00:47.0
Paano ba namin babalatan ito? Pabago-bago.
00:52.0
Kala nila mga politiko lang ang butterfly ha.
00:54.9
Ba't kita yung mga analyst, ano dahil siya?
01:00.0
Mga ka-Messie Jan, mga ka-Florida.
01:04.1
Isa sa akin lang ha. Paano nila kayo babalatan kung busy sila na binabalatan yung isa't isa?
01:12.1
May bumabalat pa rin eh. May bumabalat kay Tulpo. May bumabalat kay Risa.
01:18.0
May bumabalat dun sa Richard. Kasi yung Richard lumilipat sa akin eh.
01:23.1
Ayaw kumakal. Ulan ako po.
01:24.9
Ako pa rin sinisising.
01:27.4
Baka kay Christian Esguero yan.
01:32.2
Hindi, yun. Talagang dati pang binabalatan yun. Talagang kwan yun eh.
01:36.6
Sir Ronald, balita ko. Galit si Rafi sa'yo ah. Hindi lang si Robin Hood.
01:40.7
Yung mga patama mo dyan.
01:44.3
Nakita mo yun? Ano? Mark, yung interview ni Rafi Alunan with ano?
01:49.4
Ipigan ko yun. Akala ko yun. Rafi Tulpo.
01:52.3
Hindi, hindi. Rafi Tulpo. Rafi Alunan. Di ba? Rafi Tulpo.
01:55.2
Yung medyo galit sa akin yan. Medyo galit sa akin.
01:57.5
Kasi hindi daw siya DDS.
02:00.0
Hindi natin sabihin yan. Okay.
02:02.0
Eto na. Let's get the ball rolling.
02:03.5
So, actually, I'm thankful to, hindi Marcos, Mark Gamboa.
02:09.9
For essentially saying this.
02:12.0
Are we confident to say na, eto na, this is officially over na etong unit team na to.
02:18.9
Or, baka because Sarah kind of raised the white flag, di ba, ang bayit niya sa mga interventions na ngayon,
02:24.8
i-withdraw na daw niya yung confidential fund request.
02:27.7
Baka naman, you know, the one side of the ruling faction,
02:30.0
we'll say, okay, we won this round.
02:32.1
Okay na. Now, we can patch it up and work on new terms of reference. Di ba?
02:37.0
What's going on here, Sir Ronald?
02:38.5
And then, Mark, we'll go back to you since you really got the ball rolling.
02:42.9
Well, it was a graceful exit.
02:44.6
Dahil alam naman ni Sarah na matatalo siya sa Senate, Budgeteering, at saka sa BICAM.
02:51.1
So, para hindi na siya mapahiya, nag-cut na siya ng kanyang losses.
02:56.7
Actually, bilanggit ko yan ang manta ko.
02:59.4
Kung gusto ni Sarah baguhin yung kanyang narrative,
03:02.8
bitawan na niya yung confidential at saka intelligence fund issue,
03:07.6
at siya na mismo mag-volunteer na ibigay yan sa Coast Guard.
03:11.5
Which is very popular.
03:13.4
Pero hindi niya ginawa.
03:14.8
So, ginawa niya ngayon, medyo too late.
03:18.3
Medyo too late to change the narrative.
03:20.9
Dahil nagmarka na yung narrative na ayaw niyang bitawan yung confidential at saka intelligence fund.
03:26.2
At ngayon, bitawan lang niya dahil matatalo na.
03:29.4
So, I doubt kung mayroon siyang positive impact sa kanyang narrative.
03:35.3
Lalo na, yung kanyang mga defender, medyo kinisikis na maigi yung confidential fund.
03:42.8
Imbilis na gamitin niya in 11 days, kailangan sana inubos niya in 1 day.
03:47.7
Sabi naman ni Harry Roque,
03:50.2
E, mga ipokrita yung Congress.
03:53.1
Sila yung maraming intelligence at saka extraordinary funds.
03:56.8
So, pinasa niya sa iba.
03:59.4
At si Digong naman, ito yung pinakamatindi.
