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Ikatlo ay yung, anong sabi nila, on the right side of history, pushing the envelope further. So usapin ng West Philippine Sea. By going there himself together with the head ng Appropriations Committee, si Sal Dico.
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Parang anong ginagawa ni Sal Dico ron? Anong ginagawa ng head ng APRO? So makaka-ob na ito, makaka-ob na yan. Hindi lang nila tilanggal yung CIIF ni Sara, hindi lang nila inilipat sa Coast Guard, kundi gusto nilang makita na nandun sila mismo.
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So I think there will be more of that going into the midterms.
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With more than 90% of Filipinos critical of China, I think this is not simply a political tactic.
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This is moving towards the level of strategy. I think in the next few years, even decades, yung international policy especially on the issue of the West Philippine Sea will be a dominant issue in our politics.
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Moving towards China. Nakita mo ba yung statement ni President Duterte last week na sinabi niya na tubig lang naman yan eh. Bigyan na natin kay Shinchege. It's just water. Kunin na lang natin yung isda, bigyan na natin sa kanya yung dagat.
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Oh my God! Oh my God!
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Talagang gagamitin yung post niya.
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Wait a minute lang. Napalitin natin. Did he just say, tagalin natin yung isda at oil sa kanila na yung tubig? Is that? I'm never seeing. This is crazy! Oh my God!
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Did you hear that?
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Sa dami niyang sinabing out of this world, I'm sorry. I missed that one. Pwede pala iwalay yung isda sa tubig.
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Talagang tatay talaga.
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Lalong pagkakaanggawin ni Speaker Parting at approhead na dady ko, baka magtayo na sila ng bahay nila sa Pangasa.
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At doon na sila every weekend pumunta. Dahil malinaw na eh. The lines are drawn especially on foreign policy.
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Pero on one side, politics is local. On the other side, in the Philippines, politics is international.
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International but let me be clear, pang barangay yung pag-iisip ng isang kampo.
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In fact, let me correct it, after this whole separate the water from the isda proposal, next level, parang I'm beginning to think it's an insult to barangay chairman.
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Because I suppose yung barangay chairman namin sa QC medyo sophisticated mag-isip.
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I mean di ba may barangay din tayo sa Pangasa? I'm sure those guys, may mayor na nga tayo, would think better.
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So ayan na naman tayo. Kaya nga, boss Ronald, I had a long conversation with Chinese-American friends of mine the other day dito sa conference sa Singapore.
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These are good guys. These are yung mga galit sa China, kaya na sa US na.
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And I was talking about how based on my own understanding, my family's own history, I always felt China was way more sophisticated than Russia.
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I mean if it goes down to the two authoritarian superpowers, I always felt that.
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Kasi my grandfather comes from region occupied by Soviet Union back in the day.
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So they will tell me about these horrible stories of Soviet troops, etc.
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And my own experience of dealing with Russians, right? I mean they're fantastic people but I know they're quite different.
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But sometimes I wonder, gaano ka-sophisticated ang China if, like, ito ba yung kanilang mga bata sa Pilipinas?
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I mean like, doesn't China get it? Like, medyo, it's not gonna work. This whole get the Easter, give the water.
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I mean this doesn't look like, quote-unquote, sound to me. Medyo sabog na talaga. Sabog geopolitics.
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So don't you think the Chinese should learn lesson and find some more details?
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Maybe they should talk to Ronald and Richard more than Bakery Forum.
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They're now celebrating in Beijing the 10th anniversary of the Belt and Road Initiative.
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And everybody will be there. Afghanistan will be there. Iran will be there.
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South Africa will be there, etc.
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So in one sense, they are sophisticated.
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They're picking up the pieces na hindi kasama dun sa US-Europe camps.
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But at the same time, they're not very choosy.
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They're not very choosy.
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Wait lang! Wait lang! Secretary Leama, sakaka! Excited ko! I forgot to press record!
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Ulitin natin to! Saan context na ng conversation natin is?
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So, pasensya na. Inulit ko. Hindi ko pala na...
