00:15.1
So huwag siyang magpa-inusente,
00:17.1
huwag siyang magpa-kunyari.
00:18.4
Ay, wala akong kinalaman dyan sa judiciary.
00:20.6
Wait lang, sino nag-appoint ng
00:22.0
Justice Secretary, okay?
00:24.0
At huwag tayo magpanggap,
00:26.6
alam naman natin ang kalakaran.
00:28.2
Okay, he knows what exactly he did to me.
00:31.1
So dapat, he must acknowledge yung gravity.
00:33.7
The gravity ng injustice,
00:36.2
the travesty of justice,
00:37.7
yung mga pangapi niya sa kanya.
00:39.9
But of course, of course mga kameta,
00:42.8
as we discussed last night
00:44.5
with Ka-RNR among others
00:46.2
and also doon sa sarili kong analysis,
00:48.3
of course the question right now is,
00:52.0
So suing Rodrigo Duterte
00:54.0
could be one option for Leila Dalima.
00:56.0
At least she's indicating that
00:57.8
she's committed to that track.
00:59.8
And then kanina, meron din tayong
01:01.3
meron din tayong news item na shinare natin.
01:05.6
Ito, former Senate President
01:06.9
Frank Lidrillon, who by the way
01:08.3
was also the former Justice Secretary.
01:10.3
So this is someone who knows a thing or two
01:12.1
about law. Sabi niya,
01:13.8
hindi lang si Digong, no?
01:15.4
Potentially, former DOJ Secretary
01:17.5
Vitaliano Aguirre II.
01:19.7
O alam niya na, ito yung mga ano,
01:21.3
mga ano natin dyan.
01:24.0
Who allegedly forced the witness
01:25.8
to testify against former Senate,
01:27.3
I'm sorry about that.
01:29.3
Okay, nice. Nice time.
01:31.0
Who allegedly forced the witness to testify against former
01:33.0
Sen. Dalima may be imprisoned for
01:35.1
10 to 12 years if proven guilty
01:37.5
na ito, na sineset up talaga
01:40.2
Senadora na si Leila Dalima.
01:43.1
So, it looks like the game plan
01:45.2
right now, the game plan right now
01:49.3
doon sa kampo ni Leila Dalima is that
01:51.2
they're prepared na. And I'm sure na all those
01:54.8
she was in detention at hindi pa siya
01:57.3
nag-grant ng bail, they were anticipating
01:59.5
itong opportunity na just
02:01.4
in case if mapalaya siya
02:03.2
under a non-Digong administration,
02:05.8
perhaps there'll be also an opening
02:07.4
for her to get back, no?
02:09.2
And to take the fight back doon sa
02:11.3
kanyang tormentors
02:13.5
in that sense. And of course,
02:15.6
again, Sen. Dalima has made it sure
02:17.2
this is not about only her case, not
02:19.2
only more than 6 years or almost
02:21.4
7 years of her life,
02:23.3
thousands of days of her lives,
02:25.4
so 24 hours, and then times,
02:29.0
Almost 2,000 days, no? So, yun yung nawalan
02:31.2
sa kanya. But this is about yung
02:33.1
at least, ayon sa kanyang kampo,
02:35.5
ito yung pambababoy,
02:38.0
bastardization and adulterization
02:41.0
ng the justice system na
02:42.5
allegedly nangyari sa dating administration,
02:45.6
mga kameta. So, yun, yun, yun, yun po
02:47.2
ang situation here. So, of course,
02:50.6
Digong is potentially the one that they'll
02:53.3
go after, if justice,
02:55.4
former Justice Aguirre is the one that they'll go after,
02:57.3
go potentially after, then you can guess
02:59.2
there are also other people in the radar
03:01.2
here, diba? Yung mga iba dyan
03:05.0
of course, I mean,
03:07.3
eto ata, let me be quite serious about this.
03:09.4
Of course, may mga tao dyan
03:10.8
na unfortunately kulang sa discretion.
03:13.8
May mga tao dyan na dahil sa mga
03:15.2
kulto-kulto dyan, may mga tao
03:17.3
dyan dahil sa kanilang hatred,
03:19.1
sa kanilang lack of moral conviction,
03:21.3
sa kanilang lack of
03:25.0
sa kanilang political hatred,
03:27.3
dahil sa kanilang
03:28.4
na-brainwash itong mga
03:30.8
ibang kasama natin dyan.
03:33.2
Unfortunately, yung mga iba dyan
03:34.4
nadadala, no, back in the day
03:37.4
dun sa mga kalokohan,
03:42.5
ubusin kind of mindset, no.
03:44.9
Yung super galit sa lahat
03:47.3
ng mga dilawan, sinisisi lahat ng mga
03:49.1
dilawan sa lahat ng nangyaring masama, even if
03:51.4
hindi naman dilawan si
03:52.7
Erap Estrada, kamusta naman yung administration ni Erap,
03:55.2
hindi naman technically, I mean,
03:57.3
Ramos, President Ramos was actually
03:58.7
a first cousin of Marcos' and he was
04:01.3
also a top military official
04:03.4
throughout the days during the Marcos era,
04:06.1
even if hindi dilawan
04:07.3
si Arroyo in a sense, I mean, seriously,
04:09.4
I mean, Arroyo is dilawan, I mean, Arroyo is as close
04:11.4
as you can get into the
04:12.8
de facto mentor of Digong, among others.
