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Trying to be a person. We have our original takes on things. Now, Secretary Ronald Llamas, let's talk about this, I mean you worked directly with Mar Rojas back in the day, you were both in the cabinet, let's talk about him shortly, but before going to him, let's talk about Stella Kimball because last time I checked, she's also an economist by training, she's also a very bright person, she's still a member of the Liberal Party last time I checked.

And Mukhang, her attempt at navigating, let's say, the realignments in a way that will benefit her cause, whatever that is, meaning, I don't know, maybe to push for fiscal reforms, whatever, it has been mixed at best, but it's not like she has given up.

The fact that she was at the very forefront of saying, we'll be at the right side of history, we'll deal with controversial, confidential funds in the best way, so clearly that's her way of, I won't use the word rehabilitation, but pivot, she's pivoting and trying to find her footing again.

What's your read on Stella Kimball? Before we go to Mar Rojas, because these two are very similar, and their stories, I think, also says a lot about the difficulties of being a centrist in Philippine politics, right? I mean, can you really be a centrist and a dissent and have your political convictions and not be compromised?

That's hard, right, Ronald, in our politics? Let's first talk about Stella Kimball. What is your read on that? Because from Harlequin Fund to the Confidential Fund, she's always at the front, she takes the punches, she makes the pivot, she makes the recalibration, she tries to defend herself, she has been giving interviews to Rappler right and left. Why would you go and have an interview with Rappler, right? Obviously, she's trying to rehabilitate herself with a certain sector. So what's your reading of Stella?

From my vantage point Richard, I don't envy her position. For example, she's one of the main defenders of the Intelligence and Confidential Fund of Vice President Sara Duterte.

She's even praising Vice President Sara Duterte for defending her. Even the indefensible, she's defending it. The transfer, the release, whatever the final term they're using, of the fund to the Vice President, she really defended it.

Eventually, she needs to eat and swallow her words. And not only that, the speaker is reading her the removal of the Intelligence Fund. I was a bit surprised by that because it's like you squinted at Stella's face, her error, right?

That she's the one who read the removal of the Intelligence Fund in the national budget.

But she's not a veteran politician. She's not a veteran politician. In a way, she's new here.

Her husband may have a little experience, but even Miro was not able to fight the bloody Israeli-Palestinian war in the politics of the Philippines.

So I think her introduction to the bare-knuckle politics of the Philippines was a bit difficult. Hopefully, she will be able to get her wind back and reinvent herself because she's smart.

She's a legend in the UP School of Economics. There are not that many like her and Shelo Magno who are young, smart, and have conviction.

So hopefully, her moral moorings won't be lost when she enters the dirty world of politics, especially in Congress.

So I know it's fashionable to bash Stella Kimbo and people like her, but she's not Harry Roque, just to put it nicely. I think people have to have a sense of perspective here.

Yeah, exactly. Let me read some things from you because I want us to do a proper assessment of what things Stella has gotten right or could still get right and where maybe she's wrong or she needs to still up her game.

So of course, at the level of principle, it's really hard to fight politics. You know that of course better than me. But withdrawal from politics is not also going to help.

You have to engage the state if you want to create change. Now, let's look at how she tries to put things. So her argument was throughout Digong's time, I was true to my values and convictions and stood up to the worst thing of Digong.

So yun na yun, yun ang buong terms niya during Digong's time. Now when Marcos happened, parang sense niya, do I want to be again in opposition for another six years? Iba naman si Marcos Jr. from Digong or the Dutertes as you and I have been also arguing. So in fairness naman to her.

And our argument was nung inofferan siya ng position dun sa appropriations committee, the most important committee perhaps in the legislature, she felt she would have a unique opportunity to make the right intervention so that the budget, the money goes to the right agencies, that there's a proper scrutiny and oversight.

So she felt this is a once in a lifetime opportunity she's not going to get. And she's the right person because she got the intellect and she got the heart. What of course I'm not comfortable with is, did she have to go all the way and say, you know, Marcos, she was asked about Marcos, what do you think about Marcos? She said, he has a mastery of the laws being tackled. He discusses the bills without help. He's someone who at least adopts the problems as soon as they arise.