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No, so the context of the conversation, Secretary... Sorry.
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The context of the conversation, Secretary Leama. Sorry, I pressed the record.
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I didn't press the record. One second. Ulitin natin.
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So sobrang excited ko. I'm so sorry.
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So we were talking about divisions within Philippine politics
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driven by high-level geopolitics.
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But just when we talk about high-level geopolitics,
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yung tatay Digong essentially suggesting his own version of joint development.
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Sa inyo yung tubig, sa amin yung isda.
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Is that what he really said? Chiche, kumari! This is crazy!
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So ang tanong ko sa'yo, Boss Ronald, is
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bakit ang China umaasa sa mga ganyan alyato sa Pilipinas
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kung ganyan yung level of sophistication?
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Let me apologize to all barangay chairman in the Philippines.
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I used to call this barangay geopolitics,
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but this looks like something totally different.
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Don't you think the Chinese should start talking to Ronald Leamas
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maybe more than bakery forum boys or something like that?
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Pero nakita mo, all out sila kay Digong,
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especially in giving him medical support in Davao when he was president.
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Pero hindi naman talaga sila nag-invested.
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Yung commitments nila sa Pilipinas,
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especially with the Belt and Road Initiative,
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wala naman masyadong pumasok.
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I'm not even sure if it's part of the Belt and Road Initiative
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or if it's part of the Belt and Road Initiative.
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Of the more than P1 trillion na in-invest nila sa BRI,
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gano'ng kalaki yung pumasok sa Pilipinas?
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Considering yung ating strategic value,
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considering yung pro-China position ng pinakamataas na official ng Pilipinas,
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so baka nag-hedge din sila.
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Hindi rin sila sigurado kay Digong.
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Dahil na alam nila may saya dito, may konting saya dito.
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Kahit dito ay very pro-China,
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hindi nila maasahan na yung in-invest nila ay magagamit ng mahalo.
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I think that's one of the issues.
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Kaya tingin ko nag-agree sila sa iyo na marami silang second, third, at saka fourth thoughts
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with their ally here, President Duterte.
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With their self-appointed special envoy.
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We can talk about the other real special envoy, si Teddy Boy, shortly.
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But going back to this,
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of course this month is going to be the 10th anniversary gathering of the Belt and Road Initiative.
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But Ronald, did you know that this year,
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ang theme is going to be, based on my sources in China,
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it's going to be small is beautiful.
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Because wala nang pera ang China.
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So they don't have money anymore for those big ticket infrastructure projects.
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In short, we lost a golden opportunity under Digong to juice it.
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Sa sobrang incompetent niya, sa sobrang naive niya,
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sa sobrang pang below barangay yung level niya,
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yung six years na ng slavish foreign policy niya,
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he was not able to get one big ticket infrastructure project.
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No Mindanao Railway, no Clark.
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Sana, I mean not even the first phase.
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Not yung like first na ganyan lang.
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Wala, so wala na for me.
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I don't think we can ever get really big ticket from China anymore
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because their theme now is small is beautiful.
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Meaning literally pang LGU level na lang yung project.
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Look at the bright side.
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Ladami ang ating ratan project.
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Ladami ang ating mga piggy bank projects made of coconut.
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Ladami ang ating mga, ano?
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Mga environmental beautiful projects.
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So, for the bright side.
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Ikaw kasi masyado kang macro e,
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masyado kang think big e,
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masyado kang global e.
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Kasi, Ronald, Grand.
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Medyo sumasabay ako sa president natin.
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Wala nang itibigay na credit.
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The biggest creditor in the world.
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Wala nang itibigay na credit.
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Papasokan na nila.
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Papasokan na nila yung tipong Yunus.
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Papasokan na sa micro market.
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Wait lang, yung Yunus Grameen medyo under investigation for corruption yan.
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But anyways, mahabang usapan yung Bangladesh case.
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Baga tayo mag-Bangladesh.
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Like yung six years ni Digong,
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sana naman may nakuha siya kahit Mindanao Railway or something.