04:15.3
So, all of yung mga
04:17.3
pangbababo, yung mga ideological
04:19.2
brainwashing, all of that
04:21.0
horrible, horrible, horrible,
04:23.3
horrible, horrible,
04:24.8
horrible, thinking,
04:27.3
everything na nangyari
04:29.2
throughout the years. So, unfortunately,
04:33.2
nadala dun sa hatred
04:35.2
of the moment, emotion of the moment, but
04:37.2
there are some people na alam natin,
04:39.8
alam nila na hindi totoo
04:41.4
yung mga accusations laban
04:43.2
former Senator Dalima,
04:47.3
and yet, and yet, they
04:49.1
abused their office, yes, some of these
04:51.3
people were in positions of power, and others
04:53.2
abused their platforms and influence to
04:55.2
spread nonsense, to spread
04:59.3
barbarous, barbarous
05:01.3
kind of disinformation,
05:05.4
very misogynist, very misogynist,
05:10.3
vulgarity against
05:11.2
the ex-Senator. So, maybe, it's time
05:13.4
to draw the line, it's time to draw the line,
05:15.5
so, mukhang Senator Dalima
05:17.2
will be looking at the number of people,
05:19.1
starting with, alam nyo na sino,
05:21.4
and then yung mga henchmen, yung mga
05:23.2
yung mga, alam nyo na,
05:25.3
yung mga minions,
05:27.2
among others. So, let's see
05:29.2
where this is gonna go. This is very interesting. Now,
05:32.1
kahapon, pinag-usapan
05:33.4
din natin yung prospects, mga kameta,
05:35.4
for moving in the direction
05:37.1
of, eto na, moving
05:39.2
in the direction of, dapat dito ko siguro
05:41.1
nilagay yung lighting, ah, medyo dark.
05:42.9
Moving in the direction of
05:48.1
di ba? Moving in the direction of
05:49.2
ICC, nangayos ko. I think okay pa naman
05:51.2
tong lighting neto. Moving in the direction of ICC.
05:54.3
Okay ba yung sounds natin dyan?
05:55.4
Hindi naman malayo. Sorry, ha.
05:57.2
I-setup, setup lang natin. Eto, moving in the sense,
05:59.4
in the direction of ICC. Now,
06:03.4
people are sensing that
06:05.3
baka hindi tapos ang
06:06.9
unfinished business itong ICC na to.
06:09.5
Now, just, just, not to get ahead of
06:11.4
ourselves, remember, the reason
06:13.5
why medyo nag-disagree ako kay
06:17.6
hindi pa ko alam niya R&R, mas na-predict ko
06:19.6
tong, tong, ano. But anyway,
06:21.8
mamaya na tayo mag-credit, grabing.
06:25.4
because I was very optimistic,
06:29.1
Lela Delima being freed this year.
06:31.1
At least unveiled, no?
06:32.7
I was very optimistic as soon as lumabas
06:35.4
yung memo, at saka as soon as
06:37.5
na-gets ko na medyo
06:38.8
delikado na itong unitim na yan.
06:41.1
So, you can check that in yung next two episodes
06:42.9
natin with Leloy Cloudy. This was
06:44.5
six, eight months? And I think even
06:47.1
last year, medyo na-
06:48.0
na-mention ko yung possibility na yan, diba?
06:51.4
I remember very well Leloy saying something like
06:53.2
I like your way of thinking. Ganun yung
06:55.1
response niya. So, anyway, uh,
06:57.0
bukas, by the way, tuloy sana,
06:59.1
God willing, yung, uh, RRL natin,
07:01.5
Review of Related Literature, hindi.
07:03.6
Ricardo, Ronaldo, and
07:05.0
Lisandro, no? Itong RRL naman natin
07:07.3
bukas, pag-usapan natin, maraming time
07:08.8
pag-usapan. Now, now, going back to this,
07:11.1
one reason why I was a bit skeptical about the
07:12.9
ICC issue is because, as I said nga,
07:15.5
the ICC issue could be a rallying
07:19.0
DDS camp, no? Because, kung
07:21.1
talagang may posibilidad
07:25.0
ma-investiga, or ma-ano,
07:27.0
tapos si tatay, biglang,
07:28.8
ay, matanda na ako, ganun-ganun,
07:30.8
alam nyo na, diba? That could be a rallying cry.
07:33.2
That could be an emotionally resonant
07:35.1
rallying cry, and pwede mag-backfire
07:37.1
kay BBM yan sa midterm elections.
