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00:00.0
This episode brought to you by Team Manila
00:04.0
Maraming salamat sa t-shirt
00:06.0
West Philippine Sea
00:10.0
Okay, okay, ito na
00:11.6
Let's get down to business
00:19.1
So we just had no less than the Prime Minister
00:22.1
Lee Hsien Lo of Singapore
00:23.5
Kind of telling the Philippines
00:25.2
Sigurado ba kayo dyan?
00:27.9
Mukhang umiinit talaga yung usapin
00:29.6
At yung mga hidwaan natin dyan sa West Philippine Sea
00:32.2
And I can say confidently
00:34.0
Now I'm legit worried
00:36.4
Na something stupid might happen there
00:38.6
Not because of us
00:39.4
But because of the other side
00:40.9
Because yung China
00:41.7
Yung mga bata nila dito
00:43.5
Not doing very well
00:44.6
But also hirap na hirap dyan sa West Philippine Sea
00:47.8
Kasi hindi na gumagana yung mga
00:49.1
Intimidation tactics nila
00:50.7
Palaban na tayo talaga
00:53.5
Wala nang iba sa ASEAN
00:56.4
What's going on here?
00:57.9
Let's start with you
00:58.5
And then let's go to Mark
00:59.4
Anong base niya dito as
01:00.9
Law-abiding citizens?
01:04.4
Sa mga preview sa episode
01:05.9
Tsaka interviews natin
01:09.7
It's scaling up eh
01:10.9
At wala akong nakikita
01:15.1
That it's going to scale down
01:20.9
Tapos water cannon
01:22.7
Tapos yung barriers
01:24.5
Sa Bajo de Masilok
01:26.1
Tapos yung ramming
01:32.7
Tingin ko ay seryoso sila
01:37.2
At gusto talaga nila
01:38.9
Tanggalin niya yan
01:40.6
It's still an active
01:44.1
Which theoretically
01:46.0
Pwedeng ma-invoke
01:48.5
Yung Mutual Defense Treaty
01:49.8
With the Americans
01:53.6
Parang nakataya na
01:55.0
Yung bong-bong government eh
01:59.2
Yung pronouncements
02:01.0
Nang Defense Secretary
02:02.9
This is a creeping invasion
02:05.2
Yung statement ng Coast Guard
02:07.7
But kami hihingi ng permiso
02:10.0
To ply our own backyard
02:13.3
Which is legally correct
02:16.5
I think we're clear about
02:18.0
The legal aspect here
02:19.7
I don't know about Robin Hood
02:20.9
But klarong-klaro
02:22.0
Low tide elevation po
02:24.2
So hindi siya territory
02:25.1
To even be claimed
02:26.0
It falls within our
02:26.9
Exclusive economic zone
02:28.6
Bakuran talaga natin
02:30.1
Walang pakialawan
02:32.1
The realistic problem is
02:33.6
The Chinese have already
02:35.2
Staked their claim
02:38.8
To bully us there
02:40.3
Sa tingin mo Ronald
02:43.2
Assurance from Americans
02:45.0
Diba we keep on saying
02:46.1
BBM is conflict avoidant
02:47.8
And now we're literally
02:49.3
National conflict
02:51.9
Ito yung first time
02:53.3
Halos mga iba't-ibang
02:54.8
Bansa around the world
02:56.1
Are supporting us
02:58.3
Hindi ko sinasabi
02:59.4
Na dapat tumakbot
03:04.4
Not even your time
03:05.9
Aquino administration
03:09.5
Nung panahon namin
03:11.7
Ay hindi pa ganito yung
03:15.1
Para nagkakapaan pa sila eh
03:17.0
At saka yung pivot
03:25.5
Parang symbolic pa lang eh
03:28.3
Nangyayari ngayon lang eh
03:31.5
Of Bongbong Marcos
03:32.9
Which was supposed to be
03:34.3
According to the Chinese
03:39.2
Ngayon pa nangyayari
03:43.9
Five additional aircraft
03:47.9
Aircraft carriers
03:52.0
The most modern submarines
03:55.4
Military exercises
03:59.4
Nangyayari ngayon
04:00.2
Dito sa South China Sea
04:05.3
Ang audience ng China
04:08.7
It's not the world eh
04:10.1
Ang audience nila
04:11.1
Are their own people eh
04:12.5
Na nagahanap ng outlet
04:14.5
Dahil ang daming problema
04:17.0
Ang daming problema
04:25.3
