01:20.0
At least that will never happen here.
01:22.0
I mean grabe. First of all, fake news talaga yung Danish Terminal 2 yan. Usually Terminal 3, mas mabilis.
01:30.0
They say 10 minutes lang yung security. It just happened that 35 minutes yung security, talo pa yung naian ng Pilipinas.
01:38.0
Mas mabilis tayo dyan sa Terminal 1. Pero sabi ko, siguro naman ihintayin tayo.
01:43.0
Pagdating ko, 15 minutes before close na yung gate and there was only 10 minutes.
01:48.0
Within 10 minutes, yung back ko tinapon sa labas. Tapos by 3.40 yung flight, 3.41 wala nang trace of even yung afterglow, afterburn.
01:59.0
Grabe mga Vikings talaga.
02:02.0
Baka napansin nila yung middle eastern features.
02:04.0
Ewan ko talaga yan.
02:05.0
Kaya nag-strictos.
02:07.0
Pero interestingly, middle eastern talaga yata yung guy na in charge. Tapos tinanong namin, o paano yan?
02:15.0
Di man lang kami hinintay. Ano yung next flight? Kasi inabol ko yung Stockholm sa Sweden.
02:20.0
Of course as you know, Sweden is like the Los Angeles. Yung Stockholm is like the Los Angeles of Scandinavia.
02:26.0
Tapos sabi niya, oh the next one is 5pm? No, I don't think you'll make it.
02:30.0
Wala nga talaga ito. Hindi nga tumutulong. Nego pa. Pero hinabol ko talaga yung 5pm. Kaya nakabol tayo sa Stockholm.
02:38.0
Pero grabe Richard. I've traveled around the world since the 80s. But I've never been to Greenland. Who goes to Greenland?
02:46.0
Eto ang sasabihin ko sa'yo. Pag nakita ko yung mga icebergs doon, parang out of this world.
02:53.0
Alam mo yung mga pinapakinggan kong soundtrack, mga interstellar, yung mga ibang planeta.
03:00.0
But ironically, the last time I saw something weird out of this world na parang Mars colony was nung maglalanda ko sa North Korea, yung Pyongyang International Airport.
03:11.0
Kasi pagpasok mo pa lang, makikita mo yung Soviet era 1960s aircraft na nakapark. And then the surrounding is like emaciated land.
03:20.0
As in no vegetation, nothing. Parang nasa service ka ng Mars. And coming in from China, very fertile.
03:26.0
And then you see that, parang literally pumasok ka sa ibang mundo. So this is the second time since 2018.
03:31.0
I felt like out of this world. Grabe talaga yung Greenland. So I suggest yung mga iba dyan, try to go there.
03:38.0
Try to find a good package kasi nakanap ko na medyo murang package. Before, mawala yung icebergs. Kasi nakaka-worry.
03:45.0
I'll tell you, Ronald. Pag dating ko sa Open Hagen, naka ganyan lang ako. Literally ganyan lang, ha?
03:49.0
Wala. Mainit, pare. Mainit. 10 degrees, 8 degrees. That doesn't make sense. It's almost November.
03:57.0
Did you see the northern lights?
03:59.0
Yes. Medyo konti pero the weather was not that good. Pero sabi mo, medyo nakakaputi at nakakakinis ng skin yung walang pollution. Hindi sanay eh.
04:08.0
Torn ako. Torn ako dahil sa Norway, I won the axe-throwing competition. Tinalo ko yung mga Vikings doon.
04:15.0
Tapos sa Mongolia, I won the archery competition. So torn ako kung ang aking past life is Mongol or Viking.
04:26.0
Karehong genocidal.
04:32.0
Kaya actually napapabilip ako sa mga Mongolians kasi ang tatanggad ng mga tao. I'm not a short guy but when you go to Scandinavia, lahat ng mga babae matanggad sa akin, mga lalaki.