He tries to address them immediately. He's proud. I mean, like, but do you need to go that far? Do you get what I'm saying? Like, you name problem. And like, actually, I was agreeing with her like, yes, be smart. Look at what we can do. But you don't have to go all the way. And her argument is, I'm the go-to person on anything technical, fiscal issue anyway with Romaldes. So you're already respected. You're already important. Do you need to go there and be the punching bag or do the Harry Rocketing?

I think she overdid that. I think she overdid that. And I think that's her mistake. I think her instinct was correct to say that maybe I can make some good change, but you have to do it in a critical collaboration, if I can put it that way. I think that would have been more possible, right?

Sorry, I'll just quote Ronald. I want to be fair. Sabi niya, the budget offers many opportunities for policy reform. Using the budget as leverage. Every single agency will go through you. All the policy problems you'll have to fix. Oh my goodness, it was to me the perfect playground for someone with my know-how. It was an obvious thing to me. I felt so blessed.

This is when she was offered the senior vice chair position in the appropriations committee. So it's too good to turn down. But my point is, did you have to go all the way and try to Harry Rocket on these issues? I think that's my mistake. So I'm not against her instinct. I think her execution was sloppy.

Tingin ko nung nabigyan siya ng ganitong opportunity ay gusto niyang patunayan dun sa principles na nagbigay sa kanya nito na she can push the envelope further beyond what was asked of her.

May gusto siyang patunayan. Nakakampinyo ako. Nakakampinyo ako at meron akong skillset, meron akong wherewithal para gawin nito more than anybody in Congress.

Kaya nung dinepensahan niya yung Maharlika, alam mo ba yung kabayo, yung may tapalodo, yung sa racehorse, yung may harang dito para nakikita mo lang yung nasa harapan. Nagkaroon siya ng tapalodo.

May gusto siyang patunayan. Gusto niya maipakita na hindi lang siya a good soldier. He's the best soldier who can do this.

Ang problema, politics is not that simple. Yung politika hindi ganyan kasimple dahil alliances, loyalties change overnight. Positions, they change overnight.

Dito European Parliament na malinaw yung ideological position ng mga political parties at ng mga members of parliament. Dito walang fulcrum, walang moorings. So it was so naive of her to think that way.

At ito yung kanyang naranasan ngayon. Sana naman hindi siya damaged permanently but definitely may damage siyang naranasan. Lalo na sa pagdepensa sa Intelligence and Confidential Fund ni Vice President Sara Duterte.

As I said, she went the extra mile. She pushed the envelope further. Dapat naramdaman niya, yung mga kasama niya sa house, yung kanyang principal, nagsisimula na mag-backtrack.

Nagsisimula na mag-backpedal. Tapos siya nandun pa rin sa unahan, defending. Tapos ngayon, eventually siya ang nagsasabi na tinanggal na nga. Medyo embarrassing. Embarrassing yung kanyang naranasan.

Kaya sana this is a wake-up call for her. Things are not always what they appear to be. You have to look at yung mas malalim ng mga kadahilanan. Bakit ka inatasan na gawin yan?

Dapat mas circumspect ka and in a way more suspicious. Less innocent. Huwag dapat innocent ni Richard Hedarian. You have to be, sabi sa Biblia, innocent like a dove but cunning like a snake. Yan yung R&R.

I like this conversation because people are just quick to jump to conclusions or take sides. Pasasalamat na tayo na may isang katulad ni Stella na napakatalino nandiyan sa position. Otherwise this will go to some drabo na walang alam.

And then the other said, ah she's nag-Faustian pact na siya. Tapos na yan. I just think that's amateur way of looking at it. Politics is wrestling. It's jiu-jitsu. It's grind and pound. But it's about being suabe. It's about knowing when to be a people and when not to be people.

Actually Philippine politics is more street fighting. Ang tawag namin dyan noong panahon namin si Karan. It's a combination of boxing, judo, mixed martial arts, but using every weapon at your disposal. Yan yung training namin noong nasa trade unions kami. Si Karan. Si Commander Latigo ang nagturo sa amin sa Baras, sa Rizal.

So our argument was perhaps in principle it made sense for her to take up the challenge of being the senior vice chair sa appropriations committee because pasok na pasok ito sa kanya expertise at kanya ma-advocacy as a fiscal economist kind of person to make sure funds go to the best place.

I had issues with her over praising Marcos Jr. in public. Why is she going all the way and doing the Harry Rocket thing for Sara Duterte? She didn't need to do that especially when nagpe-pivot na away yung mga kabi. Parang wala nang tao sa likot niya. She's still there.

