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Ayan! Ayan! Medyo naka-recover na tayo. Good evening, afternoon, morning. Sorry medyo sinang-sarana yung body clock ko but I'm trying to get things back into form.

Pasensya na Secretary Ronald Llamas, RNR, ka-RNR, hindi kitang masabayan over the past week sa grabe yung time zones.

10 hours different sa Kangerlussuaq sa Greenland at saka 6 hours sa Denmark. So I'm glad finally we can catch up.

Okay lang. Nakapagpahinga ako kay Richard A. Darian. Slave labor. Human trafficking.

Ayan, ayan. Nagre-reclama, nagpaparinig na.

Paging inaabot ng 2 hours. Sa ila ko nakakaroon ng 2 hours na po.

Nakapagpaglalabag ka sa akin, RNR. Mga ka-RNR, let me just be clear. Pagbukas ko ng WhatsApp ko kasi sa sobrang busy ang schedule ko sa travel here, travel there,

na-miss ko pa yung flight ko sa walang yang Norway Airlines. In my entire life, I've never seen an airline leave ahead of schedule.

It's not even German time. It's like Viking time. Yung talaga kung naiwan ka sa isla, bahala ka sa buhay mo.

At least that will never happen here.

I mean grabe. First of all, fake news talaga yung Danish Terminal 2 yan. Usually Terminal 3, mas mabilis.

They say 10 minutes lang yung security. It just happened that 35 minutes yung security, talo pa yung naian ng Pilipinas.

Mas mabilis tayo dyan sa Terminal 1. Pero sabi ko, siguro naman ihintayin tayo.

Pagdating ko, 15 minutes before close na yung gate and there was only 10 minutes.

Within 10 minutes, yung back ko tinapon sa labas. Tapos by 3.40 yung flight, 3.41 wala nang trace of even yung afterglow, afterburn.

Grabe mga Vikings talaga.

Baka napansin nila yung middle eastern features.

Ewan ko talaga yan.

Kaya nag-strictos.

Pero interestingly, middle eastern talaga yata yung guy na in charge. Tapos tinanong namin, o paano yan?

Di man lang kami hinintay. Ano yung next flight? Kasi inabol ko yung Stockholm sa Sweden.

Of course as you know, Sweden is like the Los Angeles. Yung Stockholm is like the Los Angeles of Scandinavia.

Tapos sabi niya, oh the next one is 5pm? No, I don't think you'll make it.

Wala nga talaga ito. Hindi nga tumutulong. Nego pa. Pero hinabol ko talaga yung 5pm. Kaya nakabol tayo sa Stockholm.

Pero grabe Richard. I've traveled around the world since the 80s. But I've never been to Greenland. Who goes to Greenland?

Eto ang sasabihin ko sa'yo. Pag nakita ko yung mga icebergs doon, parang out of this world.

Alam mo yung mga pinapakinggan kong soundtrack, mga interstellar, yung mga ibang planeta.

But ironically, the last time I saw something weird out of this world na parang Mars colony was nung maglalanda ko sa North Korea, yung Pyongyang International Airport.

Kasi pagpasok mo pa lang, makikita mo yung Soviet era 1960s aircraft na nakapark. And then the surrounding is like emaciated land.

As in no vegetation, nothing. Parang nasa service ka ng Mars. And coming in from China, very fertile.

And then you see that, parang literally pumasok ka sa ibang mundo. So this is the second time since 2018.

I felt like out of this world. Grabe talaga yung Greenland. So I suggest yung mga iba dyan, try to go there.

Try to find a good package kasi nakanap ko na medyo murang package. Before, mawala yung icebergs. Kasi nakaka-worry.

I'll tell you, Ronald. Pag dating ko sa Open Hagen, naka ganyan lang ako. Literally ganyan lang, ha?

Wala. Mainit, pare. Mainit. 10 degrees, 8 degrees. That doesn't make sense. It's almost November.

Did you see the northern lights?

Yes. Medyo konti pero the weather was not that good. Pero sabi mo, medyo nakakaputi at nakakakinis ng skin yung walang pollution. Hindi sanay eh.

Torn ako. Torn ako dahil sa Norway, I won the axe-throwing competition. Tinalo ko yung mga Vikings doon.

Tapos sa Mongolia, I won the archery competition. So torn ako kung ang aking past life is Mongol or Viking.

Karehong genocidal.

Kaya actually napapabilip ako sa mga Mongolians kasi ang tatanggad ng mga tao. I'm not a short guy but when you go to Scandinavia, lahat ng mga babae matanggad sa akin, mga lalaki.

