00:23.9
we said that if there were to be red lines
00:27.7
or kind of point of no returns
00:31.5
which we'll discuss in a separate episode
00:33.2
mahabang usapan yan
00:34.3
but the other one will be
00:36.9
yung paglaya ni Leila Delima
00:38.5
something that you and I have been discussing
00:41.2
ayun na, mag-credit grabbing na tayo
00:43.5
ako, ako, I give you credit for credit
00:46.3
pagdating dun sa argument na
00:48.2
Lisa Arneta could be modernized
00:50.0
I think you were ahead of the curve
00:51.4
dito naman sa Asian
00:52.4
ang Leila Delima as being potentially freed within the year
00:54.9
this is something that I also discussed with Leloy earlier this year
00:57.8
so we are more or less on the same page
01:04.3
on the human level muna tayo
01:08.8
of course I'm here out of town
01:11.0
dahil I had to visit my Lola
01:12.3
so I couldn't visit Senator Delima kanina
01:14.8
Kamusta si Senator Delima?
01:16.6
Can you please give us some updates?
01:20.3
How was your feeling?
01:21.1
How was your conversation?
01:23.6
Give us the human side muna
01:24.9
kind of reportage
01:26.0
Alagang masayang-masaya
01:30.0
nakulong siya ng almost 7 years
01:33.3
muntik pa siyang mapatay sa kulungan
01:37.4
Yung hostage taker niya
01:39.3
just a few inches from her face
01:44.3
Nasa kulungan na siya
01:47.4
medyo malicious yung interpretation po
01:49.5
sa incident na yan
01:51.1
Nag-plant ako ng bad seed doon
01:58.2
nung nakulong siya
02:00.5
eh nilalapastangan siya sa kongreso
02:04.3
nilalapastangan siya sa social media
02:06.7
hindi lang yung kanyang pagkatao
02:08.5
yung kanyang pagkababae
02:11.3
Napaka dumi nung ginawa sa kanya
02:15.4
kung ano-ano mga pinagsasabi
02:17.4
pinagtatawanan siya
02:18.6
mga kongresista eh na
02:20.1
yung pinagtatawanan siya
02:23.4
nung nakulong siya
02:25.2
ay siya isang senador
02:26.4
she was a senator
02:32.1
inabutan niya yung COVID
02:34.3
inabutan niya yung COVID
02:39.3
even bago nagkaroon ng COVID
02:42.1
ang higpit na nung
02:44.0
nung pagbisita sa kanya
02:45.2
ako ilang beses akong
02:46.3
napigilang bumisita
02:51.1
lalo na nung panahon ng COVID
02:53.9
ang lungkot-lungkot mo sa kulungan
02:57.6
marami siyang mga kaibigan
03:01.1
habang siya ay nakakulong
03:02.4
na hindi man lang niya
03:06.2
dahil very close siya
03:16.7
kanyang pagkakulong
03:19.1
ang daming layers
03:21.7
na nangyari sa kanya
03:23.5
tapos ilang beses din
03:30.9
na akala mo makakalabas ka na
03:33.3
tapos biglang napigilan
03:34.4
imagine mo yung depression
03:36.1
o psychological torture
03:37.6
na meron mo na maranasan
03:40.3
isang strong woman
03:43.9
ito yung bibistahin ko siya
03:46.8
tawa na lang kami
03:48.6
minsan dinadala ko siya
03:50.2
ng mga paborito niyang pagkain
03:53.2
pero nakita mo yung spirits niya
03:57.9
siguro kung tayong dalawa
04:00.1
ng gano'ng klaseng katinde
04:02.7
gagano'ng gano'n na
04:10.6
at saka maaliwalas siya
04:11.8
pinag-usapan namin
04:12.7
I mean to soy season
04:17.0
and then we're talking about
04:18.6
something we're gonna talk about
04:20.4
and when I see Mandela
04:24.5
na nakikita mo na
04:25.9
kaka-relate ko siya
04:26.6
kasi Mandela was like
04:30.8
eventually the arc of history
04:37.6
nagsisigar ako ha
04:39.9
then sinaselebrate ko
04:43.2
na ako ay mag-isa namang
04:47.4
na nagsiselebrate
04:48.5
kaya ito yung paraan ko
04:49.9
para mag-selebrate
04:51.7
mamaya na tayo mag-maritest
04:54.9
ibang mag-test na yan
04:56.7
makirecord na natin
04:59.3
nag-drama naman ako
05:06.4
so di lang naman ako yun
05:09.6
binisita ko yung lola ko
05:14.3
pag sinahin mo mga
05:16.1
yung isa capital R
05:19.1
yun yung linawi natin
05:24.9
, por supuesto mi amigo
05:27.9
amigo amigo amigo
05:29.9
let's get back to this
05:34.9
can you give your background
05:38.9
of course you were together
05:39.9
in the cabinet of President Aquino
05:40.9
but did you know her
05:46.9
nung commission on human rights
05:53.9
commission on human rights
05:57.9
at tuwing may problema
06:00.9
dahil si Eta kasi
06:02.9
kesa doon sa chairman
06:03.9
ng commission on human rights
06:04.9
ako yung pila patawag niya
06:05.9
para kausapin si Eta
06:07.9
yun yung aking role
06:10.9
middleman ka pala
06:17.9
tapos yung vice chair
06:25.9
yung kausap ni Pinoy
06:29.9
ako yung nagpo full crew
06:30.9
dito sa strong women
06:35.9
so doon ko nakilala si
06:38.9
election lawyer yan eh
06:41.9
kakaunti lang yan eh
06:42.9
yung election lawyers
06:50.9
I had a conference
06:55.9
yung kanyang abogado
07:01.9
ang sabi ko kay Laila
07:03.9
wag ka na munang bumalik
07:05.9
obserbahan mo muna
07:07.9