Ando ka ba sa unahin? Exactly. In a way actually, that got my empathy. Because napansin ko, this is amateur talaga to. Hindi niya nababasa. Hindi kasi siya nakikinig sa mga vlogs natin. She wouldn't have realized six months ago, medyo iba nang inip ng hangin after the whole Tamarins thing.

And she's saying herself, I'm his go-to for technical issues, referring to Martin Ramaldez. So apparently you're highly respected and praised. So you don't need to take the punches and go the extra mile if you're already valid enough. Now nevertheless, she has plans in politics after Congress. So in 2025 midterm elections, mohong may plano siyang tumakbo for Marikina, mayor of Marikina or something.

But realistically, if you're still in the opposition, I mean you're part of the Liberal Party, so support and resources and all. So probably she also overdid it because she's also expecting that she'll be the administration vet for a potentially competitive position in the major city like Marikina City.

So siguro nag-overkill na siya or nag-overcompensate siya or masyado siyang sigurista. Kaya sumabline ng ganito.

And their party president is a member of a self-created independent minority, si Edsel Lagman, who calls the minority Iskirol or company union and of course calls the majority part of the administration. So imagine she's part of this political party, the party of my boss.

How did she rejoin that kind of party? The party of Mar Rojas.

Don't worry. But Stella muna tayo. Because the question here is, see we advise everyone because we're here as political strategists. So even if we may not be fans of Digong Arroy, we say you should do that.

Be relevant but wag pa-relevant. Wag sablay yung timing, wag karen. Now if Stella Kim, if we were to advise Stella, what would be our advice to her? How to quote-unquote redeem herself or put herself in a stronger position in the coming years?

I think she has a pretty good chance of winning the mayor position in Marikina but I'm sure that's not going to be the final position. I'm sure she'll have plans for national office down the road.

So how should Stella plan her next three to six years? From this tortuous experience she has had over the past 12 months, sobrang difficult. I think she's the most bashed politician aside from the usual suspects.

Tingin ko kung tumakbo siyang mayor ng Marikina, I'm almost sure she will win. So dun niya i-reinvent yung kanyang sarili. For lack of a better example, Abico Soto of Marikina. Dito sa Marikina. Do something like that.

Because politics is low-cut. Dito sa Makati ni Binay, dito sa Pasig ni Abico Soto, gawin niya dito sa Marikina. Dahil for a long while, very iconic ang Marikina. It's like Manila.

Pag sinabing Marikina, lahat nakaka-identify, lahat nakaka-associate. Yan ang gawaan ng sapatos noong panahon namin. Hindi yung panahon nyo. Noong panahon namin, Marikina, sapatos, sapatos.

So very iconic. Gawin niya. Katulad ang ginagawa ni Magalong sa Bagyo. Katulad ang ginagawa ni Abico Soto sa Pasig. Katulad ang ginawa ni Binay dati sa Makati. So gawin niya. Doon siya magsimula, mag-reinvent. And then use that as her narrative for national position.

I think ko hindi naman siya deeply damaged sa nangyari. Pero nag-tumble siya ng gusto. Nag-tumbling-tumbling siya. Kaya huwag na niyang ulitin. Dahil bata pa siya. Magaling naman siya. Unlike most of our congressmen who are at best mediocre. At best.

Put it nicely. My worry kasi is, although I mean ganito kasi, parang si Grace po medyo na-cancel na siya after the 2016. No one in the opposition wants to talk about her. It's not like it's stop her from still almost topping the Senate.

I mean if you talk to Grace po and there are people who say, well, we're still at the top Senate. But obviously, if you want to really go for the highest office, you want to have as many people as possible and you don't want to be canceled by one major plurality. So how does she... Again, as I said, I'm not underestimating Grace po. I think Grace po is still a major player in many ways. But Grace po would have been even more...

But she will be a permanent senator like Florent.

Yun lang. Medyo na-cancel siya. Medyo na-cancel. Numbers for vice presidency were alanganin kasi she was considering VP naman this last election. So how does she make sure she doesn't become Grace po if I can put it that way? Kasi si Grace po medyo na-cancel na talaga.

She's still being blamed for Digong winning in 2016, which I completely disagree with. I have a completely different take on that. So is there a way... I don't want to use the word rescue or redeem. What's the exit ramp here for Stella? Because I think she still can give a lot to this country.