Nasa roof na. How did the Mongolians make it as far as the Baltic? They almost conquered entire Eastern Europe.

Kasi yung mga Inuit, yung mga locals dyan sa Greenland, medyo ka-itsura natin. Kasi Asiatic sila. Sila'y nag-cross ng Siberia. So yellow race sila.

Yung nagpumunta ng America. Tapos nag-cross. So kamukha na yung ibang Pinoy nakasama namin, nagiging mukhang Inuit na eh.

So honestly yung mga nakita mo sa Mongolia, hindi gano'ng kalayang itsura nila pag kinignan mo yung mga Inuit. Central Asian yung itsura nila.

Napakaliit ng Mongolia ngayon. Napakaliit ang population but they killed half of the human race.

Tapos sabi ko na one-eighth of humanity can trace their DNA to Genghis Khan. They did a lot of things.

Malapit-lapit na rin si Richard Heydaria.

Si Ronald the Axe Grinder. The Arrow. May pangalangan sa akin. Golden Horn.

Ano ba yung aking previous life? Was I a Mongol who killed half of humanity? Or was I a Viking who terrorized half of the world?

Nako Ronald. Ronald the AK-47. Papaya tayo pupunta dyan sa AK-47.

Just to be clear, dun sa isang nagpaparating na slave laborer. Ito. Ito.

Pag bukas ko ng WhatsApp ko after one week, naka-24 messages from Ronald. Hinahanap ako at nami-miss ako.

So if you want a call of duty, call of duty si Richard.

Baka na-kidnap ka na. Baka kailangan ng hostage negotiator or kailangan ng paratroopers.

Naka-landing ako dyan. Territoryo ko pa naman niya sa Bolivia.

With the Axe. With the Axe Grinder.

That's my most traveled place. Unless people didn't know, Sweden has 20,000 islands.

Akala natin tayo maraming islands.

Sa Baltic, di ba?

Yes. Sweden has 20,000 islands.

Grabe, no?

So three times the... Almost mala-Indonesia pala sila. Di ba? Kasi Indonesia is 26,000, right?

Incredible. That part of the world is so different. Kasi usually kasanayan natin, America, France.

Alam mo yung usual suspects, Germany, of course, España.

But you go to Scandinavia, totally different. Hindi sila consumable. Simpla sila manamit.

Halos lahat ng cars, electric. I think I did more metro in the past week.

Sumakaya ko ng metro that entire past 10 years. Kasi sobrang seamless.

Sobrang underground. Yung metro nila sobrang linis.

And Ronald, ganun ba sa Norway? Di pa ako nakapunang Norway.

Walang card. Honesty system siya. It's an honesty system, Ronald.

You can get in even if... Of course, nagbahid ako kasi just in case. May random check-in.

Pero walang check-out. You can get in. Wala siyang yung mga dadaanan. Totally walang ganun.

Ako dati, ginagawa ko, tumatalo lang ako. 30 years ago nung ako labor, free unions, wala akong budget.

So yung mga ganyan, tumatalo lang ako. Norway?

Norway, Sweden, Denmark, tumatalo lang ako.

Hindi ka nararandom check-in? Kasi mong suspicious ka?

Hindi. Pag may mag-check-in, punta ako CR.

Talagang puntakas pala.

Sino yung mga tricks of the trade?

Pero maganda yan sa Norway because Oslo is divided by a river.

So aakyat ka doon sa river na yun, malilipot mo yung buong Oslo tapos papababa.

Tapos yung isang side, andun yung poorer side.

Hindi yung poor na katulad sa atin.

Can you imagine Sweden? At the turn of the century, 19th century, almost half of the population migrated because of poverty.

Ngayon they're one of the 10 most developed countries in the world.

One of the 10 richest.

Happiest, Norway. Pero imagine, 100 years ago they were so poor. Parang Ireland.

Paramihan pumunta sa US, North America dahil hirap na hirap.

So may pag-asa pa tayo?

Yun nga inisip ko. These people were like Vikings back in the day.

You cannot get more brutal than Vikings.

Siguro Mongolian horde lang nakakatapan doon.

Look at them, they're the nicest people, super honest sila, super efficient.

Most peaceful country ngayon.

Most peaceful country, highest living standards, all of those things.

So may pag-asa tayo baka in the next 100 years.

Tayo kung ginagawang halimbawa yung Scandinavian countries.

Pero sa Scandinavian countries, yung babae na buntis, yung kanyang anak one month pa lang may allowance na.

Tapos pag pinanak siya hanggat walang trabaho yung bata, habang lumalaki, may allowance.

Dahil sa kanila, the future are the children. The future are the babies.

