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00:04.0
This will be our last episode
00:07.6
Ka-interview natin
00:09.1
Medyo busy rin tayo
00:12.8
This weekend or next week
00:14.5
As we see the developments
00:15.8
Unless something even crazier
00:16.9
Happens in our politics
00:17.9
But let's talk about
00:18.9
A little bit foreign policy
00:21.0
A couple of things
00:22.4
I want to talk about
00:31.7
Palestinian side of the story
00:34.5
Seems to be getting
00:35.6
A lot of traction online
00:39.4
I don't know if you followed this
00:40.6
I know you're not as active on Twitter
00:43.2
Actually Maria Ressa
00:44.5
Our Nobel Peace Prize
00:45.7
Has come under a lot of
00:48.5
Trending natin siya several days
00:51.2
She's been questioned
00:52.5
In terms of her stance
00:54.3
Honestly I still don't know
00:55.5
What is her stance
00:56.3
Kaya my advice actually to her was
00:59.9
A different discussion
01:00.4
I had with Leloy was
01:02.6
If she comes up with a
01:08.3
Just come up with a full statement
01:10.0
Para makita ng tao
01:11.0
Kasi ang nakikita lang natin
01:13.6
She's just sharing
01:14.8
From different sides
01:16.0
And yung isa na share niya
01:17.7
Mukhang na-interpret
01:20.5
Nami-misinterpret
01:24.0
Palestinian side of the story
01:26.5
As thousands of children
01:30.9
Ceasefire is still not happening
01:32.0
People just felt na
01:33.1
Maybe Maria Ressa
01:33.8
Should be more forthcoming
01:35.0
And then of course
01:35.9
You know Maria Ressa
01:40.1
Columbia University
01:41.0
I wonder if she's meeting
01:43.1
A fantastic professor
01:44.3
Palestinian American professor
01:46.0
Who's been at the forefront
01:47.2
Of giving more ideas
01:48.7
The other side of the story
01:49.9
Which many people don't hear
01:53.1
But going back to this
01:54.6
What's happening here
01:58.2
Is this a situation
02:00.4
I mean first Ronald
02:02.2
Are you seeing a shift
02:04.6
Not a public opinion
02:08.8
Palestinian side of the story
02:11.6
Very strong woke movement
02:14.4
Also pushing back
02:15.3
Against the other side
02:16.3
And then also like
02:17.7
What does this episode
02:23.1
Maybe we shouldn't expect them
02:25.3
To take a strong stance
02:27.5
Maybe in favor of
02:28.4
Palestine in this issue
02:29.2
Because they're not
02:32.0
What's going on here
02:34.2
To give constructive
02:35.6
Because Maria Ressa
02:37.5
Is very important
02:39.8
She's Philippine-American
02:43.5
And we see convergence
02:44.7
Of Philippine and American
02:46.3
In the LGBTQ movement
02:49.4
Our own version of
02:53.7
So what's going on there
02:55.9
Ikaw anong basa mo dito?
02:58.0
You're not a Twitter guy
03:00.7
Nakita ko yung mga
03:12.7
Terrorists or not
03:15.7
Term of reference nila
03:19.0
Bumaha siya ng libro
03:22.0
Doon siya unang nakilala
03:31.1
As a terrorist organization
03:32.5
At very clear yung gusto niyang condemnation
03:35.2
Sa ginawa ng Hamas
03:37.7
Mga sibilyan sa Israel
03:42.6
Isang starting point niya
03:44.1
Paano doon nagsimula lahat ito eh
03:46.2
Together with other
03:48.1
Nobel Peace Prize
03:51.0
Kumuha sila ng statement
03:54.8
Calling for a ceasefire, supporting the UN Secretary General Guterres, at saka yung humanitarian corridor.
04:03.6
So kailangan hindi rin makita yung posisyon niya sa Hamas na hindi nakadikit dun sa statement na yun.
04:11.2
Na pinirmahan ng maraming...