And I just hope these past 12 months of horrible, torturous experiences will really be a learning lesson for her to go next level. Because sayang eh.

I believe ko yung kanyang pagiging mayor of Marikina, it's both a one step backward and a two steps forward at the same time.

Atras siya ng konti sa national politics pero mag-advance siya sa local politics as the foundation later on for national politics. Dahil short memory ng tao eh. Kaya baka makalimutan na yung mga episode na yan. Lalo na kung magsha-shine siya as a mayor of a very iconic city like Marikina.

And I think it would be nice also if she comes give more interviews and humbly, you know, recognizing, show her self-awareness na, yeah, medyo sumobra ako dito, how I wish I approached it better. I think if she does kind of this kind of a heart-to-heart interview with the right people, not necessarily R&R but you know what I'm saying.

Boy Abunda.

Something like that, yeah. But maybe not Tito Boy, you know what I'm saying. Maybe more like Rappler types, right? I think it helps. Because when I read her interview with Rappler, that's where medyo nagkaroon ako ng more empathetic understanding. Not necessarily sympathetic but at least empathetic.

So I felt that's good. She's smart. She realizes her narrative should also be taken into consideration. Kasi siya yung parating binabash o Stella is like the new Harry Rocker. Parang ganun ang dating, diba? And the fact that she's saying the Liberal Party is kind of weird situation.

Speaking of technocratic smart people but not necessarily best politicians, let's talk about your former colleague, former senator, former DILG secretary, former DOT secretary, Mar Rojas. Let's talk about Mar Rojas because remember last week we just said BBM needs a narrative change, right?

Let's just mix things up, right? And isn't that exactly what it did in Capiz? Giving away rights together with Mar, talking about their youth days and jismis. That looks like a smooth operator kind of thing.

I think President Bongbong is beginning to realize na katulad ng pinag-usapan natin, not only change the narrative but to think out of the box as part of the narrative.

A cabinet revamp I think will happen sooner than later. For now, parang hindi kasama si Mar sa mga lumalabas na pangalan dito sa cabinet revamp, ibang mga pangalan na lumalabas. Pero until it happens, it didn't happen.

So it means the possibilities remain. Lalo na, maganda naman ang kanyang personal relationship with the President. Sabi pa ni Bongbong half-jokingly, sana hindi maikwento ni Mar yung aming bachelor days sa New York.

Because si Mar at least nag-graduate kung isa hindi. I mean si Mar nag-graduate. Tingin mo ba naranasan nila yung bachelor days ng RNR?

Oh my God, nangyari ni Randy yan. But what do you think, if I were to be a bit more cynical, I would say, hindi ba naggamitan lang silang dalawa here na maybe there's really no intention of bringing Mar on board.

It's more like Mar's just trying to be relevant, okay lang. And then Marcos is just bringing him in whenever he wants to change narrative. Or do you think there's really more to it? Do you think there's really a good chance na Mar might…

There could be more to it. Ang problema lang, last year kasi natsichismis na si Mar. Isang taon na wala pa rin naman. Pero early this year, sabi ni Bongbong magka-Cabinet revamp siya. Pero hindi naman nangyari.

Pero ngayon dahil gumaba siya ng 15%, tingin ko mas seryoso siya ngayon for a Cabinet revamp. Partly as a buffer, partly to change the narrative, partly to really improve the Cabinet.

Alam naman niya na there's a lot to be desired sa ilang mga members ng kanyang Cabinet. Pero looking at knowing Mar and looking at the possibilities, tingin ko maganda sana kay Mar ang DSWD. Pero Gatchalian is doing a good job. Maganda kay Mar ang foreign affairs.

Yeah ako, the official for me.

Meron siyang gravitas para diyan. Mas may political and diplomatic skillset siya to do that. Pero mukhang hindi naman na… Parang hindi naman dissatisfied si Bongbong with Secretary Manalo. Hindi siya pa.

It looks like it's really DA or DTI. DTI is perfect for him and makes sense but DA would be the best for Marcos in the way of putting that sum.

Parang meron na for DTI. Parang meron na. Parang kulang nalang i-announce yung DTI na napapalit. Pero yung agriculture baka sakali.

Although meron na ring na-interview, meron na ring nakahandang mag-takeover sa agriculture pero ganoon din sa finance. Pero kailangan mong ilagay si Mar dun sa lugar na hindi negative ang pagiging politiko na ma-appoint.

