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Vlogger mode tayo ngayon.
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Vlogger mode tayo ngayon.
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Sorry, yung lighting natin is not there yet.
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But I hope yung sound systems natin.
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I hope yung mga basic visuals natin is okay.
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Of course, medyo sa bundok-bundokan tayo ngayon.
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Kaya yung internet natin is not there yet.
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But I hope the audio is better mga kameta.
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Ito gamit na natin mga podcast style back in the day.
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Buya ka siya. Kamusta kayo dyan?
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Ito na. Ito na. Ito na.
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May update na po tayo.
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Mukhang, katulad ng sinabi natin,
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the next step for Senator Lela Dalima,
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will be to make sure that hindi lang,
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hindi lang, on her part,
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ma-vindicate siya legally,
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but at the same time,
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she'll make a big step so that ma-vindicate yung buong judicial system natin.
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Because after all,
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the very fact na isang senator ng isang republic,
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isang tao na kasing taas ng position niya,
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back in 2016 at least,
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was subjected to the kind of legal
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trial. I mean, in a sense, literally,
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yung, I mean spiritually,
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the kind of harassment that she faced throughout the years.
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At ngayon, kitang-kita natin.
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Malapit na tayo mga kameta.
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Malapit na tayo na clearly ma-vindicate na si Senator Dalima
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in terms of the legal cases.
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But the next step, the natural next step for her to be,
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to make sure na yung 6 years,
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actually, yung 7 years na nawala sa kanya,
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na this will not happen to anyone else again.
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I think this is the,
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issue here because it's one
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thing to make sure that someone who has been a
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subject of legal harassment and
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worse in their case, it's one thing for
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that person to finally
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have a taste of freedom
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but it's another thing to make sure na
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hindi maulit ito, no?
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hindi maulit-ulit, no?
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Ito yung essentially tema
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ni Senator Leyla Delima
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so kanina meron tayong
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report dyan sa One News, of course
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mga kapatid natin dyan sa One News
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mukhang si ka-RNR
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pa natin yung guest kanina dyan
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oh, with sila, parang
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Joe Revencio at saka Ed Lingao
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so sinend lang link sa kanya
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sa akin kanina, so it looks like
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na Senator Delima is now
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looking to go on the
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Puyo ka siya! So katulad ng
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pinost natin kanina dyan
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on Twitter, dito sa
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Facebook at saka dun sa mga iba't-ibang
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mga platforms natin, ito na
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ito na, so dun sa show na
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sa totoo lang, sa One News
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ito mga kapatid po natin yan
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so by the way, next week, officially Monday, magsistart na po
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yung second season po
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ng The View from Manila
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kung saan pag-usapan natin
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yung mga leading geopolitical issues
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of our era with ambassadors
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with top experts from all around the world
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abangan niyan, so next Monday
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si Ambassador de Vega, Undersecretary
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for Migrant Affairs, ang kausap po
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natin, magaling siya mag-Espanyol
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and then of course, we'll have Yusec Malaya
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Undersecretary and Spokesman
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for the National Security Council, Malaya
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to talk about a lot of issues, so marami pa tayong mga guests
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marami tayong pag-usapan
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but for this week, dito sa totoo lang
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eto, eto, eto, eto
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nakita natin na update kanina mga kameta na
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pinost natin, doon sa
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sa mga platforms, eto sa totoo lang
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show, hashtag sa totoo lang
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dito, dito, sinabi na
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sigurado na raw si dating Senadora
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na kasuhan si dating Pangulong Rodrigo
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Duterte, aming dati ah, puro mga ex
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kaugnay ito ng pagkakakulong
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niya, na higit anim na taon
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dahil sa kasong may kinalaman
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sa droga, or just to be more accurate about this
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na kaso, supposedly
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may kinalaman sa droga
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eto po ang sinabi ni Sen. Dalima
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doon kanina, live siya, kausap
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niya po yung media, so she's now on the offensive
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eto po yung sinabi niya
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he knows what exactly he did
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to me, referring to the ex-president
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he knows, sabi niya, he knows
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wag siyang magpa-inosente
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wag siyang magpa-kunyari, ay wala akong
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kinalaman dyan sa judiciary, wait lang
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sino nag-appoint ng justice secretary
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okay, at wag tayo
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magpanggap, alam naman natin
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ang kalakaran, okay he knows
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what exactly he did to me, so dapat
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he must acknowledge yung
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gravity, the gravity ng
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injustice, the travesty of
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justice, yung mga pangapi niya
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sa kanya, but of course, of course mga
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we discussed last night with ka-RNR
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among others, and also doon sa
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sarili kong analysis, of course the question right now
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Rodrigo Duterte could be one option
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for Leila Dalima, at least she's
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indicating that she's committed to that track
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and then kanina, meron din tayong
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meron din tayong news item na shinare natin
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eto, former president
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Franklin Drilon, who by the way was also the former
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justice secretary, so this is someone who knows
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a thing or two about law, sabi niya
