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Dahil alam mo naman ang politika, hindi kasing bilis ng mga makulit natin pag-iisip.
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But for once, mukhang ka-RNR, Sir Ronaldo Llamas, mukhang sumabay ang mga pangyayara sa ating mga vlogs.
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So just over Saturday, we said that if there were to be red lines or kind of point of no returns,
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one would be ICC which we'll discuss in a separate episode, mahabang usapan yan.
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But the other one would be yung paglaya ni Laila Delima.
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Something that you and I have been discussing, not only over, ayun na, mag-credit grabbing na tayo.
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Ako, I give you credit where credit is due.
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Kasi sabi ko, pagdating dun sa argument na Liz Araneta could be modernized, I think you were ahead of the curve.
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Dito naman sa Asia, Laila Delima is being potentially freed within the year.
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This is something that I also discussed with Leloy earlier this year.
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So we are more or less on the same page on this.
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Nevertheless, una-una.
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On the level of, on the human level muna tayo.
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So, Sir Ronald, of course I'm here out of town dahil I had to visit my Lola.
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So I couldn't visit Senator Delima kanina.
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Kamusta si Senator Delima?
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Can you please give us some updates?
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Kamusta siya? How was she feeling? How was your conversation?
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What's going on? Give us the human side muna, kind of reportage.
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Alagang masayang-masaya.
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Dahil nakulong siya ng almost 7 years.
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At muntik pa siyang mapatay sa kulungan.
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Yung hostage taker niya, just a few inches from her face nung nabaril.
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Sa kulungan na siya, kaya nga ako medyo malicious yung interpretation po sa incident.
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Nag-plant ako ng bad seed doon.
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Ikalawa, nung nakulong siya,
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nilalampastangan siya sa kongreso, nilalampa, nilalampastangan siya sa social media.
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Hindi lang yung kanyang pagkatao, yung kanyang pagkababae.
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Napaka dumi nung ginawa sa kanya.
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Talagang kung ano-ano mga pinagsasabi, pinagtatawanan siya.
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Mga kongresista eh.
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Yung pinagtatawanan siya.
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Tapos, nung nakulong siya, ay siya isang senador.
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She was a sitting senator.
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At the same time,
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inabutan niya yung COVID.
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Inabutan niya yung COVID.
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Even bago nagkaroon ng COVID,
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ang higpit na nung pagbisita sa kanya.
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Ako, ilang beses akong napigilang bumisita dahil ayaw, hinarangan.
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Lalo na nung panahon ng COVID.
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Kaya, ang lungkot-lungkot mo sa kulungan, diba?
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Tapos, marami siyang mga kaibigan, kamag-anap, na matay.
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Habang siya ay nakakulong.
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Na hindi man lang niya mapagpulong-pulong niya dahil very close siya kay Pinoy eh.
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Yes, kay Pinoy, yeah, kay Pinoy. Exactly, exactly, yeah.
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So, ibang klase yung kanyang pagkakulong.
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Ibang klase, ang daming layers ng oppression na nangyari sa kanya.
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Tapos, ilang beses din, nabuntik siyang bigyan ng bail pero naatras.
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Akala mo makakalabas ka na, makakalaya ka na.
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Tapos, biglang napigilan.
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Imagine mo yung depression na pwede mo maranasan.
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Buti nalang isang strong woman, si Laila, no?
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Ito yung bibistahin ko siya halos buong araw.
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Tawa na lang kami, alaskahan, no?
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Minsan, dinadala ko siya ng mga paborito niyang pagkain, yung mga gawang sagata, no?
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Pero, nakita mo yung spirits niya na hindi gunguho.
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Siguro, kung tayong dalawa yung nakulong ng gano'ng klase,
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hindi nalang maging katindi.
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Baka, gagano'ng gano'ng gano'ng gano'ng gano'ng.
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Ronald, binisita ko si Sen. Dilima noong 2019, before pandemic.
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At saka mahaliwalas siya.
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Pinag-usapan namin.
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I mean, to soy season.
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Marcos Aurelio, Seneca, all of that.
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And then, we're talking about Mandela actually.
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Something we're gonna talk about later on more.
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And when I said Mandela, nag-lighten up yung mata niya na nakikita mo na nakaka-relate na siya.
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Kasi Mandela was like 30 years, di ba?
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the arc of history
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then sinaselebrate
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na nagsiselebrate
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kaya ito yung paraan ko
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ibang marites na yan
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binisita kay lola ko
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of course you were
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Commission on Human Rights
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ng Commission on Human Rights
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at big may problema
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dahil si Edta kasi
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ng Commissioner on Human Rights
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para kausapin si Edta
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so yun yung aking role
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yung head ng Human Rights
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tapos yung vice chair
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ng Committee on Human Rights
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dalawang powerful women
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yung kausap ni Pinoy
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so medyo nagkakaroon ko
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ako yung nagpo fulcrum
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Ito sa strong women na ito at si Pinoy at that time.
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So doon ko na kilala si Laila.
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Tsaka si Laila, election lawyer yan eh.
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One of the few election lawyers.
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Akaunti lang yan eh, yung election lawyers.
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Tapos noong 2016, noong nanalo siya as senator,
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nag-abot kami sa Washington, D.C.
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I had a conference in New York.