04:44.0
Nasa roof na. How did the Mongolians make it as far as the Baltic? They almost conquered entire Eastern Europe.
04:53.0
Kasi yung mga Inuit, yung mga locals dyan sa Greenland, medyo ka-itsura natin. Kasi Asiatic sila. Sila'y nag-cross ng Siberia. So yellow race sila.
05:03.0
Yung nagpumunta ng America. Tapos nag-cross. So kamukha na yung ibang Pinoy nakasama namin, nagiging mukhang Inuit na eh.
05:10.0
So honestly yung mga nakita mo sa Mongolia, hindi gano'ng kalayang itsura nila pag kinignan mo yung mga Inuit. Central Asian yung itsura nila.
05:23.0
Napakaliit ng Mongolia ngayon. Napakaliit ang population but they killed half of the human race.
05:32.0
Tapos sabi ko na one-eighth of humanity can trace their DNA to Genghis Khan. They did a lot of things.
05:42.0
Malapit-lapit na rin si Richard Heydaria.
05:45.0
Si Ronald the Axe Grinder. The Arrow. May pangalangan sa akin. Golden Horn.
05:54.0
Ano ba yung aking previous life? Was I a Mongol who killed half of humanity? Or was I a Viking who terrorized half of the world?
06:03.0
Nako Ronald. Ronald the AK-47. Papaya tayo pupunta dyan sa AK-47.
06:11.0
Just to be clear, dun sa isang nagpaparating na slave laborer. Ito. Ito.
06:16.0
Pag bukas ko ng WhatsApp ko after one week, naka-24 messages from Ronald. Hinahanap ako at nami-miss ako.
06:25.0
So if you want a call of duty, call of duty si Richard.
06:30.0
Baka na-kidnap ka na. Baka kailangan ng hostage negotiator or kailangan ng paratroopers.
06:37.0
Naka-landing ako dyan. Territoryo ko pa naman niya sa Bolivia.
06:40.0
With the Axe. With the Axe Grinder.
06:43.0
That's my most traveled place. Unless people didn't know, Sweden has 20,000 islands.
06:51.0
Akala natin tayo maraming islands.
06:53.0
Sa Baltic, di ba?
06:54.0
Yes. Sweden has 20,000 islands.
06:58.0
So three times the... Almost mala-Indonesia pala sila. Di ba? Kasi Indonesia is 26,000, right?
07:05.0
Incredible. That part of the world is so different. Kasi usually kasanayan natin, America, France.
07:11.0
Alam mo yung usual suspects, Germany, of course, España.
07:15.0
But you go to Scandinavia, totally different. Hindi sila consumable. Simpla sila manamit.
07:20.0
Halos lahat ng cars, electric. I think I did more metro in the past week.
07:26.0
Sumakaya ko ng metro that entire past 10 years. Kasi sobrang seamless.
07:32.0
Sobrang underground. Yung metro nila sobrang linis.
07:35.0
And Ronald, ganun ba sa Norway? Di pa ako nakapunang Norway.
07:39.0
Walang card. Honesty system siya. It's an honesty system, Ronald.
07:44.0
You can get in even if... Of course, nagbahid ako kasi just in case. May random check-in.
07:50.0
Pero walang check-out. You can get in. Wala siyang yung mga dadaanan. Totally walang ganun.
07:56.0
Ako dati, ginagawa ko, tumatalo lang ako. 30 years ago nung ako labor, free unions, wala akong budget.
08:05.0
So yung mga ganyan, tumatalo lang ako. Norway?
08:08.0
Norway, Sweden, Denmark, tumatalo lang ako.
08:12.0
Hindi ka nararandom check-in? Kasi mong suspicious ka?
08:16.0
Hindi. Pag may mag-check-in, punta ako CR.
08:20.0
Talagang puntakas pala.
08:23.0
Sino yung mga tricks of the trade?
08:26.0
Pero maganda yan sa Norway because Oslo is divided by a river.