07:39.3
So, sabi ko, unless BBM
07:41.1
ay siguradong-sigurado na,
07:43.0
you know, they got, uh, you know,
07:45.2
they got this under control, meaning the whole
07:47.2
political situation ahead of the midterm elections
07:49.2
and, and they got this in the bag
07:51.2
in a sense that they're confident that they're gonna do
07:53.0
very well in midterm elections, delikado yan, move na yan
07:55.2
if they move in that direction. So, I'm,
07:57.0
I'm still skeptical that BBM will
07:59.0
jump on the ICC, considering that
08:01.1
yung official position
08:02.9
ng kanyang administration, and even
08:04.9
in his own statements earlier, earlier
08:06.9
this year, sabi niya, we're done with the ICC
08:08.8
essentially. So, just, just to refresh,
08:11.0
no, back in July, July
08:12.7
20th, sabi ni President Fernando Marquez Jr.,
08:15.4
uh, sa isang speech na,
08:16.9
done na po ang Pilipinas with the International
08:18.8
Criminal Court, after
08:20.9
the ICC announced its decision
08:22.9
to resume its probe into drug war killings,
08:25.2
uh, alleged killings under
08:27.0
sa ilalim, sa ilalim ng
08:28.8
sa ilalim ng previous administration.
08:31.7
So, I think sabi ni Marquez Jr.
08:33.0
in July. That's it. We have no
08:34.9
appeal spending. We have no more actions being
08:37.1
taken. So, I suppose that puts an end to our dealings
08:39.1
with the ICC. So, we continue to defend
08:41.1
the sovereignty of the Philippines and continue to question
08:43.0
the jurisdiction of the ICC in their
08:45.0
investigations here in the Philippines. But, of course, that's
08:47.0
what he said, right? Now, since July,
08:49.3
of course, many things have changed. Yung
08:51.0
unity may more or less
08:52.8
tapos na, functionally
08:54.8
over yung unity, although I suspect,
08:57.0
PBM himself will say nice things
08:58.9
about Sarah and even be nice and
09:01.0
hold back from attacking the former
09:02.9
president. But, in many ways,
09:04.8
functionally, the unity team has disintegrated.
09:06.9
So, that's one big change since July.
09:09.1
The other big change since July
09:13.8
So, habang lumalala
09:14.9
itong situation sa West Philippines, sinay kita
09:16.8
natin na mas komportable
09:18.4
na ang administration natin
09:20.8
na pag-usapan ang additional
09:22.7
arbitration case against China.
09:24.8
So, now the Philippine government
09:26.5
is suddenly talking about rule of law. Now, the
09:28.6
Philippine government is suddenly talking about
09:30.4
potentially leveraging
09:32.6
international law and international
09:34.6
legal instruments to defend the Philippine national
09:36.6
interest. So, kung ganyan
09:38.9
ang peg mo bigla na, ah,
09:40.8
okay, okay, okay, baka pwede tayo,
09:42.7
pwede natin kasuhan ulit ng China
09:44.6
for additional arbitration case. Now, of course, if you
09:46.7
want to know more details about
09:48.6
the potential for
09:49.7
supplementary or complementary
09:52.7
or subsequent forms of
09:54.5
arbitration, please check my interview.
09:56.5
With former Associate Justice
09:58.1
Antonio Carpio, someone who knows a thing or two
10:00.4
about international law. So, pinag-usapan
10:02.6
namin yung arbitration case of 2016.
10:04.5
Pinag-usapan din natin yung 2019 case
10:06.6
against Xi Jinping and top
10:08.4
Chinese leader at the ICC.
10:10.5
Right? So, we have two, at least two
10:12.3
forms of arbitration cases have
10:14.4
been filed against China with varying
10:16.4
degrees of success or not so success.
10:18.9
But the idea here was tuloy-tuloy
10:20.6
dapat yung legal warfare or lawfare.
10:22.5
So, now the Philippine government
10:24.1
is openly suggesting that,
10:26.5
they're open. I'm talking about the DOJ, I'm talking
10:28.6
about the Solicitor General.
10:30.6
So, these are the very people, right,
10:32.7
who in one way or another were very ICC
10:34.6
skeptical, right?
10:36.5
ICC skeptics, no?
10:38.4
But now, these are the very people
10:40.7
that are saying we can leverage international legal
10:42.5
instruments to push
10:44.5
for the Philippine sovereign rights.
10:46.4
Now, obviously, of course, there are two
10:48.5
different things, you know? When you talk about
10:50.6
the Philippines sovereign rights
10:52.3
in the West Philippine Sea, hindi yan sakot ng
10:54.5
ICC technically speaking, or at least,
10:56.5
well, depends eh.
10:58.3
Depends eh. Kasi yung case na ginawa nung
11:00.2
2019, this is not by the Philippine
11:02.4
government, but this is by former
11:03.9
and the late Foreign Secretary
11:08.8
former Associate Justice
11:14.7
Morales. So, please check yung
11:16.2
interview ko. Please check yung interview
11:18.4
ko with Conchita Morales,
11:20.3
Justice Conchita Morales and Secretary,
11:22.9
late Secretary Del
11:24.5
Rosario. Mahanap niyan sa online.
11:26.5
So, I interviewed them before dun sa ICC
11:28.6
case na fina nilalaban sa China
11:30.3
ukol sa West Philippine Sea.
11:32.3
So, what they did was, because ICC
11:34.4
doesn't cover sovereign
11:35.8
entities, it covers individuals.