dahil marami rong mga
07:09.9
yung mga kalaban mo na
07:11.9
at saka sociopath
07:12.9
sila yung may hawak
07:16.9
baka ipakulong ka
07:18.9
sinabi ako siya ng gano'n
07:19.9
ang sabi ni Laila
07:20.9
wala naman ako nagawang masama eh
07:21.9
bakit ako matatakot
07:23.9
bumalik ng Pilipinas
07:26.9
to make a long story short
07:28.9
at winalanghiya siya
07:29.9
habang siya ay nakakulong
07:32.9
pero winahangin nga ako siya noon eh
07:38.9
mas mahalaga sa kanya
07:39.9
ah hindi itong ah
07:43.9
mas mahalaga sa kanya
07:45.9
at hanggang ngayon
07:47.9
ng napaka horrible
07:50.9
ay gano'n pa rin yung kanyang
07:53.9
yung kanyang puso
07:55.9
hindi pa rin siya
07:59.9
nakakapangliit siya eh
08:01.9
dinadalaw mo siya
08:02.9
dinadalaw ko siya
08:03.9
pag dinadalaw natin
08:04.9
nakakapangliit eh
08:12.9
sa mga kanila mga problema
08:13.9
sa kanila mga travails
08:14.9
eh tinuturo ko si Laila
08:16.9
yung mga problema nyo
08:18.9
tingnan nyo si Laila
08:23.9
dalhin sa akin yung mga problema nyo
08:28.9
sa mga organizer namin
08:30.9
asshole ako eh no?
08:31.9
kaya yun yung brutal
08:32.9
hindi pa naman sinasabi
08:33.9
na lagi ako asshole
08:34.9
kaya yun yung brutal
08:36.9
kaya yun yung brutal
08:38.9
I completely agree with you Ronald
08:42.9
this is not to take away from anyone
08:44.9
the Nobel Peace Prize
08:45.9
number one for me
08:46.9
in the Philippines
08:47.9
that dapat ma-nominate
08:49.9
the level of harassment
08:52.9
that she had to deal with
08:54.9
I actually met her
08:57.9
just few weeks before
08:58.9
yung black-off sa kanya
09:03.9
she was very nice
09:05.9
she was interviewed by Christian Amanpour
09:06.9
and then ako yung interview after her
09:07.9
or something like that
09:08.9
and then she jokingly said
09:10.9
I saw what you said
09:12.9
I also saw what you said
09:14.9
alam mo nangasaran lang kami
09:17.9
and then after what happened to her
09:19.9
nagkaroon ng debate
09:20.9
among many observers
09:29.9
she went after Digong
09:31.9
at the worst possible time
09:32.9
because this is the time
09:33.9
when Digong's approval
09:36.9
eto yung rallying around the flag
09:38.9
emergency situation
09:42.9
yung hunch ng iba
09:44.9
and I think this is also
09:45.9
what was in my heart
09:46.9
that there should always be
09:54.9
you get what I'm saying
09:56.9
yung mga pictures ng Nazi
09:57.9
period na lahat nakaganyan
09:58.9
tapos isa lang hindi na ganyan
10:00.9
alam mo yung mga ganun
10:02.9
na tumayo sa arap ng
10:08.9
there should be always
10:09.9
that one crazy one
10:10.9
which history will show
10:11.9
was the only sane one
10:13.9
when everyone was either
10:17.9
for what they were
10:19.9
di ba last year nga
10:20.9
di ba ito yung ano
10:21.9
yung simbolo ng opposition
10:23.9
yung that one handed
10:26.9
she was the one eh
10:27.9
I think she really embodied that eh
10:29.9
so for her to take on Duterte
10:32.9
at the moment when Duterte
10:33.9
was the strongest
10:35.9
even by his own popularity
10:37.9
as a kulto na level di ba
10:39.9
kulto level na yung popularity niya
10:41.9
this was really where she proved her courage eh
10:45.9
it's even appropriate to talk about
10:47.9
political strategy
10:50.9
because this was a moment
10:51.9
of moral conviction
10:52.9
I don't know Ronald
10:53.9
how do you read that
10:55.9
history will vindicate her
10:56.9
history will show
10:57.9
there should always be that
10:59.9
who raises the hand
11:00.9
just when everyone was like that
11:02.9
she goes like that
11:04.9
yun lang yun lang eh
11:05.9
tama yung sinabi mo
11:09.9
dapat may magnominate sa kanya
11:11.9
sa Nobel Peace Prize
11:13.9
kahit hindi manalo no
11:14.9
not to take away from Maria Ressa
11:18.9
it's not either or
11:20.9
ikalawa sabi ko nga sa interview kanina
11:22.9
ito yung kanyang Mandela moment
11:24.9
ito yung kanyang Aung San Suu Kyi moment
11:27.9
without the problems of Rohingya
11:30.9
ito yung moment niya
11:35.9
yung kanyang political narrative
11:40.9
maging very compelling
11:42.9
dahil alam mo naman marami tayong mga kababayan
11:44.9
lalo na sa kabataan
11:46.9
medyo disenchanted na sa lahat ng nangyayari
11:49.9
disillusion na sa lahat ng nangyayari
11:50.9
wala sila makitang leadership
11:53.9
na gagayahin nila
11:57.9
meron tayong lost generation eh
11:58.9
na kung hindi maharness
12:04.9
yung kanilang optimism
12:11.9
yung future natin will be very bleak
12:15.9
isa siya sa mga tao
12:17.9
na pwedeng gawin yan eh
12:19.9
sabi ko nga kanina
12:23.9
ina exemplify niya
12:25.9
more than any other
12:29.9
yung triumph ng integrity over cynicism
12:33.9