04:13.3
Kasama sa banat sa kanya kasi, bawiin yung Nobel Prize, diba?
04:21.2
Dahil sa posisyon niya about Hamas.
04:24.2
Kung tingin ko, kung ang posisyon ni Maria Reza ay hindi niya pinapansin yung Palestinian issue,
04:33.8
ay tingin ko baka makaroon ng traction yung ganong call.
04:36.7
Pero hindi naman eh.
04:38.1
Yung statement ng mga Nobel laureate ay malinaw naman yung kanilang call for a humanitarian ceasefire,
04:46.1
support sa UN, etc.
04:50.0
Kinakuan ko lang saan siya nang gagaling.
04:54.2
Yung kanyang karir dati.
04:56.1
Diba? May libro siya about terrorism.
04:58.6
At kasama yan sa kanyang binabanata dito sa Hamas issue.
05:03.1
Pero hindi lang yan si Maria Reza.
05:05.7
Almost the entire European or North American left divided dyan eh.
05:10.9
Especially yung European.
05:12.4
Sa Europe, talagang hating-hating.
05:14.2
Sa North America, mukhang mas marami yung gustong balikan yung issue ng history ng Palestine.
05:25.4
Ako naman, hindi ako sangayon na hindi i-condemn ang Hamas.
05:29.4
Ako, doon din ako nang gagaling.
05:30.7
Dapat i-condemn din yun eh.
05:32.0
Para maging credible.
05:33.4
Tamatayan tayo ng mga kababayan din.
05:35.7
I mean, as Filipinos.
05:37.9
Para maging credible yung pagtawag mo ng ceasefire.
05:40.6
Para maging credible yung humanitarian cost mo.
05:44.5
Kailangan mo rin i-condemn ah yung Hamas.
05:47.3
Dito sa nangyari.
05:48.9
Knowing na sila yung gobyerno.
05:52.8
Sa Gaza, it doesn't justify not to condemn them.
06:00.9
So, at tingin ko, mas magiging compelling yung iyong narrative about helping the Palestinians
06:07.5
if you condemn these baby killers.
06:11.3
If you condemn these pumapatay ng mga sibilyan.
06:15.1
Ang ibig sabihin naman ng terrorism ay yung paggamit ng gera against civilian population.
06:21.6
Yun naman ang general definition.
06:22.8
So, in that definition, Hamas is a terrorist.
06:27.0
The Israeli bombing Gaza are also terrorists involved in genocide.
06:34.2
Kaya ako, doon ako lang gagaling.
06:36.9
So, your position is any deliberate or indiscriminate attack against civilians for political reasons is an act of terror.
06:43.9
Parang yun yung position nila.
06:46.3
Kahit sabihin nila na, oh, yung mga target namin nagtatago behind the civilians.
06:50.7
Ay, hindi justification.
06:52.8
Napatayin yung pinagtataguhan.
06:55.0
Hindi, kita mo ba yung mga kwan?
06:56.8
Yung mga, yung mga craters?
07:00.3
Kahit si Superman, hindi mabubuhay doon sa craters.
07:03.9
Indiscrimination, ha?
07:05.3
Yung ganong kalalaki?
07:06.6
No, isang, isang kwan eh.
07:08.1
Isang black yung crater, diba?
07:10.3
And they could not confirm kung pinatay yung Hamas commander even.
07:15.0
So, after all of this, you think you got, you know, they couldn't confirm daw.
07:20.1
So, like, so how is this?
07:21.8
You're just gonna, you know.
07:22.8
Kaya nga, kaya nga, even the Americans, na solidly behind the Israelis, are calling for a pause, you know?
07:32.1
Not ceasefire, a pause.
07:33.3
They're coming with new terms, parang hindi ceasefire, no?
07:36.0
Dahil tinatamaan sila eh.
07:38.0
Diba, tinatamaan sila eh.
07:39.5
Tinatamaan si Biden.
07:41.0
He's gonna lose hundreds of thousands of Muslim American vote, especially in Michigan.