11:38.5
So, kinasuan yung individual
11:40.7
Chinese leaders na allegedly
11:42.3
involved in violating the basic
11:44.3
human rights of the Philippine people
11:45.8
by depriving the Philippine fishermen,
11:48.4
yung mayingista natin, the right
11:50.5
and the ability to exercise
11:54.1
yung traditional fishing rights nila.
11:56.5
Diyan sa West Philippine Sea,
11:58.5
sa Panatak Shoal, among others. So, dinikit nila po
12:00.9
yung 2016 Arbitration Award
12:02.7
dun sa mandato ng ICC
12:04.4
and then kinasuan nila yung mga
12:06.4
top leaders ng China. Now, that legal
12:08.6
move didn't prove to be so successful
12:12.3
that's my point. Ngayon, meron kang mga top
12:14.6
Philippine officials suddenly talking about
12:16.6
international legal instrument. So,
12:20.1
super hostile ka sa ICC
12:22.3
and then umasa ka sa ibang international
12:24.5
legal instrument to help you out.
12:26.5
You get what I'm saying? I mean, again,
12:28.2
obviously, technically, they're different.
12:32.0
They're different because if you're gonna
12:34.1
file another arbitration case against China,
12:36.1
this most likely will have to do
12:40.6
a thing or two with...
12:43.9
No, no. This will be under Article 287
12:46.1
Annex 7 of UNCLOS.
12:47.9
So, this will be compulsory arbitration potentially,
12:50.4
right? Again, again, again, because
12:52.0
China is not gonna agree to be part of it, so we
12:54.0
have to go through compulsory arbitration.
12:56.5
And previously, we proved that
12:58.1
that could be exercised under certain
13:00.4
circumstances. So, ibang usapan
13:02.6
yung mga legal niceties, but
13:04.4
for me, psychologically, morally,
13:06.5
diplomatically, very important
13:08.6
ngang Philippines sends a clear
13:10.4
signal that we are one
13:12.5
with international legal instruments and we
13:14.4
believe in the value of international legal instruments.
13:16.6
So, if that's your positioning, and which
13:18.2
I believe should be the position of the Philippines,
13:20.5
and then you keep on bashing ICC,
13:23.1
which is a manifestation
13:24.3
of international legal instrument, international
13:26.5
medyo sabog yan, right?
13:29.0
Medyo may disjuncture dyan.
13:30.7
So, that's the thing that
13:32.5
has to be harmonized.
13:34.5
So, potentially, you may see
13:36.3
because of the disintegration and implosion
13:38.4
of the UNITEAM, because of the
13:42.4
an additional supplementary
13:44.2
arbitration threat against China
13:46.6
because of the West Philippines, because of our
13:48.5
efforts to protect the Philippines'
13:50.7
sovereign rights in the West Philippines.
13:52.0
Baka ngayon, medyo lalambot
13:54.4
ang position ng gobyerno sa ICC.
13:56.5
So, those are the two factors I see at the very
13:58.6
least, which may have been game
14:00.6
changers since July
14:02.7
when President Marco Jr. made those
14:04.5
very strong statements. And that's it. We have
14:06.4
no appeal spending. We have no more actions being
14:08.4
taken. So, I suppose that puts an end to our
14:10.5
dealings with the ICC. You may get imposition.
14:13.1
My sense is there's a third
14:16.4
And the third element is
14:22.2
partners of the Philippines.
14:23.9
I won't be surprised.
14:25.5
I don't have a direct information.
14:26.5
And if I have a direct information, I won't share
14:28.5
it with you. Of course, it will be confidential.
14:31.1
My sense is, and actually, I
14:32.5
wrote about it. I said this is important.
14:34.5
My sense is, behind the scenes, quietly,
14:37.2
America, the Biden
14:38.3
administration, yung mga European counterparts
14:40.4
natin, gently nudged
14:42.6
BBM to make some reforms on the
14:44.5
human rights front. Just as
14:46.4
the two sides doubled down dun sa kanilang
14:48.6
cooperation on geopolitical
14:50.5
front and dealing with China. So, this is a third factor.
14:52.7
And kind of, they're all related in one way or another.
14:54.6
Di ba? Related because
14:56.5
as I said, hindi ka maging kampante to take
14:58.4
on Duterte if you don't feel you have international support.
15:00.7
Hindi ka maging kampante to take a tougher
15:02.5
stance on West Philippines if you don't feel you have international
15:04.6
support. But that international support also perhaps
15:06.6
came with international moral
15:08.3
suasion, right? Essentially,
15:12.2
to do something on human rights front. Because
15:14.5
let's be honest, my reputation
15:16.3
among Marcos is, so if you're a
15:18.4
democratic administration in the White House like
15:20.3
Biden, if you're a, you know,
15:22.4
assumed moral agent in international affairs
15:24.4
like the European Union, you cannot forever
15:26.3
be nice to Marcos Jr. and not
15:28.4
face criticism like, wait, wait,
15:30.4
beshi na kayo ni Marcos dahil hate niyo yung China?