kaya napaka cynical ng ating political landscape
12:35.9
ina epitomize niya
12:37.9
yung triumph ng hope
12:39.9
against desperation
12:41.9
dahil ang dami ko nakakausap pa na eh
12:44.9
desperate na sila eh
12:47.9
biro mo yung congress mo
12:56.9
apat na ex-convict
12:59.9
malapit na magkapatid ulit
13:02.9
merong number one
13:03.9
na ang galing magsuklay ng bigot eh
13:06.9
meron ka pang isa na
13:07.9
gaganong ganon no
13:19.9
dahil nga dinemonize siya
13:22.9
habang siya ay nakakulong
13:24.9
ngayon pwede niyang i-reinvent yung kanyang sarili
13:28.9
pwede niyang i-harness
13:29.9
yung mga energies
13:31.9
nung mga volunteers
13:33.9
alimbawa yung pink wave
13:35.9
siya yung pwede mag-harness dyan
13:38.9
balik na sa lokal eh
13:40.9
mag-aspire for national leadership
13:42.9
well pwede siya yan
13:43.9
not necessarily to run
13:45.9
pero para talaga maging
13:47.9
leader nitong mga
13:49.9
reform oriented youth
14:03.9
sa nakikita nila ngayon sa kanilang paligid
14:05.9
siya yung pwede niyan eh
14:09.9
pagkatapos siya magpahinga
14:10.9
pagkatapos siya mag-retreat
14:14.9
babalik sa labanan yan
14:16.9
nung nakakuluha siya
14:17.9
hindi siya gumuho eh
14:18.9
eh ngayon pa na nakalayaan siya
14:22.9
before we go to the next move
14:23.9
I know medyo sabihin ng iba
14:24.9
ang kapal na naman mukha niya
14:28.9
I think she has already
14:29.9
a special place in our history
14:31.9
but I think she can even play
14:32.9
a more important role
14:33.9
in the years to come
14:35.9
she has proven the metal of her
14:36.9
not only leadership
14:37.9
and political leadership
14:38.9
but also metal of her
14:39.9
courage of conviction
14:40.9
but before we go to the next move
14:41.9
but before we go there
14:44.9
go back to my request
14:45.9
can you give me a reportage
14:46.9
kamusta sa korte kanina
14:48.9
what did you talk about
14:53.9
like can you just tell me
14:54.9
a little bit about it
14:55.9
para yung mga audience natin
14:56.9
ma-appreciate nila o
14:58.9
well marami doon sa mga nandun
15:12.9
yung nakikita namin
15:15.9
hindi naman dinitiinan ang gobyerno
15:17.9
katulad nung panahon ni Digong
15:19.9
yung justice system natin
15:21.9
parang wala kami masyadong na-monitor na
15:24.9
katulad nung nangyari
15:26.9
nung panahon ni Justice Aguirre
15:29.9
nung panahon ni President Duterte
15:33.9
umamin yung mga testigo
15:34.9
na sila ay pin-resume
15:38.9
na false testimony
15:39.9
drug lord yung ibang
15:51.9
doon mo makikita na
15:52.9
yung sinasabi nila
15:57.9
nakatira sa ibang planeta
15:59.9
yung mga nagsasabi nun
16:02.9
pero in spite of that
16:04.9
na-overcome ni Laila
16:10.9
kaya nga very optimistic
16:13.9
pinakita ko nga sa'yo
16:14.9
yung mga memes namin eh
16:18.9
kagamot na hinahamon na namin
16:23.9
kasi I know marami excited
16:24.9
I could see in the comments already
16:25.9
kamusta si Laila mismo
16:28.9
how you had the conversation
16:31.9
can you tell us a little bit about that
16:32.9
well sabi ko nga masaya
16:35.9
pero iyak din siya ng iyak sa tua
16:38.9
iyak siya ng iyak sa tua
16:40.9
doon sa presscon niya
16:47.9
isa rin close friend niya
16:53.9
mga kaibigan niya
16:54.9
nandun yung kanyang mga
16:56.9
nandun yung mga supporters niya
16:57.9
talagang very emotional
16:58.9
yung moment kanina
17:01.9
nawawala yung kanyang pagod
17:05.9
nandun yung mga supporters niya
17:06.9
talagang very emotional
17:07.9
dahil doon sa kanyang
17:08.9
dahil doon sa kanyang
17:09.9
very compelling moment
17:10.9
dahil doon sa kanyang
17:11.9
na ang tawag ko nga ay
17:13.9
na ang tawag ko nga ay
17:18.9
and what's next for her
17:20.9
I'm getting emotional
17:21.9
I'll just go back to the court case
17:24.9
I wanna get your insight on this
17:26.9
quick vlog kanina
17:27.9
before going to my Lola
17:28.9
and checking on her
17:30.9
one of the reasons why
17:31.9
ang tagal niya dyan sa
17:33.9
and you and I visited her
17:34.9
while she was in detention
17:37.9
there were six judges
17:38.9
inhibited in her case
17:41.9
nag-avail ng biglang
17:46.9
yung iba nag-release
17:51.9
there was one case
17:53.9
who's the one in charge
17:56.9
who actually went
17:58.9
of one of her cases
17:59.9
things were moving
18:00.9
in the right direction
18:09.9
bumalik si Judge Guito
18:11.9
things are moving
18:12.9
in the right direction
18:14.9
what's going on there
18:15.9
is this like coincidence
18:16.9
or is this a little bit
18:17.9
more than coincidence
18:21.9
but I just wanna be
18:22.9
brutally honest about
18:23.9
this sounds weird to me
18:26.9
the can down the road
18:29.9
okay judge suddenly
18:32.9
what's going on here?