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Ganoon siyang meeting sa D.C.
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Kasama niya si, yung kanyang abogado, si Atty. Jojo Garcia.
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At ang sabi ko kay Laila,
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Laila, wag ka nangunang bumalik.
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Obserbahan mo muna yung Pilipinas.
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Dahil marami nung mga kalaban mo na psychopath at saka sociopath.
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Sino yung may hawak ng gobyerno.
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Baka ipakulong ka or worse.
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Sabi ako siya ng ganoon.
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Ang sabi ni Laila, wala naman ako nagawang masamay.
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Ba't ako matatakot?
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Pag bumalik ng Pilipinas.
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At yun nga, to make a long story short,
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pinakulong siya at winalanghiya siya habang siya ay nakakulong.
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Pero winahangin nga ako siya noon eh.
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Pero mas mahalaga sa kanya yung prinsipyo.
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Mas mahalaga sa kanya,
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hindi itong threats.
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Mas mahalaga sa kanya.
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At hanggang ngayon,
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after seven years ng napaka-horrible na pagkakakulong,
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ay ganoon pa rin yung kanyang puso.
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Hindi pa rin siya nanghihina.
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Nakakapagliit siya eh.
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Dinalaw mo siya, dinadalaw ko siya.
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Pag dinadalaw natin, nakakapagliit eh.
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Kaya nga, pag may mga asama kami na nanghihina sa mga kanilang mga problema,
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sa kanilang mga travails,
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tinuturo ko si Laila.
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Yung mga problema niyo, maliliit siya.
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Tingnan niyo si Laila.
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Huwag niyo nga daling sa akin yung mga problema.
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Huwag niyo nga daling sa akin yung mga problema.
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Huwag niyo nga daling sa akin yung mga problema.
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Alam mo naman ako, pag sa mga organizer namin eh, asshole ako eh.
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Hindi naman sinasabi na lagi akong asshole.
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Kari niyo brutal.
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No, no, no. I completely agree with you, Ronald.
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I mean, as I said, again, this is not to take away from anyone,
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but for me, the Nobel Peace Prize number one for me in the Philippines
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that dapat ma-nominate ever since was really Laila Dalingo.
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Because I think the level of harassment, kabastosan that she had to deal with,
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I mean, I actually met her in Senate just few weeks before yung black-off sa kanya magsimula
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and then shortly after.
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I met her, she was very nice kasi she was interviewed by Christian Amanpour
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and then ako yung interview after or something like that.
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And then she jokingly said,
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Hoy, I saw what you said.
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And then sabi ko, I also saw what you said.
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Yung mga gano'n, alam mo, nakaasaran lang kami.
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But she was very in strong spirit.
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And then after what happened to her, actually, Ronald, nagkaroon ng debate among many observers.
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Like, was perhaps Laila de Lima in politic in a sense that she went after Digong
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at the worst possible time?
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Because this is the time when Digong's approval was like 90%, right?
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Ito yung rallying around the flag, ito yung emergency situation.
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But I think as time went by, yung hunch ng iba,
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and I think this is also what was in my heart,
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that there should always be that one person who says no
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when everyone has a reason to say yes.
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You get what I'm saying?
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Alam mo yung mga pictures ng Nazi period na lahat kaganyan
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tapos isa lang hindi nagganyan?
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Alam mo yung mga gano'n?
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Or yung guy na tumayo sa harap ng tanke ng Tiananmen?
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There should be always that one crazy one
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which history will show was the only sane one
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when everyone was either too scared or too foolish
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to see things for what they were.
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So parang ako eh.
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Last year nga diba ito yung simbolo ng oposisyon?
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Yung that one hand na naka gano'n, diba?
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She was the one eh.
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I think she really embodied that eh.
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So for her to take on Duterte,
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at the moment when Duterte was the strongest,
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even by his own popularity,
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kulto na level, diba?
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Kulto level na yung popularity niya.
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This was really where she proved her courage eh.
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it's even appropriate to talk about political strategy
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because this was a moment of moral conviction.
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I don't know, Ronald.
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How do you read that?
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Kaya sabi ko, history will vindicate her.
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History will show there should always be that one person
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who raises the hand just when everyone was like that,
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she goes like that, diba?
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Yung lang, yung lang.
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Tama yung sinabi mo, capital R, no?
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Dapat may magnominate sa kanya sa Nobel Peace Prize.
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Kahit hindi manalo, no?
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Not to take away from Maria Ressa,
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It's not either or.
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Ikalawa, sabi ko nga sa interview kanina,
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ito yung kanyang Mandela moment.
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Ito yung kanyang Aung San Suu Kyi moment
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without the problems of Rohingya.
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Ito yung moment niya.
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pwedeng yung kanyang political narrative
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ay maging very compelling.
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Dahil alam mo naman, marami lang yung mga kababayan,
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lalo na sa kabataan,
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medyo disenchanted na sa lahat.
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Sa lahat nalang nangyayari.
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Disillusion na sa lahat nangyayari.
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Wala sila makitang leadership na gagayahin nila.
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Meron tayong lost generation.
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Kung hindi ma-harness ng isang leader,
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katulad ni Laila,
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yung kanilang optimism,
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yung kanilang mga pangarap,
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talagang yung future natin will be very bleak.
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Good luck sa atin.