04:02.2
Inamin niya na dapat ang intelligence fund gamitin para sa extrajudicial killings.
04:08.0
At sabi na niya, dapat itong intelligence fund ni Sarah ginamit para patayin si Congresswoman Castro.
04:17.2
Pero mong sinabi niya in public.
04:19.3
Tapos sinabi rin niya na itong intelligence at saka confidential funds ay ginamit para sa ROTC field trips at saka seminars.
04:29.4
So, kung ganyan ang mga defenders mo,
04:32.9
mag-cut clean ka na.
04:36.5
Huwag mo na ipaglaban.
04:37.8
Kung di, malulubog ka lang sa Kumunoy.
04:39.8
Pero I doubt kung siya ay nasagip sa Kumunoy.
04:43.6
Tingin ko lumubog na.
04:45.6
Kaya kung ginawa niya yan a month earlier,
04:49.2
baka sakaling nabago yung narrative.
04:53.5
May tanong po ako.
04:54.5
Ito bang pagpigil dito sa confidential funds ni Sarah?
04:59.4
Tingin nyo, may halo ba itong gumante dahil dun sa mga tambalos-los na comments?
05:05.3
Or dahil unpopular siya sa public?
05:08.5
Or tingin nyo, bakit nagkaroon ng...
05:11.0
Kasi pang merong mga willing makipaglaban for Sarah sa Congress kakasi Senate.
05:15.3
Pero na-overpower sila nitong sila Speaker Martin.
05:18.8
Tingin nyo, anong motivation para pigilan yung confidential funds?
05:23.7
Tingin ko, Mark, all of the above.
05:26.5
Ang tingin na kay Sarah, this early.
05:29.4
Naga yung bakbakan because of tambalos-los eh.
05:33.2
Dapat siya after the midterms eh.
05:35.1
Eh nangyari, five years earlier.
05:37.9
Yun yung nakakagulat dito.
05:41.1
Ikalawa pa ay naging unpopular na, masyadong negative na yung confidential funds.
05:47.1
Na demonized na ng gusto.
05:48.8
At naging very popular yung paglilipatan.
05:52.5
Yung frontliners sa West Philippine Sea like the Coast Guards.
05:56.2
At ikatlo, yung mga supporters.
05:59.4
Yung mga supporters niya, naubos sa House.
06:02.4
Sa Senate, sinubukang tumalag.
06:05.0
Pero eventually, na-overpower nung majority.
06:09.0
Kaya sinasabi ko, yung tatlo mong sinabi, all of the above.
06:13.3
Yun yung dahilan sa nangyari.
06:15.9
O nga pala, pasensya.
06:17.1
Medyo namamagay ang ngipin.
06:18.4
Kaya iba yung boses ko.
06:19.4
Oo, ako na lang magdal-dal.
06:20.6
Sorry, actually, Rona.
06:21.5
I wanted to listen to two of you.
06:24.2
Alam ko, medyo...
06:25.7
I mean, I'll come into this.
06:26.8
So, ako naman, I have my counter-argument to that.
06:29.4
I'm not counter-argument.
06:30.3
But just, you know, to play devil's advocate.
06:32.4
I mean, still, Sarah Duterte is considered as a front-runner for 2028.
06:36.3
Her approval rating is higher than any out there.
06:40.1
The Dutertes still have this mean influence big time.
06:43.5
I think Mark Gambo has correctly emphasized that all the time.
06:46.5
And then, they have a superpower backer.
06:48.5
I mean, no need to point out sino yan.
06:51.1
So, you know, when you put it that way,
06:53.0
wala pa bargaining chip leverage pa rin si Sarah to kind of come in and say,
06:57.7
Okay, okay, okay.
07:04.1
And try to patch it up and accept a secondary position talaga internally.
07:09.6
Tanggap na namin, mga Dutertes, hindi na kami yung mga primos inter pares.
07:14.6
But kind of find the cold peace, if I can put that term.
07:19.0
I'm using a geopolitical term.
07:20.7
Cold peace within the UNITIM.
07:22.9
So, that's still there.
07:25.6
That's possible and feasible.