18:34.9
may isang judge kasi
18:37.9
conflict of interest
18:52.9
yung judge na yan
19:05.9
dahil bawal yun eh
19:14.9
ayaw nilang mapressure
19:23.9
may mga career yan
19:24.9
may mga iba't-ibang
19:26.9
galing sa gobyerno
19:27.9
kahit sabihin mo na
19:29.9
independent yung judiciary
19:30.9
in the real world
19:37.8
Ayaw nila na malagay sa kasaysayan
19:40.3
na sobrang kontrabida.
19:43.2
At the same time,
19:44.2
ayaw nilang labanan
19:45.2
yung powers that be.
19:48.1
So, naginghibit na lang sila
19:52.8
early retirement pa nga.
19:58.1
Wala masyadong pressure na idein.
20:02.7
Nakita natin yung nangyari.
20:04.2
Hindi na ako magsasalita
20:16.5
Sorry, I didn't want to put you in trouble.
20:18.0
I just wanted to point that out.
20:20.2
A little bit about
20:25.3
Kasi sasabihin naman ito.
20:27.2
Kung malang kalalaan,
20:28.9
hindi dapat pinalaan.
20:34.3
ng ating judicial system.
20:36.4
Yan yung summary.
20:39.2
We're talking about the system.
20:40.4
We're not talking about specific persons.
20:42.3
Just to be clear,
20:43.3
all due respect to all the judges we're talking.
20:45.0
We're talking about the problems with the system.
20:46.8
At sabi ko naman, Ronald,
20:47.9
in fairness naman sa mga judges natin,
20:50.1
napaka-congested yung courts natin.
20:51.7
Like 744 cases a year.
20:54.2
Andami natin pre-trial detainees.
20:56.2
Congested ang penitentiary system.
20:58.0
Sobrang maliit ng budget.
20:59.4
So, there's a systemic problem.
21:01.3
So, we're not here to
21:02.5
cast aspersions on one judge or the other.
21:05.3
But what I can say is,
21:06.2
I'm very confident about this current judge.
21:09.0
Based on the information I have from friends
21:12.0
about the operations of the justice system.
21:14.8
So, we just have to spell it out.
21:16.3
Kasi kung hindi natin na-mention yan,
21:17.9
it's like we're pretending we're in Denmark.
21:20.1
We're not in Scandinavia, alright?
21:21.8
Let's just not pretend.
21:22.7
We're not even in the US.
21:26.7
So, we just have to be brutally honest about this thing.
21:29.4
Now, why is it taking so long?
21:30.6
Why did it take so long?
21:32.2
it's scary yan, di ba, Ronald?
21:33.7
You can be a completely innocent person
21:35.7
and you can be kept behind bars for years, years.
21:39.5
coterminous with a certain administration of system.
21:43.0
because no one just wants to take your case.
21:45.7
you know what I'm saying?
21:46.2
Like, they just kick the can down the road.
21:49.7
It's a detention.
21:51.5
Tignan mo, tignan mo Big R, no?
21:53.8
Tignan mo Big R, no?
21:55.9
Laila was a former chair
21:57.8
of the Commission on Human Rights.
22:02.2
Dati siyang sekretary
22:03.4
ng Department of Justice.
22:05.7
Dati siyang sitting senator.
22:08.8
Muntik pa siyang mapasok sa Supreme Court.
22:12.3
Natalo lang siya by one vote sa JBC.
22:15.7
So, ibig sabihin,
22:17.8
yung babaeng yan.
22:19.8
Kung yan ay kaya gawin sa kanya,
22:22.2
paano ba yung mga katulad natin
22:23.7
na maliliit na tao?
22:25.7
Mga small R, big R.
22:27.3
Maliit pa rin pa rin.
22:29.0
Paano ba yung mga small R?
22:30.7
Paano ba yung mga
22:31.6
Paano ba yung mga small R?
22:31.6
Paano ba yung mga small R?
22:31.7
Paano ba yung mga small R?
22:32.0
Paano ba yung mga small R?
22:33.1
Yun yung nakakatakot
22:34.5
dito sa sistema na ito.
22:36.8
Ayaw natin magbigay ng aspersions
22:39.0
o sa ibang judges.
