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Barry Gutierrez explains SC ruling on fund transfers
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00:00.0
Thank you for watching!
00:30.0
Ako okay lang ba?
00:31.3
Kasi hindi ko.
00:33.4
Although black na naman siya eh.
00:34.8
Walang kakwenta ko yun sabi niya.
00:36.0
At for ni Barry,
00:37.2
kamukha mo alaga akong tilapia.
00:39.3
Ganyan po katatalino
00:40.4
mga comment dito, no?
00:43.7
Ibahin niyo itong programa nito.
00:45.2
Talagang pinag-iisipang mabuti.
00:47.7
Ginagamitan ng utak
00:48.7
yung mga comments, no?
00:52.3
Okay.
00:52.7
Napakagandang lalaki naman
00:53.7
yung tilapia niya ngayon.
00:54.8
Hindi ba naku?
00:55.6
Oo nga.
00:56.4
Mukha-mukha-mukha artistahan
00:57.3
yung tilapia niya.
00:58.1
Tsaka mukhang matalino, no?
01:00.0
Baka yung tilapia niya,
01:02.4
ano, human rights.
01:03.0
Palagay ko,
01:03.9
mataliin yung tilapia yun.
01:05.3
Diba?
01:06.0
Oo.
01:06.6
Mukhang yung tilapia niya.
01:07.7
Nag-aral din sa UP, no?
01:09.4
Baka nga yung tilapia,
01:10.3
maaintindihan kung ano talaga yung
01:11.8
issue sa confidential funds, eh.
01:13.7
Na maaintindihan yung
01:14.5
constitutional provisions.
01:16.2
Oo.
01:16.7
Sige, shoutout natin yung tilapia
01:18.3
ni Troll
01:20.4
na Click and Record
01:21.4
ang pangalan niya, eh.
01:22.2
Click and Record.
01:23.1
Ayan.
01:23.7
Shoutout sa tilapia mong
01:24.9
napakapogi at napakatalino
01:26.5
na incidentally
01:27.8
kamukha ni Barry Gutierrez.
01:30.0
Ayos!
01:31.5
Ayos ba?
01:32.2
Ayan, ha?
01:33.3
Okay.
01:34.7
Nakalumutan ko ito, eh.
01:35.9
May pinag-uusapan natin, eh.
01:37.8
So, eto naman, oh.
01:39.5
Eh, syempre,
01:40.0
kay petitioner, I know na
01:41.1
syempre, biased kayo
01:42.1
in favor of your case, no?
01:43.6
Pero, binanggit nyo kasi
01:44.7
yung ruling ng, ano,
01:45.6
ng Supreme Court
01:46.4
doon sa DAP, no?
01:47.5
Doon po sa mga nakakaalala
01:49.1
na sabi lang sabi kayo rito
01:50.8
na dilawan yung guest natin,
01:52.1
yung DAP po,
01:53.5
panahon po nila yan, no?
01:54.8
Nung panahon ng dating, ano,
01:56.1
Aquino Administration,
01:57.3
yung Disbursement
01:58.3
Acceleration Program, no?
02:00.0
So, pagkakaalala ko,
02:01.8
diba, ang issue dyan,
02:02.7
hindi mo pwedeng ilabas,
02:04.6
diba, tapos na yung, ano,
02:05.7
yung budget,
02:06.8
hindi pwedeng may control
02:07.7
yung nasa executive,
02:08.7
for instance.
02:09.4
Tapos, teka, gusto ko
02:10.1
i-realign yan, no?
02:11.5
Tapos, pamudmud ko.
02:12.9
Okay.
02:13.7
So, paka-explain nga,
02:14.6
bakit ba gano'n na naging
02:16.4
ruling ng Supreme Court?
02:17.6
Hindi mo dapat ginagalaw yan,
02:19.4
diba?