07:32.1
O, kasi small R lang.
07:35.1
Pero yung mga nangyari na nakaraan ay medyo pinipigilan yan.
07:40.6
Yung babawiin yung tambalus loss.
07:47.0
Ikalawa, paano mo babawiin yung pagkawala ng hundreds of millions
07:50.8
ng iyong intelligence at saka confidential fund?
07:53.8
Ikatlo, paano mo babawiin yung pagkatanggal kay GMA?
07:56.9
Not only as senior deputy speaker, kundi as deputy speaker per se.
08:04.2
At yung ipinalit sa kanya, yung kanyang inaanak na panilag niya,
08:08.5
parang very junior niyang kaibigan before.
08:11.9
At panghuli, itong kay Browner.
08:15.1
Itong kay Browner.
08:16.8
No less than the chief of staff is talking about a plot to destabilize,
08:21.6
to bring down the government through a cool data.
08:25.2
Even binakpedal nila yan.
08:26.9
The dialogue was cast eh.
08:29.8
Lalo na, inamin naman ni Digong na wala akong involvement sa destabilization.
08:35.4
Nagtatawag lang ako ng tax boycott, which is seditious.
08:39.7
At gusto ko lamang pag-usapan publicly yung cool data.
08:45.2
Ang ginagawa ko lang naman, kinakausap ko yung mga ex-military officers.
08:50.9
So inamin naman niya in so many words na meron siyang ginagawa in relation sa destab,
08:56.9
at saka sa coup, possibly.
09:00.6
Pero may hinihintay ako in the near future.
09:04.3
Una, ibe-bail ba si Laila?
09:08.5
Bibigyan ba ng bail in the next few weeks?
09:11.2
Or the earliest Monday?
09:13.8
Kung nangyari yan, then alam mo na na wala na silang pakialam sa iisipin ng mga Duterte.
09:20.7
Ikalawa, ma-appoint ba si Trillanes sa government?
09:24.2
At panghuli, ito.
09:26.9
Ito yung nga game changer.
09:28.9
Papapasukin ba ang ICC next year?
09:31.9
So itong patlo, hinihintay ko.
09:33.9
Ronald, I wanna ask also a question with Mark on this.
09:39.9
For me kasi, I see Sara raising the white flag.
09:43.9
I see Gloria Macapagal-Arroy saying,
09:45.9
no, no, no, I'm still loyal to Martin Romaldes.
09:47.9
Parang I'm seeing efforts by them to,
09:49.9
I cannot use the word touch up, pero damage control.
09:52.9
I mean, hold this by a thin thread.
09:54.9
But you're absolutely right na,
09:56.9
pag pumasok na yung ICC issue and the Leyla freedom issue,
10:01.9
That will sever the last thin thread holding them together.
10:04.9
Pero habang nagpapahinga ka pa dito sa ngipin mo, Ronald,
10:07.9
magpapahinga natin si Mark.
10:10.9
Tsaka Mark, kamusta yung bloggers war?
10:13.9
Because we know na nami-mirror ng blogosphere
10:17.9
ang itong actual political games.
10:20.9
And sometimes, itong intramurals na yan ay mutually constitutive.
10:23.9
In a sense, minsan yung mga bloggers pa yung nagpapaaway
10:27.9
Anong basa mo dyan, Mark?
10:29.9
Yun. So, nung huling pag-check ko sa mga vloggers ngayon,
10:33.9
yung mga DDS, yung mga...
10:37.9
Actually, yung mga supporters eh.
10:38.9
Yung mga supporters ni Aimee,
10:40.9
supporters ng DDS,
10:42.9
supporters ni Sara.
10:44.9
Yung mga DDS na...
10:46.9
Yung iba nagsupport, yung iba hindi nagsupport kay Marcos nung election.
10:50.9
Pareho sila ng direction ngayon.
10:52.9
Pareho sila ng tema ngayon.
10:55.9
Ang hirit ngayon lahat na kay Speaker Romualdez.
10:59.9
Kumaga, wala nang ano.
11:00.9
Wala nang, wala nang...