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Wala talaga siyang nakuha.
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Meron tayong nakuha.
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May dalawang tulay.
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I'll explain to you.
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Kasi nakatira ako doon dati.
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Nung konyo pa ako.
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Ngayon kasi QC na lang ako.
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Ganito kasi yun e.
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Yung dalawa lang yung lane.
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Tapos maging apat doon sa bridge.
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Tapos maging dalawa ulit.
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Like, not sure how is that gonna work.
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Like, here, traffic.
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And then, wow, luang-luang.
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And then, traffic ulit.
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I mean, that was ridiculous.
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Ayan yung problema e.
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You should learn to count your blessings.
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You should learn to count your blessings.
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You mean 2 years of traffic sa Rockwell area?
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Bili ko na akin ng dalawang tulay.
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Ayaw nyo pa magpasalamat.
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Yung contractor Chinese,
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yung workers Chinese,
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yung budget Chinese.
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Parang sila lang kumita.
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But, yeah, of course, I'm thankful.
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Actually, to be honest, Ronald,
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siguro dapat thankful tayo na walang nangyari
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yung big ticket Chinese infrastructure project
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kasi baka purong utang yan nag-debt trap.
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So, tama yung sinabi ko.
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Pledge trap lang nangyari.
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Hanggang pledge lang.
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At kanina, actually, suggestion ko.
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Kasi nag-announce na naman yung best friends natin
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sa Department of Trade and Industry.
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Lumaki na na daw-daw yung pledges.
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So, sabi ko, Department of Pledges
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daw yung tawag ko sa inyo.
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Kaya nga papalitan na.
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Kaya nga papalitan na siya.
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Dapat Marohas, no?
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Feeling ko dapat sana.
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Kaya nga papalitan.
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Kung hindi si Marohas?
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Department of MOU.
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Kaya, tingnan mo.
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Ano ba yung natuloy?
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Tingnan mo, the Chinese company na naging kasosyalan dito
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is losing billions.
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Kaya I doubt kung may papasok ng Chinese dito.
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Yung CCCC na partner nila Katyalian,
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dun sa reclamation,
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sa likod ng US Embassy,
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So you now have 8,000 workers here being paid.
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Being paid to do natin.
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Ito rin naman yung mga horror stories.
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Baka pupunta sila sa Pogo.
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Baka mag-Pogo na lang sila.
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Even Pogo, wala na.
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Actually, pati yun wala na rin.
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As in levels of kapalpahan talaga yung nangyari.
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Ito pa na yung tatay.
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Yung reclamation projects, palpak.
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Yung Pogo, kapalpahan.
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Yung mga BRI projects.
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Actually, para maawa ka sa China
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na yan ang naging counterpart at kaibigan nila,
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sa lahat pa naman pwede nilang pilihin
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bakit yan ang naging counterpart nila.
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May reclamation sa akin dati,
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yung Chinese Ambassador.
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They're offering free prime rice
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in thousands of metric tons.
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Walang tayong silos na paglalagyan.
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Walang tayong paglalagyan.
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So, hindi makapaniwala yung Chinese
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that we are rejecting their thousands of metric tons of Class A rice.
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Just because we don't have a place to put them.
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So, hindi pa rin masisisi ng China.
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Ang dami rin nilang horror stories
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na naranasan noong panahon ni Duterte.
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Actually, yun nga.
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I mean, just to be clear.
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Ako, my stance on China is very nuanced.
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Later on, we'll talk about China as a peacebreaker
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in other parts of the world.
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I know sa Philippines,
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pag sinabog China, peacebreaker, what?
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But actually, China is seen very positively
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in other regions including the Middle East
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because actually, they're doing many good things there.
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Kaya para sa akin,
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na sa sobrang amateur hour yung nangyari,
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binuli na nga tayo.
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Wala pa tayo nakuha
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dun sa pag-ano natin sa kanilang panahon ni Tatay.
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Actually, I feel frustrated about this
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because I think we could have had
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a better quality relationship with China.