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hindi lang si Digong
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potentially, former DOJ
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sekretary Vitaliano Aguirre II
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oh, alam niya na yan, ito yung
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mga ano natin dyan
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forced a witness to testify against former
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senate, I'm sorry about that
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okay, nice, nice tayo
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who allegedly forced a witness to testify against former
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senator Dalima, may be imprisoned for
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10 to 12 years if proven guilty
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na eto, na sineset up
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talaga yung dating
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senadora na si Leila Dalima
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so, it looks like the game plan
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right now, the game plan right now
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dun sa kampo ni Leila Dalima is that
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they're prepared na, and I'm sure na all
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she was in detention at hindi pa siya
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nag-grant ng bail, they were anticipating
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etong opportunity na
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just in case if mapalaya siya
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under a non-Digong administration
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perhaps there'll be also an opening
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for her to get back
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and to take the fight back dun sa
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kanyang tormentors
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in that sense, and of course
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again, Senator Dalima has made it sure
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this is not about only her case
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not only more than 6 years or almost
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7 years of her life
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thousands of days of her lives
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so 24 hours and then times
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almost 2000 days, so yun yung nawalan
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sa kanya, but this is about yung
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at least, ayon sa kanyang kampo
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eto yung pambababoy
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eto yung bastardization
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and adulterization
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ng the justice system na na-
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na-illegit din nangyari sa dating administration
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mga kameta, so yun yun yun po
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ang situation here
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Digong is potentially the one that
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they'll go after, if
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former Justice Aguirre is the one that
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they'll go potentially after, then you can guess
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there are also other people in the radar
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here, diba? Yung mga iba dyan
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of course, I mean
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eto ata, let me be quite serious about this
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of course, may mga tao dyan
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na unfortunately kulang sa discretion
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may mga tao dyan na dahil sa mga
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kulto-kulto dyan, may mga tao
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dyan dahil sa kanilang hatred
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sa kanilang lack of moral conviction
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sa kanilang lack of
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sa kanilang political hatred
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dahil sa kanilang
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yung na-brainwash tong mga
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ibang kasama natin dyan
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unfortunately yung mga iba dyan
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nadadala back in the day
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dun sa mga kalokohan
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yung super galit sa lahat
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ng mga dilawan, sinisisi lahat ng mga dilawan
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sa lahat ng nangyaring masama
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even if hindi naman dilawan si
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Erap Estrada, kamusta naman yung administration ni Erap
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hindi naman technically Erap
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I mean Ramos, President Ramos was actually
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a first cousin of Marcos' and he was
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also a top military official
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throughout the days during the Marcos era
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even if hindi dilawan
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si Arroyo in a sense, I mean seriously
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I mean Arroyo is dilawan, I mean Arroyo is as close
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as he can get into the
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de facto mentor of Digong among others
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so all of yung mga
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pangbababo, yung mga ideological
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brainwashing, all of that
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horrible, horrible, horrible
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horrible, horrible
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horrible thinking
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everything na nangyari
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throughout the years, so unfortunately
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nadala dun sa hatred
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of the moment, emotion of the moment, but
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there are some people na alam
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natin, alam nila na hindi totoo
09:57.8
yung mga accusations laban kay
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former senator de Lima
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and yet, and yet, they
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abused their office, yes some of these
10:07.8
people were in positions of power and others
10:09.8
abused their platforms and influence to
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spread nonsense, to spread
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barbarous, barbarous
10:17.8
kind of disinformation
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very misogynist, very misogynist
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barbaric vulgarity against
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the ex-senator, so maybe
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it's time to draw the line, it's time to draw the line
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so mukhang senator de Lima
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will be looking at the number of people
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starting with, alam nyo na sino
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and then yung mga henchmen, yung mga
10:39.8
yung mga, alam nyo na
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among others, so let's see
10:45.8
where this is gonna go, this is very interesting, now
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kahapon pinag-usapan
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din natin yung prospects mga kameta
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for moving in the direction
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moving in the direction of, dapat dito ko
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siguro nilagay yung lighting ah, medyo dark
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moving in the direction of
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di ba, moving in the direction of ICC
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nangayos ko, sige I think okay pa naman
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tong lighting neto, moving in the direction of ICC
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okay ba yung sounds natin dyan
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hindi naman malayo, sorry ah
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sineset up, set up lang natin, eto moving in the sense
11:15.8
in the direction of ICC
11:19.8
some people are sensing that
11:21.8
baka hindi tapos ang
11:23.8
unfinished business na tong ICC
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neto, now, just, just, not to get ahead
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of ourselves, remember
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the reason why medyo nag-disagree ako kay
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if ako alam niya R&R, mas na
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predict ko tong, tong ano, but anyway
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mamaya na tayo mag-credit, grabing
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because I was very optimistic about
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Leyla Delima being freed this year
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at least unveiled, no?