Purging ng mga generals
04:28.7
Two defense ministers
04:34.2
A foreign minister
04:41.1
Ang daming nangyayari
04:42.7
Kailangan nila ng
04:47.8
From the internal problems
04:51.1
Nagiging mas delikado eh
04:53.8
Nagiging mas delikado
04:58.6
Yung paglayo nila
05:02.3
Which was dominant
05:09.1
International rivalry
05:10.3
Your position Ronald
05:11.6
Is China has so many
05:13.3
Internal problems
05:17.0
And unfortunately
05:19.1
Seems to be perfect
05:20.4
Diversion for that
05:21.2
Okay we can debate
05:22.4
About that actually
05:23.1
You know some people
05:23.7
Pushing back against that
05:24.7
But that's one way
05:27.2
Lalambot yung position
05:29.0
They just cannot afford it
05:30.6
When you feed your population
05:32.8
Patriotic education program
05:36.6
It's an opium of the masses
05:39.5
May logical direction
05:42.4
At pag nagsimulan
05:44.3
Mahirap yung buwi
05:45.6
Yeah to unplug it
05:48.4
Let me go to Mark
05:49.5
What's the state of conversation
05:52.2
Dito sa West Philippines
05:56.3
Na nagjo-join sa atin
05:58.1
I'm sure the line
05:59.7
From the other side is
06:01.4
Sabi namin sa inyo
06:02.4
Etka kayo ng etka
06:04.7
Tignan nyo naman ngayon
06:05.8
Binibuli tayo lalo
06:06.8
Kasalanan nyo yan
06:07.8
Essentially that's what
06:08.9
Robin Hood was saying
06:13.2
For provoking China
06:15.3
What's going on there?
06:16.7
Yung mga kaibigan natin
06:17.5
Diyan na DDS blog
06:18.6
Anong linya nila ngayon?
06:20.0
I always say this
06:21.0
And it's still true ngayon
06:22.8
Yung China is one issue
06:26.8
Yung for majority of Filipinos
06:33.0
Diyan sa West Philippine Sea
06:34.5
And ang ganda nung sinabi ni
06:40.2
Parang internal issue
06:41.3
But hindi kaya yan
06:42.4
Gawin din ni PDBM sa atin
06:44.4
Na use yung issue na yan
06:46.8
Para pag-isahin yung bansa
06:48.3
But isn't that what's happening, Marco?
06:51.9
Not strong enough eh
06:53.7
Strong enough, okay
06:55.8
The whip against the Dutertes
07:00.6
Everyone is with me
07:02.0
I'm defender of the Philippines
07:03.2
Mga Dutertes approach
07:04.1
Don't you think there's a dimension to that?
07:08.7
Mamaya natin tanong yung si Ronaldo
07:11.1
Meron siyang dimension domestic eh
07:12.7
Na BBM has an interest
07:14.4
In a strong West Philippine Sea position
07:16.1
Because that's one of the ways
07:17.6
You can get at the Dutertes
07:19.6
Saan kayo ba tataya?
07:21.6
I mean, you're absolutely right eh
07:22.9
Hirap na hirap mga Dutertes
07:24.1
To get the Filipino people to their side
07:26.3
Until something big might happen
07:28.1
And then ibang usapan na yan
07:29.8
Pero I think kasi yung
07:32.0
Kay President Duterte
07:34.7
Medyo na-establish din sa utak
07:36.9
Ng mga ibang Pilipino
07:38.1
Na yung ginawa naman niya
07:40.4
Eh, nakatulong din naman
07:41.7
Sa nangyayari ngayon
07:46.1
And yung mga ibang bansa
07:47.9
What would happen
07:50.3
Mas niligawan to din
07:52.2
So parang medyo lusot na si
07:55.7
Dahil minura ko sila
07:57.1
Siniseryoso na tayo
08:00.5
Yan lang po yung line
08:01.9
Pero ang punto nga
08:04.6
Yung mga statements
08:06.7
Yung mga katulad nila
08:08.1
Yung mga iba pang mga
08:21.1
Medyo umiinit din
08:24.5
Ang mga talking point
08:27.5
Comes from SAS eh
08:32.7
Minsan sa kanya lang
08:35.7
Pero ang talking points pa talaga
08:36.4
Galing sa kanya talaga
08:38.7
Wala namang iba eh
08:39.6
Wala namang iba eh
08:41.2
Wala namang iba na
08:42.4
Na gano'n ka ano eh
08:44.0
Pagdating sa issue na to eh
08:46.4
Most are looking at her eh