02:21.1
Ultimately kasi,
02:22.0
babalik tayo na
02:23.1
sa ilalim ng konstitusyon,
02:24.8
ang nag-a-allocate
02:25.5
ng budget,
02:26.4
Congress.
02:27.4
So, pag napasa na yung budget,
02:28.6
hindi pwedeng pakailaman
02:29.7
ng executive yun.
02:31.2
Nasabihin nila na,
02:32.6
oh, itong pera na nandito
02:33.7
sa ganitong ahensya,
02:35.2
ilipat ko sa kabi
02:36.1
ang ibang ahensya.
02:38.0
Na yun ang nangyari sa DAP.
02:39.3
In fact, yung sa DAP,
02:40.3
parang,
02:41.0
ang pakay nila doon
02:42.7
ay may mga ahensya,
02:44.3
mabagal mag-implement
02:45.4
ng project.
02:46.5
May mga ahensya,
02:47.3
mabilis ang rollout.
02:48.7
So, sinasabi nila,
02:49.7
para maging mas efficient,
02:50.9
transfer natin yung pera
02:52.2
doon sa slow-performing
02:53.8
na agency
02:54.4
doon sa medyo
02:56.1
mas maagap, diba?
02:57.7
Mas alisto
02:59.2
sa,
02:59.5
sa,
02:59.7
sa implementation.
03:00.7
Sabi ng Supreme Court,
03:01.9
kahit maganda pa yung
03:02.8
pakay na yan,
03:04.3
hindi pwedeng gawin niya.
03:05.9
Kasi,
03:06.5
klaro sa ating konstitusyon,
03:08.0
Congress dapat
03:08.7
ang nag-allocate.
03:10.0
Hindi nyo pwedeng pakailaman.
03:11.5
Ang exception lang ay,
03:13.0
kung merong kayong savings,
03:14.8
merong natipid
03:15.7
na pera,
03:17.0
pwede nyo gamitin
03:18.1
para ilipat
03:19.2
at idagdag
03:20.2
doon sa mga existing din
03:22.1
na mga programa
03:23.1
na inalat
03:24.5
ng Congress.
03:25.8
Hindi ka pwede
03:26.1
mag-invento ng bago,
03:27.3
hindi ka pwede
03:28.1
mag-create
03:28.7
ng bagong programa,
03:29.7
pero kung meron kang naipon,
03:31.5
dahil,
03:32.5
bawa,
03:32.9
yung 200 million na proyekto
03:34.5
na natapos nyo,
03:35.6
ginasto siya,
03:36.2
150 lang.
03:37.5
Meron kang 50 million
03:38.5
na savings,
03:39.4
yung 50,
03:40.0
pwede mong idagdag
03:41.0
doon sa mga ibang programa
03:42.7
na allocated din
03:44.1
at alati din
03:44.9
sa ilalim
03:45.5
ng General Appropriations Act.
03:47.4
So,
03:47.8
yun yung clarification
03:48.4
na binigay ng Supreme Court
03:50.0
sa DAP.
03:50.9
So,
03:51.5
kaya na sabi ko,
03:52.4
klarong-klaro na,
03:53.6
very, very clear
03:54.6
yung rules
03:55.4
na ang executive
03:56.6
hindi pwedeng
03:57.5
after the budget
03:58.8
has been enacted,
03:59.7
e papakailaban yan
04:01.3
at basta-basta
04:01.8
nalang maglilipat.
04:03.2
Limited na lang
04:04.2
yung kanyang kapangyarihan
04:05.5
na maglipat
04:06.5
at batay lang ito
04:07.6
kung merong natipid,
04:09.0
merong savings,
04:10.2
at ililipat mo lang
04:11.2
sa existing item
04:12.4
of allocation.
04:13.4
Pero,
04:14.2
ito nga sa kasong ito,
04:16.1
wala nga existing item
04:17.3
of allocation.
04:18.1
So,
04:18.8
walang confidential funds.