May isang politiko na hinahanda to take over the finance portfolio. That would send negative message to multilateral and investors. Pero halos clinch na yan. So kung ilalagay si Mar, the best talaga is foreign affairs.

Dalawa lang tayo nagsabi ng DFA. I saw a few months ago, yung mga friends ko sa DFA na maritest sila sa akin. Someone acquired. I'm just saying in principle, it would be very interesting. Tuloy nag-alid natin sa akin si Manalo.

I think it's a quagmire just to put it nicely. DFA is perfect for him because if you look at DFA also, he did pretty decent when he talked to Xi Jinping before a special envoy of Aquino.

He's a Wall Street, global, warton guy. He wouldn't have any problem. He wouldn't be another Teddy Boy Luxin na pakaran na pasikat. He'll be a legitimate respectable guy.

And now, may mabuti si Ernie. So meron siyang gravitas in the way si Ernie. Iba eh. Medyo may George Clooney feels. Now let's go to the last part of this episode, Secretary Llamas.

How was he as your colleague? Because again, this is what we do in R&R and this is what I do. I'll be honest, I heard completely contradictory things about him. I've had my interactions with him.

Ang pansin ko sa kanya is when he's among geeky people like sa UP School of Economics or Engineering, he's funny, he's humorous. Like I'm among my fellows, right?

I remember a joke of his. In 2016, we offered him a cementinola because we wanted him to laugh. He has that kind of humor. It's okay. It's a waste that it didn't come out in politics.

I don't understand what was going on there. Maybe you can also talk about that. But at the personal level, many people were telling me, Richard, nakikita mo lang yung charming side niya. Ano yan? Elitista yan. Ano yan? Karen yan. Ano yan? Talagang raneta yan.

And then suddenly, now that I'm talking about more and more, I'll see comments from people. People message, actually, I work with him. I have someone who works. He's meticulous, but he's consultative. He works. I'm sure he's your friend or you work with each other.

But what do you think is the most accurate? I mean, no one is perfect. Obviously, la tayo may Karen side and all. But what's the real score on Mar Rojas as a person, as a leader, beyond all the pop-up, PR, and all the things that happened during 2016 elections, right?

Mar is a renaissance man. He's a man of many parts and accomplishments. You can talk almost anything with him. Meron siyang alam sa marami mga bagay at hindi mediocre yung alam niya. Kaya together, pwede niyang gamitin yan para mga crisis manage, to govern, to troubleshoot. Kaya niyang gawin yan.

Siguro minsan yung weakness niya ay maingat siya. Maingat siya dahil ayaw niya to cut corners. Hindi katulad namin na lumaki sa university belt. We're used to cutting corners, getting the job done by whatever means.

Siya, mas maingat siya dyan. Sa rule of law, sa feelings ng iba mga tao, etc. Kami, bahala na. Nagtataog kami ng lamesa. Hindi gagawin ni Marion. Siguro baka kailangan nila ng konti na ganoon sa rock and tumble world of Philippine politics. Kailangan may kaunti siya.

Sabi nga ng kanta, kailangan maginoo na medyo bastos. Simhar is maginoo. Baka kailangan dagdagaan yung pagiging bastos. Yung tipong Richard Hedarian na bastos. Yung ganoon.

Medyo balaban. Medyo spice.

Yung brother niya na namatay, hindi ko kilala pero alam ko yun yung medyo bastos. Yun yung nakipag-inuman sa kanto. Yun yung pausap kong mga driver, etc. Kailangan niya ng konti ganoon.

Yung strong point niya, he's a renaissance man na kailangan natin sa gobyerno, the positive side of government. Nung minsan nga nagsalita ako sa Singapore Forum, kasabay ko si Elysian Lung, kasabay ko si Masagos, kasabay ko si yung kanila ngayon, yung PM. Siya yung finance minister then.

Yung kasama kong mga ministers sa Singapore, they're talking about zeitgeist. They're talking about philosophy, literature while discussing globalization. Bakit wala akong makausap ng galito sa cabinet natin?

Ang kausap ko noon si Mar. Tawa siya ng tawa. Si Mar maunawaan na yung sinasabi ko. Dahil panto meritocracy ang Singapore. Nagbabasa yan ng poetry, nagbabasa yan ng ideology, at saka yung skillset nila is multifaceted.