15:32.8
Or beshi kayo ni Marcos because
15:34.4
Marcos is really a reformer bringing something
15:36.4
good. So, bringing something
15:38.3
good and being a reformer, something has to be done on that
15:40.4
front. So, I'm sure
15:42.2
behind the scenes, need a nudge
15:44.1
see BBM to take a softer stance
15:46.2
on the ICC issue and in exchange, there'll be more
15:48.3
support for him on West Philippine Sea, on other
15:50.4
issues and, well, you can guess,
15:52.6
right? There are many things to
15:54.2
keep in mind. So,
15:56.3
that's why I said, in theory,
15:58.9
it is possible that the ICC
16:00.3
is now again, once again, an option. But I,
16:02.6
but again, this is where I kind of disagree with
16:04.3
Ronald. I said, medyo hinay-hinay
16:06.5
siguro si Marcos Jr. So, I don't
16:08.4
think Marcos Jr. will jump on this unless
16:10.1
he's absolutely sure
16:11.7
that he's prepared to go all
16:14.3
in. Because it's one thing for the
16:16.3
Lima to be freed, more or less.
16:18.7
It's one thing for,
16:20.9
you know what I'm saying, the confidential
16:22.3
fund of Sara to be removed and all of that.
16:24.3
It's one thing na mademot si Arroyo, you know,
16:26.3
those things are, of course, already more than
16:28.2
warning shots. But, once ICC
16:30.4
comes in and tries to, I don't know, investigate
16:32.1
or arrest for, you know,
16:34.2
members of the former administration, including
16:36.4
you know who, then ibang usapan na yan.
16:38.2
Ibang usapan na yan, diba? Sobrang
16:40.5
escalation na yan. Big time na yan.
16:42.2
Next level na yan. O, yung mga kadidyes natin dyan,
16:44.3
excited na. O, excited na na naman
16:46.3
kigera. Alright? So,
16:49.3
this is where I think it's interesting that
16:52.3
you are seeing some statements
16:54.6
coming from, especially those who are
16:56.1
close to the ICC. So,
16:56.2
you are seeing some statements coming from, especially those who are close to the ICC.
16:56.3
So, you are seeing some statements coming from, especially those who are close to the ICC.
16:56.4
to the former president.
16:59.0
Now, just to be clear,
17:00.1
first of all, this is a statement
17:02.3
that we saw from a
17:04.4
number of officials
17:08.2
you know, the independence
17:10.9
supposed independence of Philippine judiciary. I will go
17:14.3
to that person yet. But, before that, first,
17:16.2
Justice Secretary Justin Crispin
17:18.1
Ramulia said, the grant of bail
17:20.2
show that courts are independent and that
17:21.8
democracy is alive and well in our country.
17:24.5
So, union position ng Justice
17:26.3
Secretary Justin Crispin.
17:26.3
And, obviously, he has
17:28.1
every interest to
17:29.2
claim that the Philippine
17:32.2
justice system is fantastic.
17:34.3
Well, based on what?
17:35.9
This sample? A single sample? As big as this
17:38.2
sample is? But, this is where things are more interesting
17:40.3
because former senator,
17:42.2
I'm sorry, senator
17:43.8
Amy Marcos, who is very close to President
17:46.2
Duterte, also immediately came out
17:48.2
and said, this case
17:50.0
proves that independent at
17:52.2
functional ang Philippine
17:54.2
judiciary. So, sabi niya, the independence of
17:56.2
judiciary is present and true.
17:58.5
Our court is court of law and justice,
18:00.7
oblivious of personalities or
18:02.8
any political noise. Senator
18:06.7
de Lima's bail yesterday was a testament to that.
18:08.7
Okay. Now, obviously, you can
18:10.7
see what is the legal implication.
18:14.3
And, by extension, political implication of
18:16.4
this kind of claims, no? If
18:18.8
you maintain that the
18:20.8
Philippine judicial system is
18:22.7
functional and that the Philippine
18:24.8
judicial system is working,
18:26.1
and perfect, based on this single sample,
18:28.5
right? In the meantime, ang dami pa
18:30.2
ang mga other cases. Kamusta yung kaso
18:32.2
ni Percy Lapid? Kamusta
18:36.2
yung mga recently slain na mga
18:38.0
journalist? Yung mga slain na mga
18:39.8
mga abugado, among others,
18:42.0
among others, di ba? If you look
18:44.3
at all of that, mga kameta,
18:46.5
of course, you're gonna raise your eyebrows and say,
18:48.3
wait, I'm not sure Philippines is there
18:50.2
yet. I mean, of course, this is a move in the right
18:52.2
direction. But, again, you'll
18:54.1
understand why they'll claim that. They'll
18:56.1
claim that because exactly as Senator
18:57.9
Amy Marcos mentioned,
19:01.1
functional and independent Philippine courts,
19:04.4
therefore, under the principle
19:06.2
of complementarity, dapat walang
19:08.2
pake ang ICC to come
19:10.2
in. In fact, as she put it,
19:12.5
clearly, ICC has no business
19:14.5
meddling with our justice system
19:15.9
because, under the principle of
19:18.2
complementarity, papasok lang
19:20.6
ICC if there are grounds
19:26.1
hindi gumagani yung justice system natin.
19:28.0
So, please, check yung interviews ko.