08:31.0
So aakyat ka doon sa river na yun, malilipot mo yung buong Oslo tapos papababa.
08:39.0
Tapos yung isang side, andun yung poorer side.
08:44.0
Hindi yung poor na katulad sa atin.
08:48.0
Can you imagine Sweden? At the turn of the century, 19th century, almost half of the population migrated because of poverty.
08:59.0
Ngayon they're one of the 10 most developed countries in the world.
09:05.0
One of the 10 richest.
09:08.0
Happiest, Norway. Pero imagine, 100 years ago they were so poor. Parang Ireland.
09:17.0
Paramihan pumunta sa US, North America dahil hirap na hirap.
09:22.0
So may pag-asa pa tayo?
09:25.0
Yun nga inisip ko. These people were like Vikings back in the day.
09:30.0
You cannot get more brutal than Vikings.
09:33.0
Siguro Mongolian horde lang nakakatapan doon.
09:36.0
Look at them, they're the nicest people, super honest sila, super efficient.
09:40.0
Most peaceful country ngayon.
09:42.0
Most peaceful country, highest living standards, all of those things.
09:46.0
So may pag-asa tayo baka in the next 100 years.
09:50.0
Tayo kung ginagawang halimbawa yung Scandinavian countries.
09:53.0
Pero sa Scandinavian countries, yung babae na buntis, yung kanyang anak one month pa lang may allowance na.
10:01.0
Tapos pag pinanak siya hanggat walang trabaho yung bata, habang lumalaki, may allowance.
10:09.0
Dahil sa kanila, the future are the children. The future are the babies.
10:14.0
Alagang-alaga yan sa mga bansang yan.
10:17.0
Maliban pa sa napakaganda ng public education.
10:23.0
And Ronald, alam ko pag nag-aaral ka, mayroon ka pang allowance yata.
10:28.0
When you're studying, you get an allowance from the state.
10:32.0
And that's Denmark.
10:33.0
Ikaw kasi Norway, mas mayaman pang Norway.
10:36.0
Because of the oil.
10:37.0
Saudi Arabia of the Scandinavian.
10:41.0
Sovereign wealth fund in the world, 3 trillion dollars, whatever.
10:44.0
Super mayaman ng Norway.
10:46.0
They can afford to lose hundreds of billions sa kanilang wealth fund.
10:52.0
They cannot afford anything.
10:54.0
No room for error sa atin.
10:59.0
Speaking of which,
11:01.0
it looks like we're driving the wrong lessons sa Scandinavia.
11:07.0
Ang kinopia natin so far, the only thing I can think about is sovereign wealth fund.
11:11.0
Which is the least thing na bagay sa atin.
11:15.0
Of course, malayong-malayong Scandinavia in terms of their culture,
11:18.0
in terms of their history sa atin.
11:20.0
But are there things that we can pick up from them?
11:23.0
For instance, in Denmark,
11:25.0
if I'm not mistaken, sila rin behind yung windmill sa Ilocos Norte, right?
11:29.0
Hindi si BBM, diba?
11:31.0
I mean, last time I checked...
11:32.0
Ayala, ayala yun eh.
11:34.0
Yeah, and the Danish.
11:35.0
And the Ayala, eventually.
11:36.0
But I think the Danish were involved with the technology.
11:39.0
But I know that the Danish talaga, almost 100% renewable na sila.
11:42.0
And they're in a position to even export renewables.
11:45.0
In fact, the people who told me about that were the Germans.
11:47.0
When they were doing their Energi Vende, Energy Transformation, etc.
11:50.0
And they were saying how impressed they are with the Danes.
11:53.0
And I had no idea, like Pandora, hindi lang Maersk.
11:56.0
Kasi Maersk ang alam kong Dane.
11:58.0
There's so many global companies na Danish pala.
12:01.0
And I was talking to our friends sa Department of Foreign Affairs
12:04.0
and mga embassy natin dyan sa Denmark na tumuling sa atin.