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Ito yung isa siya sa mga tao,
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na pwedeng gawin yan.
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Sabi ko nga kanina,
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in-exemplify niya,
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more than any other political leader,
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yung triumph ng integrity over cynicism.
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Kaya napaka-cynical ang ating political landscape.
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Ina-epitomize niya
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yung triumph ng hope against desperation.
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Dahil ang dami ko nakausap, wala eh.
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Desperate na sila eh.
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Meron mo yung Congress mo.
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Merong tatlo, apat na ex-convict.
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Malapit na magkapatid ulit yung isa.
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Malapit na sa next election.
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Merong number one na ang galing magsuklay ng bigote.
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Meron pa pang isa na gaganong-gano.
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Doon sa FIBA Games.
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Ako sila yung nang-atalo.
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Hanggang diyan lang ba tayo?
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Eh ngayon, dahil na-denemonize siya ng gusto,
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habang siya ay nakakulong.
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Ngayon, pwede niyang i-reinvent yung kanyang sarili.
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Pwede niyang i-harness yung mga energies ng mga volunteers.
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Alimbawa yung Pink Wave.
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Siya yung pwede mag-harness dyan.
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Dahil si Lenny, balik na sa lokal eh.
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Ayaw na nga mag-aspire for national leadership.
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Well, pwede siya yan.
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Not necessarily to run, pero para talaga maging leader nitong mga reform-oriented youth,
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itong mga naghahanap ng something different na mas marangal, more noble sa nakikita nila ngayon sa kanilang paligid.
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Siya yung pwede nyan. Kung aayusin pagkatapos siya magpahinga, pagkatapos siya mag-retreat,
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eh sigurado ko babalik sa labanan niya. Nung nakakulunga siya, hindi siya gumuho eh.
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Eh na yung panalakalayaan siya.
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Ronald, before we go to the next move, I know medyo sabihin na iba, ang kapal na naman mukha niya.
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But the thing is, I think she has already a special place in our history,
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but I think she can even play a more important role in the years to come.
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Because she has proven the mettle of her not only leadership and political leadership,
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but also mettle of her courage of conviction.
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But before we go there,
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Sir, pwede go back to my request. Can you give me a reportage?
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Kamusta sa korte kanina? Kamusta si Layla? What did you talk about?
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How was she emotionally, physically, whatever?
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Can you just tell me a little bit about it para yung mga audience natin ma-appreciate nila?
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Well, marami doon sa mga nandun. Very optimistic.
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Partly dahil halos lahat ng mga witnesses against her, nag-atrasa na.
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Mukhang yung nakikita namin, hindi naman dinigdiinan ng gobyerno, katulad nung panahon ni de Gaulle, yung justice system natin.
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Parang wala kami masyadong na-monitor na katulad nung nangyari kay justice Aguirre, nung panahon ni President Duterte,
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talagang umamin yung mga, later on, umamin yung mga testigo na sila ay pinresume na maglabas ng false testimony.
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Drag lord yung ibang nag-testigo, di ba?
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Bawal yun, no? Bawal yun. Pag-abit na drag lord, bawal yun.
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Yeah, what a joke.
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Pero tinanggap, pinayagan. Doon mo makikita na yung sinasabi nila na meron tayong working justice system,
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eh mukhang nakatira sa ibang planeta yung mga nagsasabi noon. Di ba?
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At ngayon, pero in spite of that, na-overcome ni Laila yung ganong klaseng pagkakaban.
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At na-observe ba? Kaya nga, very optimistic yung mga nandun.
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No? Pinakita ko nga sa'yo yung mga memes namin, eh. Di ba?
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No, si Laila mismo.
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Nag-agadana namin for today.
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Sorry, sorry. Sorry, because I know marami excited. I could see in the comments already.
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Kamusta si Laila mismo? She herself. How was she? You had a conversation. How is she? I mean, can you tell us a little bit about that?
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Well, sabi ko nga, masaya. Masaya, pero iyak din siya ng iyak sa tua. No?
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Iyak siya ng iyak sa tua. At later on nga, doon sa press con niya,
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tonight, eh, magkasama sila ng iyak ni Senator Contiveros, isa rin close friend niya. Di ba?
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Kaya, very emotional si Laila. Nandun yung mga kaibigan niya, nandun yung kanyang mga abogado, nandun yung mga supporters niya.
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Talagang very emotional yung moment kanina. No? Kahit pagod siya, nawawala yung kanyang pagod dahil doon sa kanyang very compelling moment.
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Ay, Mandela moment.
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Yeah, before we go back to Laila and what's next for her. Sorry, medyo I'm getting emotional. I'll just go back to the court case itself, no?
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So, I want to get your insight on this. I did a quick vlog kanina before going to my lola and checking on her.
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So, one of the reasons why antagal niya dyan sa detention, and you and I visited her while she was in detention, Kang Krame,
17:28.0
is that six judges inhibited in her case, no?
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Dalawa dyan ay nag-avail ng biglang.
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Early retirement. Yung iba naman, nag-voluntary, nag-withdraw. Yung iba, nag-regs na issued doon sa...
17:41.0
You know, I mean, ang gulo. And then, there was one case with Judge Gito, who's the one in charge right now, Gito or Gito,
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who actually, when he was in charge of one of her cases, things were moving in the right direction.
