm na magbabago yung alignment at realignment, possibly in their favor kung hindi mawasak si Sara.

So yung war of positioning nila, medyo nagmanoeuvre sila ng prematurely. So now they have to recalibrate. Siguro they can learn a thing or two from opposition during Di Gong's time, right?

Who tried to just survive and find a second wind though and some of them have found, which will be our next episode, right?

I want to talk about two individuals who are still associated with the Liberal Party. One of them is still a member of the Liberal Party, one is Stella Kimbo of course, and the other one is Mar Rojas.

Both of them are very similar, right? Bright people, technocratic people, but also very bashed people because they have been trying to navigate a very impossible and difficult situation.

Thank you very much Robin.

But you don't have Alzheimer's. You're still young. I'm already a senior.

I will make it up to you. You have two Christians in me. Thank you very much for that Secretary Liamas.