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You can't impede on someone's freedom of speech.
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It's not being paranoid.
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To me, it's stopping the bleeding.
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It's stopping that digital trail, right?
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I'm not running from the government.
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I'm not trying to hide anything.
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I'm hiding my information from adversaries
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that can take me down and take us down or take my company down.
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So it's very important.
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A lot of C-suite level folks and high net worth individuals
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are doing this not just for them, but for their families.
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They're even blurring out Google images of their homes, Google Maps.
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This is how far people have to go, right?
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Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Charlie Wicker!
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Thank you for being here, Charlie.
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There are a lot of questions.
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I have so many questions.
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If this is the States, if this is society,
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you actually have privilege to see what goes on behind our society.
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Or you have an idea of what goes on behind it.
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That's part of what you do.
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To see why these bad people do what they do
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and anticipate when or why they would do it.
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You wouldn't see everything.
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But for the most part, we do get a sneak peek into what bad folks plan to do.
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And then actually, unfortunately, most of the time,
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it's after they've done something, we have to study it
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in order to learn about what the next person will do.
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It makes perfect sense.
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So pretty much, we are far, far away from minority report.
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We cannot just assume that someone's gonna commit a crime and then lock him up.
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Pre-crime, right?
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Oh, man, I love that movie.
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Can I say I love that movie?
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Minority report, right?
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But constitutionally, we can't do that.
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Because you're innocent until proven otherwise.
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So many questions.
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Very frustrating also.
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Like when I told my friends that I was having you as a guest, they were like,
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ask him about active shooter, school, things like that.
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In the Philippines, because you grew up in the Philippines at one point,
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we'll talk about that later,
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there are security guards in our schools and they have guns.
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Here, it's prohibited.
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I wouldn't say prohibited.
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There are schools that do have school resource officers, right?
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Those are what you call them.
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School resource officers.
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They have SROs in a lot of the different schools.
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Depending on the school system.
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There are private schools that have different types of levels of security as well.
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Not necessarily police officers, but armed guards, right?
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Some of them are plainclothes.
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Some of them are pure armed police guys.
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In uniform, you know what I mean?
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Some are undercover, some are not.
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So it really does depend on what school system you're dealing with.
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But that's not the only solution because everybody wants to go,
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oh my God, let's put the military and build 3,000 foot walls and do all these things.
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You can do all that.
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But one person leaves the back door open, forget about it, right?
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Like what we say.
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So really what we do goes a little deeper than that.
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You want to think about and look at motivation.
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You want to see, are these kids exposing behaviors indicative of pre-violent action?
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Because every kid wants to go, me, me, me, me, me, me, right?
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On the Instagram.
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To garner attention.
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It's a cry for help most of the times.
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And sometimes it's just a warning.
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By the way, I'm coming.
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And if you're not looking out for these types of things, right?
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If you just don't care because you've only planned to react to these types of situations,
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You're only looking at one side of the problem.
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You're not looking at the other.
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Like to ask the question, is everything okay?
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Like let's say I have a friend, Michael Abad-Cunhare,
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and he's posting, all of a sudden started posting guns or violence or,
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you know, anything pertaining to something that's not normally him.
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I think as a friend, I could easily ask Michael Abad,
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hey, is everything okay?
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You know, Michael, I've known him for a long time.
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I think context is really key.
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So when you see that sharp turn from light to dark, if we call it that,
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that could be, right?
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We call it a pre-incident indicator.
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So, you know, it really depends on what's happening.
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And with a lot of these kids, we don't know.
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The parents don't know.
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The parents are busy at work, right?
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They're not really paying that much of attention.
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Some of these kids don't have two parents.
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It takes a lot of work to raise some of these kids.
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So, you know, you really have to look at context.
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And I'll give you an example.
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We were called to a school, one's a charter school,
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and they said, this kid, we're going to arrest him.
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He's 13 years old.
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He brought a fruit knife to work.
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I mean, to school, sorry, not to work, to school.
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And so the principal called me and said, what are we going to do here?
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We have a threat management team,
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and the police just want to put this kid in handcuffs
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because one of the kids reported him to their parents.
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The parents called the police, said this kid has a knife in school.
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So I asked, what's the context?
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They said, what is that?
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Did he threaten anybody with the knife?
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Did he chase after somebody?
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Did he make a conditional threat?
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He threatened students.
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Is he a straight A student?
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Is he a good student?
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Has he had any disciplinary action?
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His story is, he has to walk two miles home every day from school,
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pick up a fruit knife, walk back another mile
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to help his parents cut fruit on the side of the street.
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This is how they make money, right?
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So one day he decided, I'm going to take a shortcut.
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I'm going to bring the knife to school.
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Look, what he did was wrong.
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Of course, you don't bring weapons to school.
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You got to look at the context, right?
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So what are we going to do?
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Arrest this kid, give him a record.
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This record follows you.
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For the rest of your life, yeah.
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Forever and ever. Amen.
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That's a bankruptcy.
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After seven years, I think.
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Nobody can fill up an application, right?
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Oh, you have to put it in, yeah.
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Otherwise, you're lying.
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But so, you know, that's the context.
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And we, you know, talk the school into,
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let's not jam this kid's life for the rest of his life, right?
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This is, you got to look at context.
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If he made an online threat, he threatened his students,
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or, you know, classmates,
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and, you know, he put threats everywhere,
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then yes, obviously, that's a...
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Because there are markers, right?
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Pre-incident indicators, right?
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We call them PIIs.
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Pre-incident indicators.
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Speaking of kids, and this 13-year-old boy,
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when you were 13, you had a very colorful childhood also.
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Did you have PIIs when you were a kid?
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Who told you this?
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Oh, my God, it takes one to know one, I guess.
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But growing up, what's your history?
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Like you grew up in the Philippines,
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you have a non-Filipino last name,
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not to say that even your last name is not Pinoy.
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But, but I look Pinoy, you look like Tisoy.
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So what's your history?
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Um, my mom is Vietnamese and my dad is white,
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and we lived in the Philippines.
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So, you know, me and my siblings,
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there's seven of us total.
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How many boys and girls?
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There's four boys, three girls.
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And I'm second to the youngest,
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you know, grew up in Manila.
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Just being us, this is all we knew, right?
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Living in the Philippines and having a great time,
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I guess, you know, could say looking back,
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I'm like, wow, you really had it good there.
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You come here, you have to work.
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And you work, you know, three, four, five jobs, right?
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Yeah, I did have a little colorful,
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what do you call this, teenage time.
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But I'm not going to talk much about that.
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Let's not talk much about that.
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I had a lot of good friends.
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Your teenage life, did that open your eyes?
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Now, you know, when I grow up,
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maybe this could be a profession, a career, or an advocacy.
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When did that turning point happen?
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You give me way too much credit.
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You give my childhood way too much credit.
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No, I wasn't even thinking about anything, really.
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I was just thinking about hanging out with the barcada.
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This is true, right?
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Hanging out the next day with your barcada,
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or, you know, having a good time.
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You know, I think when it got to the point where my dad was like,
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You can't just keep sitting around doing nothing, right?