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I was never against having stronger relationship
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but yung quality kasi matters.
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Yung terms matter, diba?
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Kasi yun yung naging concern ko.
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Kaya noong panahon niyo,
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noong nasa power kayo,
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medyo nainis yung iba sa akin.
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I was seen as the pro-China guy.
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I mean, can you imagine?
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Hidarian seen as...
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Because I wanted a quality relationship.
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Ayoko naman yung hawain lang sila for...
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Because I think China can offer...
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Because now I'm in Malaysia,
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billions of investments of China is coming here.
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Their trade is more than half of our GDP.
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Totoo yan na may concern sila about debt trap.
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Mahathir went to China, negotiated,
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they took out billions out of yung debt.
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So, mayayos dito sa Malaysia,
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kitang-kita yung investments ng China,
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napakaganda para sa kanila.
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And a lot of their proton cars here
17:16.0
are yung Geely cars sa Pilipinas
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na re-rebrand lang nila dito.
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Actually, if you play your cards well,
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sa aking palagay,
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you can have a very good relationship with China.
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Pero kung amateur ka,
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talagang walang mangyari sa'yo.
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They'll get you on the cheap
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or maduterte ka, diba?
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So, doon ako na-frustrate.
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Pero ang concern ko ngayon, Ronald, is
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Small is beautiful na lang ang China
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kasi wala na nga rin silang pera.
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Nagagalit na yung mga tao sa China
17:46.0
na ang daming walang trabaho,
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ang daming youth unemployment,
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at magbibigay lang tayo ng pera sa iba.
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So, there's a backlash inside China right now.
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If you don't believe me,
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look at the reports on the ground in China.
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I have my contacts.
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I know what's going on inside.
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So, watch out for the speech of President Xi Jinping.
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The term, beautiful, small is beautiful,
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you're going to hear that a lot.
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Which means, sorry,
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wala na yung mga happy times na ganyan.
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ang plano ng China is to bring in Saudi Arabia.
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Yung mga may pera talaga ngayon
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para sila nalang mag-plug in.
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Kaya yung bisita ni BBM sa Saudi,
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Pero pag-usapan natin yan later on.
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Richard, nung panahon ni Bigong,
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I used to go to China as part of a delegation.
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Delegation of politicians,
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delegation of civil society,
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delegation of trade unions.
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Nakatatlo, apat siya taong delegation sa China.
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During the part of Bigong,
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ang daming nagreklamo sa akin ng mga Chinese businessmen.
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Nagpapapicture sila with the wife of a high government official
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at humihingi ng P500,000 yuan for picture-taking.
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And then with a high government official, very high,
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P1 million yuan just for a picture-taking.
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And then I met a businessman
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involved in big-scale waste management.
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meron siya nakausap sa Cebu na governor of the Visayas.
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Governor of the Visayas na humihingi sa kanya ng advance
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para simulan yung project for waste management sa Cebu.
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Sabi ko sa kanya,
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there's no such thing as a governor of the Visayas.
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Kasi bawal ang Wikipedia.
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Wala kasing Wikipedia sa China.
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Kasing may Wikipedia niya.
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Pwede mo i-check wala talagang governor of the Visayas.
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Pabalik pa ba sila?
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Ano na? Magellan?
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Ang pangalan ba Magellan?
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Ano ba ang pangalan? Lapo-lapo?
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Ano ba ang pangalan ng governor?
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Alam mo, Ronald, yun ngayon,
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namimisunderstood tayo na China hawk.
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Actually, I'm not.
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I had the best treatment every time I was in China.
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They treated me with so much respect.
19:58.0
Actually, Chinese ordinary people,
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I've had super good relationship with them.
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A lot of my friends were Chinoy.
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Kaya akong inis ko is
20:06.0
yung kapalpakan ng approach natin.
20:09.0
Sobrang amateur hour.
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And I actually feel for some of these Chinese businessmen
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who come to the Philippines thinking
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ito ay isang western democracy, high level.
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And then they go,
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they're banana republic yung situation, diba?