19:30.3
Not one, multiple interviews natin
19:32.1
with legal experts, international
19:34.0
humanitarian law experts, among others,
19:36.1
especially, Atty. Carranza.
19:38.7
So, we discussed the principle
19:40.1
of complementarity and we discussed
19:41.8
why the Philippines has not
19:44.2
been able to establish effectively
19:46.1
that its courts are doing
19:48.0
their job when it comes to the EJK
19:50.2
cases. Because if you have
19:51.7
thousands, if not tens of thousands
19:54.3
of alleged EJKs, and
19:56.1
then, mga pitik-pitik lang
19:58.1
dito, dyan lang nagkaroon ng
20:02.1
trial and judicial
20:04.2
dispensation, then may problema tayo
20:08.0
others are arguing, and this is actually the argument
20:10.1
also of ICC, is that, yes,
20:12.3
under the principle of complementarity,
20:13.9
we can only come in
20:16.0
as a last resort.
20:18.1
And, guess what? We do not believe
20:20.2
that the Philippine courts
20:21.4
have, the Philippine
20:24.2
judicial system as a whole, not only
20:26.0
the courts, because kasama rin yung mga executive
20:27.9
judicial branches, judicial
20:31.6
the position of ICC is that,
20:33.9
hindi kayo nagpakita ng willingness.
20:36.1
Diba? So, kung hindi kayo nagpakita ng
20:37.9
willingness, then, iwan nyo na lang
20:40.1
sa amin yan. And, of course, as
20:42.0
we always say, kung wala naman itatago
20:44.1
ang dating administration, kung wala
20:45.9
naman talagang mali, kung puro mga propaganda
20:48.1
lang pala yung nangyari dito sa mga
20:49.8
allegations na yan, and then, dapat wala silang
20:52.0
ikakatakot, diba?
20:56.0
this is what's happening
20:58.2
right now. So, allies
21:00.3
of Duterte are essentially coming out,
21:02.3
including, especially, Senator
21:03.8
Amy Marcos, coming out and saying,
21:05.4
see, e, kung mapapalaya
21:08.5
na si Dalima, and she's already on bail,
21:10.7
and that means our courts are working.
21:12.8
Well, of course, what was not
21:14.6
mentioned is that, well, it took seven years
21:16.8
for her to get a bail.
21:19.2
Why there was such
21:20.5
a delay in terms of her
21:22.6
trial? There was no explanation of
21:24.5
tens of thousands,
21:26.0
of unresolved alleged EJ case.
21:28.6
There's no explanation of all of those
21:30.4
other slain journalist
21:32.6
cases that remain unresolved.
21:34.7
So, I don't think anyone who knows
21:36.4
a thing or two about
21:38.3
a functional judicial
21:40.6
system, about rule of law,
21:42.4
would confidently argue that the Philippines
21:44.3
is there already. Now, again,
21:48.5
the Philippine courts,
21:51.0
the Philippine judicial authorities
21:52.3
for showing good signs
21:54.0
in recent months, and, and, and,
21:56.0
I think the situation has improved significantly
21:58.5
over the past year. But let's not
22:00.5
kid ourselves. Malayong malayo pa tayo
22:04.2
rule of law, right?
22:09.2
Okay, etong gagong
22:10.5
Jojo Moreno ba yan? I know that's a
22:12.5
fake account, oh. You, umayos ka,
22:14.8
okay? Papakakasuhan ka kita,
22:16.9
ha? Mahanapin ko yung IP address mo.
22:18.8
No bullshit here, ha? Sorry about that.
22:22.6
if you disagree with me, okay?
22:24.1
If you disagree with me,
22:26.0
you can disagree with me substantially, but don't make any
22:28.1
threats or any nonsense there, okay?
22:30.2
Okay. Anyway, alright,
22:32.0
this is just a discussion, mga kameta. We're just
22:34.0
looking at the analysis aspect here, and we're looking,
22:36.2
we're trying to look at the dynamics.
22:38.2
Hindi, kasi mga kameta, napansin ko, ha,
22:40.3
biglang mula kaapon, et cetera,
22:42.0
dumadami na naman itong mga walang yan, trolls na yan.
22:44.2
Most likely, hindi totoong account yan, but
22:46.0
if totoong account yan, pakireport
22:48.2
yan, ha? Pakireport yung
22:50.1
ano na yan, yung gagong yan, okay?
22:52.5
You don't come here and make statements
22:54.0
like that, alright? Umayos ka.
22:56.0
IP address ko yan. Umayos ka.
22:58.7
You guys should know who you're messing
23:00.4
with, okay? Hindi nyo na panoon
23:02.4
to, okay? Umayos ka dyan.
23:04.6
Alright? We're not gonna allow you guys
23:06.3
to intimidate us anymore. Natry niyan
23:08.2
for six, seven years. Umayos ka
23:10.2
dyan. Okay. Pareport niyan, ha?
23:12.4
Pa-screenshot yung pangalan niyan.
23:14.3
Kung sino nga nag-threaten dyan, tsaka
23:15.9
nagsasabi ng mga katangan dyan,
23:18.2
paki yan, ha? Paki-screenshot yan.