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You either need to get a job or move out.
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And at the time, my mom was living in San Francisco.
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So I was like, hmm, you know what?
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I'll take option two.
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So from the Philippines, you went to San Francisco.
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Yeah, you're an adult now, right?
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So I went with my sister.
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She took me over.
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And yeah, it was a real eye-opening because by then, I was 18.
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So done with high school.
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I left a good life.
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So you went to college right away, or did you work after?
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I went straight to Pizza Hut.
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Galing, University of Pizza Hut, right?
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That's where you start.
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By the way, I was a dough master.
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Master's degree, UPH.
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First job, master already.
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Ano ba UPH, University of Pizza Hut?
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You gotta start somewhere, right?
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Did it humble you or did it make you hate your dad?
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Never hated my dad.
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Maybe temporarily despised the fact that,
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oh man, I left all of that for this.
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Riding a bicycle at four in the morning, three miles to go work.
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But you know what?
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I think it humbled me, number one.
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Number two, it made me think about, hmm, what's next?
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What can I do next?
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Okay, let me, let me, that rhetoric now, what's next?
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Because our audience,
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Sabi nga namin ni Michael,
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if we're able to inspire just one person with your episode,
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we've done our job, no?
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Yung what's next na yan.
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Remember, sa Philippines, happy-go-lucky,
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you had the good life and all that stuff.
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Ang concept mo ng what's next is, ano kaya'ng gimmick ko bukas?
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That's what, that was the concept in the Philippines.
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Sino kaya'ng gagagawin ko bukas?
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Sino kaya'y inisin ko bukas?
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Pero pagdating sa Amerika, same question, what's next?
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Pero were you looking toward your future na?
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You know, at that point, I thought about it.
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Number one, this is unsustainable.
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Doughmaster, first job.
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You know, let's, let's get another job.
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Went across the street, got another job at Arby's, right?
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Now I can, I can earn some money, buy a car, what's next?
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It's a double job.
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Absolutely, one after the other.
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Until I ate too many roast beef sandwiches.
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But anyways, um, I'm gonna bust you out too.
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You know, I wasn't eating a lot of bread,
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so I was just slicing meat and putting cheese in it.
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I was riding the bike home one day,
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got home, turned the TV on, and I saw a commercial.
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My dad was, you know, a captain in the Navy a long time ago.
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And then from there, he went to the OSS,
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and then he went into the CIA, is what he did.
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All right, let's clear that up for everybody in Manila.
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And he always wanted at least one of us boys to go,
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go into the Navy.
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But he never forced you guys to do that.
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He was not the forceful kind of, he suggest.
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Sometimes strongly suggested.
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It's a family tradition.
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So I saw a commercial, I'm like, oh man, I miss my dad.
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And at that point, I decided, you know what?
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I'm going to do something that no one's ever going to expect that I could do.
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I'm going to make a decision for myself.
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An adult, an adult decision.
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So it's like a cruise.
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Well, thank you for your service.
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Peeled potatoes, what'd you do?
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When you join as an enlisted person, you know, you don't know where you're going.
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Oh, it's Anaconda.
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And they make it, they painted a very nice picture.
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On eggshells that are cracked.
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And by the time the bus door opens to get out into bootcamp,
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wala na yung picture.
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What am I looking at?
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The yelling starts, the screaming starts.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait.
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You made the decision and whom did you tell?
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I was living with my brother at the time.
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In Sunnyvale, California.
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That's where he lived.
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And, you know, he was like, you did what?
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So I joined the Navy.
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You, what are you talking about?
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You joined the Navy?
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I signed the contract.
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I showed him the contract.
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Oh, man, dad's going to kill you.
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You know, that's the first thing he said to me.
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I was like, too late.
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I told him I ship out in two months.
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He goes, why two months?
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Why not two days?
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Well, they said I was too skinny.
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I was, well, Mike knows I was, you know.
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Crackhead skinny back then.
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I was very skinny, very hyper kid, right?
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Played soccer, played the drums or pretended to play the drums.
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You know, very kite-kite kind of kid, you know.
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But yeah, I ate some bananas and, you know, drank some beers.
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That's a whole, you want to fatten up, eat bananas, drink beers.
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That's banana and beer diet.
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So where most people in bootcamp are trying to lose weight.
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Yeah, you were trying to gain weight.
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I was trying to gain weight, right?
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So I finally got to whatever weight that was.
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I don't know, it was 125 or something.
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Because they didn't want me to die in bootcamp.
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And then from there, they shipped me down to San Diego and I did the whole thing.
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That's history from there.
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How did it feel from living in the Philippines?
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That you have servants, you have house help.
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Then you became a doughmaster in Pizza Hut.
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Then you went to Arby's.
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You said it was humbling.
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And then this, joining the military.
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Not because you wanted to join the military,
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but because you wanted to prove to everybody and to yourself that you can make a decision.
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I also wanted to join the military.
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Oh, you wanted to?
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Obviously, at that point.
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You come to a turning point.
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You come to a crossroads of fast food or military.
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That's where I was.
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What else was I thinking about?
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That's what I was thinking.
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Pagdating mo sa San Diego, what did you expect it to be?
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Were you able to go walk the gaslight, gas lamp district?
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Nasa base ka lang?
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You're on the base.
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Your whole bootcamp's on the base.
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And right next to the Marine Corps bootcamp down in San Diego.
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Much better now because Navy bootcamp is in Great Lakes, Illinois now.
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They shut down the San Diego.
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So we were one of the last classes to go through San Diego,
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which is great because you get the sunlight.
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To me, it was more about proving to myself that I can hack this.
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As you know, me growing up, I did the school tour.
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San Agustin, Don Bosco, a bunch of different schools.
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And one of them was actually Far East Military Academy, FEMA.
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Narinig ko na yun.
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Narinig ko ni FEMA.
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And two of my well-behaved brothers were also sent there.
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So my dad only sent well-behaved students to FEMA.
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My younger brother never had the pleasure of hanging out
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in a boarding school.
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So to me, it was like, oh, I've already done kind of this before.
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I know about discipline and I think I can take it.
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And compared to everyone else, I was shocked because people were like
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crying in their bed for their mom and I want to go home.
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You just kind of get to a point where you suck it up
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and think about the next evolution, think about the next day.
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And then because growing up in the Philippines, you have good handwriting.
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So I was the scribe.
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And then I was in band.
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So I was on the graduation high school.
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I mean, the bootcamp graduation band because I kind of played the drums.
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So that was good.
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Kick the bass drum.
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What do you call it?
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The Energizer Bunny.
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But, you know, it wasn't to skate away from all the other stuff.
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They were trying to keep me plump, not skinny.
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So, you know, I had a good, really, I had a good experience at bootcamp
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whereas a lot of people don't.
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And then you get your orders and then they send you to wherever you want.
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Where were you first assigned?
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Well, you know, they first give you a wish list.
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Now, getting an eggshells then.
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Where do you want to go?
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Where do you want to be stationed?
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Hawaii, San Diego, Miami.
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And I got Bremerton, Washington, which is North, you know, North Washington.
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Not my vibe, right?