11:01.9
The gloves are off na.
11:04.9
Meron yung picture yung sa Yolanda, diba?
11:09.9
They're trying to make the comparison na
11:11.9
si Romualdez is parang si Marrojas
11:15.9
na yung sa Yolanda parang...
11:21.9
So, may mga ganong mga comparisons na,
11:23.9
may mga ganong mga hirit na.
11:25.9
So, lahat sila...
11:27.9
Kumaga, ano na, bastusan na talaga.
11:30.9
Lahat sila talagang hirit na kay Romualdez.
11:33.9
So, lines have been crossed, Mark?
11:35.9
Dun sa stratosphere?
11:37.9
Mukhang hindi na...
11:39.9
Yes, mukhang hindi na...
11:41.9
There's no stepping back from that na.
11:43.9
Mukhang very clear na yung lines.
11:45.9
It's Sara, GMA, IME, TRRD on one side,
11:50.9
at yung sa kabila, si Martin Romualdez.
11:52.9
Kung kulang na lang na hirita nila si PDBM,
11:56.9
parang itong si Mahalika,
11:58.9
pero, kumbaga, papalapit na nang papalapit.
12:01.9
Kasi na kay Romualdez na sila eh.
12:03.9
Kumbaga, grabe na yung tira nila kay Romualdez.
12:06.9
Wala nang preno eh.
12:09.9
Talagang inaatake na eh.
12:10.9
Mukhang doon papuntay.
12:12.9
Parang warning din siguro,
12:14.9
na pag ginawa yung mga ICC na yan,
12:17.9
yung mga ano na yan,
12:18.9
will be coming next for PDBM.
12:21.9
Parang ganun yung nagiging mga warning shots na ngayon.
12:25.9
At yun namang pang...
12:27.9
Tama si Martin, Richard.
12:29.9
Halimbawa, dalawang key blogger, si Banat Bay,
12:35.9
several times this past few weeks,
12:37.9
nagtatawag na siya ng people power.
12:39.9
People power na yung tinatawag niya.
12:41.9
Tapos si Mahalika, a couple of times,
12:43.9
nagsabi na siya...
12:45.9
Mahalika nagsabi a couple of times,
12:48.9
bilang na ang oras ni PDBM.
12:50.9
Dahil merong imminent coup d'état.
12:53.9
Sinabi niya yan, twice.
12:56.9
Ikaw kasi hindi mo binabasa, hindi mo pinapakinggan si Mahalika eh.
12:59.9
Alam mo ba ba't ako nag-wow Ronald?
13:01.9
Hindi ako nag-wow doon sa coup d'état.
13:03.9
Nag-wow ako na nakikinig ka kay Mahalika.
13:05.9
I started covering Mahalika doon sa issue na ito last year.
13:10.9
Mga October last year.
13:12.9
Average na nanonood sa kanya per video
13:15.9
is around mga 20,000, 25,000.
13:18.9
So maingay siya noon kasi nakakagulat.
13:21.9
Pero hindi ganun kadami pumapansin.
13:23.9
If you check her YouTube,
13:25.9
yes, nasa around 80,000 to 100,000 na per video yung umano.
13:30.9
Ibig sabihin, it's gaining steam, it's gaining ground.
13:33.9
At karamihan nung nanonood doon,
13:37.9
Siyempre naniniwala doon sa mga sinasabing niya.
13:40.9
Lahat nung mga hinihiritan eh.
13:43.9
Yung mga cabinet appointees na...
13:46.9
Mabaho daw ng mga cabinet appointees.
13:48.9
Yung mga ginagawa behind the scenes sa Malacanang.
13:51.9
Of course, yung mga tinira pa rin kay First Lady,
13:54.9
kay Speaker Romualdez.
13:58.9
And she's trying to say na PDBM is weak in handling all of this.
14:04.9
Wala siyang magawa doon sa mga nangyayaring mga...
14:07.9
Pagpapawag na sa kanya, puting.
14:11.9
Yung isa naman, tawag ahas.
14:13.9
Ito po siya natin.
14:15.9
Thanks, Mark, for that.