22:41.0
without mentioning names,
22:42.7
eh, isang katutak na mga duwaga
22:44.2
tsaka walang integrity pa rin
22:45.6
yung mga judges na yan.
22:48.6
But we always have one or two
22:51.2
good judges here and there.
22:53.2
Okay, let's move forward
22:54.1
kasi ayaw kong makasuhan tayong dalawa.
22:57.4
Just trying to get people free.
22:59.3
Hopefully, the next thing is
23:00.5
yung case naman ni
23:03.3
yung E1 na case sa kanya.
23:05.1
Hopefully, we'll see also
23:05.9
some resolution next time.
23:08.4
But let's go back to this.
23:09.9
Inaalas ka ko nga si Walden kanina, eh.
23:11.7
O, mamaya, mamaya.
23:13.4
ikaw naman yung susunod na makukulong.
23:15.4
Nako, wag kang ganyan.
23:20.4
Kaya sabi mo kay Walden,
23:21.5
magpakabayit siya sa ano.
23:26.9
Kung sakali makulong siya,
23:28.0
sa dabaw siya makukulong, eh.
23:30.6
Sakali mo ako muna.
23:34.2
Tinatakot ko siya kanina.
23:35.4
Tinatakot ko lang.
23:37.6
O, yung mga kaibigan natin
23:40.2
Eto, eto, Sir Ronald.
23:41.7
Balikan natin ito, ha.
23:42.9
So, how was your conversation
23:45.0
with Layla herself?
23:46.4
Let's talk about Layla herself.
23:48.9
I mean, to the degree
23:49.7
that you can talk about.
23:51.8
Alaskahan pa rin kami.
23:52.8
Minta kasi inaalaskahan ko siya.
23:56.9
Pano sa cabinet meeting, no?
24:00.1
hindi naman lahat siya
24:01.0
magkakaibigan, no?
24:03.2
nakipagbeso-beso sa lahat.
24:06.0
masyadong close sa kanya.
24:07.2
Kaya ang tawag ko sa kanya,
24:09.3
Tawa siya ng tawa.
24:12.0
Kaya siya, Sir Ronald,
24:14.1
kasulad mo ng asshole, eh.
24:15.4
I call a spade a spade, no?
24:18.1
eh, talagang kakatayin kita, no?
24:20.6
Si Layla, mabait, eh.
24:22.7
O, mabait talaga si mami.
24:23.8
Pero strong woman.
24:25.5
Mabait, pero very strong woman, no?
24:28.0
Hindi na tulad natin
24:30.9
pero mahina na mga lalaki.
24:34.1
Hindi ko hindi naman
24:40.7
proud na proud ako.
24:42.7
kung anong kaduwagan
24:44.7
ng ating mga politiko,
24:46.1
ating mga lalaking politiko,
24:49.8
sa conference ng ADR,
24:51.6
Yung mga Indian Commodore
24:54.1
Pag-upong pag-upukot,
24:55.6
taas kagad ako ng kamay,
24:56.7
tanong kagad ako, diba?
24:58.0
Hindi lang yun, no?
25:00.1
Dating show natin,
25:02.1
impolite ako, eh.
25:08.2
medyo Karen din ako,
25:12.0
naalala ko isang time,
25:12.9
wag po yung show sa TV5,
25:14.5
sana malapit na magka-show
25:15.8
tayo dun dalawa, diba?
25:19.4
15 minutes na ako
25:20.5
nagsasalita sa ETKA,
25:22.0
pagpasok pa lang ni Ronald,
25:23.5
may question siya kagad sa akin,
25:28.0
Alam mo yung mga,
25:28.7
ano yung kasama sa dormitory,
25:31.1
tapos biglang gigising,
25:32.2
nakikiusap na siya sa conversation.
25:35.3
saan to galing, pare?
25:39.3
I'm not perfect like you,
25:41.2
So, sorry na lang.
25:44.1
Dapat ganun sabihin mo,
25:48.1
she's in good spirits,
25:52.8
talagang bisitahin yung kanyang nanay.
25:56.5
tsaka 90 plus na.
25:58.0
Kaya balak niyang pumunta sa Bicol,
26:02.5
or the day after,
26:04.5
Pahingalan siya na konti,
26:05.5
tapos punta na siya roon.
26:06.5
Kaya huwag na natin siya masyadong gambalain.
26:09.9
we're just showing,
26:10.7
we're just sending good vibes.
26:13.5
I believe in that.
26:15.1
kung ano naliyon mo,
26:16.0
kung wala kang naliyon,
26:16.6
I think good energy exists.
26:19.1
It's a spiritual thing.
26:20.3
if you send good vibes,
26:21.9
makafil talagang ni Sen. Dalima yan.
26:23.8
Because she always told me dati,
26:25.1
nung nandun kami.
26:26.4
she writes letter,
26:28.8
pangit kasi yung sulat ko,
26:30.1
parang Lord of the Rings.
26:31.2
Pero I think sa kanya lang.
26:32.3
Sa kanya lang ako nang sulat.
26:33.3
Pagdala ka nilang handwritten.
26:34.6
and then nag-reply ako,
26:36.6
Ang hindi ko lang alam,
26:37.6
kung mababasa niya yung sinusulat ko sa kanya.
26:41.2
Ang problema ko lang,
26:43.1
kanina magkasama kami,
26:44.3
hindi ko sigurado kung andal ako
26:45.9
ay positive vibes.