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So, see, we are fair, right?
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Hindi tayo haters dito.
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And I always wanted us to have good relationship with China,
20:28.0
but on terms that is really mutually beneficial
20:31.0
like what they have here in Malaysia,
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in Singapore, and many other countries that I'm familiar with,
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including in Emirates, in the Middle East,
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they have very good relationship with China.
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And it's really mutually beneficial and respectful, no?
20:42.0
Parang naging Pakistan ganyan nalang level natin.
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Very subservient, walang nakuha masyado.
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But ibang usapan yan, ha?
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Ibang usapan yan.
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Now, to end on this episode,
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sorry, sa sobrang excitement ko,
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tawa ko, hindi ko na record yan.
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Balikan natin yan because,
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speaking of letter R,
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Speaker Romaldes went to Pag-asa recently.
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Really? Like a speaker going there?
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Kasi alam ko si Belmonte gusto pong muntan noong panahon nyo, di ba?
21:09.0
And this is happening amid all the confidential funds.
21:12.0
So the argument here is,
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is the West Philippine Sea issue becoming kind of default line
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or even some using it as a way to marginalize the Duterte?
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Sorry, we have to repeat this part.
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Hindi ko na record yan.
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Dahil yan yung magiging isa sa mga major vulnerabilities ni Sarah.
21:29.0
Yan yung magiging isang major vulnerability
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ng cabal, nung alliance nila with GMA and the father.
21:37.0
At the same time,
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alam ni Speaker Romaldes
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that this is very popular among Filipinos.
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Itong ating resistance sa China
21:49.0
at itong BRT-Sierra Madre
21:51.0
as the symbol, as the icon of that resistance.
21:54.0
Hindi ako mamugulat kung si Speaker Martin Romaldes
21:58.0
ay pupunta sa Huyungin.
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Ang ganda ng narrative na iyon.
22:02.0
Ang ganda picture-taking na iyon.
22:04.0
Having lunch with the soldiers at BRT-Sierra Madre.
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So it's not about whether he's really sincere
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or siya isang born-again nationalist.
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It's another thing.
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Pero, from the negativity
22:19.0
ng pro-China people,
22:21.0
ni Sarah, GMA at Digong,
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at saka yung positivity
22:26.0
ng ating resistance sa Chinese aggression,
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there will be more of this.
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There will be more of this drama.
22:34.0
There will be more of these scripts.
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At there will be more of this
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change of narrative
22:42.0
from yung pinag-uusapan natin
22:44.0
that politics is basically local or barangay,
22:47.0
to a barangay in the middle,
22:49.0
in the middle of the...
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Medyo New Cold War level,
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which we'll discuss in the next episode.
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We'll go base by base, literally.
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Midiscuss din natin yan.
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Going back to this,
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again, let's be political strategists here.
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If we were to advise Sarah Duterte,
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who, by the way, I think medyo nag-mountain climbing siya ngayon,
23:14.0
medyo nagrelax siya.
23:15.0
It's good for her.
23:17.0
so I'm happy that she's happy.
23:19.0
Now, she's having some time siguro to reflect
23:21.0
kasi I think na-realize nila,
23:23.0
things didn't turn out how we expected
23:25.0
in second year in the office.
23:27.0
If this were a chance for her to do
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not only soul searching,
23:31.0
but a strategic reboot,
23:32.0
what would be our advice to Sarah Duterte?
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Should she more openly distance herself from her father
23:39.0
and try to strike a third way?
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Like, I'm neither too close to US like BBM,
23:44.0
but I'm not gonna be like my father and all the mistakes.
23:46.0
Do you think she can conceivably even do that kind of strategy
23:50.0
of presenting herself as a third way
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Puna dapat tanggapin na niya
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na tapos na yung kanyang intelligence
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at confidential fund.
23:59.0
Ikalawa, ay lagyan na lang niya
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ng magandang spin.
24:07.0
nitong intelligence at confidential fund
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partly sa Coast Guard.
24:11.0
And then, pumunta siya sa IUM.