12:07.0
Kasi, yung pala, if you go to Greenland, your Schengen should be from Denmark.
12:11.0
Eh, yung iba sa amin, Schengen namin Alaman, Schengen namin Frances.
12:14.0
So, they had to help me.
12:15.0
But anyways, I was talking to them about investments and all.
12:18.0
Apparently, the Danes are very involved in the Philippines.
12:21.0
But they're very quiet.
12:22.0
Hindi sila katulad ng mga Chinese.
12:24.0
We'll talk about them shortly.
12:25.0
Na ang dami sa nabi, wala naman dumating yung pledge track.
12:28.0
Or they're not as visible as Japan because Japan builds the public infrastructure and all.
12:32.0
They're here. They're in Palawan doing some coconut business.
12:35.0
They're here doing some renewable business.
12:37.0
But they're really in position to put back.
12:40.0
Yung Lego, by the way, apparently is Dane, right?
12:43.0
So, I didn't know that.
12:44.0
So, there were many companies na apparently Danish.
12:47.0
I thought they're like Swedish or Dutch.
12:51.0
Yung pala, they're Dane.
12:52.0
So, I'm very impressed.
12:54.0
I mean, buong Denmark yata, mas malaki pa yata ang QC do sa population sa buong Denmark.
13:02.0
And the GDP is bigger than our entire country.
13:05.0
I think they're like $500 billion GDP country.
13:10.0
I was there last year.
13:12.0
I met the environment secretary.
13:14.0
I met the head of the ruling party.
13:19.0
Social Democrat yung ruling party dyan.
13:21.0
Imagine yung environment secretary was much younger than you.
13:27.0
Ganyan yung mga cabinet secretary nila.
13:31.0
Pero very effective.
13:33.0
Very trustworthy.
13:35.0
Wala yata ang case of electoral fraud dyan sa Denmark.
13:39.0
Pumunta ako dati sa Finland.
13:42.0
The candidate, siya rin yung watcher.
13:45.0
Siya yung naglalagay ng balota.
13:47.0
Siya yung naglalagay ng balota doon sa ballot box.
13:51.0
Pwede sa kanila yun dahil wala silang history ng election violence or election fraud.
13:58.0
Can you imagine yung kandidato ang watcher sa presinto dito sa Pilipinas?
14:05.0
Sa mga Scandinavian countries, ganyan.
14:08.0
Sa Sweden, yung kanilang mga local officials are not elected.
14:12.0
They're appointed.
14:14.0
Yung alam mo, nung na-meet ko dati, yung mayor ng Stockholm was a young girl na very skilled sa management.
14:24.0
Siguro pag nag-develop na yung ating political culture, yung ating skillset, baka ganun na rin dapat.
14:31.0
Appointed ng mga local managers natin.
14:34.0
Hindi mo siya binibigay sa unpredictability ng mga maeleka mga warlords.
14:42.0
At saka mga kartel.
14:44.0
So, kaya pa yan. Magandang pag-usapan niyan later sa separate.
14:48.0
Yung parang comparison, di mo pwedeng sabihin na imposibleng mangyari sa atin yan.
14:56.0
Ang Sweden sa Pilipinas, inuulit ko, a hundred years ago, they're poorer than us.
15:03.0
More than 40% of their population migrated because of hunger, because of unemployment, because of poverty.
15:11.0
Yung natirang 60% decided hindi na pwede. We have to develop our country.
15:17.0
Sana sa atin ganun.
15:19.0
Bago umalis ang 50%, yung natitira ngayon na 80%, dapat gumawa na ng desisyon.
15:27.0
Hindi na kami papaya.
15:30.0
We're rich and yet the country is poor.
15:33.0
Yun yung naladiscovery ng mga Sumedes, ng mga Scandinavians, a century ago.
15:37.0
Yeah, I mean, there, grabe yung culture na.