26:49.1
lagi kasi nandala ako yung mga
26:50.8
ka-awake ko na asshole eh.
26:52.9
marami akong negative vibes na dala.
26:58.2
Pwede lang picture niyo eh.
26:59.7
Nagpagal na kami.
27:01.8
I like your shirt ah.
27:04.2
favorite color ko yan.
27:05.4
Dalawa yung purple.
27:06.9
good vibes yung color mo palang,
27:08.8
medyo melon fresh.
27:11.3
Ano na kasi sa Channel 5,
27:13.4
yung paborito mong channel,
27:15.4
mag-shoot daw eh.
27:17.1
Hindi ko yung paborito,
27:19.2
Mayroon ni Edwin Gao kanina.
27:23.5
bakit ako iniimitan niyo rito?
27:25.0
E, mayroon kayong
27:26.3
magaling na political analyst.
27:28.6
Yun dapat ang imbitahin nyo.
27:29.8
Ay, naka-overwork na ako.
27:31.2
hindi na namin siya ma-reach eh.
27:32.6
Dapat siya doon na siyang
27:35.7
Hindi, kaya ang kinuha nila
27:38.8
Ano yung nakita ko?
27:40.2
Tayo't nalawan ni Sasot
27:41.3
ang pinukuha ngayon eh.
27:42.2
Pinagsabay sila ni Trillanes.
27:44.9
saka si Trillanes.
27:47.0
saka isang macho.
27:50.2
talaga ito si Sir Trillanes talaga.
27:52.4
Malapit na ma-appoint yan.
27:54.2
Okay, balikan natin ito.
27:55.7
Balikan natin ito.
27:56.6
Balikan natin ito.
27:59.7
more or less our expectation,
28:02.2
we correctly saw her being free
28:03.9
sooner than later
28:05.1
before the end of the year.
28:06.7
I was thinking closer to Christmas,
28:08.5
siguro, because of Christmas.
28:09.9
So Christmas came early in that sense.
28:15.0
we're hoping that things,
28:15.8
if they run their course,
28:17.0
mag-clear na lahat.
28:18.7
two down to 2020.
28:21.9
nung tinignan ko yung
28:25.2
parang hindi siya
28:30.8
Parang almost final na yung decision.
28:34.4
parang siyang judgment.
28:36.0
Oo, parang almost pa-dismiss na.
28:38.4
It's there, almost.
28:39.2
Hindi siya simple nga,
28:40.0
bail position na dapat baig silang.
28:45.5
yan ang pwede nilang gamitin
28:46.9
doon sa iba pa niyang mga kaso.
28:49.6
Ano, yung solicitor general,
28:52.0
nag-file pa ng motion,
28:53.3
for reconsideration,
28:54.4
doon sa acquittal niya eh.
28:55.6
Sa court of appeals eh.
28:57.7
may ganun pang kaso.
28:59.3
kung babasahin mo yung
29:07.8
magandang decision yung kanina.
29:10.2
Dahil maraming sinagot
29:11.5
na hindi simple yung bail decision.
29:14.4
Kung hindi yung mga arguments
29:16.6
for her acquittal.
29:19.4
Yun yung mahalaga
29:23.3
sa mga interviews niya kanina,
29:25.2
ay dumalabas yung kanyang pangil.
29:29.4
simple nga galing lang sa impyerno.
29:39.4
yung mga gumawa nito sa kanya,
29:44.1
it's not about revenge eh.
29:46.1
It's about justice eh.
29:47.2
No, this is about,
29:49.0
this is about justice.
29:50.1
Dahil, sa mga kanina,
29:50.6
kung kayang gawin sa kanya ito,
29:55.3
sa maraming taraniwang tao.
29:58.2
That position never again
30:00.4
Now, before we talk,
30:02.1
before we go to that part,
30:04.2
I think you're already implying
30:05.4
magaling ka talagang kahost.
30:08.0
let me just give an excerpt
30:10.9
pinag-usapan natin kanina,
30:12.2
ito yung sinabi sa decision.
30:13.5
The totality of the evidence
30:14.8
presented by the prosecution,
30:17.5
the court is of firm view,
30:20.4
and holds that accused dilemma,
30:23.2
hindi lang siya nag-isa,
30:24.0
Bukayo, Dayan, Sanchez, and Dera,
30:26.3
should be allowed to post bail
30:28.6
this is important,
30:29.7
the prosecution was not able
30:31.6
to discharge its burden
30:32.7
of establishing that
30:33.6
the guilt of the said accused
30:38.0
Like to put it nicely,
30:43.1
yung mga usapang kalsada.
30:46.0
Medyo barbaro na kayo.
30:48.2
Balik kayo sa drawing board.
30:50.6
Mag-aral ko niyo.
30:51.3
Mag-aral ko niyo ng batas.
30:54.2
Parang gano'n yung decision eh.
30:56.8
huwag natin isultun yung kwentong barbaro.
30:58.6
Medyo may basiyan pa
30:59.5
yung mga kwentong barbaro.
31:00.7
Marami akong naka-usap.
31:01.5
Yung mga barbaro ko,
31:02.7
naku, magaling mag-usap natin.
31:04.6
ng mga R&R show natin eh.
31:06.7
Miso nagwa-barbero ka,
31:08.7
Aba, magaling ka ba?
31:11.4
Pati yung on-close.