24:15.0
Unahan niya si Speaker.
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If I were advising her.
24:20.0
Pero mukhang hindi pa naman niya sinesante
24:22.0
yung kanyang mga advisors.
24:24.0
With advisors, strategies,
24:26.0
and defenders like hers,
24:28.0
who needs enemies?
24:30.0
She needs a cabinet reshuffle also.
24:32.0
That's your suggestion.
24:34.0
Kaya nga, tingin ko kaya
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siya umakit sa bundok sa Cebu,
24:38.0
pagkatapos siya depensahan ni Panelo,
24:40.0
pagkatapos siya depensahan ni Harry Rockefeller,
24:43.0
pagkatapos siya depensahan na kanyang tatay,
24:46.0
tingin ko may kaunti naman siyang
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IQ to realize that
24:51.0
this is a disaster.
24:53.0
So, change the narrative.
24:55.0
Iwanan mo muna yan.
24:59.0
Be more circumspect.
25:05.0
Maybe Sarah should also go to
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Ayungin or something.
25:09.0
Maybe she should do the jet ski
25:11.0
that the father promised.
25:13.0
Maybe she can do the jet ski, right?
25:15.0
She looks like someone tough.
25:24.0
Mahirap ka talagang kausap, Ronaldo.
25:26.0
Mas makulit ka sa akin.
25:28.0
I'm trying to behave and be serious
25:30.0
and then you say something like...
25:32.0
Alam mo, minawats ko yung reaction ko
25:34.0
kasi kunyari nagdi-disagree ako sa'yo.
25:36.0
How horrible of you.
25:38.0
I'm gonna be like this.
25:40.0
That's unacceptable.
25:42.0
I was like, ganun ako sa'yo.
25:47.0
No, I'm going back to this, Ronald.
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Yun nga, you're right.
25:51.0
One of her problems is that
25:53.0
yung ma-impresarios niya are not helping
25:57.0
And I think she needs more effective
26:01.0
Actually, I'm happy that Sarah is distancing herself
26:03.0
from all of those trashy bloggers.
26:05.0
I think there would have been liability.
26:07.0
She did a smart thing, but I think it's time
26:09.0
for her to do it more professionally,
26:11.0
more proactively, but not aggressively
26:13.0
like her father's style.
26:15.0
That's not gonna work with her.
26:17.0
Tapos na yung digong as his own way.
26:19.0
So I think this is a time for her to do some reboot
26:21.0
and approach is different.
26:23.0
What's interesting, Ronald, you talked to our partners
26:25.0
and friends that would say, even if Sarah
26:27.0
were to win, we don't think she'll necessarily
26:29.0
be like her father.
26:31.0
So medyo mas kampante yung mga ibang aliyada natin na
26:33.0
hypothetical Sarah Duterte presidency
26:35.0
would be far more manageable
26:37.0
than what they had under Rodrigo Duterte.
26:39.0
Do you think they're being naive?
26:43.0
it's possible if Sarah
26:45.0
plays her card well and actually realizes
26:47.0
this is the strategic reality
26:49.0
in the Philippines? If you're the president of the Philippines,
26:51.0
the digong era is a
26:53.0
sui generis. You cannot repeat that again.
26:59.0
the rival, the enemies,
27:01.0
the detractors of Sarah,
27:09.0
Na-realize nila that
27:11.0
she's vulnerable.
27:13.0
And they will push that to the limit
27:15.0
at this point. So kung hindi
27:17.0
magbabago ng strategy
27:19.0
si Sarah, tingin ko
27:21.0
talagang tatamaan siya
27:23.0
in the next two years
27:27.0
So after the midterm, na sana siya
27:29.0
ang manguna, sana siya yung
27:31.0
magiging leader going
27:33.0
2028, hindi ko na yan sigurado.
27:35.0
Hindi na yan sigurado.
27:37.0
Tingin ko kung next survey,
27:39.0
hindi na pa siya. Then,
27:41.0
the ship will really hit the pad.