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I was very optimistic as soon as lumabas
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yung memo at saka
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as soon as na gets ko na medyo
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delikado na etong unitim na yan
11:57.8
so you can check that in yung nexus episodes natin
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with Leloy Claudio, this was
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6-8 months, and I think even last
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na-mention ko yung possibility na yan, di ba
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I remember very well Leloy saying something like
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I like your way of thinking, ganun yung
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response niya, so anyway, ah
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bukas, by the way, tuloy sana
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God willing, yung RRL natin
12:17.8
Review of Related Literature, hindi
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Ricardo, Ronaldo, and Lisandro
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no, etong RRL naman natin
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bukas, pag-usapan natin, maraming tayong pag-usapan
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no, no, no, going back to this
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one reason why I was a bit skeptical about the ICC
12:29.8
issue is because as I said nga
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the ICC issue could be a rallying
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DDSK, no, because kung
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talagang may posibilidad
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mag-investiga or mga ano
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tapos si tatay, biglang
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matanda na ako, ganun-ganun, alam nyo na
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di ba, that could be a rallying cry
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that could be an emotionally resonant
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rallying cry, and pwede mag-backfire
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kay BBM yan sa midterm elections
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sabi ko, unless si BBM
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ay siguradong sigurado na
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you know, they got
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this under control, meaning the whole
13:03.8
political situation ahead of the midterm elections
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and they got this in the bag
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in a sense that they're confident that they're gonna do
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very well in midterm elections, delikado yan, move na yan
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if they move in that direction, so I'm still
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skeptical that BBM will jump
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on the ICC, considering that
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yung official position ng kanyang
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administration, and even in his
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own statements earlier this year
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sabi niya, we're done with the ICC essentially
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so, just to refresh no
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back in July, July 20th
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sabi ni President Fernando Marcos Jr
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sa isang speech na done
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na po ang Pilipinas with the International Criminal Court
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ICC announced its decision to reject
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Romney's probe into drug war killings
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alleged killings under
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sa ilalim ng previous administration
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so ito yung sinabi ni Marcos Jr.
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in July, that's it, we have no
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appeal spending, we have no more actions being taken
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so I suppose that puts an end to our dealings
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with the ICC, so we continue to defend
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the sovereignty of the Philippines and continue to question
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the jurisdiction of the ICC in their
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investigations here in the Philippines, but of course
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that's what he said, right? Now since July
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of course many things have changed
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yung unity may more or less
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tapos na, functionally over
14:11.8
yung unity, although I suspect
14:13.8
PBM himself will say nice things about
14:15.8
Sara and even be nice and
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hold back from attacking the former president
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but in many ways, functionally
14:21.8
the unity team has disintegrated, no?
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So that's one big change since July
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the other big change since July is
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so habang lumalala itong
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situation sa West Philippine Sea, nakikita natin na