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For instance, Delima was able to get permission to visit her mom, et cetera.
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And then, biglang natanggal si Judge Gito. And then, ngayon, bumalik si Judge Gito, and now we see things are moving in the right direction.
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Again, like, what's going on there? Is this, like, coincidence? Or is this a little bit more than coincidence, Ronald?
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I mean, again, we don't want to pass aspersions, but I just want to be brutally honest about, this sounds weird to me.
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Six judges are just kicking the can down the road or withdrawing, and then the one okay judge suddenly tanggal, balik.
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I mean, what's going on here?
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Well, may isang judge kasi, no? Talagang may conflict of interest.
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Siya yung judge na negative dun sa mga...
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sa nagsampan ng kaso kay Laila sa Congress, no?
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Yung Tiga Mindoro, no?
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So, alam ko, na-explore na i-disbar yung judge na yan, eh.
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Ah, parang abuse ang nangyari, oh.
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Dahil bawal yun, eh.
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Medyo may conflict of interest, yeah.
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Parang, ah, ayaw nilang ma-pressure at magmukha silang contravidant, ha?
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Kaya, may mga karir yan, may mga iba't-ibang pressures yan, galing sa gobyerno.
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Kahit sabihin mo na, theoretically, independent yung judiciary, in the real world, hindi siya ganyang ka-independent.
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Kaya yung iba, iwas-pusoy.
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Malagay sa kasaysayan, na sobrang kontrabida.
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At the same time, ayaw nilang labanan yung powers that be.
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So, nang-inhibit na lang sila o umalis sila, no?
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Early retirement pa nga, di ba? That's unusual.
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Yeah. Nag-avail ang early retirement. That's why it's unusual.
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Wala masyadong pressure na it in, di ba?
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Nakita natin yung nangyari.
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Ah, di na ako magsasalita dahil, ah...
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I don't know, I don't know.
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Baka makontemp...
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Makontemp case ka dyan, di ba? Mahirap na.
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Sorry, I didn't want to put you in trouble.
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I just wanted to point that out, no?
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Um, a little bit about the...
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Di ba? I mean, medyo weird, di ba? Medyo weird.
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Kasi sasabihin ng kapila,
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eh, kung malang kasalanan yan, di dapat pinalayan na yan.
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Ano yung ating image to be held, di ba?
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Yung kabulukan ng ating judicial system, di ba?
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Yan yung summary.
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Eh, ayaw mo na yung...
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We're talking about the system, ha?
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We're not talking about specific persons.
20:33.9
Just to be clear,
20:34.9
all due respect to all the judges we're talking...
20:36.5
We're talking about the problems with the system.
20:38.3
At sabi ko naman, Ronald,
20:39.4
in fairness naman sa mga judges natin,
20:41.9
napaka-congested yung courts natin,
20:43.5
like 744 cases a year,
20:45.9
ang dami natin pre-trial detainees,
20:47.8
congested ang penitentiary system,
20:49.6
sobrang maliit ng budget ng...
20:51.0
So, there's a systemic problem.
20:53.0
So, we're not here to cast aspersions on one judge or the other,
20:56.8
but what I can say is,
20:57.7
I'm very confident about this current judge.
21:00.2
Based on the information I have from friends who know better
21:03.6
about the operations of the justice system.
21:06.4
So, we just have to spell it out.
21:07.9
Kasi kung hindi natin na-mention yan,
21:09.5
it's like we're pretending we're in Denmark.
21:11.7
We're not in Scandinavia, alright?
21:13.3
Let's just not pretend.
21:14.3
We're not even in the US, di ba?
21:16.4
Even US level, hindi tayo US level.
21:18.7
So, we just have to be brutally honest about this thing.
21:21.0
Now, why is it taking so...
21:22.3
Why did it take...
21:23.2
So, actually, scary yan, di ba, Ronald?
21:25.2
You can be a completely innocent person,
21:27.6
and you can be kept behind bars for years,
21:30.2
more or less coterminous with a certain administration of six years.
21:34.7
Because no one just wants to take your case,
21:36.5
or, you know, you know what I'm saying?
21:37.8
Like, they just kick the can down the road,
21:39.9
kick the can down the road.
21:41.2
So, detention, but without trial, even.
21:44.3
Tingnan mo Big R, no?
21:45.6
Tingnan mo Big R, no?
21:47.7
Laila was the former chair of the commission of New Madrid.
21:52.2
Dati siyang head,
21:54.2
dati siyang secretary of the Department of Justice.
21:57.9
Dati siyang sitting senator.
22:00.9
Nuntik pa siyang mapasok sa Supreme Court.
22:04.7
Natalo lang siya by one vote sa JBC.
22:08.1
So, ibig sabihin, very powerful na yung babaeng yan.
22:11.9
Kung yan, kaya gawin sa kanya.
22:14.5
Kaya yung mga katulad natin na maliliit na tao.
22:16.8
O, mga small R, big R.
22:19.0
Maliit pa rin pa rin.
22:20.8
Paano ba yung mga small R?
22:22.5
Paano ba yung ibang parang mayroong tao?
22:25.3
Yun yung nakakatakot dito sa sistema na ito.
22:28.9
Ayaw natin magbigay ng...