14:17.9
Babalikan kita, Mark, on that.
14:18.9
Kasi I like this, ano eh, how you compliment each other.
14:21.9
Kasi mahalaga yung bloggers sa politika natin.
14:24.9
That's what we learned over the past five, six years.
14:26.9
Kaya nga nagboblog na rin tayo, diba?
14:28.9
Because this is really one vector of power and influence.
14:30.9
Aminin natin yan.
14:31.9
It's not like before na columnist and TV people,
14:35.9
which I still am, right?
14:36.9
Hindi na eh. Wala na yung monopoly niya.
14:38.9
Now, let's go back to this, Boss Ronaldo.
14:43.9
Where is BBM in this?
14:45.9
I mean, all of this, and to what degree this is also about
14:47.9
Martin Romualdez wanting to really run for the presidency at all cost.
14:51.9
Kasi, I mean, hindi naman mutual exclusive yan eh.
14:54.9
I know many things are happening.
14:55.9
But if really Martin wants to run for the president,
14:58.9
there's no way na Sarah can still be in the competitive field down the road.
15:02.9
So ngayon pala all in na.
15:04.9
At the same time, what's up with BBM?
15:06.9
I mean, like, is BBM a kind of a passive...
15:10.9
Alam mo yun, parang is this a tail wagging the dog situation?
15:14.9
Or is this like BBM kunyari above the fray,
15:17.9
but actually there's a marching command na?
15:20.9
What's going on here? Anong speculation natin?
15:22.9
Alam naman natin na big R, no?
15:25.9
Na si BBM is conflict-averse.
15:29.9
At alam naman natin na ang gusto niya mga trips-trips, no?
15:32.9
Pero I'm going to bet, at the minimum,
15:35.9
at the minimum, alam niya yung lahat na nangyayari.
15:38.9
At meron siyang blessing.
15:40.9
Halimbawa, nung...
15:43.9
...as senior deputy speaker,
15:46.9
yung kanyang tinatawag na secret weapon,
15:49.9
hindi yan kayang gawin ang kanyang pinsan,
15:52.9
kahit speaker siya,
15:53.9
nang walang paalam sa presidente.
15:56.9
Nung tinanggal yung hundreds of millions
16:00.9
at confidential and intelligence fund,
16:02.9
hindi yan pwedeng gawin sa vice president
16:06.9
na at the minimum hindi alam ng presidente
16:09.9
at wala siyang blessing.
16:11.9
Itong pagbabago ng DOJ sa kanyang posisyon,
16:14.9
na dati totally sarado sa pagpasok ng ICC,
16:18.9
at ngayon ay pinag-aaralan, no?
16:21.9
At ang tingin ko hindi lang pinag-aaralan.
16:23.9
Mukhang may desisyon na, no?
16:25.9
I'm willing to bet on that.
16:27.9
Pag lumabas yung international,
16:29.9
ito at the very minimum may blessing na.
16:31.9
So kahit hindi niya ipinapakita na siya ay protagonist dito sa mga bakbaka na ito,
16:39.9
I'm almost sure alam niya at saka may blessing niya, no?
16:44.9
Itong mga pangyayari.
16:46.9
Although may maintain niya yung statesman-like attitude na above the fray, no?
16:51.9
Ang aking mga marites sa loob, no?
16:57.9
Ay at the minimum, no?
16:59.9
At the minimum alam niya at meron siyang blessing.
17:02.9
Lalo na itong napaka-fundamental issue ng International Criminal Court.
17:08.9
Sabi ng Vera Files, hindi lang si Digong ang kasama sa kaso sa ICC, pati yung anak.
17:16.9
So very konto, ha? Game changer, very fundamental.
17:20.9
At ito ay isang issue na at the very least ay alam at may blessing ng Presidente.
17:27.9
Mark, once again.
17:29.9
Ito po yung ito yung tanong ko. I want to ask this question din.
17:32.9
What is the endgame? Ano ang pinaka-goal dito?
17:36.9
Una ni Speaker Romualde.
17:38.9
At pangalawa, si PBBM.