07:45.7
He's already beating Trump in swing states.
07:48.7
And I think this, this crisis.
07:50.7
How can you attack Putin?
07:52.8
You're killing civilians in Ukraine, tapos susuportahan mo Israel for killing children in Gaza.
08:00.6
Ano yung tsura mo nun?
08:01.9
Ano yung tsura mo nun?
08:03.4
Hindi yan, untenable ito eh, para sa Democrats eh.
08:07.1
Untenable ito kay Biden.
08:08.5
Kaya, ang kanilang escape clause, let's have a pause.
08:12.8
Let's have a pause, no?
08:13.8
But thousands have already been killed.
08:15.6
I mean, children, right?
08:16.8
More than 10,000, yeah.
08:18.4
At more than half dyan, children, no?
08:21.0
And just to be clear, actually, the United Nations has confirmed that hindi ito yung mga numbers na ginagawa lang nila doon, no?
08:33.7
Hindi ito yung PNBC.
08:35.3
Sinabi ni Biden, wala siyang tiwala doon sa...
08:37.9
So, UN hasn't known what, and the names were out.
08:41.5
So, without it, you can check the name of the victims, including children and women, you know?
08:46.5
That's what I don't like, you know?
08:47.9
Like, that's not the right way.
08:50.2
I mean, we can...
08:51.0
But when you're trying to even erase the victims, medyo ibang usapan na yan.
08:55.7
So, I think that this is going to be really bad for Biden.
08:58.5
Honestly, I think Trump has a very good chance of winning this.
09:01.7
And if anything, a third-party candidate has a very good chance of also doing very well.
09:06.6
I think 20-25% yung kay Bob Kennedy Jr., yung numbers niya, that's insane for a third-party candidate, no?
09:13.7
And there are even discussions that Governor Newsom of California may step in, or Kamala Harris.
09:19.7
I just don't think it's going to work.
09:21.0
So, I mean, Democrats are in huge trouble.
09:24.6
Because yun nga eh, I know Biden is trying to say, I'm with both sides, but the sequencing, the timing, the circumstances,
09:32.4
and with all these young people taking a very different position on the conflict in the Middle East,
09:37.3
and then becoming new voters, I don't know, medyo malaba yung situation ni Biden.
09:41.0
He has to do something big, big, big in the coming days.
09:43.8
But dito balikan natin, Ronald, because you're also very much embedded in the global internationalist movement and all.
09:51.0
So, are you, what are the divisions in the left and liberal progressive movement you're saying?
09:57.3
Do you think these divisions will be eternal?
10:02.1
Kasi for me, the best way forward is something like what Boric said, which is more or less what he said, right?
10:08.9
Like Boric, ka-H ko lang yan, yung President ng Chile, diba?
10:12.5
You can condemn both.
10:13.7
It's not an either or you can condemn terror acts against civilians.
10:17.2
You can also condemn indiscriminate bombings or supposedly.
10:21.0
Indiscriminate bombings, no?
10:23.1
So, you cannot, it's not about choosing.
10:25.6
And you can also talk about, at the same time, historical context.
10:29.4
Like, they're not mutually exclusive, diba?
10:31.9
For example, yeah, example, Richard.
10:35.4
Next week, may gathering yung party of European Socialists sa European Parliament.
10:39.8
This is the second biggest block within the European Parliament.
10:43.0
Darating dyan mga heads of state, no?
10:45.2
Si Prime Minister Sanchez ng Spain, Prime Minister ng Portugal, Prime Minister ng Denmark, no?
10:51.0
Prime Minister ng Norway, et cetera, no?
10:52.9
Prime Minister ng Germany, and yan.
10:55.4
Pero makikita mo, yung positioning niyang isang organization na yan,
10:59.4
who are both members of the Socialist International and the Progressive Alliance,
11:05.5
Even within the UK Labour Party, who might be the next ruling party,
11:11.9
Hati yung kanilang positioning between the chairman and the former chairman
11:17.6
Halimbawa, yung PES, yung Party of European Socialists,
11:21.0
In just a few days, no?