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mas komportable na
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ang administration natin na
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usapan ang additional arbitration
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case against China
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so now the Philippine government is suddenly talking
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about rule of law, now the Philippine government
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is suddenly talking about potentially
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leveraging international
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law and international legal instruments
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to defend the Philippine national interest
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so kung ganyan ang peg mo
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bigla na ah okay okay okay
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baka pwede natin kasuhan ulit
14:59.8
ng China for additional
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arbitration case, now of course if you wanna know more
15:03.8
details about the potential
15:05.8
for supplementary
15:07.8
or complementary or
15:09.8
subsequent forms of arbitration
15:11.8
please check my interview with former
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associate justice Antonio Carpio
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someone who knows a thing or two about international
15:17.8
law, so pinag-usapan namin yung
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arbitration case of 2016, pinag-usapan din
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natin yung 2019 case against
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Xi Jinping and top Chinese leader at the
15:25.8
ICC, right? So we have
15:27.8
two, at least two forms of
15:29.8
arbitration cases have been filed against
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China with varying degrees of success
15:33.8
or not so success, but then
15:35.8
the idea here was tuloy-tuloy dapat yung
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legal warfare or lawfare, so now
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the Philippine government
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is openly suggesting that they're open, I'm talking about
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the DOJ, I'm talking about the
15:45.8
Solicitor General, so these are the
15:47.8
very people, right, who in
15:49.8
one way or another were very ICC skeptical
15:53.8
skeptics, no? But now
15:55.8
these are the very people who are saying
15:57.8
we can leverage international legal instruments
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Philippine sovereign rights, now obviously
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duh, of course they're two different things
16:05.8
you know, when you talk about the Philippine
16:07.8
sovereign rights in the West Philippine Sea
16:09.8
hindi yan sakop ng ICC technically
16:11.8
speaking, or at least, well
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depends eh, depends eh, kasi yung
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case na ginawa nung 2019
16:17.8
this is not by the Philippine government, but this
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is by former and the late
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Foreign Secretary
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Associate Justice
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Conchita Carpio Morales
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so please check yung interview ko
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please check yung interview ko with the
16:35.8
Conchita Morales, Justice Conchita
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Morales and Secretary,
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late Secretary Del Rosario
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mahanap niyan sa online, so I interviewed
16:43.8
them before dun sa ICC case na
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fina nilalaban sa China ukol
16:47.8
sa West Philippine Sea, so what they did was
16:49.8
because ICC doesn't cover
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sovereign entities
16:53.8
it covers individuals, so kinasuan
16:55.8
yung individual Chinese
16:57.8
leaders na allegedly involved in
16:59.8
violating the basic human rights of the
17:01.8
Philippine people by depriving
17:03.8
the Philippine fishermen, yung ang maying
17:05.8
natin, the right and
17:07.8
the ability to exercise
17:11.8
fishing rights nila dyan
17:13.8
sa West Philippine Sea, sa Panatak
17:15.8
Shoal among others, so dinikit nila po
17:17.8
yung 2016 arbitration award
17:19.8
dun sa mandato ng ICC and then
17:21.8
kinasuan nila yung mga top leaders ng
17:23.8
China, now that legal move
17:25.8
didn't prove to be so successful
17:27.8
but then again, that's my point
17:29.8
ngayon meron kang mga top Philippine
17:31.8
officials suddenly talking about international
17:33.8
legal instrument, so medyo weird
17:37.8
hostile ka sa ICC and then
17:39.8
umasa ka sa ibang international legal instrument
17:41.8
to help you out, you get what
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I'm saying, I mean again, obviously
17:45.8
technically they're different, I get it
17:47.8
right, they're different because
17:49.8
if you're gonna file another arbitration
17:51.8
case against China, this most likely
17:53.8
will have to do a thing or two
17:59.8
or two with, no na, this will be under
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article 287 annex 7 of
18:03.8
UNCLOS, so this will be compulsory arbitration
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potentially, right, again
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again, again, because China is not gonna agree to
18:09.8
be part of it, so we have to go through compulsory
18:13.8
previously we proved that, that could be exercised
18:15.8
under certain circumstances
18:17.8
so, ibang usapan yung mga legal
18:19.8
niceties, but for me psychologically