17:41.9
Kasi minsan, tingin ko kay PBBM, gusto na lang niyang tapusin.
17:44.9
Gusto na lang niyang matapos na hindi siya natatanggal.
17:47.9
Gusto na lang niyang, di ba, yung anak niya nakaset na in place.
17:51.9
Pero what is the end goal here for the Romualdes and for PBBM?
17:56.9
Tingin ko na-realize nung mga people around PBBM at saka yung majority ng kanyang pamilya
18:03.9
na nasa atin na yung poder. Bakit ibibigay pa sa iba?
18:06.9
Baka hindi na isole. Ano ganun yung arrangement last election? May successor?
18:12.9
Mukhang yun ngayon ay binabago.
18:15.9
Ikalawa, no? Ikalawa, ay ang tingin ko yung destabilization na binanggit ni Speaker Martin
18:25.9
at nung kanyang mga kaaliyado nitong tinanggal si GMA as senior deputy speaker.
18:33.9
Meron pa nyon. Merong basihan.
18:35.9
Ang alam ko nga, merong kasulatan eh, yung plot na yan eh.
18:39.9
So hindi lang yan against the speaker. It's how to use the speakership, no?
18:45.9
To pressure or hawakan yung presidente.
18:48.9
So ibig sabihin, alam nung mga Marcoses na merong plot na nangyayari.
18:54.9
Kaya nga ganyan yung kanilang reaction. Kaya ganun din yung counter-reaction.
18:59.9
Tambaluslos, for lack of a better term, no?
19:02.9
Ibig sabihin, at that time, the lines were already drawn.
19:05.9
The lines were already drawn.
19:07.9
Tapos, at ikatlo, itong nakikita nating nag-unfold ay yung window dyan for the Marcoses ay between now and the midterm.
19:21.9
Dahil if they cannot destroy or if they cannot contain Sara Duterte sa one and a half to two years ngayon,
19:33.9
after the midterms, delikado sila.
19:37.9
Dahil ngayon hanggang midterms, very powerful ang incumbent.
19:40.9
So habang powerful sila, gawin na nilang lahat para matanggal yung kanilang rival, which is Sara.
19:47.9
Kung hindi nila magagawa yan, yung mga umalis kay Sara ngayon, after ng midterms, baka magbalikan.
19:54.9
Dahil 2028 na yan eh. Yan yung cynical politics eh. Ang problema, yan yung reality.
20:03.9
Kaya the window for them to contain or even destroy Sara is one and a half years, going into the midterms.
20:14.9
After the midterms, then all the bets are off. Yan yung mangyayari.
20:19.9
So parang ngayon they are playing both defense, kasi para hindi matanggal si PDBM sa pwesto,
20:25.9
merong mga distab, and at the same time, kung makakalusot, eh opensa na rin para ma-maintain natin after 2028.
20:32.9
After 2028 yung kapangyarihan.
20:34.9
Yes, yes. Look Mark, lalo na, big R. Kung papapasukin yung ICC, kung tinanggal na si GMA as deputy speaker, kinisikis pa sa mukha niya, inaanak na yung pinalit sa kanya eh.
20:48.9
Kung tinanggal na yung ginagamit, possibly sa machinery, yung hundreds of millions, yan yung pangmakinary eh, going into midterms saka 2028.
21:00.9
Kung malinaw na na ang backer nila is a superpower, nasa kanila lang ang taya. Ano na yung option ng mga Duterte?
21:11.9
Impeachment is out of the question. A people power is improbable. A coup is improbable dahil kailangan mo ng tao within the chain of command.
21:24.9
So you're becoming desperate. Yun yung basihan nitong sinabi ni Brownell.
21:30.9
Destabilization and coup.
21:32.9
But because the options, mag-migrate sa China? Diba? Parang gabi sila wholeheartedly. Pero madadala ba nila yung kanilang resources? Madadala ba nila yung kanilang political capital? I doubt it.
21:46.9
Even if that is an option, I doubt it kung yan ay kukunin nila. So yan yung nagiging batayan nitong mga destabilization, rebellion, coup d'etat, rumor.