15:40.0
Not only you have kids, essential kids, quote-unquote, people younger than me, you know, in cabinet positions and in parliament.
15:48.0
But there, kung prime minister ka, nag-commute ka lang and parang you're literally just treated like a public servant.
15:55.0
Like literally, really a public servant.
15:57.0
Nothing more, nothing less.
15:59.0
A friend of mine, Mona Salin. Mona Salin, a minister sa Sweden.
16:06.0
Siya yung ginugroom to be the next prime minister.
16:10.0
Nung minsan, pauwi siya ng bahay, bumili siya ng pasalubong sa kanyang anak.
16:18.0
So bumili siya ng Toblerone, ng chocolate.
16:21.0
Eh, naiwanan niya yung kanyang public credit card.
16:25.0
Naiwanan niya yung kanyang private credit card.
16:28.0
Ang daladala niya yung kanyang public credit card.
16:31.0
Yung ginagamit mo sa official functions.
16:33.0
So ginamit na yan to buy a €1 chocolate candy.
16:39.0
Tanggal siya as minister.
16:41.0
At nasira ang kanyang future as the prime minister.
16:47.0
€1 na ginamit niya yung kanyang public credit card.
16:51.0
That's Mona Salin.
16:53.0
Sa Pilipinas, diyos ko po, pinagmamalaki.
16:56.0
Pag nakalusot, pag hindi nahuling nag-nakaw.
16:59.0
Nung hundreds of millions.
17:06.0
Zero tolerance kasi sila sa corruption.
17:08.0
I mean, kahit walang sinasanto sa mga bansang yan.
17:11.0
Kahit €1 lang yung ginamit mo.
17:14.0
Yan nga yung sinasabi ko Ronald.
17:17.0
I think mali yung bansa na ina-idol natin.
17:20.0
Sa America kasi sobrang questionable yung democracy nila.
17:23.0
Yung lobbies nila.
17:27.0
I think there's a term for legal corruption.
17:29.0
The term pork barrel comes from America.
17:32.0
Yan lang galing yan.
17:34.0
So not only did we get our democracy from outside,
17:37.0
meaning it was imposed on us
17:38.0
because our elite never wanted democracy
17:40.0
unlike in Sweden, the monarchy, the aristocracy
17:43.0
eventually moved towards democratization.
17:45.0
Sa atin not only it was imposed,
17:47.0
but it was imposed by a country back then
17:49.0
that was extremely corrupt.
17:50.0
This is late 19th century, early 20th century America.
17:53.0
Until today, kita natin.
17:55.0
Kaya nakapaginan.
17:57.0
Because I think yun nga.
17:59.0
Mali yung mga role models natin.
18:00.0
We look at Singapore na, you know,
18:02.0
it's a city-state.
18:04.0
So my connected site, and I was in Singapore.
18:06.0
It's not a real country.
18:08.0
I mean, Ronald, of course I was in Singapore the other week
18:10.0
and we were talking.
18:11.0
Dumantin ako sa Singapore.
18:13.0
But I mean, Singapore has its own strengths and all
18:16.0
but it's not necessarily bastion of liberal democracy.
18:19.0
So parang mali parating tinitignan natin ng mga role models.
18:23.0
You cannot replicate Singapore.
18:26.0
And should we even replicate?
18:29.0
I mean, look at the Singaporeans.
18:31.0
They're fantastic people. I love them.
18:33.0
But they're very stressed.
18:34.0
It's a very competitive society.
18:37.0
Lahat tiger moms, tiger parents.
18:39.0
Kaya taas ng mga rates ng anxiety, depression, mga ganun.
18:43.0
Now you go to Scandinavia,
18:44.0
you also have a lot of problems with depression
18:46.0
but that's because it's all snow and desert of snow.
18:51.0
But there, I think I was told that
18:53.0
in the first two years of their education,
18:55.0
the kids are taught social skills lang.
18:58.0
Even ahead of arithmetic and literacy.