18:21.8
morally, diplomatically
18:23.8
very important ng Philippines
18:25.8
sense a clear signal
18:27.8
that we are one with international
18:29.8
legal instruments and we believe in the
18:31.8
value of international legal instruments, so if that's
18:33.8
your positioning, and which I believe should
18:35.8
be the position of the Philippines, and then you
18:37.8
keep on bashing ICC
18:39.8
which is a manifestation of international
18:41.8
legal instrument, international law
18:43.8
medyo sabogyan, right
18:45.8
medyo may disjuncture dyan, so that's
18:47.8
the thing that has
18:49.8
to be harmonized, so potentially
18:51.8
you may see, because of
18:53.8
the disintegration implosion of the UN team
18:57.8
reappearance of an additional
18:59.8
supplementary arbitration
19:01.8
threat against China because of the
19:03.8
West Philippine Sea, because of our efforts
19:05.8
to protect the Philippines sovereign rights
19:07.8
in the West Philippine Sea, baka ngayon
19:09.8
medyo lalambot ang
19:11.8
position ng gobyerno sa ICC, so those are
19:13.8
the two factors I see at the very least
19:15.8
which may have been game changers
19:19.8
President Marcos Jr. made those very strong
19:21.8
statements, that's it, we have no appeals pending
19:23.8
we have no more actions being taken, so I
19:25.8
suppose that puts an end to our dealings with the ICC
19:27.8
yung magaling position
19:29.8
my sense is there's a third element here
19:37.8
democratic partners of the
19:39.8
Philippines, I won't be surprised
19:41.8
I don't have a direct information and if I
19:43.8
had a direct information, I won't share it with you, of course
19:45.8
it will be confidential
19:47.8
my sense is, and actually I wrote about it
19:49.8
I said this is important, my sense is
19:51.8
behind the scenes quietly
19:53.8
America, the Biden administration
19:55.8
European counterparts
19:59.8
to make some reforms on the human rights front
20:01.8
just as the two sides
20:03.8
doubled down dun sa kanilang cooperation
20:05.8
on geopolitical front and dealing with China
20:07.8
so this is a third factor and kind of
20:09.8
they're all related in one way or another
20:11.8
related because as I said
20:13.8
hindi ka maging kampante to take on Duterte
20:15.8
if you don't feel you have international support
20:17.8
hindi ka maging kampante to take a tougher stance
20:19.8
on the West Philippines if you don't feel you have international support
20:21.8
but that international support also perhaps came
20:23.8
with international moral suasion
20:25.8
right, essentially
20:27.8
encouraging BBM to do something
20:29.8
on human rights front because
20:31.8
let's be honest, may reputation ng mga Marcoses
20:33.8
so if you're a democratic administration
20:35.8
in the White House like Biden
20:37.8
if you're a assumed moral agent
20:39.8
in international affairs like the European Union
20:41.8
you cannot forever be nice to
20:43.8
Marcos Junior and not face criticism
20:45.8
like, wait, wait, beshi na kayo ni Marcos
20:47.8
dahil hate niyo yung China
20:49.8
or beshi kayo ni Marcos because Marcos is
20:51.8
really a reformer bringing something good
20:53.8
so bringing something good and being a reformer
20:55.8
something has to be done on that front
20:57.8
so I'm sure behind the scenes
20:59.8
need to nudge si BBM
21:01.8
to take a softer stance on the ICC issue
21:03.8
and in exchange there'll be more support for him
21:05.8
on West Philippine Sea, on other issues
21:07.8
and well, you can guess right
21:09.8
there are many things to keep in mind
21:15.8
it is possible that the ICC is now again
21:17.8
once again an option but again
21:19.8
this is where I kind of disagree with Ronald
21:21.8
medyo hinay-hinay siguro si Marcos Junior
21:23.8
so I don't think Marcos Junior will
21:25.8
jump on this unless he's absolutely
21:29.8
he's prepared to go all in because
21:31.8
it's one thing for the Lima
21:33.8
to be freed more or less
21:35.8
it's one thing for
21:37.8
the confidential fund of Sara
21:39.8
to be removed and all of that
21:41.8
it's one thing na ma-demote si Arroyo
21:43.8
those things are of course already more than warning shots
21:45.8
but once ICC comes in
21:47.8
and tries to investigate or arrest
21:49.8
members of the former
21:51.8
administration including you know who
21:53.8
then ibang usapan na yan
21:55.8
ibang usapan na yan
21:57.8
sobrang escalation na yan big time na yan
21:59.8
next level na yan yung mga ka-DDS natin dyan excited na
22:05.8
this is where I think
22:07.8
it's interesting that
22:09.8
you are seeing some statements coming from
22:11.8
especially those who are close to the
22:15.8
now just to be clear
22:17.8
first of all this is a statement that we saw
22:25.8
the independence of the
22:27.8
supposed independence
22:29.8
of the Philippine judiciary I will go to that person yet but before
22:31.8
that first the justice secretary
22:33.8
Justin Crispin Ramulia
22:35.8
said the grant of bail show that courts are
22:37.8
independent and that quote that democracy is
22:39.8
alive and well in our country so yun yung
22:41.8
position ng justice secretary natin
22:43.8
obviously he has every interest to
22:47.8
claim that the Philippine justice system is
22:51.8
based on what this sample a single
22:53.8
sample as big as the sample is but
22:55.8
this is where things are more interesting because former
22:57.8
senator I'm sorry
22:59.8
senator Amy Marcos
23:01.8
who is very close to President Duterte
23:03.8
also immediately came out and said
23:05.8
this case proves that
23:07.8
independent at functional
23:09.8
Philippine judiciary
23:11.8
the independence of the judiciary
23:13.8
is present and true our court is
23:15.8
court of law and justice oblivious
23:17.8
of personalities or any
23:19.8
political noise Senator Leyla
23:21.8
Senator de Lima's
23:23.8
bail yesterday was a testament to that okay
23:25.8
now obviously you can see
23:27.8
what is the legal implication
23:31.8
political implication of this kind of claims
23:35.8
maintain that the Philippine
23:37.8
judicial system is functional
23:39.8
and that the Philippine judicial system
23:41.8
is working and perfect based on this
23:43.8
single sample right in the
23:45.8
meantime ang dami pa ang mga other cases
23:47.8
kamusta yung kaso ni
23:49.8
Percy Lapid kamusta yung kaso
23:51.8
nung yung mga recently
23:53.8