22:30.2
Aspersions o sa ibang judges.
22:32.0
Pero, without mentioning names,
22:34.5
eh, isang katutak na mga duwaga
22:36.0
tsaka walang integrity pa rin yung mga judges na yan.
22:40.0
But we always have one or two good judges in there.
22:44.0
Okay, let's move forward
22:45.9
kasi ayaw kong makasuan tayong dalawa.
22:49.0
We're just trying to get people free.
22:51.0
Hopefully, the next thing is, you know,
22:52.6
yung case naman ni Ka Walden Belio,
22:54.9
yung E1 na case sa kanya.
22:57.0
I hope we will see also some resolution there.
23:00.2
But, but let's go back to this.
23:01.8
Inaalas ka ko nga si Walden kanina.
23:03.4
Ah, wame na, wame na.
23:04.5
Walden, ikaw naman yung susunod na makukulong.
23:07.0
Nako, wag kang ganyan.
23:12.0
Kaya sabi mo kay Walden,
23:13.1
magpakabait siya sa ano.
23:15.9
Now, now, Ronald.
23:18.7
Kung sakali makulong siya,
23:19.8
sa dabaw siya makukulong, eh.
23:22.4
Kung sakali makukulong.
23:25.8
Tinatakot ko siya kanina.
23:26.9
Tinatakot ko lang.
23:29.1
O, yung mga kaibigan natin dyan sa dabao.
23:31.7
Eto, eto, Sir Ronald.
23:33.2
Balikan natin ito, ah.
23:34.4
So, how was your conversation with Layla herself?
23:37.9
Let's talk about Layla herself.
23:40.2
I mean, to the degree that you can talk about.
23:43.5
Alaskahan pa rin kami.
23:44.5
Minda kasi inalaskahan ko siya.
23:46.8
Mga kanya, ipokwita.
23:48.6
Pero sa cabinet meeting, no?
23:50.8
Siyempre, hindi naman lahat siya magkakaibigan.
23:53.9
Pero si Layla, laki yung pagbeso-beso sa lahat.
23:56.9
Kahit yung hindi, masyadong close sa kanya.
23:59.0
Kaya ang tawag ko sa kanya, ipokwita.
24:01.0
Tawag siya ng tawag.
24:03.7
Kasi Ronald, cultured siya.
24:04.6
Hindi naman siya katulad ko na asshole, eh.
24:07.3
I call a spade a spade, no?
24:08.6
Kung makaharap kita, eh, talagang kakatayin kita, no?
24:12.4
Si Layla, mabait, eh.
24:14.3
O, mabait talaga si Mama.
24:15.4
Pero strong woman.
24:17.3
Mabait, pero very strong woman, no?
24:20.9
Hindi katulad natin na asshole, pero mahina na mga lalaki.
24:25.2
Hindi ko, hindi ko.
24:26.2
Kaya sinasabi, bakit ka, o?
24:28.7
Basta ako, basta ako, ka-RNR, proud na proud ako.
24:33.0
Kasi kahit, kung anong kaduwagan na mga katrapuhan ng ating mga politiko,
24:37.5
ating mga lalaking politiko, you know, bumaba ko yung mga babae natin.
24:41.4
Sa conference ng India, diba?
24:43.3
Yung mga Indian Commodore, nandun, diba?
24:46.6
Pag upong pag upo ko, taas ka agad ako ng kamay, tanong ka agad ako, diba?
24:52.1
Dating show natin, wag po.
24:54.4
Impolite ako, eh.
24:56.2
Alam ko, katulad mo ka na very polite.
24:58.2
Hindi, ako, alam mo naman, medyo current din ako, pero sa lugar.
25:03.0
Ikaw talaga, naalala ko isang time, wag po yung show sa TV5.
25:06.5
Sana malapit na magka-show na rin tayo yung dalawa, diba?
25:09.9
Biglang, ito ha, 15 minutes na ako nagsasalita sa Edka.
25:13.7
Pag pasok pa lang ni Ronald, may question siya kagad sa akin.
25:17.6
Kami nga lang, Lord DeVero, whoa!
25:19.9
Alam mo, ano yung kasama sa dormitory, tulog, tapos biglang gigising, nakikiusap na siya sa conversation niya.
25:26.2
Parang, wow, saan to galing, pare?
25:29.1
Okay, sir, Boss Ronald, so...
25:31.0
I'm not perfect like you, Big R.
25:33.0
Sorry na lang, ha?
25:33.8
Yan, dapat ganun.
25:35.6
Dapat ganun sa'yo yung mga perfect.
25:38.3
Pero, sir, so she's in good spirits, she's feeling good.
25:44.5
Parang nang bisitahin yung kanyang nanay.
25:46.7
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
25:47.9
Na 80 at saka 90 plus na.
25:50.2
Kaya balak niyang pumunta sa B-Call, no?
25:53.1
Baka bukas or the day after, no?
25:56.2
Pahingalan siya ng konti, tapos punta na siya ron.
25:58.2
Kaya huwag na natin siya masyadong gambalain.
26:01.0
No, no, no, we're just showing, we're just sending good vibes.
26:04.9
I believe in that.
26:06.0
Alam mo, Ronald, kung ano, religion, kung walang religion, I think good energy exists.
26:11.7
It's a spiritual thing.