23:20.1
Forward natin yan sa mga authorities.
23:22.9
Walang iya, ipipin
23:24.5
down natin yung IP address nyo.
23:26.0
Umayos kayo. Umayos kayo dyan, ha?
23:28.4
I'm not kidding around here.
23:30.1
Okay? I know yun is a fake account, but
23:31.8
good luck sa'yo kung yung fake account yan.
23:36.3
Pakihan niyan, ha? Pakihan niyan.
23:38.6
I-screenshot niyan. Basta kung may
23:40.2
isang gago dyan, nagka-comment
23:42.3
dyan, paki-screenshot nyo, ha?
23:44.1
Okay? Hanapin natin yan. Sorry about that.
23:46.1
Sorry. No, because this is a serious issue,
23:48.3
alright? And we're expressing our views here.
23:50.0
If you disagree with me, I'm perfectly fine with that.
23:52.5
Except I doubt any of you
23:54.1
guys who are trolling me are anywhere close.
23:56.0
to analytic accuracy
23:58.3
or anything like that, alright?
24:00.0
Umayos kayo. Hindi niya panon to, alright?
24:02.2
This is an intellectual conversation.
24:04.5
If your tiny brain cannot
24:06.1
take it, then get out of here.
24:07.9
We don't need you, alright? We have thousands of
24:10.0
people watching us, so we don't need you.
24:12.1
So sorry about that, okay? Umayon itong ulo ko.
24:13.9
Medyo gabi na. 10pm na ito.
24:16.8
I'm just doing my best here,
24:18.3
okay? To have an intelligent
24:20.0
conversation about a high-stakes issue. So
24:22.0
yung mga iba dyan, umayos kayo, okay?
24:24.1
Okay? Believe me,
24:26.0
I'm not gonna be nice.
24:28.1
I'm not gonna be nice just like that, alright?
24:30.0
Ikaw ang umayos. Sinong makausap mo?
24:34.1
Anyway, let's wrap this up.
24:39.5
Ayan na yung mga ibang
24:40.2
trolls natin sa YouTube, etc.
24:42.3
No, I mean, unfortunately, this
24:43.9
is part of the business.
24:46.0
They have tried to do this for a long time, diba?
24:48.1
For 6-7 years, ini-intimidate tayo.
24:50.1
Tignan mo naman yung ginawa nila kay
24:52.0
Layla Dalima. Tignan mo naman yung nangyari
24:53.9
kay, oh, alam mo na, diba?
24:56.0
They've tried to do this to a lot of us, to a lot of
24:58.1
people. They've tried to intimidate us and all.
25:00.1
But yun nga eh. Yun nga talaga.
25:01.8
Yun na talaga, mga kameta. If mahina tayo,
25:04.7
if magpapaintimidate tayo
25:06.1
sa mga walang yung mga low-lifes na yan,
25:08.2
right? Wala. Walang
25:10.0
mangyari sa bansa natin. Wala talaga
25:11.8
mangyari sa bansa natin. And at the same time,
25:14.2
mga kameta, oh, let's be
25:16.0
absolutely clear about this. This is
25:17.9
analysis, alright? We're not making any legal
25:20.0
claims or anything like that. I just said
25:21.7
alleged EJKs. Alleged this.
25:23.9
So everything comes with a caveat because we're
25:26.0
still have to wait for courts to
25:27.7
make the final judgment on these issues.
25:30.2
But what I wanted to really talk about here,
25:31.9
ayan, iyakan nga talaga mga yan. Nagpa-panic
25:34.1
mode na sila eh, diba? Pathetic
25:36.1
nga eh. Pathetic. Umayos talaga
25:37.9
kayo, ah. Alright. Akala nyo
25:40.0
mabait ako? You don't mess
25:42.1
with me, okay? You don't mess with me.
25:44.3
Okay? Six years. Yung six
25:46.0
years na yan, hinaras-haras nyo kami.
25:48.1
Nag-threaten-threaten nyo kami, alright?
25:50.6
Hindi kami nagpatalo sa inyo
25:52.0
kaya umayos sa EJK dyan, alright?
25:54.0
And make sure you know who you're messing with.
25:57.7
Walang iya. Mga low-lifes na yan.
26:00.1
Screenshot nyo yan, ah. Ganito tayo mga kameta.
26:04.0
natin mga lahat ng mga walang iya dyan.
26:06.0
Alright? We're trying to abuse their space.
26:07.9
Alright? Or mess around with us.
26:10.5
Ipapano ko yan sa mga kaibigan
26:11.7
natin sa gobyerno. Alright?
26:13.8
Dun sa mga, ipapa-NBI natin mga yan.
26:17.6
Akala nyo mga walang iyan ito. Wala tayong connections.
26:21.6
Are you kidding me? Okay? Are you kidding me?
26:23.7
You mess with me, your name will go
26:26.0
up to the authorities.
26:27.8
Okay? Umayos kayo dyan. Umayos kayo dyan.
26:30.5
Pakian na, ha. Pakiforward
26:32.1
sa akin. I-screenshot yung mga niyan.
26:33.7
Hanapin natin ang IP address ng mga yan.