slain na mga journalist yung mga slain
23:57.8
among others among others diba
23:59.8
if you look at all of that
24:01.8
mga kameta of course
24:03.8
you're gonna raise your eyebrows and say wait
24:05.8
I'm not sure Philippines is there yet I mean of course
24:07.8
this is a move in the right direction
24:09.8
but again you'll understand why they'll
24:11.8
claim that they'll claim that because exactly
24:13.8
as Senator Aimee Marcos mentioned
24:19.8
independent Philippine courts therefore
24:21.8
under the principle of complementarity
24:23.8
dapat walang pake
24:25.8
ang ICC to come in
24:27.8
in fact as she put it clearly
24:29.8
ICC has no business meddling with our
24:31.8
justice system because under
24:33.8
the principle of complementarity
24:37.8
if there are grounds
24:41.8
hindi gumagani yung justice
24:43.8
system natin so please check yung
24:45.8
interviews ko not one
24:47.8
multiple interviews natin with legal
24:49.8
experts international humanitarian law experts
24:51.8
among others especially
24:53.8
attorney Carranza so we
24:55.8
discussed the principle of complementarity
24:57.8
and we discussed why the
24:59.8
Philippines has not been able to
25:01.8
establish effectively that its
25:03.8
courts are doing their job
25:05.8
when it comes to the EJK cases because
25:07.8
if you have thousands
25:09.8
if not tens of thousands of alleged
25:11.8
EJKs and then mga
25:13.8
mga pitik pitik lang dito dyan lang
25:17.8
semblance of trial
25:19.8
and judicial dispensation
25:21.8
then may problema tayo dito diba
25:23.8
so what others are arguing
25:25.8
and this is actually the argument also of ICC
25:27.8
is that yes under the principle of complementarity
25:29.8
we complementarity
25:31.8
we can only come in as a last resort
25:35.8
we do not believe that the Philippine courts
25:39.8
the Philippine judicial system as a whole
25:41.8
not only courts because kasama rin
25:43.8
yung mga executive judicial branches
25:45.8
judicial agencies
25:47.8
the position of ICC
25:49.8
is that hindi kayo nagpakita ng
25:51.8
willingness diba so kung hindi
25:53.8
kayo nagpakita ng willingness
25:55.8
then iwan nyo na lang sa amin yan
25:57.8
and of course as we always say kung wala
25:59.8
naman itatago ang dating
26:01.8
administration kung wala naman talagang mali
26:03.8
kung purang mga propaganda lang pala yung nangyari
26:05.8
dito sa mga allegations na yan and then
26:07.8
dapat wala silang ikakatakot
26:13.8
this is what's happening right now
26:15.8
so allies of Duterte are
26:17.8
essentially coming out including especially
26:19.8
Senator Amy Marcos coming out and saying
26:23.8
mapapalaya na si Dalima
26:25.8
and she's already on bail and that means
26:27.8
our courts are working well of course
26:29.8
what was not mentioned is that
26:31.8
why it took seven years
26:33.8
for her to get a bail
26:35.8
why there was such
26:37.8
a delay in terms of her trial
26:39.8
there was no explanation of tens of
26:41.8
thousands of unresolved
26:43.8
alleged EJ case there's no
26:45.8
explanation of all of those other
26:47.8
slain journalist cases
26:49.8
that remain unresolved so I don't
26:51.8
think anyone who knows a thing or two
26:55.8
a functional judicial system about
26:57.8
rule of law would confidently
26:59.8
argue that the Philippines is there already
27:01.8
now again eh kudos
27:03.8
to the Philippine
27:07.8
Philippine judicial authorities for showing
27:09.8
good signs in recent months
27:11.8
and I think the situation
27:13.8
has improved significantly over the past
27:15.8
year but let's not kid ourselves
27:17.8
malayong malayo pa tayo sa situation
27:25.8
okay etong gagong jojo mo rin
27:27.8
ano ba yan I know that's a fake account
27:29.8
you umayos ka okay
27:31.8
papakakasuhan ka kita ha
27:33.8
mahanapin ko yung IP address mo
27:35.8
no bullshit here sorry about that okay
27:37.8
if you if you disagree
27:39.8
with me okay if you disagree with
27:41.8
me you can disagree with me substantially
27:43.8
but don't make any threats or any nonsense
27:45.8
there okay okay anyway
27:47.8
alright this is just a discussion mga
27:49.8
kameta we're just looking at the analysis aspect
27:51.8
here and we're looking we're trying to
27:53.8
look at the dynamics hindi kasi mga
27:55.8
kameta napansin ko ha biglang mula ka
27:57.8
kapon etcetera dumadami na naman itong mga walang
27:59.8
trolls na yan most likely hindi totoong
28:01.8
account yan but if totoong
28:03.8
account yan pakireport yan ha
28:05.8
pakireport yung ano yan yung gagong
28:07.8
yan okay you don't come
28:09.8
here and make statements like that alright umayos ka
28:11.8
papag-IP address ko yan
28:13.8
umayos ka you guys
28:15.8
should know who you're messing with okay
28:17.8
hindi nyo na panoon ito okay
28:19.8
umayos kayo dyan alright
28:21.8
we're not gonna allow you guys to intimidate us
28:23.8
anymore na try na yan for 6-7 years
28:25.8
umayos kayo dyan okay
28:27.8
Pa-report niya yan ha
28:29.0
Pa-screenshot yung pangalan niyan
28:30.5
Kung sino nga nagt-threaten dyan
28:32.3
Tsaka nagsasabi ng mga katangan dyan
28:35.3
Pak-screenshot niyan
28:36.3
Forward natin yan sa mga authorities
28:40.2
I-pin down natin yung IP address niya
28:44.3
I'm not kidding around here
28:47.0
I know you had a fake account
28:48.2
But good luck sa'yo
28:49.2
Kung hindi fake account niyan
28:52.0
Pakia niya yan ha
28:54.9
I-screenshot niyan
28:56.2
Basta kung may isang gago dyan
28:58.0
Nagka-comment dyan
28:59.1
Pakia-screenshot niyo ha
29:01.1
Hanapin natin yan
29:02.9
No, because this is a serious issue
29:05.2
And we're expressing our views here
29:06.6
If you disagree with me
29:07.4
I'm perfectly fine with that
29:08.7
Except I doubt any of you guys
29:11.1
Who are trolling me
29:11.8
Are anywhere close
29:12.8
To analytic accuracy
29:15.0
Or anything like that
29:17.5
Hindi niya panon to
29:18.9
This is an intellectual conversation
29:20.4
If your tiny brain cannot take it
29:23.3
Then get out of here
29:24.5
We don't need you
29:25.8
We have thousands of people watching us
29:27.5
So we don't need you
29:28.7
So sorry about that
29:29.8
Umayinit ang ulo ko
29:33.0
I'm just doing my best here
29:35.5
To have an intelligent conversation
29:37.3
About a high-stakes issue
29:38.7
Yung mga iba dyan
29:42.5
I'm not gonna be nice
29:44.4
I'm not gonna be nice
29:47.6
Sino mga kausap mo?