26:12.7
So, I think if we send good vibes, makifil talaga ni Sen. Dalima yan.
26:16.2
Because she always told me dati, nung nandun kami.
26:18.3
I mean, she writes letter, di ba?
26:20.3
I mean, pangit kasi yung sulat ko, parang Lord of the Rings.
26:23.2
Pero I think sa kanya lang ako nagsulat.
26:25.3
So, madalang ka nila ng handwritten.
26:26.4
Oo, and then nag-reply ako, handwritten din.
26:28.4
Ang hindi ko alam kung mamabasa niya yung sinusulat ko sa kanya.
26:33.1
Ang problema ko na yung big R.
26:35.0
Kanina magkasama kami, hindi ko sigurado kung andala ko ay positive vibes.
26:40.1
Dahil lagi kasi nadaladala ko yung mga awake ko na asshole.
26:45.0
So, marami akong negative vibes nadala.
26:47.1
Pero kanina, nagpigil ako.
26:49.0
Oo, ganda na picture niya eh.
26:51.2
Nagkakahal na kami, very light.
26:53.3
So, I like your shirt ha.
26:55.3
I like your honey cream.
26:55.8
Favorite color ko yan.
26:56.8
Dalawa yan, yung purple.
26:57.9
So, good vibes yung color mo palang, no?
27:00.3
Medyo melon, fresh, ano, ang vibes na.
27:03.1
Hindi na kasi sa Channel 5, yung paborito mong channel eh.
27:07.2
Sabi nila, mag-shoot daw eh.
27:08.6
Hindi ko yung paborito.
27:09.7
Sabi nila, mag-shoot.
27:10.6
Sabi nila, mag-shoot.
27:10.8
Sabi nila, mag-shoot.
27:11.6
Ang pingaw kanina, ano?
27:14.7
Sabi nila, bakit ako yung imbitan nyo rito?
27:17.2
Eh, mayroong kayong magaling political analyst.
27:20.2
Yun dapat ang imbitan nyo.
27:21.1
Ay, ako, overwork na ako.
27:21.7
Sabi nila, hindi na namin siya
27:23.5
ma-reach eh. Dabasado na siyang
27:27.1
Hindi, kaya ang kinuha nila, si Sasot
27:29.5
daw. Ano yung nakikita ko?
27:31.5
Kahit na lawan ni Sasot ang kinukuha ngayon eh.
27:33.8
Pinagsamay sila ni Trillanes.
27:35.5
Si Sasot at si Trillanes, di ba?
27:37.8
Isang macho at isang macho.
27:41.5
talagang ito si Sir Trillanes talaga.
27:43.7
Malapit na ma-appoint yan. Okay, anyway.
27:46.1
Balikan natin ito. Balikan natin
27:47.7
ito. Balikan natin ito. Okay. So,
27:52.6
our expectation, we correctly saw her
27:54.6
being freed sooner than later
27:56.5
before the end of the year.
27:58.1
I was thinking closer to Christmas siguro
28:00.2
because of Christmas vibes. So, Christmas came
28:02.4
early in that sense. Thank God.
28:05.1
Of course, the court case,
28:06.4
we're hoping that things, if they run their course,
28:08.6
mag-clear na lahat. Kasi dalawa,
28:10.1
two down to 2021. Well,
28:12.6
Big R, nung tinignan ko
28:14.6
yung decision kanina,
28:16.8
parang hindi siya simple
28:18.1
yung bail decision.
28:20.4
No? Kapal eh. Mahaba.
28:22.4
Parang almost final lahat yung
28:24.1
decision. Ibig sabihin, parang siyang
28:25.9
judgment. Oo. Parang
28:28.1
almost pa-dismiss na. Almost there.
28:30.6
Almost. Hindi siya simple yung bail decision
28:32.3
na dapat baig sila.
28:33.8
Ito, kung talagang, arami, malaman.
28:36.5
Ibig sabihin, yan yung pwede nilang gamitin
28:38.5
doon sa iba pa niyang mga kaso.
28:41.7
Solicitor General, nag-file pa
28:44.3
ng motion for reconsideration doon sa
28:46.1
acquittal niya. Right. Sa Court of Appeals eh.
28:48.3
No? Kaya, may ganun pang kaso.
28:50.4
Pero, kung babasahin mo yung
28:54.1
parang tapos na. Sana.
28:56.3
Sana naman, no? No?
29:00.1
decision yung kanina. Dahil maraming
29:04.2
simple yung bail decision. Yes.
29:06.7
Hindi yung mga arguments
29:08.2
for her acquittal.
29:10.1
Correct. Correct. Correct.
29:11.2
Yun yung mahalaga kanina.
29:14.1
At, sa mga interviews niya kanina,
29:16.4
ay dumalabas yung kanyang pangil.
29:20.9
simpleng galing lang
29:24.3
sa impyerno. Tapos, durog na
29:26.5
durog. Hindi. Sinabi niya,
29:30.2
Yung mga gumawa nito
29:32.3
sa kanya, maghintay sila.
29:34.0
Ayan! It's not about
29:35.5
revenge eh. It's about justice.
29:38.6
No, this is about, yeah, this is
29:40.2
about justice. Dahil, sabi ko nga kanina,
29:42.2
kung kayang gawin sa kanya ito,
29:44.8
kaya itong gawin o ginagawa na
29:46.8
sa maraming taraniwan.