Kaya nga, si Masagos, DILG nila, pwede lumipat ng department easily. Dahil they are renaissance men. Kaya nila maglipatan. Kaya ang sarap nila kausap sa Singapore Forum. Tapos balik ako sa Pilipinas, wala akong makausap.

Ang tipo ng mga Singaporean managers, cabinet ministers, politicians, tingin ko magiging at home si Mar sa ganyang klaseng crowd. Pero kailangan niya ng pwede ng kaunting magiging medyo bastos.

I think he should just learn the right lessons from the PR strategy in the past. Kasi kung ikaw parang Rockefeller and Kennedy, you cannot pretend to be a Trump. You cannot out-Trump Trump. That's the mistake.

Mahirap magpadyak. Hindi bagay.

At saka yun ang problema. Padyak ang strategy mo kasi sabihin na akala mo ang kalaban, hindi maalam may digong pala na parating. Oh my God! Akala ko padyak, bardagulan pala yung...

I think that one is classic Mar na pahapyao and sumablay na siya. I think he's 2019 elections really weak. So if Mar should run for office, let's say if he's back in the cabinet, you think he should still consider it?

I think the best for him is to be appointed in a department na bagay sa kanya. Nasa ngayon niniisip ko foreign affairs. With all due respect, Secretary Manalo.

I'm sorry, Secretary. I'm just saying if ever lang. Yun ang parang ma-swap sa kanya. And then, last point. Parang medyo similar sila ni Guibo, no? Yung matalino, suave and all. Medyo kulang parin sa... I mean of course Mar is way more successful electorally speaking but medyo may similarities.

Imagine a cabinet of Mar and then you have Guibo and... I'm sorry, cabinet of Marcos and you have Guibo and Mar there. Two of the smartest men. Amazing right?

Pero kung ma-observahan mo si Guibo, sinusubukan niyang i-reinvent yung sarili niya. Matapang siya ngayon. Tinatawag niya itong China as invaders.

Nakita mo ba na yung billboard? Billboard sa EDSA? May billboard siya ngayon sa EDSA. Tingnan mo. May kwentong kapapadala ko sa iyo. So nireinvent niya. Parang parang siya ngayon. Nakipagsuntukan siya ngayon especially with the superpower like China.

Tapos nung nakaharap na si Robin Hood, binaraba ka niya. So nagkikingkwala siya. Nagtatagalog pa siya. Pansin ko mas nagtatagalog siya. Di ba siya nandon?

So yes, medyo similar sila ni Mar pero nireinvent niya yung sarili niya sa isang skillset na itawag natin kanina for lack of a better term, medyo bastos.

Let's just say spicy. Medyo makulit. Medyo bardaguyo. Thank you so much. Maraming salamat Secretary Leong. Almost exactly on time natin nang tapos yan. Of course we were hoping to have this earlier.

Sa sobrang mahal na mahal natin mga followers natin kahit 9.30, 10.00 pag-abol natin. Kapon talaga sabi ko I want you to enjoy your day. You're catching up with friends also.

And today I tried to do it earlier pero sabi ko hindi pilitin natin. So thank you so much Secretary for always making time for our discussions.

And alam ko excited ka talaga to talk to me. I mean I'm just being honest. Malikot tayo makisip. But I just have a good feeling about our conversation.

Kasi parang yung mga sinasabi natin nagkakatotoo minsan. I know yung mga podcast namin ni Leloy. Suddenly there was a big hedge fund guy, mayaman yan.

I came to me that, alam mo kayo ni Leloy, favorite mga leftist thinkers. My suspicion is maraming din tayo mga ganitong secret fans who are listening to us and we don't know.

I'm threatening naman tayo. At saka maginoo na medyo bastos.

Ako yun. Ikaw medyo maginoo. Ako medyo bastos.

What can I do? It comes so naturally. Unless you didn't notice.

I know. I know. Thank you so much. With your background na Chinese Confucius, I think perfect na naman sa discussion naman.

Catch up with you soon, Secretary Llamas. Enjoy your trips. I'll send you the contact number of our friend.

Please send my regards to Randy and all. Let's do the triple R before he goes on his way.

Parang di kami nag-aabot last weekend. So sayang.

Let's try to do something.

Lord Dibera.

Love na love natin. Huwag po. Huwag po.

Okay. God bless us.

Bye.