Alagang-alaga yan sa mga bansang yan.

Maliban pa sa napakaganda ng public education.

And Ronald, alam ko pag nag-aaral ka, mayroon ka pang allowance yata.

When you're studying, you get an allowance from the state.

Ibang klase yun.

And that's Denmark.

Ikaw kasi Norway, mas mayaman pang Norway.

Because of the oil.

Saudi Arabia of the Scandinavian.

Sovereign wealth fund in the world, 3 trillion dollars, whatever.

Super mayaman ng Norway.

They can afford to lose hundreds of billions sa kanilang wealth fund.

They cannot afford anything.

No room for error sa atin.

Speaking of which,

it looks like we're driving the wrong lessons sa Scandinavia.

Ang kinopia natin so far, the only thing I can think about is sovereign wealth fund.

Which is the least thing na bagay sa atin.

Of course, malayong-malayong Scandinavia in terms of their culture,

in terms of their history sa atin.

But are there things that we can pick up from them?

For instance, in Denmark,

if I'm not mistaken, sila rin behind yung windmill sa Ilocos Norte, right?

Hindi si BBM, diba?

I mean, last time I checked...

Ayala, ayala yun eh.

Yeah, and the Danish.

And the Ayala, eventually.

But I think the Danish were involved with the technology.

But I know that the Danish talaga, almost 100% renewable na sila.

And they're in a position to even export renewables.

In fact, the people who told me about that were the Germans.

When they were doing their Energi Vende, Energy Transformation, etc.

And they were saying how impressed they are with the Danes.

And I had no idea, like Pandora, hindi lang Maersk.

Kasi Maersk ang alam kong Dane.

There's so many global companies na Danish pala.

And I was talking to our friends sa Department of Foreign Affairs

and mga embassy natin dyan sa Denmark na tumuling sa atin.

Kasi, yung pala, if you go to Greenland, your Schengen should be from Denmark.

Eh, yung iba sa amin, Schengen namin Alaman, Schengen namin Frances.

So, they had to help me.

But anyways, I was talking to them about investments and all.

Apparently, the Danes are very involved in the Philippines.

But they're very quiet.

Hindi sila katulad ng mga Chinese.

We'll talk about them shortly.

Na ang dami sa nabi, wala naman dumating yung pledge track.

Or they're not as visible as Japan because Japan builds the public infrastructure and all.

They're here. They're in Palawan doing some coconut business.

They're here doing some renewable business.

But they're really in position to put back.

Yung Lego, by the way, apparently is Dane, right?

So, I didn't know that.

So, there were many companies na apparently Danish.

I thought they're like Swedish or Dutch.

Yung pala, they're Dane.

So, I'm very impressed.

I mean, buong Denmark yata, mas malaki pa yata ang QC do sa population sa buong Denmark.

Yeah, yeah.

And the GDP is bigger than our entire country.

I think they're like $500 billion GDP country.

It's insane.

Yeah.

I was there last year.

I met the environment secretary.

I met the head of the ruling party.

Social Democrat yung ruling party dyan.

Imagine yung environment secretary was much younger than you.

Babae, a girl.

Ganyan yung mga cabinet secretary nila.

Young people.

Pero very effective.

Very trustworthy.

Wala yata ang case of electoral fraud dyan sa Denmark.

Pumunta ako dati sa Finland.

The candidate, siya rin yung watcher.

Siya yung naglalagay ng balota.

Siya yung naglalagay ng balota doon sa ballot box.

Pwede sa kanila yun dahil wala silang history ng election violence or election fraud.

Ibang iba.

Can you imagine yung kandidato ang watcher sa presinto dito sa Pilipinas?

Sa mga Scandinavian countries, ganyan.

Sa Sweden, yung kanilang mga local officials are not elected.

They're appointed.

Yung alam mo, nung na-meet ko dati, yung mayor ng Stockholm was a young girl na very skilled sa management.

Siguro pag nag-develop na yung ating political culture, yung ating skillset, baka ganun na rin dapat.

Appointed ng mga local managers natin.

Hindi mo siya binibigay sa unpredictability ng mga maeleka mga warlords.

At saka mga kartel.

So, kaya pa yan. Magandang pag-usapan niyan later sa separate.

Yung parang comparison, di mo pwedeng sabihin na imposibleng mangyari sa atin yan.

Ibang iba.

Ang Sweden sa Pilipinas, inuulit ko, a hundred years ago, they're poorer than us.

More than 40% of their population migrated because of hunger, because of unemployment, because of poverty.

Yung natirang 60% decided hindi na pwede. We have to develop our country.