29:48.3
Never again. Never again. Dapat ang position
29:50.4
never again. Draw the line. Now, before
29:52.3
we talk about that,
29:53.4
before we go to that part, I think you're already
29:56.4
implying magaling ka talagang kahosta.
29:59.2
Eto, let me just give an
30:00.3
excerpt of the decision. So, katulad
30:02.2
ng pinag-usapan natin kanina, ito yung sinabi sa
30:04.1
decision. The totality of the evidence
30:06.2
presented by the prosecution,
30:08.8
the court is of the firm
30:10.4
view, firm view, and
30:12.4
holds that accused the lima,
30:14.2
of course, hindi lang siya nag-isa, Bukayo,
30:16.0
Dayan, Sanchez, Zandera, should be
30:18.2
allowed to post bail as, this is
30:20.4
important, the prosecution was not
30:22.6
able to discharge its burden of
30:24.3
establishing that the guilt of the said accused
30:26.2
is strong. In short, medyo
30:28.3
mahina. I have to put it nicely,
30:34.3
Para yung mga usapang
30:36.6
kalsal. Medyo barbero
30:38.5
ta kayo. Balik kayo
30:40.4
sa drawing board. Kung kayo,
30:42.1
mag-aral mo, mag-aral mo, hindi kayo ng batas.
30:44.5
Mga lintik kayo. Di ba? Parang
30:46.2
ganun yung decision eh.
30:47.8
Huwag natin isultuin yung kwentong barbero.
30:50.4
Ibasiyan tayo yung mga kwentong barbero.
30:52.6
Yung mga barbero ko,
30:54.0
naku, magaling mag-usap. Nanonood yata
30:56.0
yung mga R&R show natin eh.
30:58.2
Minsan nagwa-barbero ka, daming tanong.
31:00.2
Aba, magaling. Aba,
31:01.1
alam na. Bati yung on-close.
31:04.5
Lalo na. Lalo na kung alam nila,
31:05.9
yung big R ang kanilang ginugupitan.
31:08.6
Maraming open forum.
31:09.9
Alam talaga yun. Tapos,
31:11.6
pansin ko yung ibang barbero, nakikinig din
31:13.6
sa mga usap namin. Aba,
31:17.1
Shave mo muna to. Ingat ka.
31:20.4
Focus ka muna dito.
31:23.6
Si Claire Llamas, let's talk about the next step.
31:26.0
Let's talk about the next step. Kasi nakikita ko
31:27.9
yung mga DDS sumasaling na dito.
31:30.1
Ano na natin? Bigyan natin ng
31:33.3
Bigyan natin ng teaser.
31:35.2
Sabi nga kanila, doon sa isang interview ko,
31:37.6
may mga DDS na nagsasabi
31:39.5
na walang kinalaman dyan sa kaso
31:41.9
ni Laila Delima, si President Duterte.
31:45.3
So, ang ginawa namin sa
31:47.7
paborito mong TV station,
31:49.5
pinalabas namin yung mga
31:52.5
ex-President Duterte.
31:54.7
May montage, no? Meron siyang montage.
31:57.1
Hindi namin kinakailangan magsalita, diba?
32:01.0
So, yung mga kaibigan mong
32:03.5
trolls ay matahimik na.
32:06.0
Ano, hindi sila nabigyan
32:11.3
Ronald, wala. Meltdown mode
32:15.8
Ito, ito. Ronald, what's the next step?
32:19.5
Christmas, I hope, you know,
32:21.3
Senator Delima spends time with her mom,
32:23.1
with the family, let's say, hopefully,
32:24.8
by second quarter of next year,
32:27.1
she's fully recovered in every sense of the word.
32:29.6
She made up the...
32:30.6
Okay, let me say this.
32:33.1
Actually, alam mo naman, makulit tayong dalawa.
32:35.3
Sabi ko, why not,
32:36.8
gagawa ng task force, special task force
32:39.5
si BBM, to investigate
32:41.7
yung human rights situation sa Philippines,
32:43.7
potentially EJK, potentially
32:45.2
in coordination with ICC,
32:47.0
complementarity and all of that.
32:49.5
in charge of that will be no less than
32:51.8
the former CHR chief,
32:53.7
former senator, and
32:55.5
for me, Nobel Peace Prize
32:57.6
dapat manalo soon, hopefully,
33:01.4
What do you think about that idea? You think it's too crazy?
33:03.6
It's a good idea.
33:06.3
Pero, sabi ko nga,
33:08.2
marami pang dadaanan
33:10.0
na proseso si Leila.
33:11.8
After midterms na to,
33:17.3
sabi naman niya sa mga
33:20.4
ay sisimili niya yung mga may gawal
33:23.8
Hindi lang dahil ginawa ito sa kanya,
33:26.3
dahil it's the system.
33:29.7
At ito, mga mga mga mga to,
33:31.3
hindi pwedeng pabayaan.
33:32.8
Lalo na yung mga matataas na tao ng gobyerno
33:35.9
na inutusan, open ratio
33:38.0
yung mga witnesses
33:39.0
na mag-bear false witness
33:42.9
Yan, hindi pwedeng palampasin yan.