04:20.5
So,
04:20.6
hindi pwede dapat.
04:21.4
Claro.
04:22.5
Yun yung sinasabi namin.
04:24.8
Tsaka ano rin yan,
04:25.8
diba,
04:26.0
syempre,
04:26.6
kaugnay din yan
04:27.8
doon sa system
04:28.9
ng checks and balance.
04:29.7
Na hindi mo naman pwedeng
04:32.0
masyadong bigyan
04:33.4
ng matinding kapangyarihan
04:34.8
yung executive
04:35.8
para
04:37.2
i-mekos-mekos
04:38.4
yung budget
04:39.9
after i-approve
04:40.9
ng kongres.
04:42.7
Kasi nga,
04:43.2
alalahanin natin,
04:44.3
in theory,
04:45.3
habang ginagawa
04:46.4
ng kongres yung budget,
04:47.4
nagkakaroon ng consultation
04:48.2
yan eh.
04:49.4
Diba?
04:50.1
Kaya,
04:50.7
in theory,
04:51.4
yung mga tao
04:52.4
na gusto mag-participate,
04:54.3
pwedeng mag-participate.
04:55.6
Doon sa budget process,
04:57.2
transparent dapat,
04:58.4
public yung mga hearings,
04:59.4
pwede kayong manood,
05:00.7
alam nyo
05:01.2
kung paano yung naging
05:02.4
decision-making process.
05:03.8
Kaya,
05:04.5
kaya importante,
05:05.6
diba,
05:05.9
na nandun yun.
05:06.7
Diba,
05:07.6
claro,
05:08.1
sa dulo,
05:09.5
nakasaad
05:10.1
sa batas.
05:11.4
Dito lang pupunta yan.
05:12.7
Ganito kalaki,
05:13.4
pupunta sa ganito klaseng programa.
05:15.0
Ganito kalaki,
05:15.8
pupunta sa ganito klaseng ahensya.
05:17.4
So,
05:18.1
transparent.
05:19.1
Pero kung aalaw mo yung executive
05:20.5
na maglipat-lipat yun,
05:21.9
edi,
05:22.7
wala na.
05:23.2
Hindi mo na alam
05:23.8
sa nasaan yung pera.
05:25.2
Hindi mo na alam
05:25.8
kung bakit doon nilagay.
05:26.8
Kasi,
05:27.2
hindi na-involve yung taong bayan doon.
05:29.4
Hindi nila kailangan
05:30.9
i-publicize yun.
05:32.5
So,
05:33.3
yun yung,
05:33.7
yun yung danger
05:35.3
na iniiwasan natin dito.
05:37.5
At kaya,
05:38.2
meron tayong ganong klaseng patakaran
05:39.7
sa ating konstitusyon.
05:42.2
Okay.
05:42.7
Ito pala isang tanong, no?
05:43.7
Baka naman pinag-iinitan nyo lang
05:45.1
sa dami na sinabi nyo.
05:46.6
E,
05:46.7
pinag-iinitan nyo lang
05:47.6
yung vice president.
05:48.7
Anong sagot nyo doon?
05:50.8
Eh,
05:52.1
sa naman
05:52.4
nagsimulaan nito, eh.
05:54.0
Diba?
05:54.2
Hindi ito toko sa kanya.
05:55.7
Hindi ito toko sa
05:56.4
sino mang tao.
05:57.2
Kaya nga doon sa mga
05:58.3
respondents doon sa
05:59.5
petisyon,
06:00.5
opisine.
06:01.5
Office of the Vice President,
06:02.9
Office of the Executive Secretary,
06:04.5
Department of Budget and Management.
06:06.4
Nagkataon,
06:07.2
siyempre,
06:08.0
ang kumakatawan
06:09.2
doon sa mga opisinen to,
06:10.4
yung head of office.
06:11.6
At sa aming pagkaalala,
06:13.2
sa aming pagkaalam,
06:14.6
siya ang head
06:15.2
ng OVP.