31:13.2
Lalo na kung alam nila,
31:15.0
ang kanilang ginugupitan.
31:17.0
Maraming open forum dyan.
31:19.8
Tapos, pansin ko,
31:20.8
yung ibang barbaro
31:21.4
nakikinig din dyan
31:22.4
sa mga usap namin.
31:28.7
Focus ka muna dito.
31:32.2
Si Claire Llamas,
31:33.3
let's talk about the next step.
31:34.6
Let's talk about the next step.
31:36.5
yung mga DDS sumasali na dito.
31:42.0
Bigyan natin ng...
31:44.6
sa isang interview ko,
31:46.0
may mga DDS na nagsasabi.
31:47.9
Na walang kinalaman dyan
31:49.8
sa kaso ni Laila Delima,
31:51.2
si President Duterte.
31:53.3
Na walang kinalaman.
31:54.0
So, ang ginawa namin,
31:56.0
sa paborito mong TV station,
31:59.1
yung mga statements
32:00.5
ni ex-President Duterte.
32:04.5
Mayroon siya, montage.
32:05.8
kailangan magsalita.
32:09.5
So, yung mga kaibigan mong trolls
32:15.1
hindi sila nabigyan ng script eh.
32:18.7
hindi mo nagsasalita.
32:20.6
Meltdown mode na sila ngayon.
32:22.5
So, eto, eto, eto, eto.
32:25.5
what's the next steps?
32:29.1
I hope, you know,
32:30.5
spends time with her mom,
32:32.4
Let's say, hopefully,
32:33.4
by second quarter of next year,
32:35.7
she's fully recovered
32:36.9
in every sense of the word.
32:38.2
She made up time.
32:39.8
Okay, let me say this.
32:41.7
Actually, alam mo naman,
32:43.0
makulit tayong dalawa.
32:45.0
gagawa ng task force,
32:46.8
special task force
32:50.2
yung human rights situation
32:53.4
potentially in coordination
32:55.6
complementarity and all.
32:58.1
in charge of that
32:59.3
will be no less than
33:00.4
the former CHR chief,
33:04.8
Nobel Prize prize
33:06.1
dapat manalo soon,
33:10.0
What do you think about that idea?
33:11.1
You think it's too crazy?
33:12.1
It's a good idea.
33:13.3
It's a good idea.
33:14.8
Pero, sabi ko nga,
33:16.8
marami pang dadaanan
33:18.4
na proseso si Leila.
33:20.6
After midterms na ito,
33:27.5
sa mga interviews niya,
33:30.0
yung mga may gawalan nito sa kanya.
33:32.5
Hindi lang dahil ginawa ito sa kanya,
33:34.8
dahil it's the system eh.
33:39.7
hindi pwedeng pabayaan.
33:42.2
matataas na tao ng gobyerno
33:51.9
Yan, hindi pwedeng palampasin yan.
33:53.7
Lines should be drawn.
33:56.2
napansin ko sa Pilipinas ah.
33:58.1
I'm very careful when I'm Karen.
34:00.2
itong sikat na tao,
34:02.8
tapos pinagbigyan.
34:04.2
Next thing you know,
34:05.6
Parang forget na yung issue.
34:08.1
Philippine Airlines,
34:10.0
nagreklamo si ganito,
34:11.1
tapos hindi na siya magsalita.
34:14.6
Philippine Airlines,
34:15.1
thank you very much.
34:17.1
Ang gusto natin mangyari
34:18.3
is that I'm happy
34:19.1
for Senator Dilima.
34:20.2
I want her to spend time
34:21.1
with her family and loved ones,
34:22.3
but we want to make sure
34:23.0
this will never again
34:24.3
happen to anyone.
34:25.6
As you absolutely
34:27.7
if this could happen
34:28.5
to a Senator of Republic,
34:29.8
someone as high profile as her,
34:31.2
she was in the list
34:34.8
this is no joke, right?
34:36.3
If you do that to her,
34:37.6
and the way they did it,
34:39.0
it's not only what was done,
34:40.0
the way it was done,
34:42.1
as in kabastosan,
34:43.6
complete barbarism,
34:45.1
Yung mga black ops
34:46.0
na ginawa sa kanya,
34:47.9
have known better
34:50.4
This should never
34:53.8
and there's no one
34:55.4
to lead that effort.
34:58.5
There should be a task force,
34:59.6
there should be a movement.
35:00.9
Talagang durugin dapat
35:02.1
yung ganitong kultura
35:07.5
meron isang senador
35:08.5
na papuri siya ng papuri
35:12.9
Na puro siya preces,
35:14.6
Pag labas sa social media
35:17.3
ano bang ginawa mo
35:18.2
noong panahon mo?
35:19.6
Bakit ngayon ka rin
35:20.9
Bakit noong panahon ni Girong
35:22.0
tahimik na tahimik ka?
35:23.5
Hindi mo man lang
35:25.0
yung kapwa mo babae.
35:26.7
Kapwa mo senadora
35:29.2
kilala ko siya yan.
35:33.4
medyo yung tao rin ngayon,
35:35.0
medyo nagigising na,
35:37.3
At hindi pa palampasin
35:38.9
yung mga panayan,
35:40.8
yung mga pagiging
35:43.5
Pagiging ipokrita na yan,
35:46.4
Kaya nga binalatan ko
35:47.6
yung isang mga ipokrita
35:50.7
dahil sa isang show,
35:52.1
sabi ni former spokesperson
35:55.7
na tinatanggap niya
36:04.4
pag makikinig kayo
36:07.1
you should take it
36:08.2
not with a grain of salt,
36:10.3
but with a ton of salt,
36:14.5
di sa mga binabalatan
36:16.4
ng mga congressista.