29:51.1
Let's wrap this up
29:55.8
Ayan na yung mga ibang trolls natin
29:59.8
This is part of the business
30:02.2
They have tried to do this
30:05.6
Ini-intimidate tayo
30:09.3
Tignan mo naman yung nangyari
30:12.0
So they have tried to do this
30:14.1
To a lot of people
30:14.9
They have tried to intimidate us
30:18.0
Yun na talaga mga kameta
30:20.9
If magpapaintimidate tayo
30:23.2
Yung mga lowlifes na yan
30:26.3
Walang mangyari sa bansa natin
30:27.8
Wala talaga mangyari sa bansa natin
30:30.0
And at the same time
30:31.5
Let's be absolutely clear about this
30:35.5
We're not making any legal claims
30:37.0
Or anything like that
30:40.5
So everything comes with a caveat
30:41.7
Because we still have to wait for courts
30:44.1
To make the final judgment on these issues
30:46.3
But what I wanted to really talk about here
30:48.8
Ayakan nga talaga mga yan
30:50.1
Nagpapanic mode na sila
30:53.6
Umayos talaga kayo ah
30:56.1
Akala nyo mabait ako?
30:58.1
You don't mess with me
30:59.4
You don't mess with me
31:01.9
Yung six years na yan
31:03.3
Hinaras-haras nyo kami
31:04.4
Tinitreten-treten nyo kami
31:07.3
Hindi kami nagpatalo sa inyo
31:08.6
Kaya umayos sa iska eh dyan
31:10.7
And make sure you know
31:11.5
Who you're messing with
31:14.8
Mga lowlifes na yan
31:16.2
Screenshot na yan ah
31:17.7
Ganito tayo mga kameta
31:19.0
Isi-screenshot natin
31:21.0
Mga lahat ng mga walang nga dyan
31:23.0
Who are trying to abuse our space
31:25.1
Or mess around with us
31:26.3
Ipapano kayo sa mga kaibigan natin
31:30.9
Papa, NBI natin mga yan
31:33.3
Akala naman walang yan to
31:35.4
Wala tayong connections
31:38.3
Are you kidding me?
31:39.7
Are you kidding me?
31:41.0
Your name will go straight up
31:42.7
To the authorities
31:47.8
Pakiforward sa akin
31:49.0
Screenshot yung mga niyan
31:51.0
Ang IP address ng mga yan
31:53.9
Sa messenger niyan
31:56.7
This is a safe space
31:59.5
So we're not gonna allow for anyone
32:01.2
We're not gonna allow for anyone
32:03.9
To mess around with us
32:05.3
You did it for 6 years
32:06.8
Pero the tide has shifted
32:09.1
Ibang panon na yan
32:09.9
Gumising na kayo sa katotohanan
32:11.3
Ibang panon na yan
32:13.0
Bating dating panon
32:14.2
May marami na tayong kaibigan
32:16.2
Impositions of power
32:18.2
Yan lang sinasabi ko ah
32:24.6
Umayos kayo dyan ah
32:31.2
You have a disagreement with me
32:34.8
No one is stopping you
32:35.7
Exercise your human rights
32:39.7
Yung mga nasa YouTube na
32:42.2
Nagbabardagulan na sila dyan
32:47.6
Once in a while kasi
32:48.8
You have to remind people
32:49.9
Ako eto parating ko sinasabi
32:53.6
Ikaw may platform
32:54.9
Ikaw ay isang intellectual
32:57.0
You have to also make sure
33:00.0
You draw the line
33:00.9
And you have to make sure
33:01.8
You encourage your supporters
33:04.4
To do the right thing
33:05.9
And to draw the line
33:07.1
Hindi ako naniniwala
33:10.1
Sa mga ginantay pong tao
33:12.1
We are polite people
33:13.6
We follow certain basic rules
33:16.5
We follow certain ethical standards
33:18.4
But when people are abusing our space
33:22.3
, to intimidate us
33:24.0
Or prevent us from having
33:25.0
Intelligent conversation
33:27.0
Zero tolerance tayo dyan
33:29.8
Zero tolerance talaga tayo dyan
33:32.8
Thank you very much
33:34.5
Pag-usapan natin with si
33:41.8
Pag-usapan natin yan mga kameta
33:44.6
What's, what's gonna happen
33:48.9
Umini talaga ulo ka eh
33:50.6
Kinokontrol ko ng sarili ko
33:54.5
Kita nyo na mga kameta
33:56.1
Medyo desperate mode na yata
33:58.2
Desperate mode na yiba dyan
34:00.5
You can see it eh
34:01.9
Nandito desperate na sila
34:03.3
Nagsiscamble na sila
34:04.4
Kaya naggawawala sila dito
34:07.3
Ilan-ilan na lang sila
34:09.2
Pitik-pitik na lang sila
34:13.6
Alam nyo na yung feeling
34:14.7
Na binubuli-buli na sila
34:20.2
No match kayo dito
34:22.1
Kaya yung mga tatrol dito
34:23.3
Pagpupunta kayo dito
34:26.5
Tanggalin ko natin
34:31.8
Ang akin lang mga kameta
34:33.0
We have to keep these spaces
34:35.5
We have to keep these spaces safe
34:40.3
We have to exercise authority
34:42.1
And draw the boundaries
34:44.3
Yun lang naman eh
34:45.7
Just to be clear ah mga kameta
34:47.7
If you have disagreements
34:48.9
Dun sa analysis natin
34:51.5
Mag gano'n lang kayo d'yan
34:52.6
Mag sulat lang kayo
34:53.6
Ng counter-argument yun
34:55.7
No one is stopping you
34:58.6
Pero in the meantime
35:01.6
Walang bastusan guys
35:03.1
We have to draw the line here
35:05.7