08:50.7
So what you're saying
08:51.6
Before I go back to Ronaldo
08:56.5
Tilted against the Duterte line
08:58.5
On the West Philippine Sea
09:01.4
So yung fearmongering
09:04.2
The Duterte line eh
09:06.7
Kasi medyo tahimik na naman ngayon eh
09:09.0
Papamintan-mintan
09:10.0
Lalabas siya doon
09:15.3
Yung nga yung nangyari
09:16.1
Nung term niya eh
09:21.0
Parang hindi ko siya nalilink
09:26.1
So I won't call it
09:31.1
Hindi din naman lahat eh
09:32.2
Doon yung direction
09:35.0
Parang nung nakausap natin
09:36.1
Si Banat Bay diba
09:49.4
They're open naman
09:51.7
What's best for the country now eh
09:54.2
Nararamdaman din naman nila
10:01.2
Na Mark Richard eh
10:02.5
Nung nagdebate kami
10:03.6
For more than a week
10:08.6
May mga pinapadala sa akin
10:11.9
Attacking Robin Padilla
10:18.1
Ng West Philippine Sea
10:19.5
Mali si Robin Padilla
10:21.0
Kakampi namin itong
10:26.9
Kaya inaamin nila
10:30.3
Ng West Philippine Sea
10:31.3
Ibang aming posisyon
10:34.6
Naihihirapan sila eh
10:35.8
Dahil overwhelming
10:39.1
Sa ating populasyon
10:53.7
Nag-commit sa kanya
10:59.1
Ikinomit sa kanya
11:09.6
Nag-pro-China na tayo
11:13.0
What do you have to show
11:19.0
Sa Mindanao Rail?
11:22.3
Industrial estates
11:27.1
Yung dalawang tulay
11:38.9
Bumuhus yung China
11:43.0
Paano nag-commit sila?
11:43.9
24 billion dollars
11:46.7
Less than a billion
11:52.6
Pitik-pitik lang dito
11:58.6
Binobola lang ako nito
12:02.3
At saka Marcos yan
12:03.5
Hindi yan magpapabola
12:09.2
Go towards the end
12:11.2
Kasi still developments
12:13.5
Takot ako magsalita more
12:14.7
Because there could be
12:15.3
More developments
12:16.0
That come in days
12:16.9
Not in the wrong direction
12:17.9
So I don't wanna say too much
12:18.8
On the operational aspect
12:20.1
But just going back to this
12:24.1
In the previous episode
12:29.2
That that could be
12:33.3
Yung etong proposals
12:37.7
Ng anti-influence
12:42.4
A situation whereby
12:44.5
West Philippines issue
12:46.3
They start cracking down
12:51.2
And you could see
12:52.7
Where this could go
12:57.2
Ang mangyari dyan
12:58.4
Or the other red tag
13:01.6
Problema kasi Richard
13:08.5
Gagawa sila ng bago
13:16.7
So during peace time
13:18.3
Hindi kalong kalinaw
13:19.3
Kaya gusto nilang
13:23.3
Itong mga loss na ito
13:24.6
During peace time
13:28.9
Tayo as progressive
13:30.3
Ay ayaw naman natin
13:39.0
Baka ma-weaponize
13:40.4
Yung batas na yan
13:41.4
Baka ma-weaponize
13:44.8
Na may mga traidor
13:56.2
Magdedibatihin natin
13:59.4
Nagamitin laban sa atin
14:02.1
Mag-weaponize yan
14:13.9
Some of the vloggers
14:18.5
Parang ina-attack na
14:23.0
Pero parang may narinig ako
14:27.3
Gusto mo lang mag
14:31.0
Pero it's a completely
14:32.7
Kapag tumatanggap ka na
14:35.4
Where do they draw the line
14:37.9
Siguro baka gano'n eh
14:40.6
Where do they draw the line
14:42.6
Pagdating doon sa
14:44.0
Pakikipag-coordinate
14:46.8
Pag tatanggap ka ng pera
14:48.6
You have to be transparent
14:50.9
You're a foreign agent
14:52.9
So may mga gano'ng
14:58.7
If you don't teach
15:00.2
Naman yung tatamaan
15:01.1
Magsasalita ka lang na
15:03.4
Kung gusto ko lang talaga
15:09.8
Yung mga Chinoy natin
15:12.8
Yung ibang Chinoy natin
15:15.4
They have family there
15:25.3
And siguro gusto ko lang din
15:27.1
In the struggle against
15:29.0
Our neighbor China
15:33.2
Kahit yung mga DBS
15:35.4
We shouldn't alienate them
15:37.0
Kung meron mga pagkakamali
15:38.4
Nung time ni Duterte
15:40.1
Now it's not the time na