27:43.0
Tingin ko, they will
27:45.0
go for the jugular. Hindi ako magugulat
27:47.0
kung the elephant in the room,
27:53.0
Dinidepend sa han nila
27:55.0
si digong. Imagine the entire
27:57.0
Congress, the entire Senate,
27:59.0
attacking the ICC, defending
28:01.0
digong from the investigation.
28:05.0
that is no longer feasible.
28:07.0
I mean, digong is attacking now the Congress,
28:09.0
right? I mean, that's
28:11.0
dangerous. This is the Congress
28:13.0
that helped you on the AB.
28:15.0
Tapos kung totoo yung Vera Files,
28:17.0
nakasama sa Sarah, sa binanggit
28:21.0
supporting the EJK.
28:25.0
At the minimum kasi tatamaan siya
28:27.0
kung yung kanyang tatay ay
28:29.0
makakasuha sa ICC.
28:31.0
Pagkakaroon ng international wars,
28:35.0
Marcos government na dalihin
28:37.0
sa Denarco. Pero,
28:39.0
the worst case, ay kung kasama
28:41.0
mismo si Sarah sa kaso.
28:47.0
Parang nung dati kasi,
28:49.0
dahil mataas pa siya masyado,
28:51.0
ay hindi siya magayaw.
28:53.0
Dati, nung hindi pa sila
28:55.0
masyadong nag-all out
28:57.0
against Speaker Martin,
28:59.0
against Bongbong,
29:01.0
ay nagbabasilate pa
29:03.0
yung Marcos government.
29:05.0
Pero mukhang ngayon,
29:07.0
tapos na yung vaccination.
29:09.0
They can smell blood.
29:25.0
Ang tingin ko Richard,
29:27.0
ang last row dyan,
29:29.0
will be the budget hearing
29:31.0
in the Senate next month.
29:35.0
na even the Senate
29:39.0
yung intelligence at confidential
29:43.0
irreversible na yan.
29:45.0
Yung sword of Damocles
29:47.0
ay hindi na mataas,
29:49.0
malapit-lapit sa pumunat
29:51.0
ng mga Duterte. It's almost
29:53.0
touching the head.
29:55.0
Hindi na siya malayo.
29:57.0
Yan yung manabang mangyari.
29:59.0
Hindi ko sinasabi na mangyayari.
30:03.0
go for the jugular.
30:29.0
He's supposed to be
30:31.0
the representative of the Muslim people in the Senate.
30:33.0
But very safe yung kanyang
30:35.0
page and all of that.
30:37.0
It looks like even Robin Hood is realizing
30:39.0
he has to play this smoothly.
30:41.0
He was under the impression
30:43.0
since nag-number one siya sa Senate,
30:45.0
he will be going guns blazing.
30:47.0
Things are turning out
30:49.0
super different. Dinedma lang yung kanyang
30:53.0
on the West Philippine Sea. Pinagtawanan na lang siya.
30:55.0
I think he's also
30:57.0
celebrating and reading
30:59.0
the writing on the wall, right?
31:01.0
That's true, Richard.
31:03.0
Ngayon hindi na siya leader ng PDP Laban.
31:05.0
He's just an ordinary member.
31:09.0
na nagpapakpedal na siya.
31:11.0
Ayaw niyang madamay dito sa
31:15.0
against his camp.
31:19.0
one. I won't be surprised
31:21.0
kung magne-negotiate siya.
31:23.0
At least for the next
31:25.0
two years until the midterm.
31:27.0
After the midterm, pwede siya magbago
31:29.0
ng strategy. Pero between now
31:31.0
and the midterm, he has to survive.
31:33.0
Kaya tingin ko yun yung
31:35.0
dahilan kung bakit naging
31:37.0
karaniwang member nila siya ng PDP Laban.
31:39.0
If PDP Laban will be
31:41.0
the main opposition
31:43.0
sa midterm to the Marcos,
31:45.0
tingin ko ayaw niyang masama roon.
31:49.0
Although, yung kanyang political futures
31:53.0
be with the Lutheran camp.