19:00.0
Like, they totally have a revolutionary way
19:02.0
of looking at education to make sure
19:04.0
you become a complete person.
19:05.0
You become an honest person.
19:07.0
A person with that quality of life
19:09.0
that's just topping the race,
19:10.0
and number one here, number one there.
19:12.0
So what's their advantage in short
19:14.0
in Scandinavian culture?
19:16.0
Imagine Richard, almost half of the population
19:19.0
in Scandinavian countries, especially Sweden,
19:22.0
never graduated from college.
19:25.0
They graduated from study circles.
19:28.0
They're self-educated.
19:30.0
And yet, they're one of the most intelligent people
19:34.0
The Scandinavian countries are not diploma mills.
19:38.0
They have study circles.
19:40.0
They have teach-ins here in the 60s.
19:43.0
That's where they do their own curriculum.
19:46.0
That's one of the foundations of their society.
19:49.0
Participative education.
19:51.0
That's what I was using before
19:55.0
when I was in trade unions,
19:57.0
the study circle framework.
20:01.0
This is what they call organic intellectual.
20:04.0
Yeah, I mean, the education instills
20:07.0
a lot of fundamental values.
20:08.0
I mean, I'm not surprised why Sweden
20:10.0
is behind all of these global brands.
20:12.0
IKEA, H&M, it's a very small country
20:14.0
for all these global brands.
20:16.0
Volvo, Escania, all of these great cars
20:20.0
that many people mistake as German.
20:22.0
They're not German.
20:23.0
They're Swedish cars.
20:24.0
They're fantastic, very high quality.
20:26.0
But you're right.
20:28.0
It's just so out of this world
20:30.0
that at the same time,
20:32.0
wait, why aren't we paying attention
20:34.0
to these countries?
20:36.0
I was actually also talking
20:37.0
to some of our Filipino friends
20:39.0
in Denmark who are residing there
20:41.0
or they're married, etc.
20:42.0
They were asking,
20:43.0
why aren't there many Filipinos here
20:44.0
compared to other parts of Europe?
20:46.0
Because you go to Italy,
20:48.0
there are a lot of Filipinos.
20:50.0
Of course, I understand probably
20:52.0
there's other regulatory reasons.
20:54.0
But one of the things I was told is
20:56.0
because the cost of living is high,
20:58.0
the disposable income is not that high
21:00.0
compared to the US or Singapore
21:03.0
or other countries.
21:04.0
It's not that attractive to Filipinos.
21:06.0
But if you marry and you want
21:07.0
to raise a family,
21:08.0
it's head and shoulders above
21:10.0
the United States or France
21:12.0
or Spain and Italy
21:13.0
and those kinds of countries.
21:15.0
Partly, maybe the weather.
21:17.0
Of course, the weather is better
21:19.0
in Southern Europe.
21:20.0
Secondly, the language.
21:22.0
It's not that easy to understand Swedish
21:24.0
unlike other languages.
21:29.0
It's very difficult.
21:33.0
But we can learn a lot from other countries.
21:38.0
especially in social welfare.
21:40.0
Because social protection
21:43.0
and social welfare are very good.
21:45.0
I hope Filipinos won't see
21:49.0
Because their prisons are like...
21:52.0
I think Norway is the most notorious.
21:55.0
It's like a condo.
21:57.0
You have a cable TV.
21:59.0
You have five meals a day.
22:02.0
You have a conjugal visit.
22:04.0
You have a solo room.
22:07.0
If they see that,
22:09.0
our fellow Filipinos
22:11.0
might migrate here.
22:13.0
Actually, I have some stories,
22:15.0
real-life stories about some Filipinos
22:17.0
trying to test us.
22:19.0
But I'll have to check
22:20.0
if I can share those.
22:23.0
Actually, I was surprised.
22:24.0
I was in Amsterdam
22:27.0
And I was told...
22:28.0
This is for educational purposes,
22:32.0
Netherlands imports inmates
22:35.0
because they run out of accommodation.