06:16.8
Sila yung gumawa
06:17.5
ng request,
06:18.6
sila yung
06:19.2
pinagbabaan
06:20.4
ng pera,
06:21.2
sila ang gumasas
06:22.0
ng pera.
06:22.6
So,
06:23.1
kung kukwestiyonin mo
06:24.4
yung constitutionality,
06:25.5
diba?
06:26.1
Titingnan mo,
06:26.7
hinihingin mo
06:28.2
na ang Korte Suprema
06:29.3
ay magkaroon ng
06:30.2
malinaw na deklarasyon
06:31.3
na hindi tama,
06:32.7
hindi nasunod
06:33.6
yung mga patakaran-patakaran
06:35.8
dito sa isyong ito,
06:37.3
eh,
06:37.6
sino pa yung mananagot?
06:38.9
Eh, siya yun eh.
06:39.5
Hindi naman ibang tao yun eh.
06:40.8
Diba?
06:41.4
Kung ayaw niyang
06:43.4
na-involve sana dito,
06:44.9
eh, di sana
06:45.2
hindi na lang siya humingi
06:46.2
ng confidential funds.
06:47.4
Pero,
06:47.8
nangyari na eh.
06:49.4
Ano bang pakialam niya eh
06:50.5
kung gusto niya?
06:53.7
Gusto eh.
06:55.4
Meron daw paggagamit.
06:56.7
Ano eh, no?
06:57.5
Curious talaga ako
06:58.3
buhay na buhay yung mga trolls
06:59.3
ngayon.
06:59.6
Ang dami eh, talaga.
07:01.5
Laki ng budget nyo ah.
07:03.3
Ang sagana kayo ah.
07:05.5
Buhay na buhay oh.
07:06.7
Okay.
07:07.4
Anyway,
07:07.8
ito pala,
07:08.3
sino-sino pa yung
07:09.0
ibang petitioner sa kasama nyo, no?
07:10.8
Eleven kayo, no?
07:11.9
Sino-sino,
07:12.5
tsaka paano kayo nabuo?
07:15.3
Ah, una,
07:16.2
si dating
07:17.4
Komilek chairman
07:18.2
Christian Munzod.
07:20.0
Siya actually yung
07:20.5
lead petitioner.
07:21.5
Kasama din yung kanyang
07:22.6
anak,
07:23.0
si Torney
07:24.2
Reina Munzod.
07:26.1
Kasama,
07:26.7
si dating
07:27.1
Komilek commissioner
07:28.0
Gas Lagman.
07:29.8
Kasama din si dating
07:30.7
undersecretary
07:31.6
na naging guest mo na rin.
07:32.9
Ah,
07:33.2
professor ngayon sa UP,
07:34.2
si Dr. Chelo Magno.
07:35.8
Ah,
07:36.3
sino pa ba?
07:37.1
Ah,
07:37.3
si R.P. Santiago.
07:38.4
Ah,
07:38.9
petitioner siya.
07:39.9
Siya rin yung
07:40.4
lead counsel sa kasong ito.
07:42.4
Head ng
07:42.7
Ateneo Human Rights
07:43.9
Center.
07:45.4
Si
07:45.7
Miss Melly Nicolás.
07:47.5
Si
07:47.7
Mr. Onorio Poblador.
07:50.2
Si
07:50.4
Mr. Enteng Romano
07:51.8
na siya yung
07:52.3
nag-host kanina
07:53.5
dun sa press conference.
07:55.0
Si
07:55.2
Mr. Rex Drilon
07:56.2
at si
07:56.6
Mr. Miguel
07:57.6
Hugo.
07:58.5
Yun,
07:58.9
yun yung 11.
08:00.0
Paano kami nagkasama?
08:01.4
Actually,
08:02.0
ano lang,
08:03.7
usap-usap lang muna
08:04.8
on an individual level.