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You know, it's not what I grew up with.
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You know, I want to be near the beach.
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But, you know, you kind of take the order.
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You don't have a choice at this point.
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You sign a contract.
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You know, you stick to it.
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And I think joining the military does teach you, you stick to your commitments.
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You don't break them.
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So, with anything after that, it comes from passing through that first phase of
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sticking to what you committed to doing.
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If I have too many hand movements, let me know.
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So, to me, that was very cool.
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I got to go get deployed.
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You know, we were on a ship.
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You know, different countries.
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There's a six-month tour called the Westpac.
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Western Pacific region.
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You were on a ship for six months.
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Well, I mean, not straight, but I guess on and off.
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You would go to Australia, get off the ship, two days, go to Hawaii, do the same thing.
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So, we were going everywhere.
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Hawaii, Japan, Dubai, you know, Diego Garcia.
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You kind of do the Western Pacific tour.
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And, you know, as in...
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Was this on an aircraft carrier or?
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No, no, no, no, no.
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I was on an oiler, ammunition oiler.
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We call it a floating bomb.
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We carried all the weapons and all the fuel.
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So, it's a gas truck for the bombs.
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But yeah, it was very interesting.
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I think when you come in unrated, meaning you don't know what you really want to do.
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You kind of rotate through different departments and figure out, you know,
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I know I don't like the kitchen because it's too hot.
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I don't like the back of the kitchen because I'm really bad at peeling potatoes.
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I don't want to be in laundry.
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I don't want to be in the bank because we do have, you know, an accounting bank.
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I don't want to be cutting hair.
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There's a whole bunch of different things.
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So, it's pretty vocational, right?
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Pretty much, you know.
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That's when you come in, we call it unrated.
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Because this guy doesn't know what to do and has no skills yet.
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And they put you in different departments.
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So, the one where I really stood out in was the weapons department.
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So, I was a gunner's mate.
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At that point, I started studying to become a gunner's mate.
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So, you learn about different systems, different big guns, small guns, handguns, long guns, etc.
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And we maintain and we shoot a lot.
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So, that's what I did.
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And, you know, to me, I'll tell you what, being that I grew up in the Philippines,
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being in the Navy was the best for anybody who can speak Tagalog.
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Everybody who makes decisions on these ships, on any base, is a Filipino chief.
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I mean, the best.
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You want sinigang on the boat?
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The guys who run the kitchen, they have sinigang every Wednesday.
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I was like, that's why it was so easy for me, maybe.
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You want your laundry done like this really fast, no?
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These guys, they hook you up.
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The chiefs hook you up.
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And, you know, as a young recruit with no rank, really, at the end of the day,
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you're not really supposed to be hanging out with the jefes, you know?
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But they go, hey, when we go to the boat, we're going to go hang out.
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We're going to karaoke.
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I was like, absolutely.
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You get to hang out with the chiefs.
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Because, you know, young sailor, you had no money.
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I was telling my wife, she goes, how much would you have when you guys go out?
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$20 if you're lucky.
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If you haven't already spent it all.
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So, yeah, it was good to kind of have the camaraderie on the boat.
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And back then, you know, we made duosi also on the fantail.
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It's mostly, you know.
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Pinoy, Pinoy, yeah.
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But your dad, when he found out that you were joining, that you enlisted,
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what was the conversation?
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He was less than elated, I guess.
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He wanted me to go to U.S. Naval Academy.
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You know, be an officer.
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But, you know, as Frankie said, I did it my way.
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That's your pride.
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I, you know, at the end of the day, sure, it was a great idea.
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But I think, you know, to have made that decision on your own was a crucial turning point.
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I think in the end, my dad was proud of me as well.
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You know, we talked about when I was doing health care work, he asked me if I was happy.
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I go, I'm pretty happy.
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You know, money's pretty good.
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He goes, well, what about the other thing?
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You know, that's when I started my other company.
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And I said, yeah, you know what?
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I think that does, for me, make me really happy.
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Because what I was doing was I was helping other people, right?
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I was helping retirees get back into the game.
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But we'll get more into that later on if you want.
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So, okay, how many years did you do in the Navy?
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20? Did you complete 20?
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Four, if I was lucky.
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Yeah, I just did one tour and then went into the reserves and stayed in the reserves.
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For a little bit.
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Until about 2017, I believe.
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After that, you mentioned health care.
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Yeah, I went into, you know, when I left the Navy, I went to get a degree in marine technology.
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So, wait, you went to college through the Navy or after the Navy?
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Through the Navy.
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Which is cool, at least.
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They combined some stuff.
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At least you went to college as well, right?
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I went to a place called the College of Oceaneering.
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Which was then taken over by National University.
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Where I became an actual instructor there as well as a professor.
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So, I taught diving and hyperbaric medicine.
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So, it really does go back to what the old Navy divers would do, right?
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When you go too deep, you're there too long.
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Or you hold your breath and you go up, you get the bends.
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So, they were in the process of putting these in hospitals to help patients with non-healing wounds.
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Because you're under dialysis, you have bed sores and all that.
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Oh, yeah. Pressure ulcers.
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So, you know, that's kind of what I got into when I was done doing all the studying.
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I worked at UCLA when they opened a new program there.
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Still single at this point?
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I believe so, yeah.
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Be careful with your answers.
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We'll have to rewind that.
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We, you know, we put in a hyperbaric unit there.
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And from there, I just, you know, that healthcare part of the career took off from running chambers
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to going inside the chambers to being a dive medic, a certified hyperbaric tech.
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So, I went through that pathway, became a manager, became a supervisor,
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became a regional director, became a regional vice president.
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So, I've gone as far, I think, as I could go.
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And I was doing all the deals with the hospitals, getting the contracts with hospitals.
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And then I would visit, make sure operationally it was working fine.
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Now, while you were doing this, because when you were in the Navy, you were in charge of weapons.
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I'm pretty sure it rubbed off on you.
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So, when you were done, when you were in the reserve, would you shoot on weekends?
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No, you know, not really.
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And that's a misnomer.
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A lot of folks think military guys would go out on weekends and shoot.
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Yeah, I was gonna.
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Now, you don't want to do what you were doing for work anyways, right?
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The diving part, absolutely.
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I love, I love diving.
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I was exposed to a lot of cool dive equipment in the Navy.
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So, you know, doing, working with teams that were dealing with underwater explosives to get rid of them.
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That's, you want it crazy here.
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Akala ko na being exposed to fish, different fish, different explosives.
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So, I worked in an explosive ordnance disposal, which is the Navy's bomb squad, basically.
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So, you know, it's very interesting with, you know, the different breathing systems and the
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different devices we were able to play with.
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So, we did a lot of surface warfare and we did a lot of underwater warfare as well.
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So, that's, that's the skill that I learned the hyperbaric stuff in the Navy as well.
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That's a skill that I took out with me, right?
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With the hopes that we can use it to help other people as well.
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You know, heal their wounds, et cetera.
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To me, it was foreign because I'm used to treating divers with the bends.
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And now I'm treating, you know, seniors with wounds, pressure ulcers, and diabetic foot ulcers.