11:22.8
Magkikita-kita yan, yung position ng Prime Minister ng Spain,
11:27.7
Prime Minister ng Portugal, iba sa position ng Prime Minister ng Denmark, no?
11:33.4
Prime Minister ng Germany, no?
11:35.5
Yung Prime Minister ng Norway mukhang leaning towards Spain and Portugal.
11:41.4
Pero makikita mo, they're members of two international, hati sila.
11:45.2
Yeah, they voted for...
11:49.1
Kaya, bumababaya.
11:51.0
Sa mga foundations, bumababaya sa mga local parties, no?
11:55.1
So, yung division na yan.
11:56.6
Talagang intense yung away.
11:58.3
Lalo na, pag lumalabas na itong mga video pictures ng children, no?
12:03.6
Suffering, being killed, being maimed, no?
12:06.7
Biro mo yung isang bata, no?
12:09.5
Sinasabi niya, ang natira sa aking kapatid, no?
12:12.5
Ay ganito kalaki, no?
12:15.2
Yung nanay, yung tatay, nahawak-hawak yung patay na sanggol,
12:18.8
habang yung asawa niya ay patay, no?
12:22.2
Yung mga images na yan, no?
12:24.3
Medyo mahirap yung kontrahin, eh.
12:27.6
Because these are real, eh.
12:29.2
Sinasabi ng Israel, oh, military age yung mga tao na yan, no?
12:33.4
Yan ay mga Hamas.
12:37.2
Hindi naman ganyang karami ang Hamas.
12:39.8
Ngayon, sinasabi mo, buong population ng Gaza are Hamas.
12:43.8
Ibig sabihin, uubusin mo lahat yan.
12:48.8
Ganun yung conclusion, eh.
12:50.9
Dahil lahat yan, military age,
12:52.9
lahat yan ay nagtatago sa civilians,
12:57.3
Talagang genocidal yung...
12:59.1
yung ano yan, yung proposal na yan.
13:01.9
Bago mangyari, tutulan mo na.
13:04.3
At yung mga kaliwa
13:05.8
na hindi puposisyon ng malinaw dyan,
13:09.1
will be condemned, eh.
13:11.7
Dahil sa panahon ngayon ng social media,
13:13.5
yung positioning mo will be permanent.
13:16.5
Hindi yan pwedeng kalimutan, eh.
13:18.0
Yan yung problema.
13:18.8
Yan yung problema ngayon, eh.
13:20.5
Everything na lumabas ngayon.
13:21.5
Not in the Philippines.
13:23.4
Ang tanda ni Raffia Luna,
13:24.6
hindi naman daw siya DDS.
13:26.0
So, I don't know.
13:27.8
I see more and more.
13:29.3
Sorry, pinatulong ko, ah.
13:31.8
Hindi ako nakapagtimpi.
13:33.7
I'm just saying, you know,
13:35.0
like, just look at the Philippines,
13:36.4
biglang yung mga DDS na...
13:37.3
Ako, DDS, how dare you?
13:39.1
Hindi lang i-guest like ka pa nila.
13:41.4
So, let me end on this note
13:43.1
because I wanna ask you the question
13:44.6
because, you know,
13:46.2
medyo natatrama ako dito sa discussion na,
13:48.8
sorry, collateral damage lang yan.
13:51.1
Yung ganyan diskurso is...
13:53.1
Naalala ko yung diskurso
13:54.4
nung panahon ng EJK ni Digong.
13:59.0
Of course, let's investigate that.
14:01.2
Alleged EJK nung panahon ni Digong.
14:03.4
Okay, let's be legal.
14:06.6
Yung nung nanlaban argument.
14:08.6
Yung nanlaban argument.
14:10.3
You can justify anything you say.
14:14.8
You get what I'm saying?
14:15.5
And then, ay, sorry, collateral damage.