33:45.0
Lines should be drawn.
33:46.4
Kasi Ronald, ito, napansin ko sa Pilipinas,
33:49.4
I'm very careful when I'm Karen.
33:51.0
Like, itong sikat na tao,
33:52.7
nagreklamo, inabuso,
33:54.1
tapos pinagbigyan.
33:55.4
Next thing you know,
33:57.0
Parang forget na yung issue.
33:59.5
Philippine Airlines,
34:01.4
nagreklamo si ganito,
34:02.5
binigyan ng ganyan,
34:03.4
tapos hindi na siya magsalita.
34:05.2
I mean, by the way,
34:05.9
Philippine Airlines,
34:06.5
thank you very much na ayos na.
34:08.6
Ang gusto natin mangyari is that
34:10.0
I'm happy for Senator Dilima,
34:11.5
I want her to spend time
34:12.5
with her family and loved ones,
34:13.5
but we want to make sure
34:14.3
this will never again happen to anyone.
34:17.0
As you absolutely correctly said,
34:19.0
if this could happen
34:19.8
to a Senator of the Republic,
34:21.0
someone as high profile as her,
34:22.4
she was in the list of top 100
34:24.0
in Time Magazine in 2016.
34:25.9
I mean, this is no joke, right?
34:27.6
If they didn't do that to her,
34:29.0
and the way they did it,
34:30.3
it's not only what was done,
34:31.3
the way it was done,
34:33.5
as in kabastusan,
34:35.0
complete barbarism,
34:36.3
yung mga black ops na ginawa sa kanya,
34:38.8
and some of the people
34:39.6
should have known better
34:41.7
This should never repeat again.
34:45.0
and there's no one better than her
34:46.7
to lead that effort.
34:49.8
There should be a task force,
34:50.9
there should be a movement.
34:52.2
Talagang durugin dapat
34:53.5
yung ganitong kultura
34:54.5
ng kabastusan, di ba?
34:56.7
Alimbawa, kanina,
34:59.1
meron isang senador
35:00.1
na papuri sa nang papuri
35:04.1
na puro siya pre-send,
35:05.6
paglabas sa social media
35:08.8
ano bang ginawa mo
35:09.7
noong panahon mo?
35:10.8
Why kayo pa rin nagsasalita?
35:12.5
Bakit noong panahon ni Jerome
35:13.5
tahimik na tahimik ka?
35:15.1
Hindi mo malang pinaglaban
35:16.5
yung kapwa mo, babae.
35:18.5
Kapwa mo, senadora na babae.
35:20.2
Ay, parang kilala ko siya na yan.
35:22.3
Gulpe, gulpe, no?
35:25.0
medyo yung tao rin ngayon,
35:26.5
medyo nagigising na,
35:28.6
at hindi pa palampasin
35:30.0
yung mga panayan,
35:32.4
yung mga pagiging ipokrita na yan.
35:35.5
Pagiging ipokrita na yan.
35:38.1
Kaya ka binilatan ko
35:39.3
yung isang mga ipokrita
35:42.3
dahil sa isang show,
35:44.2
sabi ni former spokesperson
35:48.5
niya ang desisyon.
35:49.5
Excuse me, excuse me.
35:52.1
do not interrupt me.
35:59.2
do not interrupt me.
35:59.8
Not with a grain of salt,
36:01.5
but with a ton of salt.
36:04.5
Dahil isang ipokrita ba yan?
36:06.1
Gusto mga binabalatan
36:07.9
ng mga congressmen?
36:09.5
Excuse me, excuse me.
36:11.1
hindi ako nakapagpigil eh.
36:12.3
Hindi ako nakapagpigil.
36:13.9
isa sa weakness ko yan eh.
36:16.1
hindi ka pa nakamove on
36:21.9
wait, wait, what?
36:24.8
ano akala mo sa amin?
36:26.1
We have been watching
36:28.0
you said during Digong.
36:29.2
Tapos in-endorse mo
36:31.1
Kakalimutan natin
36:31.9
lahat ng mga ka-DDS-an mo.
36:34.3
that way, my friend.
36:36.1
Yung isa ko natutunan
36:40.6
Yung isa natutunan ko.
36:45.6
Hindi naman lahat sa China eh,
36:47.6
ire-reject mo na.
36:48.9
Dapat meron pa rin
36:53.9
It's a justification
36:54.8
for assholes like me.
36:57.4
We need monsters.
36:58.6
We need good monsters.
37:01.7
nagsama, Ronald eh.
37:03.3
Kasi ako yung mabait,
37:04.5
I'll balance you out.
37:06.0
but, eto, Ronald.
37:08.8
doon sa isang forum
37:12.7
we shouldn't be the
37:14.7
we are trying to destroy.
37:16.9
Sabi ni Maria Reza,
37:20.5
you don't have to be
37:22.2
You can hire monsters
37:24.2
Yeah, but Ronald,
37:25.0
he was not talking about you.
37:26.3
He was talking about
37:27.1
themselves on the stage
37:31.5
presumptuous mo naman
37:33.6
na ikaw yung sinama.
37:34.8
kasi I was a weakness ko yan,
37:41.1
bago tayong mag-credit
37:41.9
grab sa isa't isa,
37:43.5
In fairness naman,
37:46.9
on this for the past year