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They're losing their toes.
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And what our job was, was to prevent, you know, them from losing their toes, right?
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To keep them walking, that was the important part.
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And then you had that conversation with your dad, tapos you went into this business that...
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Yeah, we talked about it.
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He asked me if I was happy and I said, yeah, I think I'm pretty happy.
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At this point, was your dad retired or...
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Oh no, he was way retired.
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My dad had me when he was 56.
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So, this was a conversation probably in his late 80s, right?
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And I said, you know, I do want to do something that would help those who retired from service
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to get back in the game and give back.
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A lot of people when I was in the 80s, I saw them being forced out into retirement.
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At a certain rank, you don't move up, you got to move out.
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This is how it works, right?
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So, we call it higher tenure.
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And these guys still had something to give back.
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And what's a better way, you know, to keep them engaged,
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keep their clearance going, and keep them working in retirement?
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And that's when we came up with the concept of the company, CT Watch.
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We started with dive programs, right?
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You know, to train police divers, you know, train public safety divers.
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And then we transitioned from that to doing other stuff.
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How's that sound?
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The other stuff is too general.
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That's what I want to know.
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You want to get...
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Is that what you're talking about?
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Is that Jack Ryan?
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I can tell you, Paco, but I'll have to kill you.
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Someone else will.
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I kid, I kid, I joke, I joke.
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The other stuff is more human intelligence related, open source intelligence related.
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You talked about active shooters earlier.
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How do we detect early?
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You know, when you post something online,
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you might as well put a billboard on Sunset Boulevard, correct?
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I hope that statement reverberates with everybody, talaga.
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And if it's a threat, eventually someone's going to see it.
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They report it to their parents.
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Parents report it to the principal.
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Get the word out there as soon as possible, right?
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So, you know, some of the techniques that we train our clients is how to look forward,
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how to make prevention a reality.
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How do we prevent these types of events from happening?
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This is not just school shootings.
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There's also terrorism-related things that we deal with.
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Prevent without really stepping on their rights, right, Paco?
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Well, you know, you got to define, you know, where you're going to go.
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And the country already has done that, right?
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We have the constitution.
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So you can't impede on someone's, you know, freedom of speech.
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But then again, Charlie, you know, when they post online or whatever,
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they hide behind that freedom of speech.
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Well, until it becomes a criminal threat, then freedom of speech all the while.
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Can you give them an example?
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Like me saying, like, what would be freedom of speech?
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Like, I hate the government.
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You can say that.
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I mean, say whatever you want, really.
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To the point where you're not threatening, right?
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A specific group of people or a specific person,
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and you don't have the capability to carry out those threats.
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So again, we're back to context, right?
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So you have to have good context as well when you're looking at these things.
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And, you know, the FBI is really good at making sure
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they do not trample on your constitutional rights.
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So they're always looking out for these types of things as well.
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So when you say looking out for these type of things as well,
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yung mga sinasabi ba ni Edward Snowden, may katotohanan ba yan?
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Ano yung feeling na gusto kong magtanong na hindi na-excite, diba?
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He did give out some information he should have never given out.
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Yeah, but you know, no matter where you sit, right?
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I think at the end of the day, the important thing is,
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how do we manage these threats and how do we make sure,
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number one, you don't trample on people's constitutional rights.
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When you act too soon, you go, well, how'd you find out?
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You violated my rights, right?
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And then an action happens and then people end up dying.
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You didn't act soon enough.
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Too late na, diba?
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I'm gonna sue you too.
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So it's kind of like, damn if you do, damn if you don't, right?
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There is a delicate balance in between that law enforcement takes.
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So they can do that.
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There are red flag laws.
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People report you.
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You have domestic violence.
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You shouldn't have any weapons.
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It's those things.
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That's why they're putting those rules there, right?
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But at the end of the day, if a citizen reports you and says,
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hey, I think this person is going to do this and they have the means,
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they have the absolute posts online saying, I'm going to do this on this day.
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They have to look into it, right?
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So when we ask that question, report suspicious activity.
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And it doesn't come from the government.
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Everyone thinks the government's that good at doing what they're supposed to do.
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No, they're only as good as their private sector partnerships.
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So if the government is partnered with the private sector
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and the private sector is good, i.e. our citizens at reporting,
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reporting the right thing, not cats and trees,
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then maybe, maybe we can prevent more of these tragedies from happening.
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Like you, in the part where you say, damn if you do, damn if you don't.
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Among everybody here in the studio right now,
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you're the person with more stories or more.
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You've witnessed stuff that we probably can only guess or second guess.
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So you're with the people who are doing things.
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You're part of the solution, which is why we're able to sleep at night.
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Pero ang tanong dito is, are you able to sleep at night knowing what you know?
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So we're secure, parang masayang we're secure.
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We know we have a lot of real dedicated people out there
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that are doing what they're supposed to be doing to protect us.
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But abroad, especially abroad, diba?
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Really, really hardworking, patriotic people.
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And I do trust that, right?
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We have people that are not there, setting us up to fail.
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We have people out there trying to help us be more safe.
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And you have to look at it in that light, you know,
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versus people out there trying to trample on, you know,
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there's, yeah, there are bad apples, I'm sure that are out there.
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But for the most part, they're really, really good people.
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And I'll tell you what, they don't get paid that much money.
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Dedication talaga, diba?
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Commitment, yeah.
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Tapos, okay, regular citizens like us who complain, who bicker,
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who think that we know more than what the people running the show do know.
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How far off is society compared to what it actually is?
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They're accusing the state of?
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I would say pretty far.
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Pretty far from the actual reality.
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Especially nowadays that everyone is so, they're so divided.
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There's such a big gap, right?
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You know, lucky for us, there are still people that are in the center, right?
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That have some rationality in them.
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You have to be rational.
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The minute you go fringe on one side or the other,
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it's fringe, you just lose it.
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I've lost friends in two election cycles.
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Because they really go far, far, far.
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Like, what happened to you?
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Like, my gosh, just bring it to the middle.
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It's almost as if, and I can't even blame the pandemic for this,
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but it's almost as if everyone lost their sense of taste, feel, and touch,
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as well as their emotional intelligence.
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They don't look at it, you know, how do you solve a problem
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when you're just going to stick to that, and you're going to stick to that,
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and there's no going to the middle at all.
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It's really divided.
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And it's not one or the other, it's both, you know?
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And we did say we weren't going to go into politics, so sorry about that.
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But again, it really is about bringing people together, right?
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And I think what we do, keeping people safe, I think every side wants that.
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Not red, not blue.
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I mean, keeping everybody safe.
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No matter what your feelings are.
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You plan to have kids?
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The dumbo's watching, huh?
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My wife's going to watch.
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You know, the reason why I asked is because your career demands your commitment.
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And you're having to explain this, like what we're talking about,
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this can come in in a presentation, some boardroom, some organizations, right?
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Whatever you're telling us really reverberates and resonates,
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and everybody benefits from being safe.
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Let's talk about the backdoor.
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Someone leaves the backdoor open, whether it's intellectual property,
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whether it's physically your backdoor, or you know what I mean?