14:17.2
You see, that kind of...
14:18.0
I'm not saying they're the same case.
14:19.5
They're different cases.
14:21.2
We can argue about which is worse in certain way
14:23.2
or whether they're even comparable at all.
14:25.6
Yes, but that insensitivity,
14:27.7
yung pagkamanhid,
14:29.7
ay, sorry na lang, collateral damage.
14:31.9
Medyo trauma ako dyan, Ronald.
14:35.7
you have spent your life
14:37.0
in progressive movement and all.
14:40.0
I don't claim to be anything along those lines.
14:42.9
But ako naman, parang...
14:44.8
Siyempre, yung...
14:48.2
inyong mga kababayan minsan,
14:49.9
pag na-shaken yan,
14:51.4
masakit yan, Ronald, eh.
14:52.6
Kasi kaya nga tayo lumalaban
14:54.2
dahil naniwala tayo sa ating taong bayan.
14:57.8
the moral cause, no?
14:59.8
For fighting for a better Philippines.
15:01.3
And then, marinig mo yung mga ibang...
15:02.7
I'm not saying all,
15:03.8
pero yung ibang kababayan mo na parang,
15:05.4
ay, ano lang yan?
15:06.9
Collateral damage.
15:07.7
Yung ganyan na manhid,
15:09.4
ganyan na dehumanization.
15:11.4
And then, of course,
15:12.7
panahon ng Marawi, diba?
15:13.9
Binomba-bomba yung mga Marawi.
15:15.7
I mean, honestly,
15:16.7
did we really need...
15:17.5
Ilan ba yung mountain na yan?
15:18.9
Did we really need to bomb the whole city?
15:22.0
Kaya nga may tinatawag na
15:24.1
Again, I support the AFP,
15:26.5
fighting for our country, etc.
15:27.9
But I have some issues
15:29.1
about the operational accuracy and all.
15:30.9
But you would hear
15:32.2
Filipinas saying,
15:34.1
kasi sumuporta sila ng
15:38.4
kaya tama lang na mabomb...
15:39.7
Yung mga ganyan na usapin,
15:42.3
but from ordinary civilian.
15:45.1
that I really respected,
15:46.2
yung ganyan naman,
15:46.9
na didi-dehumanize yung mga tao.
15:51.2
Medyo traumatized ako noon.
15:53.0
hindi pa ako naka...
15:53.6
So when I was hearing it again
15:55.3
in the past two weeks and three...
15:56.9
Ngayon, medyo tumahimik na yung iba.
15:58.4
Pero I heard that a lot
16:00.0
in the second week of October.
16:02.9
Na tama lang yan,
16:03.7
bombayin yung kapila.
16:06.8
Ikaw, what is your take on that?
16:08.3
I mean, I know you're not
16:09.2
a religious man per se,
16:12.7
you have gone through
16:13.9
the Catholic faith.
16:15.8
I mean, the Pope has spoken on this.
16:17.5
The Pope is absolutely
16:19.8
katolik ang mga Pilipino.
16:21.1
So, are we listening to the Pope?
16:24.2
Kapag nga na sinabi mo,
16:27.1
walang experience.
16:29.0
I organize in Basilan.
16:31.3
Rubber cooperatives.
16:35.8
In-organize namin.
16:36.8
And we fought the Abu Sayap
16:38.2
na nilirade yung mga plantations namin.
16:48.1
Nakalaban namin yan.
16:50.9
may kaunti akong knowledge about them.
16:54.4
Pero hindi mo gagamitin silang excuse.
16:57.0
Para sa sinasabi mong collateral damage.
17:01.2
nag-react ako dun sa mga sinasabi ni Rafael Unan.
17:04.5
Yung kanyang paranoia
17:08.8
at saka Chinese spies
17:10.0
are coming out of the woodwork.
17:12.8
bordering on racism,
17:14.7
At pinaalala ko sa kanila,
17:16.0
yun ang nangyari sa Indonesia
17:18.0
na more than a million yung napatay
17:20.4
na pinagsususpechahan na
17:22.2
Chinese communist.