31:55.0
Ayaw niya muna ilabas yung
31:57.0
kanyang leg dahil nakita niya
32:01.0
kay Sara at patuloy na
32:03.0
mangyayari kay Sara.
32:05.0
Tama yung sabi mo.
32:07.0
Nag-re-calibrate siya. Possibly.
32:11.0
The thing with Robin,
32:13.0
we already saw with Francis
32:15.0
Tolentino, he already went the other side.
32:17.0
He's the man on West
32:19.0
Philippines and Quad.
32:21.0
He's the Ronald Llamas of Digong.
32:23.0
Just to put things into perspective.
32:25.0
Si Bato, ang issue niya, may
32:29.0
He cannot go all the way.
32:31.0
Kahit anong sayaw niya sa West Philippines,
32:33.0
diyan sa arena, Philippine arena,
32:35.0
the reality is that the ICC issue
32:37.0
connected sa kanya
32:39.0
kay Digong. Meron silang
32:41.0
Siamese twin situation. But Robin Hood
32:43.0
has some room for maneuver
32:45.0
to find his way through.
32:47.0
It's a very variegated
32:49.0
situation. Each of these Duterte
32:51.0
allies in the Senate are now finding
32:53.0
themselves with different calculus
32:55.0
and different positioning.
32:57.0
I find that very interesting.
32:59.0
Before we close this episode, are you
33:03.0
Romualdez is moving?
33:07.0
Is he someone that you thought has this in him
33:13.0
Are you surprised?
33:15.0
Not really. Although,
33:23.0
He suddenly parachuted there.
33:25.0
So, it's a bit...
33:31.0
It's a bit tight.
33:33.0
It's a bit tight.
33:35.0
He needs build-up
33:37.0
because he's not identified
33:43.0
West Philippine Sea. He needs
33:45.0
build-up so that when he goes
33:47.0
to Pagasa, the narrative will be better.
33:49.0
The narrative will be better.
33:51.0
I'll be the one advising him.
33:53.0
I mean, we're already advising for free, right?
33:55.0
So, as political...
33:57.0
We're already pioneering a free
33:59.0
political strategy.
34:01.0
We're really pitiful.
34:05.0
I mean, I know for a fact that
34:07.0
the good speaker has...
34:09.0
By the way, when I say
34:11.0
the good speaker, it's just an expression, right?
34:13.0
Like the good senator.
34:15.0
They make issue out of
34:17.0
everything we say. Because I know the good speaker
34:19.0
actually has a strategic team
34:21.0
which is focusing on West Philippine Sea, etc.
34:23.0
So, he has actually very smart people around him.
34:25.0
Including, of course, people like
34:27.0
former National Security Advisor,
34:29.0
my former professor, Clarita Carlos.
34:31.0
So, he's not lacking in people around him
34:33.0
but you're right.
34:35.0
In fact, even his pictures
34:39.0
I can teach you a bit more on posing.
34:41.0
There's like a...
34:43.0
There are fake stolen shots style
34:45.0
that I can teach you.
34:47.0
But Sal Dico looks uncomfortable.
34:49.0
He's not an advocate.
34:51.0
And their faces are brawner.
34:53.0
Their faces are brawner.
34:55.0
They even include AFP chief and all.
34:59.0
Let me do the production for you.
35:01.0
So, I'm a bit happy.
35:03.0
But, you know, I think this is...
35:05.0
It's like shots fired.
35:07.0
Those are just first moves.
35:09.0
But, it's interesting.
35:11.0
Take two, actually.
35:15.0
But, you know, Ronald,
35:19.0
Someone commented that Ronald is really bad.
35:21.0
My suggestion on jet-skiing.
35:23.0
I told him to go jet-skiing.
35:27.0
You're really a bad person.
35:29.0
You're really a bad person.
35:31.0
Last night, Jason Statham
35:35.0
Meg 2, the trench.
35:37.0
He was riding a Megalo there.
35:39.0
He was riding a jet-ski.