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How frustrating can it be?
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Because when that part comes,
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now you're looking for a cure to fix a dumb move that someone actually did.
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Yeah, and I wouldn't say it's just one person.
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You know, within the entire security parameter of an organization, or even a house, right?
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You lock your front door every night.
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Do you leave the backdoor open?
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Do you leave the windows open?
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You know, I think coming from that concept, it's important.
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Well, how do I know the backdoor's open?
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Our location is so big.
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We call it checking in.
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You know, do the rounds.
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That's why you hire security guards.
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And my biggest frustration is when we go to organizations and say,
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oh, that's security's job.
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And we say security is everyone's job, right?
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You got congregants here.
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You have people going to church.
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You have people going to school.
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You have people coming to work at a supermarket.
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You know, the least you can do is at least fix those errors, those human errors.
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And a lot of them are human errors.
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You talk about cybersecurity, it's the same thing.
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It takes one person to click that phishing link in your entire computer system.
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1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 na nga yung password mo.
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Kailangan pa yung phishing link.
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Password 1, 2, 3.
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He's changing his password.
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How do you know, right?
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Yeah, you know, again, it's the same concept, right?
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Who is the weakest link in your security chain?
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It's a human being.
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We can all be socially engineered.
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People can fool you.
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People can call you from Nigeria and tell you,
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you won 10 billion dollars and you have to send a million to them
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in order to collect the 10 billion.
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People still fall for it today.
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People still fall for it, right?
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So, it's very important that organizations understand,
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you know, they're only as good as their weakest link when it comes to security.
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You can have cameras.
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It's the first thing people ask us is,
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how many cameras should we put up?
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Forget the cameras.
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How many people should you train?
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I think that's a more important thing.
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You should have some policies and procedures.
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You should follow them, follow up.
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Does your company create policies and procedures for organizations?
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We do, we do, we do.
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And I didn't want to turn it into a sales thing.
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This more goes to the human nature that we really have to address.
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It's really training human beings, you know,
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how to spot, how to assess, right?
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And then how to keep their organization safe.
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It's very, very important, right?
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And I am a part of this group called InfraGuard,
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which is a, it's called InfraGuard.
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It's infrastructure protection.
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It is an FBI program.
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And I am one of the government sector chairs for that, for Los Angeles.
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So, we cover seven counties all over LA.
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And we do provide a lot of training to everyone
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within the critical infrastructure sectors.
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Schools, museums, energy sector, entertainment sector.
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And we provide a lot of this education to those members for free.
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And it's free to join.
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It's free to join.
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I mean, you just have to pass the FBI background check.
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That's the caveat.
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But again, it's really good.
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We have hospitals, we have school administrators that are part of it.
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And it really does bring together the private, the public sector
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so that they can learn from other best practices.
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There are things you can do for free.
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You don't have to spend a million dollars on a security system.
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There are things you can do for free, like shut the door.
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And then you have to explain to them why.
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What to look out for, what surveillance looks like.
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What, if you look at the buffalo shooting,
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that kid was a white kid walking in an ethnic neighborhood
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pretending to be homeless and nobody noticed.
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I'm sure people noticed, right?
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He was just doing surveillance.
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That's what he was doing, right?
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He was scoping out the place.
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He did a lot of things to plan this attack.
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It wasn't spur of the moment.
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Ah, let me shoot some people.
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No, we have a saying, nothing happens in a vacuum, right?
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Every one of these criminals, active shooters, terrorists,
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they go through a whole cycle, right?
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It starts with identifying your target, doing surveillance,
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deciding which one you want to hit,
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and then doing a dry run,
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and then actually attacking, and then escaping.
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So whether they like it or not, they have to go through this process.
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There's no checklist, right?
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So that process is innate, right?
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Every criminal does it when they're planning to do something.
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Smashing grabbers, they do it.
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They know where they're going to go on their phone.
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They go, oh, here's the parking lot.
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Here's the store.
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Here's the jewelry store.
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You can do it, right?
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You can go on Google.
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Google Oculus, yeah, Google Maps.
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So they would use that to identify their targets,
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and then they would actually drive around and do surveillance
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and see, is there a security guard?
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These are things that the bad guys do all the time.
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And it's up to us as the good guys to teach the other good guys.
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That's what that looks like.
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Now, he hasn't committed a crime yet.
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So what can I do?
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I was going to ask.
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There's nothing you can really do, but you show force.
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You show that you took down their license plate.
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You know, you show to them that you're keeping an eye out.
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You're not the security guard on the phone
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watching the basketball game, or playing Nintendo, or whatever, Tetris, right?
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So pay attention to your surroundings.
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It's very important because there's no point having a security guard there
46:19.0
who's just watching soccer or basketball all the time, right?
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So keeping an eye out.
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And for everybody else that is part of that organization, it's also their job.
46:28.0
You see a weird guy in your parking lot, report it.
46:31.4
Yeah, he might not be doing anything illegal, right?
46:35.0
But at the end of the day, at least you're letting people know you're watching out.
46:40.8
Pero, okay, question.
46:42.2
When you report it, like, ako personally, I'm under the impression that if I report it
46:47.9
and it's benign, meh, feeling ko yun lang ginagawa ng police department.
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You do your part and there's a record that you reported it.
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And that's important.
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And that's what I tell people all the time.
47:03.0
Well, they never do anything.
47:05.0
I understand it's frustrating.
47:07.2
They're not going to come to you and say,
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Hey, Paco, can you be part of this investigation?
47:10.6
We need you to go undercover.
47:12.3
That's not going to happen.
47:13.4
You're not going to get a fruit basket.
47:14.7
You're not going to get a thank you card, right?
47:18.8
You might get a phone call back.
47:21.7
Pero as long as you file the report, right?
47:24.6
There's a record of it.
47:25.9
And you make a record of it as well.
47:27.4
Because if something does happen, it boils down to one word.
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Because I reported it.
47:39.2
And if you own that facility, or you are the person who owns that program for that organization,
47:45.5
you own the threat.
47:48.5
You be super cool it.
47:50.1
And you keep calling and putting reports in.
47:52.8
The guy keeps coming by doing surveillance.
47:55.0
There's nothing fancy about our building to be photographed, right?
47:59.4
These are all signs and pre-incident indicators of pre-attack surveillance.
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You just got to really own it.
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Make them cool it.
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They can't arrest you for being cool it.
48:14.8
The same token, you can't arrest them for being cool it either.
48:19.9
So stalemate until someone makes a move.
48:22.5
Until they notice that you notice them, right?
48:26.1
It is totally frustrating.
48:28.2
Because there's nothing you can do, as you said, pre-crime.
48:31.4
They have to actually commit a crime in order to be arrested.
48:39.3
So this business, this career, you like this better than the hyperbaric chamber?
48:47.7
I, you know, I think we make a huge difference within this realm.
48:53.0
And it brings community ka kasi tulad ng sinasabi.
48:55.3
It's about safety.
48:57.4
And I think everybody needs to be a part of the safety solution, right?
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So it's school safety, it's church safety.
49:04.0
It's safety for our critical infrastructure.
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We're doing things within every sector.