08:05.9
Kasi nung pumutok
08:06.5
tong issue nito,
08:07.5
ano ba,
08:07.8
two months,
08:08.4
three months ago,
08:09.6
madami sa amin
08:10.3
nagsimulaan ng magsalita
08:11.5
tungkol dito.
08:12.6
Ah,
08:13.0
pointing out yung
08:14.2
ah,
08:15.3
legal basis,
08:16.6
yung constitutional issues
08:17.8
na,
08:18.1
na involved.
08:19.4
Ah,
08:19.9
at lahat kami,
08:20.8
tingin namin na
08:21.6
importante.
08:22.9
At ganyan ang binagay ko kanina,
08:25.2
hero,
08:25.6
pero hindi rin
08:26.5
biro,
08:27.6
madaming,
08:28.4
malamang,
08:29.0
madalas,
08:29.6
magtinotrol ka,
08:30.3
nasabihin sa'yo,
08:30.9
eh,
08:31.1
kung ang talino mo,
08:31.8
magpile kayo ng kaso.
08:33.3
Diba?
08:33.6
Kung naniniwala kayo
08:35.1
sa sinasabi nyo
08:35.8
na magpile kayo ng kaso,
08:37.1
eh,
08:37.2
usap-usap kami,
08:38.2
napagkasunduan.
08:39.1
Oo nga,
08:39.5
bakit nga ba hindi?
08:40.4
Diba?
08:41.0
Sa dulo,
08:41.8
kung talagang tingin natin
08:43.1
importante na
08:44.4
gumuhit
08:45.7
dito sa issue nito,
08:46.9
ah,
08:47.3
i-enforce natin
08:48.4
yung sinasabi talaga
08:49.9
ng konstitusyon,
08:51.0
magkaroon ng
08:51.6
malinaw na pananagutan
08:53.1
ang ating mga public officials
08:54.6
para maiwasan
08:55.6
ang abuso
08:56.5
ah,
08:57.4
ng pondo ng taong bayan,
08:59.3
eh di,
08:59.8
i-file natin yung,
09:00.7
yung kaso.
09:01.3
So,
09:01.6
doon nagsimula.
09:02.2
At,
09:02.5
ah,
09:03.0
natutuwa naman ako na
09:04.2
yung Ateneo Human Rights Center
09:05.6
through si Atty. Arpi,
09:07.2
sila yung,
09:07.8
basically,
09:08.2
nag-volunteer
09:09.0
to, ah,
09:09.4
to take the lead.
09:10.5
So,
09:10.6
sila yung, ah,
09:11.2
tumira nung,
09:12.0
nung initial drafts dito.
09:13.7
Sila ang nag-a-appear
09:14.6
as Council of Record.
09:16.2
So,
09:16.7
kumbaga,
09:17.6
yun talaga yung,
09:18.3
nag-ano eh,
09:18.6
yun yung nagbigay ng,
09:19.8
ah,
09:20.9
klarong direksyon,
09:22.2
ah,
09:22.4
doon sa usapan
09:23.1
dahil meron nang,
09:24.1
ah,
09:24.3
talagang,
09:24.7
ah,
09:25.1
gagawa nung,
09:25.8
ah,
09:26.0
nung petition.
09:26.6
At,
09:26.7
yun,
09:27.0
na,
09:27.1
na,
09:27.3
na,
09:27.4
na,
09:27.6
na,
09:27.6
na,
09:27.6
na,
09:27.7
na,
09:27.7
na,
09:27.8
na,
09:27.8
na,
09:27.9
na,
09:27.9
na,
09:27.9
na,
09:28.0
na,
09:28.1
na,
09:28.2
na,
09:28.7
ito yung naging bunga
09:30.1
nung,
09:30.3
ah,
09:30.5
nung mga usapan
09:31.2
over the past,
09:32.0
ah,
09:32.2
few weeks.