Sana sa atin ganun.

Bago umalis ang 50%, yung natitira ngayon na 80%, dapat gumawa na ng desisyon.

Hindi na kami papaya.

We're rich and yet the country is poor.

Yun yung naladiscovery ng mga Sumedes, ng mga Scandinavians, a century ago.

Yeah, I mean, there, grabe yung culture na.

Not only you have kids, essential kids, quote-unquote, people younger than me, you know, in cabinet positions and in parliament.

But there, kung prime minister ka, nag-commute ka lang and parang you're literally just treated like a public servant.

Like literally, really a public servant.

Nothing more, nothing less.

A friend of mine, Mona Salin. Mona Salin, a minister sa Sweden.

Siya yung ginugroom to be the next prime minister.

Nung minsan, pauwi siya ng bahay, bumili siya ng pasalubong sa kanyang anak.

Single mom siya.

So bumili siya ng Toblerone, ng chocolate.

Eh, naiwanan niya yung kanyang public credit card.

Naiwanan niya yung kanyang private credit card.

Ang daladala niya yung kanyang public credit card.

Yung ginagamit mo sa official functions.

So ginamit na yan to buy a €1 chocolate candy.

Tanggal siya.

Tanggal siya as minister.

At nasira ang kanyang future as the prime minister.

Because of €1.

€1 na ginamit niya yung kanyang public credit card.

That's Mona Salin.

Sa Pilipinas, diyos ko po, pinagmamalaki.

Pag nakalusot, pag hindi nahuling nag-nakaw.

Nung hundreds of millions.

Ito €1.

Tanggal.

Zero tolerance kasi sila sa corruption.

I mean, kahit walang sinasanto sa mga bansang yan.

Kahit €1 lang yung ginamit mo.

Yan nga yung sinasabi ko Ronald.

I think mali yung bansa na ina-idol natin.

Sa America kasi sobrang questionable yung democracy nila.

Yung lobbies nila.

Yung facts nila.

I think there's a term for legal corruption.

The term pork barrel comes from America.

Yan lang galing yan.

Exactly.

So not only did we get our democracy from outside,

meaning it was imposed on us

because our elite never wanted democracy

unlike in Sweden, the monarchy, the aristocracy

eventually moved towards democratization.

Sa atin not only it was imposed,

but it was imposed by a country back then

that was extremely corrupt.

This is late 19th century, early 20th century America.

Until today, kita natin.

Kaya nakapaginan.

Because I think yun nga.

Mali yung mga role models natin.

We look at Singapore na, you know,

it's a city-state.

So my connected site, and I was in Singapore.

It's not a real country.

I mean, Ronald, of course I was in Singapore the other week

and we were talking.

Dumantin ako sa Singapore.

But I mean, Singapore has its own strengths and all

but it's not necessarily bastion of liberal democracy.

So parang mali parating tinitignan natin ng mga role models.

Not replicable.

You cannot replicate Singapore.

We cannot.

And should we even replicate?

I mean, look at the Singaporeans.

They're fantastic people. I love them.

But they're very stressed.

It's a very competitive society.

Lahat tiger moms, tiger parents.

Kaya taas ng mga rates ng anxiety, depression, mga ganun.

Now you go to Scandinavia,

you also have a lot of problems with depression

but that's because it's all snow and desert of snow.

But there, I think I was told that

in the first two years of their education,

the kids are taught social skills lang.

Even ahead of arithmetic and literacy.

Like, they totally have a revolutionary way

of looking at education to make sure

you become a complete person.

You become an honest person.

A person with that quality of life

that's just topping the race,

and number one here, number one there.

So what's their advantage in short

in Scandinavian culture?

Imagine Richard, almost half of the population

in Scandinavian countries, especially Sweden,

never graduated from college.

They graduated from study circles.

They're self-educated.

And yet, they're one of the most intelligent people

in the world.

The Scandinavian countries are not diploma mills.

They have study circles.

They have teach-ins here in the 60s.

That's where they do their own curriculum.

That's one of the foundations of their society.

Participative education.

That's what I was using before

when I was in trade unions,

the study circle framework.

This is what they call organic intellectual.

Yeah, I mean, the education instills

a lot of fundamental values.

I mean, I'm not surprised why Sweden

is behind all of these global brands.

IKEA, H&M, it's a very small country

for all these global brands.

Volvo, Escania, all of these great cars

that many people mistake as German.

They're not German.

They're Swedish cars.

They're fantastic, very high quality.

But you're right.

It's just so out of this world

that at the same time,

wait, why aren't we paying attention

to these countries?