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And we have 16 critical infrastructure sectors, including water, nuclear power, and all that, right?
49:16.5
So helping them help themselves do assessments and figure out where their weaknesses are.
49:22.2
Where would the bad guy hit me tomorrow?
49:24.9
And you know what?
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Yung question na yun, when or even where, di ba, will the bad guy hit me?
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Or where will the bad guy hit me tomorrow?
49:39.9
That's very humbling to even ask that question.
49:43.2
It's not like being the Titanic na I'm unsinkable, di ba?
49:46.2
Until you hit the iceberg.
49:48.3
Until you hit the iceberg, right?
49:49.6
So kumbaga know where the iceberg is, for God's sake, di ba?
49:53.1
So this philosophy, this is applicable in everything you do in life, eh, di ba?
50:01.8
Na saan ka ba mahina?
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Pretty much, yeah.
50:06.9
It's a self-assessment.
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Know your weaknesses, right?
50:12.8
When you're interviewed for a job, some of the questions I ask, what are your weaknesses?
50:18.6
And a lot of people don't want to answer it.
50:19.8
Yun na nga, parang there's this job candidate, no?
50:25.0
Sinabi, oh, nakalagay dito, mabilis ka sa math.
50:31.0
What's 144,352 divided by 72.5?
50:37.6
Sabi nung applicant, 82.
50:42.7
Mali yung sagot mo.
50:45.0
Pero sir, mabilis naman ako sa math.
50:46.9
Mabilis ako sa mago.
50:57.0
Anyway, I digress.
50:58.1
Where's my calculator?
51:01.0
Mabilis yung computer ko.
51:03.8
Now, now you're in the private sector.
51:07.7
If the government, mali pala.
51:09.4
Let me rephrase the question.
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Are you able to follow in your father's footstep and actually go into the CIA?
51:18.2
Or are you part of the CIA?
51:25.1
Don't deny Jason Bourne.
51:28.8
No, absolutely not.
51:30.8
No, we have a lot of subject matter experts
51:34.0
that come out of different government agencies.
51:38.6
That come over to us, you know, post-retirement.
51:42.2
Yeah, post-retirement.
51:43.7
And, you know, they do different types of training for us.
51:48.6
Different type of consulting for our clients.
51:51.2
We have non-profits.
51:52.4
You know, we have schools, et cetera.
51:54.4
So, you know, it's...
51:55.9
From the intelligence community, ito, mga to.
51:59.4
From law enforcement, intelligence community.
52:01.3
So it could be federal.
52:02.6
It could be state.
52:03.2
It could be tribal.
52:04.6
It could be city government, right?
52:07.1
But the one common thing is the factor that we look at is counterterrorism.
52:14.9
If they have a good background,
52:17.3
and it's word of mouth in this community, right?
52:19.8
So you have an actual background in counterterrorism
52:22.5
because if you can counterterrorism,
52:24.0
they can pretty much counter everything else.
52:26.3
That's the thought process, right?
52:28.5
Counter crime, counter active shooter,
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you can counter anything.
52:32.4
So, you know, we focus the company and we're a defense contractor.
52:37.0
So we're not a security guard company.
52:38.7
So we don't provide...
52:39.8
None of these guys will stand outside with a gun, right?
52:42.2
That's not their job.
52:45.5
Plus the concepts that they come up with is,
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why are we expecting an attack when we can prevent it?
52:55.0
Alam mo, Charlie, ang napansin ko with this conversation we're having,
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you're very, you are very aware of the why factor.
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There has to be a why.
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Because otherwise, may mauhuli yung context.
53:07.4
Yeah, you have to have a why, right?
53:10.3
And for us, really, prevention, right?
53:13.3
It's the best solution, right?
53:15.3
And that's one of the most frustrating things,
53:17.8
you know, you see with a lot of these schools
53:20.1
and a lot of these, you know, organizations is,
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oh, we trained for that.
53:25.9
You trained for what?
53:28.4
Did you train to prevent it, right?
53:30.7
Now we have a big push in hospitals here in California.
53:33.0
There's a law, workplace violence prevention law, right?
53:36.6
Here in California.
53:38.1
And hospitals are going to be fined
53:41.4
if they are not able to prevent a violent patient
53:45.0
from hitting a nurse or doctor.
53:47.8
They have to report it to the state from now on.
53:50.1
And that is part of prevention mitigation.
53:53.0
So you really, people really need to start thinking
53:56.9
versus just reaction and recovery.
53:59.3
And they've only, you know, there's a disaster cycle
54:04.2
that the first half of the circle is prevention mitigation.
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And then the second half is, oh crap, it happened already.
54:12.8
And now we have to stop the bleeding, right?
54:14.6
So, you know, really only people trained to that bottom half.
54:18.3
They never trained to the top half
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because they don't know where to start.
54:21.0
Sabi nga nila, Charlie, an ounce of prevention
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is better than a pound of cure.
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In that case, I'll take 12 ounces.
54:31.0
Para yung mag-asawa, right?
54:32.7
Para yung mag-asawa yun eh.
54:35.6
Kakikilala pa lang nila.
54:36.8
Biglang sinampal ng babae yung lalaki.
54:40.7
Sabi ng lalaki, bakit mo ako sinampal?
54:42.2
Wala pa naman akong ginagawa.
54:44.5
Huwag mo ngantayin may gawing ka.
54:46.3
Hindi lang sampal ako.
54:49.6
Ayoko na, nagmumuka ako.
54:53.1
Nakakadalawan na ako, guys.
54:57.4
But it's true eh.
54:58.6
What you're saying is so true.
55:02.6
Because there was this one time,
55:05.4
I actually told my children,
55:08.6
why are you going to come with me with bad grades?
55:13.0
And then now I have to talk to your teachers.
55:16.3
And this is not even about protection.
55:18.6
We're talking about preventing, diba?
55:21.0
Gawin mo yung homework mo.
55:23.2
Gawin mo yung homework mo araw-araw.
55:25.0
Do the activities every day.
55:27.3
Wala akong kakausapin ng teacher about bad grades.
55:31.2
And I'm glad you're saying this.
55:34.0
Because, napansin mo ba, have we become more,
55:43.5
Basyada ba tayo relaxed when it comes to our own safety?
55:49.5
That's my, what's your observation?
55:54.0
I'd be talking in generalities if I said yes and no.
55:57.4
But I do notice that nowadays people sacrifice safety for convenience.
56:05.2
Well, let's say you're downloading an app to your brand new iPhone.
56:10.2
It's not a physical thing.
56:11.0
It's more of a cyber thing.
56:12.6
And if you knew back, I don't know, 10 years,
56:17.8
what these companies were doing with your information on your phone,
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including your photos,
56:25.0
and your contacts,
56:26.6
and your GPS location everywhere you've been,
56:30.2
would you still say I accept when I download this app?
56:35.1
If you read the fine print, you're gonna go,
56:37.8
yeah, I don't think so.
56:38.6
What do they actually do?
56:40.2
Well, they share it.
56:41.0
They sell it to advertisers.
56:42.2
They sell it to other companies.
56:43.9
It's been done for the longest time.