15:42.8
O diyan kayo sa China
15:43.8
Now it's not the time
15:45.1
To push them away
15:46.0
Let's welcome them
15:47.7
Kasi para sa bansa
15:49.8
Kung sino lang yung
15:51.1
Na pro-China talaga
15:52.9
Minsan nagagamit silang
15:59.0
Influence for China
16:02.5
Duterte versus Len
16:04.8
Kahit maka-Duterte ka
16:06.2
Kahit maka-Len ka
16:09.3
Ay nasa Pilipinas pa rin
16:10.9
We shouldn't alienate
16:13.0
Ibang mga supporters
16:14.5
Kung mga Duterte supporters
16:24.4
Kaya yung sabi ni Mark
16:29.9
Bordering on racism
16:31.4
Yung kanyang atake
16:35.6
They're coming out of the woodwork
16:38.8
People's Liberation Army
16:41.7
Nakakreate ka ng paranoia
16:43.5
Na delikado yan eh
16:45.2
Ayoko mong nangyari sa atin
16:47.4
Yung nangyari sa Indonesia
16:49.6
Nung panahon ni Soekarno
16:51.7
Lahat ng Chinese looking na
16:56.8
Delikado yung ganyang klaseng paranoia
16:59.2
Yung ating Senate President
17:01.9
Yung mga Pilipino-Chinese
17:04.9
Kung kayo ay Pilipino
17:06.7
Yung ganyang pronouncement
17:09.2
That's bordering on racism
17:14.0
Yan yung pinanggagalingan
17:26.6
So delikado yung ganyan
17:29.9
Kahit critical tayo sa China
17:31.3
Critical tayo sa aggression
17:36.6
Dapat hindi maging
17:40.3
Hindi maging racist
17:46.1
Katulad na nangyayari
17:49.1
Na may mga populist
17:54.6
Yan yung delikado
18:01.5
To close this episode
18:02.3
Naka 2 hours na pala tayo
18:03.2
Mabilis na pa naman
18:03.9
May worry ba tayo
18:07.0
First start with Mark
18:08.4
And then I'll go to Ronald
18:12.7
Na baka mag-overcorrect tayo
18:14.1
Na baka maging masyadong
18:15.0
Dependent ang Pilipinas
18:17.3
Ang tapang-tapang natin
18:18.4
Pero saan ba galing ito
18:21.1
Or galing ba ito dahil
18:22.9
Sinisupport tayo na lahat
18:23.8
Sabi nga ni Ronald
18:24.6
This is a historic moment
18:31.6
Baka maging over-dependent
18:34.0
Na baka masyado tayong
18:37.9
Kasi you were saying
18:39.1
What if China down the road
18:40.6
Could be a better partner
18:41.7
What if another Trump wins
18:43.2
Another worse than
18:44.4
Trump wins in the US
18:45.5
And then sila naman yung problema
18:46.7
Anong basa mo dyan Mark
18:49.1
Sa akin tingin ko
18:52.6
Siyempre we don't want to cut ties
18:56.5
They're still a big trading partner
18:58.1
Ako at this point
19:00.2
More of independence lang
19:05.9
Paano kung tomorrow
19:07.2
Iputulin ng China lahat
19:11.2
You should be prepared lang
19:13.2
Kung if ever mangyari
19:15.7
Yung mga worst case na ganun
19:17.5
You should be prepared
19:19.0
And at the same time
19:20.0
Ito naman I learned from you
19:22.6
Yung magandang alliances natin
19:24.5
With you at yung ibang country
19:29.6
To strengthen our own military
19:31.3
So we can defend ourselves better
19:36.9
Navy, Coast Guard, Military
19:39.6
And lastly siguro
19:44.1
We started this episode
19:45.7
Yung sinabi nyo sa Singapore
19:49.2
It's still asian talaga
19:57.3
Align tayo sa direction
20:00.5
Ito parang ngayon
20:10.5
We're going to do that
20:14.1
Ano parang we're unable to
20:16.0
Do you think we're on the right track right now?
20:18.8
Right off the bat
20:20.1
Parang fast talk style
20:22.8
Tama ba yung ginagawa ni
20:32.9
You give him what
20:36.0
Like if you were to grade him
20:37.2
Pasado or better than pasado
20:39.6
Siguro ilagay ko nalang sa pasado muna
20:46.5
In terms of direction
20:48.5
Gusto ko naman yung nangyayari
20:51.9
Ayan gusto kay Mark eh
20:55.3
Ang dami natin pinagsasabi
20:58.6
Is Marcos on the right direction?