17:24.4
Yan yung delikado eh
17:25.5
sa ganyang klaseng paranoia.
17:28.6
it's a two-edged sword.
17:31.4
Nag-de-divide tayo
17:32.7
at in the final analysis,
17:34.6
manghihina tayo as a nation.
17:36.7
At mas vulnerable tayo
17:40.2
at saka foreigners.
17:42.3
kumagay ang ganyang klaseng
17:44.7
na collateral damage
17:46.2
na nakabase sa paranoia,
17:48.5
nakabase sa sinophobia.
17:50.3
Yan ang magkakamagalak eh.
17:52.0
Magkakadikit-dikit yan eh.
17:53.4
At yung mga sociopaths
17:55.5
at saka psychopaths
17:57.0
na gumagamit niyan
17:58.3
are birds of the same feather.
18:01.6
Pareho-pareho yan eh.
18:02.7
Kahit iba-iba yung itsura.
18:04.5
Yan yung ating dapat
18:07.6
Dahil minsan nakatago yan eh.
18:10.8
ang lakas ng populism eh.
18:12.4
ang lakas ng sinophobia.
18:13.9
nagtatago sila sa iba't-ibang
18:16.1
mga vulnerabilities
18:17.7
ng kanilang mga populasyon eh.
18:20.9
Ang pinipindot nila
18:23.3
yung mga vulnerabilities.
18:25.7
yung populism sa US,
18:28.8
based on data analytics eh.
18:30.5
Pinag-aralan nila
18:31.4
yung section ng white population
18:35.2
Loneliness ang basis
18:36.3
ng kanilang data analytics.
18:38.8
Itong lonely white man,
18:41.0
Paano ba nila yan
18:44.3
paano ba ang psychosocial profiling yan?
18:47.0
At yun yung ginamit nila
18:50.0
At patuloy na ginagamit ngayon.
18:52.4
Yan yung pinag-uusapan natin.
18:54.1
Kahit iba-iba yung itsura.
18:55.8
Kahit iba-iba yung permutations.
18:58.9
yung mga katulad natin,
19:00.1
laging nina-expose yan.
19:01.9
Whether manggaling yan sa kaliwa,
19:03.7
manggaling yan sa kanan,
19:05.0
manggaling yan sa gitna,
19:06.7
sa taas o sa baba,
19:08.0
everybody ay vulnerable dyan.
19:11.3
itong si Maria Reza,
19:13.4
yung buong picture.
19:14.5
Ano po ba yung iba niyang statements?
19:16.7
Ang kinuha lang yung statement niya
19:19.3
Hindi nakita yung statement
19:21.0
about Palestine eh.
19:22.7
Nagshare lang siya eh.
19:25.0
just because you retweet something
19:26.3
doesn't mean you exactly mean it.
19:28.3
naintindihan ko yung ibang critics
19:29.6
sa isang point nila,
19:30.3
she has to be clear.
19:31.0
Kaya nga sabi ko,
19:32.2
just come up with a statement,
19:33.4
shut down all of the critics
19:34.3
at tapos nang usapan.
19:37.5
tinitignan ko rin
19:38.1
sino yung nag-criticize.
19:43.0
isang attorney something,
19:46.7
na nakaaway ni Chris Aquino,
19:48.6
na medyo may kaunting kwenyon,
19:50.1
may kaunting sayad.
19:51.8
kaybiyan natin yan.
19:55.3
Kasabihin ko naman sa harapan niya eh.
19:57.7
meron kang mga galing sa kaliwa
19:59.0
na iba naman yung pinanggagalingan
20:02.9
terrorist ang Hamas.
20:08.1
pag tinawag mong terrorist yung Hamas,
20:10.2
anti-Palestine ka na.
20:11.7
Ganon ka agad yung kanila conclusion.
20:16.8
extreme partisanship eh.
20:21.5
should be humanity.