56:46.6
When you signed up for your first AOL email account,
56:50.1
no one knew that they were gonna monetize us.
56:54.3
We're being monetized.
56:56.9
I know this is a tough subject to talk about,
56:58.7
but at the end of the day,
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we've created such a huge digital trail
57:08.1
yeah, it's all good.
57:09.0
I got nothing to lose, right?
57:11.3
Until the bad guy is able to go online and Google you
57:14.7
and find every little bit detail of your life
57:17.7
and use that to socially engineer your bank
57:20.3
to give your house to them.
57:23.4
So yes, we have sacrificed our own safety for convenience.
57:29.4
And that's only one example.
57:30.8
Like how many times do we give our social security number away online, right?
57:35.8
Nowadays, giving away your phone number alone
57:38.9
might as well be your social security number.
57:41.7
Might as well be.
57:42.7
Because once I have your phone number,
57:44.6
I have everything.
57:47.1
That's anybody that can use Google.
57:49.9
So anybody who knows how to use open sources,
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it's not that hard.
57:55.0
And what about these life locks?
58:00.8
You can life lock away,
58:01.8
but people still give out and put out their information no matter what.
58:06.9
So you got to stop the information.
58:11.0
You really have to stop it.
58:12.5
And that's the biggest issue,
58:14.3
is we've given up a lot of safety stuff because it's convenient.
58:19.5
Is it reversible?
58:21.4
It's an easy place.
58:23.2
Yeah, you can do something about it now.
58:26.0
We do talk to some clients about,
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hey, my phone got a SIM swap.
58:31.1
You know what SIM swapping is, right?
58:32.9
Where they steal your SIM card and they get the SMS.
58:36.3
Yeah, I confirm it's me.
58:38.2
And now I'm logging into your bank.
58:39.4
I took all your crypto out, right?
58:42.3
There is a way, right?
58:44.0
Unfortunately, nowadays, you have to have essentially two identities.
58:47.8
One that you would use online
58:50.1
with a fake email, fake burner number.
58:54.2
When you go to the restaurant, what do they ask you for now?
58:57.5
Your phone number.
59:01.1
We'll text you when your table's ready.
59:03.8
Who are you selling my phone number to?
59:05.7
Oh, we don't know.
59:08.0
So I just use a regular burner number when I check into American Airlines
59:12.1
or when I go to a supermarket for the Ralphs card.
59:15.6
I use a completely different number.
59:17.0
I don't use one that's completely associated with all of my information anymore.
59:21.9
It's not being paranoid.
59:23.4
To me, it's stopping the bleeding.
59:26.0
It's stopping that digital trail, right?
59:28.8
I'm not running from the government.
59:30.2
I'm not trying to hide anything.
59:31.7
I'm hiding my information from adversaries, right?
59:36.0
That can take me down and take us down or take my company down.
59:39.5
So it's very important.
59:41.0
A lot of C-suite level folks and high net worth individuals
59:44.3
are doing this, not just for them, but for their families.
59:47.1
They're even blurring out Google images of their homes.
59:52.9
This is how far people have to go, right?
59:55.3
In order to protect their own privacy.
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I hope I answered that question.
60:02.5
Tapos ngayon, now that we're going cyber, yung mga deep fake pa na facial.
60:13.8
Yeah, it's, yeah, there is an estimation that by the next election cycle,
60:18.6
there's going to be so many deep fakes.
60:21.0
You're not going to know which candidate is saying the real thing.
60:25.4
And, you know, it really depends on your ability.
60:32.7
Number one, and be objective.
60:35.0
Number two, and number three, to double check, right?
60:40.8
There's technology companies now coming up with technology
60:43.5
to determine what's a deep fake and what's not.
60:46.4
So hopefully by then, all of that comes out.
60:49.7
And at the bottom of the video to say, this is a deep fake.
60:54.5
Don't believe anything.
60:56.2
So there should be warning signs.
60:58.2
Because as you can see, people are very amenable.
61:04.9
Narinig lang nila, uy, isya share na kagad.
61:09.4
They don't confirm the information before they share it.
61:12.2
And how many times a day I have to tell somebody, this is fake?
61:17.0
So I have to prove now it's fake.
61:18.3
And I'm like, I don't have the bandwidth.
61:20.1
You know, how do you battle misinformation and disinformation in a misinformation age?
61:27.8
That's where we're at.
61:29.8
That is where we're at.
61:31.6
So what steps do we need to take to protect our information?
61:36.3
Maliban sa having two identities.
61:39.5
What else can we do?
61:41.4
Well, I would definitely...
61:42.8
Oh, by the way, before I answer that, sorry, sorry, sorry.
61:44.7
Just like, because Michael drives a Tesla.
61:47.4
That's like your information right there in that car already, diba?
61:51.0
Well, of course, he told the whole world he drives a Tesla.
61:53.4
By the way, it's blue.
61:58.2
Sorry, by the way, it's blue.
62:00.3
Should we give away the license plate number?
62:02.8
Pero diba, it's ganun na rin, eh, no?
62:07.0
Yeah, Tesla's a, you know, it's a technology company, right?
62:10.3
So obviously, you know, you have given away a lot of your information,
62:15.1
but luckily for them, they're using it for diagnostic stuff, right?
62:19.6
So at least they're using it for the good of the lifespan of the vehicle, updating software, etc.
62:25.8
Ba't yung dojo computer nila, no?
62:29.4
But they also do insurance, right?
62:31.4
You have the option.
62:32.3
So if you're a crazy driver, they know about it.
62:37.4
Absolutely, they know about it.
62:40.2
Your insurance rates could be, you know, a little higher, you know, if you're aggressive.
62:43.9
You can't lie about that anymore.
62:46.3
Because now they have access to your car, right?
62:48.5
So it's very, very impressive what they've done.
62:52.4
Let's go back to your question.
62:53.5
Yeah, my question now.
62:54.4
What was that again?
62:55.1
Okay, so aside from the double identity, diba, what other steps can we take to lessen our footprint?
63:01.8
Is that the right word?
63:02.7
Absolutely, I call it digital exhaust.
63:06.6
You know, it's like exhaust from your car, right?
63:09.5
The one thing that we've advised clients to do is any email address that's associated with
63:15.8
any of your bank, anything banking related, mortgage related, get a different email address.
63:22.2
Use that from now on.
63:23.9
Go to Proton, use that and only use that one email address for all your banking stuff.
63:30.4
So you get an email or a spoof email to your Gmail that you were using previously,
63:34.5
and obviously, you already know that's garbage, right?
63:36.8
So you don't really have to click the link and fall for it again.
63:40.3
Because I'm telling you, every day, people click on links that they shouldn't be clicking on.
63:45.6
Don't click on links.
63:46.8
Anybody, even if it's from your own mother or your Lolo or anybody,
63:51.8
do not click on links that are sent to you via text message or email.
63:55.8
So a good way to start there is get a completely separate email address.
64:02.1
And listen, you're going to hate me for this, but
64:05.2
if you are getting that email address for free, you are the product.
64:11.8
Does that make sense?