36:19.5
hindi ako nakapagpigil eh.
36:20.7
Hindi ako nakapagpigil.
36:22.3
isa sa weakness ko yan eh.
36:25.0
di ka pa nakamukha
36:33.4
ano akala mo sa amin?
36:34.7
We have been watching
36:36.5
you said during Digong
36:37.6
na pang-interest mo
36:40.5
lahat ng mga ka-DDS
36:43.5
So yung isa kong natutunan
36:49.2
Yan yung isa natutunan ko
36:54.1
Hindi naman lahat sa China
36:56.4
ire-reject mo na.
36:57.3
Dapat meron ka rin
36:58.9
Katulad ng wolf diplomacy.
37:02.5
It's a justification
37:03.2
for assholes like me.
37:06.1
We need monsters.
37:07.2
We need good monsters.
37:10.4
nagdama Ronald eh.
37:12.0
Kasi ako yung mapait,
37:13.5
I'll balance you out.
37:14.9
Sabi nga sa akin ni Maria Reza
37:17.2
doon sa isang forum ng Raptors.
37:21.2
we shouldn't be the monsters
37:23.1
we are trying to destroy.
37:25.4
Sabi ni Maria Reza sa akin.
37:28.9
you don't have to be the monster.
37:30.6
You can hire monsters like me.
37:33.7
he was not talking about you.
37:35.0
He was talking about themselves
37:37.0
given na ikaw monster ka.
37:39.5
Napaka presumptuous mo naman
37:42.2
na ikaw yung sinabi.
37:43.7
Tasama sa weakness ko yan,
37:49.7
bago tayo mag-credit grab
37:52.0
In fairness naman,
37:54.0
prognosticated on this
37:55.9
for the past year and so on.
37:57.3
Masaya ako na ikaw
37:59.8
ito nangyayari na itong.
38:02.0
before we end on this episode
38:03.4
and go to the next episode
38:04.4
which is as exciting.
38:08.8
ng mga team investigation
38:11.1
Alam mo naman ako,
38:15.7
Bago tayo pumunta sa ICC,
38:17.2
yung isa pang favorite topic natin.
38:19.2
Pag-usapan natin ito,
38:23.2
what do you think
38:24.3
is the best way forward?
38:26.6
for that six years,
38:34.9
six years of her life
38:36.2
behind detention,
38:38.9
in the next six years,
38:39.9
she does the next level things,
38:42.3
yung six years na,
38:43.5
In the same way that Mandela
38:47.4
but what Mandela did
38:48.5
in the next 10 to 20 years,
38:50.1
pawing-pawing niya
38:50.8
yung 30 years na nawala sa kanya,
38:53.5
I don't want to put too much pressure
38:57.4
she is in a historic position,
38:59.8
and that historic position
39:00.8
should be translating something.
39:02.8
what do you want to,
39:04.1
anong gusto mong mangyarap?
39:05.0
If you're a political strategist,
39:06.3
if Leila came to you one day
39:08.1
okay, magpahinga muna ako,
39:09.2
et cetera, et cetera,
39:09.9
pero let's say six months from now,
39:11.7
what should be the next
39:16.3
sabi nga nung paborito mong
39:24.7
at saka si Aimee Marcos
39:31.9
ang ipang tatapat ko dyan,
39:33.4
Mahilig talaga sa
39:36.1
ang ipang tatapat ko dyan,
39:40.7
Mas may utak yan,
39:43.6
kesa doon sa kanyang
39:45.8
ng dalawang babae.
39:48.1
mas may bayag ito
39:48.9
si Leila at saka si Risa
39:52.5
Wala akong sinasabi
39:53.2
na wala siyang bayag,
39:55.5
itong dalawang ito.
40:03.2
ay nasa kangkungan,
40:06.0
hugutin sa kangkungan,
40:15.9
mag-harness dyan,
40:40.8
Na mga nakarma lang.
40:44.3
kailangan mo talaga
40:57.1
Dapat yun ng tunay.
41:00.6
may ka-team up na
41:08.4
Hindi ko inuunahan.
41:09.4
Hindi ko sila inuunahan.
41:10.4
Pinipilit ako magsalita,
41:13.0
Pero yan yung pwede
41:14.4
yan yung pwede nilang
41:16.1
maging political narrative.
41:18.9
Starting next year.
41:19.9
Pagpahingahin naman natin,
41:21.0
mag-celebrate naman
41:23.6
mag-abi ko si Laila,
41:29.2
West Philippine Sea.
41:30.3
nag-alabas din siya.
41:31.9
Kalalabas pa lang.
41:33.3
Kakabaya pa lang,
41:34.6
Parang katulad mo to,
41:43.8
nakisakay na sa paano.
41:48.6
thank you so much on this.
41:50.2
some of the other discussion
41:51.5
we can put it in the next episode.
41:53.5
pag-usapan natin,
41:54.3
favorite mong presidente,
41:58.9
May departure date na ba
42:00.4
yung investigation?
42:03.9
thank you very much.
42:04.7
Maraming salamat,