20:23.1
We should be with all the children
20:25.2
lahat ng masibilang nabiktima.
20:28.3
anong religion mo.
20:29.7
We have to stand.
20:30.8
when ideology comes before humanity,
20:32.9
that's where it's lost eh.
20:34.3
Magiging away-away lang
20:35.3
ng ideological yan.
20:36.7
tawagin ko Richard yung Hamas
20:41.7
Ako ba ay anti-Palestine?
20:44.1
Pupunta nga ako sa Tunisia
20:46.3
Para tumulong dun sa
20:49.6
Palestinian Party,
20:52.4
with our Labor Party of Israel,
20:55.2
tsaka yung trade union,
20:57.6
So, ibig sabihin,
20:58.6
may gagawin kami.
20:59.8
Hindi kami natutulog dito
21:05.7
dun sa two-state solution.
21:08.8
sabihin ng iba na patay na.
21:11.5
isang-ayon sa dialogue.
21:14.3
malinaw yung aming
21:17.9
While at the same time,
21:19.4
terrorist na itong Hamas.
21:23.5
At least you condemn
21:25.2
dun sa mga cities.
21:27.3
mga kabahay na natin
21:29.6
absolutely clear about that.
21:30.9
At the same time,
21:31.5
we can talk about
21:32.2
the historical roots,
21:34.7
structure matters
21:35.7
but also there's agency.
21:40.5
difficult conditions.
21:43.8
according to some.
21:44.7
But that's not an excuse.
21:48.6
There's still the grace
21:50.6
in the scripture.
21:56.2
some of our friends,
21:58.3
yun yung pinanggagalingan.
22:00.5
terrorist ng Hamas,
22:01.7
anti-Palestine ka.
22:04.8
kung kikriticize mo
22:05.8
naman yung kabila
22:06.3
policy ng kabila,
22:11.2
we have to be very clear.
22:12.4
against anti-Semitism.
22:14.3
against Islamophobia.
22:16.7
against xenophobia.
22:20.0
if you have heard us
22:20.8
behind the scenes,
22:22.7
not enemies of China.
22:24.4
I think we appreciate
22:25.6
what China's done
22:27.1
in terms of lifting
22:27.8
people out of it.
22:28.4
I led three delegations
22:32.2
I'm the only Filipino
22:34.7
to speak at their
22:35.5
party school in Beijing,
22:39.0
101st anniversary
22:40.1
of the Communist Party.
22:41.2
I think I'm the only
22:42.1
Filipino who did that.
22:46.2
Balimbing ka daw, Ronald.
22:47.4
Balimbing ka daw.
22:51.5
West Philippine Sea,
22:52.7
may photo of mine,
22:57.2
Hindi tayo hater.
22:59.2
Diyan ako naiinis.
23:00.2
Na tinitwist yung words na.
23:02.3
the actions of the
23:03.9
vis-a-vis West Philippine Sea
23:05.1
at maingis na natin.
23:06.5
But I have nothing
23:07.2
against the Chinese people
23:09.0
nothing against Chino.
23:12.0
I had among my best friends
23:15.0
I spent great time
23:17.3
I've been to China many times.
23:18.7
Really great times
23:19.4
with our friends there.
23:20.6
Outside politics,
23:21.4
this is just humanity, no?
23:23.8
Talking about nothing
23:24.6
that has to do with politics, no?
23:26.4
Chinese-American friends.
23:28.9
That's my problem,
23:32.1
dahil gusto magdumistan
23:34.0
nag-over-correct.
23:35.3
Nag-over-compensate.
23:36.9
And then suddenly,
23:37.6
they're doing something
23:39.9
is not patriotism.
23:44.0
meron ka nga senador eh.
23:45.7
Highest-ranking senador eh.
23:47.7
Ang sinasabi eh, no?
23:51.5
Yung mga Pilipino-Chinese,
23:53.5
Stand up and be counted.
23:55.4
you are traitors.