21:59.9
That, I think is not insignificant.
22:06.9
Ang tinitit ko kahit kapano may basihan.
22:07.9
Ito naman din ang tinit ko.
22:10.9
With all that happening with ICC and all that
22:14.9
Ang tingin ko parin in the fair elections in 2028,
22:18.9
walang kayang itapat yung admin dito sa Sanae.
22:22.9
Pero siyempre malayo pa yan. Marami pang pwedeng mangyari.
22:26.9
Pero ang tanong ko,
22:27.9
How about yung charter change? Is that still an option now? Meron bang gano'n para hindi na presidential elections, prime minister na come 2028, meron bang gano'n na in play ngayon possibly?
22:38.9
I mean, Martin as a prime minister, even Martin as a prime minister potentially.
22:44.2
You can beat Sara. Kasi in an election, presidential election, anong hirap talunin? Lalo na kung feel ng tao, yung simpatya. Kinakakawawa itong sila Duterte, ginaganyan.
22:55.2
Dapat kung gusto nila ng charter change, dapat nagawa yan during the first year. Ngayon, papunta na ng midterm. Tapos may bago kang Senado sa midterm na hindi naman papayag na ma-dissolve ang Senate for charter change.
23:10.1
Kaya lumalabo. The possibility is still there pero sobrang paliit na ng paliit. Yung sinabi mo naman na kung mag-survive si Sara, kung hindi siya makuha ng ICC, kung hindi siya gumuho at mag-survive siya after the midterm,
23:25.2
pwedeng may itapat sa kanya. Dahil meron kang Rafi Tulfo eh.
23:30.2
We'll discuss in the next episode, right? So I mean, we have a different episode.
23:36.9
Hindi ganun kalayo. Tapos meron kang magalong na nagsisimulang iproject yung sarili niya, etc.
23:42.9
So we can discuss.
23:44.6
Hindi etch in stone yung kesara. Hindi etch in stone. Dahil sabi mo ah, Mark, mahaba pa eh.
23:54.2
In one year nga. In one year nga may nangyayari. Diba? Alimawa yung kay Pinoy. Nung namatay si Cory, halos nabago totally yung...
24:06.8
So sa Pilipinas, because we have very weak political institutions, very weak political culture, anything can happen.
24:15.0
Just the last one, I want to ask also Mark on this and then we can wrap this up because we'll have a separate episode where I want to talk about Aimee.
24:21.5
We didn't discuss even Aimee at all. Is she that irrelevant?
24:24.2
Or she's the relevant?
24:26.5
Let's talk about Tulfo, which you mentioned because I think he's the other big factor.
24:30.3
And inevitably, that brings us to Riza Ontiveras and the opposition.
24:33.6
Because the weird situation right now is, anong gagawin mo ka opposition aside from popcorn?
24:39.3
Right? Like aside from popcorn, is there something else you can do to make most out of this? Diba?
24:44.0
So we'll leave that for the next episode.
24:46.4
For me, ang counterpoint ko dyan, Ronald, is if walang manalo masyado mga pro-Duterte dito sa 2025,
24:55.1
If you look at the surveys, mukhang malakas yung chance na hindi lang si Bongo, hindi lang si Bato,
25:00.6
but I think, but yung isa pang Duterte, pwede tumakbo ang Senado.
25:04.1
But let's just say, theoretically, 2025, ma-dominate talaga ng administrasyon neto, no?
25:10.9
Together siguro with the opposition, which we can discuss later on.
25:13.7
Maybe that could be the basis, parang midterms pa lang mag-usapan nila,
25:17.7
oh, ang mangyara after ito, tutulungan namin kayo maging Senador,
25:20.2
but after ito, let's just come up with a setup whereby we can make a new charter.
25:25.0
That reflects what opposition wants.
25:27.1
You get what I'm saying?
25:27.6
So I think that's something we can discuss in the next episode.
25:29.7
Because if Admin does very well, at durug yung kabila sa 2025,
25:34.6
he might even be stronger than he came in in 2022.
25:37.5
Because in 2022, he had to still share power.