22:38.0
if your accommodation is five-star,
22:41.0
you're going to run out of facilities.
22:43.0
They made Netherlands
22:48.0
This is just crazy.
22:49.0
It's out of this world.
22:51.0
Talking about prisons,
22:54.0
President Duterte
22:55.0
will be comfortable
22:59.0
I saw the prison.
23:01.0
There's nothing inside.
23:04.0
if the international warrant
23:08.0
and the Philippine government
23:09.0
gives up on Duterte,
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I don't think he will have a hard time
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in the prison in The Hague
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and his fellow Filipinos
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because the prisons are nice.
23:18.0
It's like a condominium.
23:19.0
And there are few...
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There are almost no prisoners
23:24.0
I will wish him luck.
23:26.0
So, now you're officially close.
23:28.0
I saw what you did there.
23:29.0
You transitioned us
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to our first topic at hand.
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Thank you very much.
23:33.0
I really like what you did there.
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Let's talk about this shortly.
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So, in our next episode,
23:37.0
this is kind of like an overview of
23:39.0
a bit Scandinavia,
23:41.0
Let's not just focus on
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Singapore and the U.S.
23:44.0
There are so many other real role models.
23:46.0
We have to look at best practices.
23:47.0
And as Ronald said,
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a hundred years ago,
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Sweden was one of the richest countries.
23:51.0
And a hundred years ago,
23:52.0
Argentina was one of the richest countries.
23:54.0
The poorest countries in Sweden,
23:55.0
the richest countries in Argentina.
23:56.0
And look at what the two countries
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have turned out over the hundreds.
24:00.0
Institutions matter.
24:01.0
Mobilization matters.
24:03.0
just the last thing on this.
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I think one of the secrets
24:06.0
to success of Scandinavian democracies
24:08.0
is the highly mobilized labor sector
24:12.0
the highly progressive
24:13.0
and mobilized civil society sector
24:16.0
The degree of organization...
24:17.0
The aristocrats are poor.
24:19.0
The rich are poor.
24:21.0
Almost everyone is organized.
24:23.0
Into community organizations,
24:25.0
into cooperatives,
24:27.0
into trade unions.
24:29.0
Everybody is organized.
24:31.0
That's why their organizations
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are the basis of their
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high educational level.
24:37.0
What we have here are fraternities
24:44.0
That's what a lot of people say.
24:51.0
Civil society is so alive.
24:53.0
Civil society is the foundation
24:57.0
That's one major difference.
24:59.0
So they have the social pact
25:03.0
That's their foundation.
25:05.0
They have the social pact.
25:11.0
private ownership,
25:14.0
but you have to give something back.
25:16.0
That's why the taxation is high.
25:20.0
Even income tax is high.
25:22.0
Usually 40 to 50 percent
25:25.0
of the income goes to taxes.
25:27.0
But no one is complaining.
25:30.0
Because they can give back.
25:32.0
They can give back.
25:33.0
That's our problem.
25:35.0
So you have very high tax rate,
25:37.0
but people feel it.
25:39.0
If you have kids,
25:41.0
you don't have to worry about their education
25:43.0
because it's going to be all paid,
25:45.0
You don't have to worry about healthcare.
25:46.0
You don't have to worry about
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Their methods are good.
25:50.0
And then here's the problem.
25:55.0
you have an ex-president
25:57.0
calling for a tax boycott.
26:01.0
You didn't see that.
26:02.0
Duterte calling for civil disobedience.
26:05.0
Boycott led by him.
26:08.0
Unless you're proven
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guilty of corruption.
26:17.0
I'll do it again.
26:18.0
Maybe you'll come back.
26:22.0
I just wanted to raise
26:23.0
also the issue of taxes and all.
26:25.0
I don't want others to comment.
26:30.0
Now, let's officially
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go to our next topic.
26:32.0
Thank you very much.
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I'll see you later.