23:57.0
Yeah, yun pa rin.
23:59.4
Yan yung talagang
23:59.7
bordering on xenophobia,
24:03.4
Pero kung panahon ni Digong,
24:09.2
Tapos meron ka nga ito na,
24:13.8
cabinet secretary,
24:15.1
nung nuwans pa ngayon,
24:19.2
paranoid na paranoid
24:22.6
hindi naman pa pwede yan.
24:25.4
Kasi naging interview sa kanya.
24:30.1
atakayin ka hindi na
24:32.1
si Rafi nang datang
24:33.3
sa iyo at hindi si Rafi Tulpo.
24:36.0
Mag-blind item na
24:37.0
hindi naman masyadong
24:44.3
I really appreciate it.
24:45.3
Alam ko pagod ka,
24:46.1
you had a long day,
24:47.4
so hindi ko ipapahabayin yan.
24:52.7
may interview pa ako.
24:57.2
welcome to the world.
24:59.2
that's the price.
25:01.2
iuulawaan yung mundo mo.
25:03.7
You're everywhere.
25:08.8
I really appreciate it.
25:10.1
yung ginagawa natin dito,
25:12.1
I do interviews all around the world,
25:15.1
but this conversation
25:18.0
this kind of in-depth,
25:20.0
soulful conversation,
25:21.7
no mainstream media can beat us.
25:23.4
Hindi ako nag-iabang,
25:25.3
Alam niyan na mga followers natin,
25:28.8
they know you'll not get
25:30.5
this kind of discussion
25:31.3
in any mainstream media,
25:33.6
Kapag may muminsan si Juan,
25:37.8
related literature.
25:40.0
the problem ni L,
25:41.4
yung time niya San Francisco,
25:45.5
Ganon kasing time ko sa kanya,
25:48.4
6.30 ako po kasi.
25:57.5
mga ganitong time.
25:59.9
hindi ka nag-interview
26:00.4
ng 6am sa Saturday.
26:03.7
I'm an insomniac,
26:05.8
Jensi ka pala, eh.
26:08.5
RRL na natin yan,
26:10.2
With Len Maliman.
26:13.4
parating ang hinahanap nun.
26:16.0
nakikinig siya sa atin,
26:17.7
tapos babanatan niya
26:18.9
dahil sa show ko.
26:22.1
hindi ka patikna,
26:22.9
nasa international committee
26:26.3
Tapos yung kanyang nanay
26:28.2
women's committee,
26:31.4
pag magkamali siya ng hear it,
26:32.7
isusumbong ko siya.
26:35.6
The best ni Leloy.
26:38.1
Review of Relief.
26:39.8
Parang magandaan,
26:41.0
Thank you so much,
26:42.6
Secretary Ronald Llamas,
26:44.8
for sharing your voice.
26:45.7
I know you're tired,
26:48.2
if di tayo magdis,
26:49.1
parang therapy sa,
26:51.3
therapy sa kanya yung mga discussion namin.
26:53.2
I hope this was a therapy with you
26:56.3
things are tough.
26:58.1
all of us are dealing,
26:59.3
we're seeing so much inhumanity out there.
27:01.5
We're seeing people we respected
27:02.7
suddenly coming out
27:04.0
and being racist and weird,
27:11.1
we see eye to eye on
27:14.2
Humanity before ideology.
27:15.7
Humanity before partisanship.
27:17.2
Humanity between,
27:18.2
before nationalism.
27:20.0
that's the most important thing.
27:21.2
Maraming salamat, Ronald.
27:22.4
God bless and please,
27:24.1
regards kay Sir King,
27:25.1
malapit na kami mag-ano ni King.
27:27.0
Mag-tandemon na kami.
27:30.2
may Japanese na ngayon,
27:35.2
hindi ko nakakausap sa'yo.
27:38.3
Ang cute kid niya nga eh.
27:40.2
Ang pang-remote ako sa,
27:46.7
God bless and regards.
27:48.1
Talk to you soon.