Thank you very much
35:08.9
Hindi ko naalam dun
35:10.9
Sa mga masamang tawad na yan
35:12.6
Bahalang Lord sa inyo
35:16.6
Screenshot na yan
35:18.8
Screenshot na yan
35:21.4
Thank you very much again
35:23.3
Sa lahat ng mga sumusuporta
35:24.5
At nagmamahal sa atin
35:25.7
I really appreciate that
35:27.4
Medyo late tayo nagsimula
35:28.9
Binibisita lang natin
35:32.3
Ang sanap ng kwente
35:33.8
Ang dami namin kinikwento
35:34.8
Yung second world war
35:36.1
Yung mga circumstances
35:37.0
That she grew up in
35:38.0
So lola was sharing
35:40.7
How difficult it was
35:41.9
For her to grow up
35:42.9
Nung panahon ng mga hapon
35:43.9
Nung kinongker sila ng hapon
35:45.3
And they had to live in the mountains
35:46.9
They had to survive on
35:49.5
Whatever they could find in nature
35:52.1
That's the kind of family I come from
35:54.1
My grandmother grew up
35:55.5
During Japanese occupation
35:57.5
Three, four year old kid
35:58.6
She had to save her family
36:01.2
All of those things
36:02.0
We come from that kind of background
36:04.3
So you don't mess with us
36:05.7
Make sure you know
36:06.4
Who you're messing with
36:10.3
Importante rin dito
36:12.4
We draw the lines
36:13.5
So that people feel safe
36:14.9
To express their opinion
36:17.4
Aminado ako minsan
36:21.4
But you have to also understand
36:22.9
Where I'm coming from
36:23.9
For six, seven years
36:26.5
You want to bully me
36:28.6
You want to bully me
36:30.6
It's not gonna happen
36:32.8
But I'm not gonna just forget
36:34.3
What they did to us
36:35.8
For six, seven years
36:38.5
Tinutrol-trol tayo
36:39.7
Tinutreten-treten tayo
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Pero hindi tayo nagpa
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Hindi tayo nagpatalo
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Talong-talo yung kampo nila
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Na sobrang marginalized nila
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I'll keep it there
36:57.5
God willing tomorrow
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We'll continue this conversation
37:01.8
Sir Ronald Llamas
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Medyo gabi na yan
37:06.9
Lelo is joining us from
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University of California
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So just before his class
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Kausapin natin siya
37:12.6
So this will be a little bit
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Late in the night
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So I think around 11pm
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Something like that
37:18.5
If ever there's any big development
37:26.5
Just wait na lang for us
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Medyo nung nakita ko yung mga ganun
37:31.4
Bumalik ulit yung
37:32.4
Yung nakaganyan mode ko
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Kasi ano yung alternative
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You cannot call yourself
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An intellectual or patriot
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Biglang di ka na magsalita
37:47.3
Wala na mangyari sa atin
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Sacrifices she made
37:52.3
So yun lang mga kameta
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Yari talaga itong mga ito sa atin
37:56.0
Tawag na natin si
37:58.2
Mga kaibigan natin
37:59.5
Sa National Security Council
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Isang tawag lang sa akin
38:06.3
Malangiyang mga yan
38:14.6
Ito talaga mga kadidyes na yan
38:17.7
Thank you very much
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And talk to you soon
38:21.8
Ang init kasi dito pala eh
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Pag nakaganyan kayo
38:29.3
Thank you very much
38:31.2
And talk to you soon
38:32.9
Please also make sure
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You spend time with your
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Lola and loved ones
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That's always a priority
38:37.2
Comes before everything
38:41.7
Thank you very much
38:42.9
And talk to you soon
38:43.7
And yung mga ibang troll dyan
38:45.9
Don't worry about it
38:48.6
Thank you very much
38:51.0
Thank you very much