25:40.2
But in 2025, pag durug na yung kalaban, he doesn't have to share power.
25:44.2
And he might even have the blessing of opposition if there is a de facto alliance.
25:48.2
I call it undeclared alliance with the liberal opposition.
25:52.7
Now, Mark, I want to ask you just last point.
25:54.2
Before we wrap up this episode,
25:56.3
you and I have been covering yung mga salob na away among bloggers.
26:01.4
So there's totally nothing surprising.
26:03.4
But having said that, hindi mo nga siya shocking din yung speed?
26:07.4
It's happening na finally, bro.
26:10.2
Are you worried? Isn't this too fast? Too crazy?
26:13.4
Or baka naman we're just getting ahead of ourselves?
26:15.6
Anong basa mo, Mark?
26:17.7
Hindi. Kasi yun ang ano eh.
26:20.8
It's a shaky bond to begin with.
26:24.2
Nung simula pa lang eh.
26:25.8
So lalo na nung nakatikim na ng power yung isang kampo,
26:29.7
naramdaman na yung ano.
26:31.3
So doon pa lang medyo ano.
26:33.8
Nakatikim ulit. Nakatikim ulit. Nakalik eh.
26:36.7
Nakatikim ulit after 30 years.
26:40.3
So medyo alam ko na dito pa punta eh.
26:43.1
Medyo nakikita ko na din eh.
26:44.8
It was a matter of, kung hindi nga si PDBM wasn't that way,
26:49.7
kung hindi siya ganun na parang umiwas sa mga awayan,
26:54.2
it could have happened earlier.
26:56.1
O baga, nadadala pa si PDBM sa mga charms-charms niya
27:00.4
at sa mga panliligaw niya on both sides eh.
27:03.6
So sa akin, it's going to be messy.
27:08.5
Messy but not surprising.
27:10.5
Messy but not surprising.
27:12.5
I was expecting na possible nangyari talaga ito.
27:16.6
Lalo na ang daming mga policy differences,
27:20.9
ang daming mga yun sa style iba.
27:23.1
And yung mga walang nakaupo masyado doon sa side ng PRR, BGME at IME.
27:33.2
Doon pa lang, alam mo nang medyo naitok po yun na sila at doon na pa punta eh.
27:38.5
So just to close on this, I mean, it was perhaps an alliance of inconvenience,
27:44.1
hindi lang convenience, inconvenience from the very beginning.
27:46.6
And we already saw shots fired.
27:48.5
But just to end on this episode, sabi ko nga, this is the greatest paradox.
27:51.4
We have perhaps the most...
27:53.1
conflict avoidant president there,
27:54.7
and yet massive conflicts are breaking out right and left.
27:58.4
And as we discussed, that's actually sometimes what happens.
28:01.0
If people feel the king or the emperor is too nice and quiet,
28:05.0
they're going to take the initiative themselves.
28:06.8
And what's happening right now is the supposedly nice king is just there in the palace
28:10.7
while everyone else is fighting their wars, civil wars.
28:14.2
So speaking of that, I think this sets a perfect tone for our next episode
28:18.8
because we're going to talk about what are the alternatives here.
28:21.7
Is there room for pink?
28:23.1
Is there room for pink opposition, for liberal opposition?
28:25.3
I think Ronald already mentioned even Trillian is coming on board.
28:30.0
Let's talk about TULFO, of course, the third force in many ways.
28:33.4
And another, Marcos, we didn't mention so much, but maybe we should mention more.
28:37.8
I mean, Marcos, what's her game plan here?
28:39.8
What's her endgame here?
28:41.3
On that note, thank you very much, mga kameta.
28:43.7
Thank you very much, mga ka-RRM.
28:46.1
Ito man, real man.
28:47.1
Mga ka-RRM, may this be the beginning, God willing, of more of these kind of setups.
28:51.1
I really enjoyed this.
28:52.2
Mga masaya palin.
28:54.4
Makes it even more dynamic.
28:56.2
So on that note, thank you very much.
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And please wait for our next episode when we discuss even more drama and marites.