21:01.2
And how do you think
21:02.3
Pagano na yung tanong mo
21:03.4
The risk is always there
21:06.1
Na masyado tayo mag-overcompensate
21:09.5
Lalo na because of our history
21:10.9
With the Americans
21:13.0
Kaya nga maganda yung sinabi
21:15.9
Nung merong nagpo-propose
21:21.8
Permanent structures
21:26.4
Humingi tayo ng tulong
21:28.4
Ano sabi ng Coast Guard?
21:31.5
Palakasin natin yung
21:34.7
Huwag tayo mag-provoke
21:36.1
Huwag tayo mag-provoke
21:37.6
Pero huwag na tayo humingi ng tulong
21:39.2
Para sa permanent structures
21:42.1
Sabi ng Coast Guard
21:47.0
Humingi tayo ng tulong
21:59.8
Para samahan yung ating mga
22:02.0
Na nagsusupply sa
22:03.6
We can do it for now
22:04.8
Yung ating Coast Guard
22:05.8
Na huwag naman tayo
22:08.6
Yun yung mahalaga
22:10.8
Huwag naman tayo maniwala
22:12.8
Sa sarili na ating propaganda
22:23.8
In the real world
22:24.7
In the real world
22:42.3
Kaya yung iba sa kaliwa
22:44.3
Ang sinisigaw pa rin
22:52.1
Iba yung reality ngayon
22:55.4
At ito yung dapat natin
22:57.0
Without overcompensating
23:00.7
Yun yung iniingatan natin
23:04.5
Magkano ng tiyara sa Taiwan
23:06.2
Huwag may basta-basta sumama dyan
23:07.6
Malinaw sa ating constitution
23:10.0
As an instrument of foreign policy
23:14.4
Where credit is due
23:19.7
Nung nanalo tayo sa UNCLOS
23:22.4
It's just a piece of paper
23:24.3
Na dapat itapon sa basura
23:26.6
Anong sinabi niya?
23:27.5
It's a historic win
23:28.6
It's a historic win
23:35.9
Malaking difference
23:37.4
Between the Duterte government
23:38.8
And the Marcos government
23:39.7
Kahit hindi ako pro-Marcos
23:41.4
I appreciate ko yun
23:42.9
Yung ganong klaseng
23:45.2
Sa ating UNCLOS victory
23:52.5
Gano ba tayo kalayo pa
23:54.9
From having stronger alliances
23:56.6
With our Southeast Asian neighbor?
24:02.1
Kaysa din sa mga neighbor natin
24:03.1
Ang problema natin Mark
24:04.8
Mahalaga yung ASEAN eh
24:05.9
Pero ang problema sa ASEAN
24:07.7
It's the least common denominator
24:11.2
Kung yung Cambodia
24:14.6
Ng Code of Conduct
24:25.6
A province of China
24:31.0
Sa akin yung question
24:32.5
Na ito ka na naman
24:39.6
Kasi kailangan mo
24:40.8
Actually unanimity
24:49.6
We have to directly
24:53.8
Itong apat na ito
24:54.5
I think we can get this
24:56.7
Or kinda to our side
24:57.8
We can make an impact
24:59.2
Pero huwag na tayo
25:00.7
Of course we'll be nice
25:03.2
Hindi useless ang ASEAN
25:05.5
Saan ka tataya sa ASEAN
25:07.6
ROI that you're looking for
25:11.0
I appreciate this
25:21.0
Magpakabait na kayo
25:22.5
Okay thank you so much
25:23.3
Mayroong balit-balit ko
25:24.9
Hindi ako kasulat
25:26.9
Nakayelo na karet
25:32.7
Dito sa t-shirt nyo
25:36.6
Baka magpapalagay
25:37.2
Thank you so much guys
25:39.4
I really appreciate it
25:43.0
Our fourth episode
25:45.8
Looking forward to more of this
25:47.5
In the coming weeks
25:48.5
And as we discuss
25:55.8
Thank you very much
25:57.3
Baka magaling na yung
26:01.0
Mam makapagsalita na ako
26:02.7
Pero hindi obvious eh
26:04.1
Pero hindi obvious eh
26:14.5
Salamat sa callers natin
26:18.7
Each of these episodes
26:19.9
We'll have a proper version
26:21.1
Para kitan yung mga guwapo
26:22.1
Nating kasama dyan
26:26.9
Have a blessed Sunday