64:14.6
If it's a free email address, you got one product.
64:18.2
So that's the risk you're taking.
64:21.9
So personally, I use ProtonMail.
64:25.7
I have to pay for it, right?
64:26.8
And it comes with a VPN and everything.
64:28.6
So that really helps.
64:30.5
That's the second thing.
64:31.5
VPN, very important.
64:32.6
Would you recommend that?
64:34.3
Even on your phone.
64:35.3
My kids have VPN.
64:37.8
Para daw, hindi ko sila matrack.
64:38.9
Loko-loko yung mga yun.
64:41.0
Sa akin ginagamit.
64:50.6
It's a good idea to have it on your phone, too.
64:53.1
Yeah, but when you Google something and your VPN is pointing to
64:58.8
And you're looking for Ralphs, it's going to say,
65:02.6
your drive is going to be three days.
65:06.0
So just understand contextually, when you are Googling something and you have a VPN
65:10.6
turned on your phone, Ralphs, Los Angeles, California, or Ralphs, Santa Maria, et cetera.
65:16.2
So you got to put the location in now, right?
65:18.7
But at least no one can technically digitally track where you're going with your phone.
65:25.5
Not like you're hiding from anybody.
65:27.7
You're just protecting what's yours.
65:30.3
And again, you don't have to be paranoid with some of these things.
65:34.4
It's a fact of life.
65:35.7
These devices were designed to track some data in order for advertisers,
65:42.9
who my wife's in advertising,
65:45.8
associates what I do when it comes to the digital exhaust part,
65:48.6
because you're messing things up.
65:51.0
We can't target appropriately.
65:55.7
But they do use this data.
65:58.1
What will come out next in the near future is browser fingerprinting.
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So no matter what you do with your VPN,
66:06.3
you have 10 VPNs on your phone or your computer,
66:09.5
your browser is very unique and it has a very unique fingerprint.
66:14.9
It's about 88% accurate right now, today.
66:19.1
So the FBI can still find things.
66:22.5
So can the government based off of your browser fingerprinting.
66:26.2
Even if you delete.
66:27.6
There's nothing you can do to really get away from browser fingerprinting nowadays.
66:33.3
Not much you can do.
66:34.2
So that's a good thing though.
66:35.4
So you can pretend and think you're hiding.
66:41.1
But you can do is hide from the bad guys.
66:43.9
You can hide your data and your information and keep it safe from the bad guys.
66:47.4
Now, if you're doing something illegal, just know.
66:50.0
You're the bad guy.
66:50.8
There are technologies out there that no matter what you do,
66:54.9
no matter how many virtual machines you have,
66:58.5
that browser fingerprint is very unique to each user
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on your phone and on your iPad and on your regular computer.
67:07.2
So where is that browser fingerprint attached to?
67:14.2
No, I mean, how is it attached to you?
67:16.4
Is it attached to your identity or your...
67:18.7
It's attached to everything you do digitally.
67:22.1
Which emails, banks, sites.
67:25.2
So in order to get a new browser fingerprint,
67:27.3
yeah, you need a new, technically, a new virtual identity or an identity.
67:31.0
You get a whole new computer,
67:32.6
but then you log into the same sites over and over again.
67:36.1
That's your browser fingerprint.
67:37.0
It's super important.
67:42.2
Incredible, right?
67:46.0
We're at that age, right?
67:47.8
So snow dead na nga tayo.
67:51.1
He's bringing Snowden back.
67:59.2
This company that you're running,
68:01.7
are your clients, like you mentioned,
68:03.5
schools, churches, different organizations,
68:07.5
is it just for the big boys or pwede mga small businesses?
68:10.9
Can they reach out to you?
68:13.7
Yeah, no, we've done a thing where every year
68:17.2
we pick a certain number of clients that will assist, right?
68:22.2
Who are having budgetary issues.
68:25.4
They typically reach out to us already.
68:28.2
There are things that we can do that are F-R-E-E, right?
68:32.2
So like a lot of my guys are LAPD,
68:36.0
active shooter, civilian response instructors, including myself.
68:39.5
So we will go out and train and essentially show them
68:45.9
what LAPD allows us to show them and how to react, right?
68:50.5
None of that essentially covers the reactionary or the prevention part of it,
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but at least it's something that we're able to do.
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We've done some of the prevention training for some of our clients for free
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that do not have the funds to do it.
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So we do kind of, we have to.
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It's doing our part.
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So we have to help folks out as much as possible.
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Obviously, some of my guys have to get paid.
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So I typically am the one who go out.
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I voluntarily tell myself, go out and do some good, right?
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I think it's important.
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We are working on a couple more things to help strengthen that part of the program
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to assist other clients as well that don't have funding.
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So looking back, number six of seven kids, that's you.
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You had to fight your way with regard to
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kayo magkakapatid.
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The first decision that you made triggered more decisions in your life.
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Hopefully more good than bad.
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After that point, yes, it was mostly good.
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What can you advise 13-year-old kids?
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Not the 13-year-old, but the parents of 13-year-old kids
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that are grand theft auto, that go to the internet.
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What advice can you give these parents?
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I'm very careful blaming video games because I do have some video game clients.
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I would just say, watch what your kids are doing and set limitations.
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You know, and that's, I think that's where we have issues
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is parents are not setting the limitations that they should be.
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Keep an eye on them.
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I would turn the darn internet off at a certain time, right?
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Or take the phones away at a certain time.
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We didn't have internet growing up.
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I think we're doing pretty good.
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But you know, you do have to have those set limitations.
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I know it's difficult because I'll tell you what, you take a phone away from a kid.
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He's like, you took half the lung away.
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It's the end of my life.
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Because now I have FOMO.
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We got to get rid of the FOMO somehow.
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But you know, as long as you explain to them that there are actual bad people online
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that do intend to do harm.
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Not all of them are bad, right?
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But they're there.
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They're in those rooms that you're going into.
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So be very, very careful and report, you know, at least report to the parents
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what you've seen or what messages you get.
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You know, I know some of my, you know, nieces and nephews.
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They're all on TikTok and stuff.
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And just because you think I'm not in your TikTok, I know people.
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So I can see, you know, like what the ages of people are that making, you know,
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comments on a 14-year-old's TikTok.
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It's like, come on, dude, really?
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They're out there.
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So just keep an eye on it.
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And I think the parent-kid kind of trust thing is very important.
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So you also don't want to break that trust, right?
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Because then they go, you know.
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They'll hide it even more.
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They go even further out, right?
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So, you know, just kind of make that a constant thing where you check in on them
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so that they understand that, not like I'm watching you, you know, but I'm looking out for you.
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How do you convey that to your kids?
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That would be more of a question to somebody who's an actual parent like you.
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So it's difficult.
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My brothers have kids and I see that, you know, they're getting bald or pulling their hair out.
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So I'm sure it's tough, but it's got to be done.
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It's got to be done.
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You can't take the phone away forever.
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They'll get somebody else's phone, right?
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So you have to have that trust and that bond.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Charlie Wicker.
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We'll post the link in the description and you might want to get in touch with Charlie.
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Hopefully, he'll be available to answer.