I was actually also talking

to some of our Filipino friends

in Denmark who are residing there

or they're married, etc.

They were asking,

why aren't there many Filipinos here

compared to other parts of Europe?

Because you go to Italy,

you go to Spain,

there are a lot of Filipinos.

Of course, I understand probably

there's other regulatory reasons.

But one of the things I was told is

because the cost of living is high,

the disposable income is not that high

compared to the US or Singapore

or other countries.

It's not that attractive to Filipinos.

But if you marry and you want

to raise a family,

it's head and shoulders above

the United States or France

or Spain and Italy

and those kinds of countries.

Partly, maybe the weather.

Of course, the weather is better

in Southern Europe.

Secondly, the language.

It's not that easy to understand Swedish

unlike other languages.

Or pronouns.

It's very hard.

It's very difficult.

Yes, yes.

But we can learn a lot from other countries.

Not as a model,

but as lessons,

especially in social welfare.

Because social protection

and social welfare are very good.

I hope Filipinos won't see

their prisons.

Because their prisons are like...

I think Norway is the most notorious.

It's like a condo.

You have a cable TV.

You have five meals a day.

You have a conjugal visit.

You have a solo room.

If they see that,

our fellow Filipinos

might migrate here.

Actually, I have some stories,

real-life stories about some Filipinos

trying to test us.

But I'll have to check

if I can share those.

Actually, I was surprised.

I was in Amsterdam

a few years ago.

And I was told...

This is for educational purposes,

by the way.

I was told that

Netherlands imports inmates

from Scandinavia

because they run out of accommodation.

I mean,

if your accommodation is five-star,

at some point,

you're going to run out of facilities.

They made Netherlands

a penal colony.

This is just crazy.

It's out of this world.

Talking about prisons,

I think

President Duterte

will be comfortable

in The Hague.

I saw the prison.

There's nothing inside.

So,

if the international warrant

continues

and the Philippine government

gives up on Duterte,

I don't think he will have a hard time

in the prison in The Hague

and his fellow Filipinos

because the prisons are nice.

It's like a condominium.

And there are few...

There are almost no prisoners

in the prison.

So,

I will wish him luck.

So, now you're officially close.

I saw what you did there.

You transitioned us

to our first topic at hand.

Thank you very much.

I really like what you did there.

Let's talk about this shortly.

So, in our next episode,

this is kind of like an overview of

a bit Scandinavia,

other countries.

Let's not just focus on

Singapore and the U.S.

There are so many other real role models.

We have to look at best practices.

And as Ronald said,

a hundred years ago,

Sweden was one of the richest countries.

And a hundred years ago,

Argentina was one of the richest countries.

The poorest countries in Sweden,

the richest countries in Argentina.

And look at what the two countries

have turned out over the hundreds.

Institutions matter.

Mobilization matters.

I mean,

just the last thing on this.

Ronald,

I think one of the secrets

to success of Scandinavian democracies

is the highly mobilized labor sector

they have,

the highly progressive

and mobilized civil society sector

they have.

The degree of organization...

The aristocrats are poor.

The rich are poor.

Yeah.

Almost everyone is organized.

Into community organizations,

into cooperatives,

into trade unions.

Everybody is organized.

That's why their organizations

are the basis of their

high educational level.

What we have here are fraternities

and sects.

We have sects.

That's what a lot of people say.

Mafioso style.

Italian edition.

Civil society is so alive.

Civil society is the foundation

of society.

That's one major difference.

So they have the social pact

with capital.

That's their foundation.

They have the social pact.

We maintain your

private ownership,

private capital,

but you have to give something back.

That's why the taxation is high.

Even income tax is high.

Usually 40 to 50 percent

of the income goes to taxes.

But no one is complaining.

Why?

Because they can give back.

They can give back.

That's our problem.

So you have very high tax rate,

but people feel it.

If you have kids,

you don't have to worry about their education

because it's going to be all paid,

all subsidized.

You don't have to worry about healthcare.

You don't have to worry about

public spaces.

Their methods are good.

And then here's the problem.

Who's richer?

And now with us,

you have an ex-president

calling for a tax boycott.

You're not here.

You didn't see that.

Duterte calling for civil disobedience.

Boycott led by him.

Unless you're proven

guilty of corruption.

Father Gandhi.

Imagine that.

Imagine that.

I'll do it again.

Maybe you'll come back.

No.

That's enough.

Actually,

I just wanted to raise

also the issue of taxes and all.

I don't want others to comment.

It's funny.

Even pro-fathers

are fighting.

Now, let's officially

go to our next topic.

Thank you very much.

I'll see you later.