26:35.7
Hanapin natin mga yan. Pakiforward dyan sa
26:37.5
messenger niyan. Okay?
26:39.5
This is a safe space, supposedly.
26:42.4
Okay? So we're not gonna allow
26:43.9
for anyone. We're not gonna
26:46.0
allow for anyone to mess
26:48.0
around with us. You did it for six years,
26:51.0
pero the tide has shifted.
26:52.2
Okay? Ibang panon na yan. Gumising na kayo
26:54.0
sa katotohanan. Ibang panon na yan.
26:56.0
Actually, dating panon, may marami
26:58.2
na tayong kaibigan na, ano ah,
26:59.7
impositions of power. Alright? Yan lang
27:01.9
sinasabi ko, ha. O,
27:03.9
Leonidas Duro. Sino kausap mo? Ako
27:06.0
o ikaw? May isa ka pa.
27:10.5
Umayos kayo dyan, ha. Umayos
27:12.1
kayo dyan. Again,
27:14.4
you know, you have a disagreement with me.
27:16.1
Okay. Magsulat kayo. Di mag-vlog kayo.
27:18.2
No one is stopping you. Exercise your human
27:23.7
Yung mga nasa YouTube na,
27:26.0
nagbabardagulan na sila dyan.
27:30.1
Sabi ko, ha. Once in a while, kasi
27:32.1
you have to remind people. Ako, ako, ito
27:34.1
parating ko sinasabi.
27:35.9
Pag ikaw yung vlogger, ikaw may platform, etc.
27:38.4
Ikaw yung isang intellectual, etc.
27:41.8
You have to also make sure you draw the line.
27:44.4
And you have to make sure you encourage your
27:46.0
supporters, your followers
27:47.6
to do the right thing and to draw the line.
27:50.6
Ayaw, hindi ako naniniwala sa mga
27:52.0
kameta, sa mga kabaitan, sa mga ganyan
27:53.9
typeong tao, diba?
27:56.0
We are polite people. We
27:57.4
follow certain basic rules.
28:00.1
We follow certain ethical standards.
28:01.9
But when people are abusing our space,
28:05.9
intimidate us or prevent us from
28:08.1
having intelligent conversation,
28:10.1
ay zero tolerance tayo dyan.
28:12.8
Alright? Zero tolerance talaga tayo dyan.
28:14.6
Okay? Alright. On that note,
28:16.3
thank you very much. Again, tomorrow,
28:18.2
pag-usapan natin with si
28:22.0
among others. Okay?
28:23.7
Paring ka-R&R, among others. Pag-usapan natin
28:25.9
yan mga kameta. Tignan natin
28:28.0
what's gonna happen.
28:31.7
anong... Umini talaga ulo ka eh.
28:34.0
Kinokontrol ko ng sarili.
28:38.0
Kita nyo na mga kameta, diba? Medyo
28:39.7
desperate mode na yata yung iba dyan.
28:41.8
Desperate mode na iba dyan. Okay?
28:43.8
You can see it eh. Nandito
28:45.7
desperate na sila. Nagsiscamble na sila.
28:47.8
Kaya nagwawala sila dito. Except,
28:50.0
kita mo naman, ilan-ilan
28:51.8
na lang sila. Pitik-pitik na lang sila.
28:53.9
Diba? But, ganyan talaga.
28:55.9
O, ngayon. Alam nyo na yung feeling
28:58.0
na binubuli-buli na sila.
29:02.7
Wala na. No match
29:04.0
kayo dito. Kayo matutrol
29:06.3
dito. Pagpupunta kayo dito.
29:10.0
tanggalin ko natin. May init.
29:13.4
Hindi. Ang akin lang mga kameta.
29:17.8
these spaces, ano.
29:20.2
We have to keep these spaces safe.
29:22.6
Alright? And that's why
29:23.6
we have to exercise authority and draw
29:25.8
the boundaries among others. Okay?
29:27.7
Yun lang naman eh. But,
29:29.7
just to be clear, mga kameta, if you have
29:31.5
disagreements dun sa analysis natin,
29:33.6
okay lang yun. Okay lang yun. Mag-ano lang
29:35.5
kayo dyan. Mag-sulat lang kayo ng counter-argument
29:38.0
yung mag-post kayo.
29:39.3
No one is stopping you. Alright?
29:41.9
Pero, in the meantime,
29:43.3
walang bastusan. Walang bastusan
29:45.8
guys. Okay? We have to draw the line here.
29:47.7
Okay? On that note, thank you very
29:49.7
much. Maraming salamat sa bukas.
29:53.4
Hindi ko naalam dun sa mga masamang taod na yan.
29:55.8
Ayos ko. Baha lang Lord sa inyo.
29:58.0
Tsaka, baha lang ng NBI sa inyo.
30:01.4
Screenshot na yan.
30:02.2
Screenshot na yan.
30:05.5
Thank you very much again sa lahat ng mga sumusuporta
30:07.9
at nagmamahal sa atin. I really appreciate
30:09.9
that. Kanina lang. Medyo late tayo nagsimula
30:11.7
kasi kanina binibisita lang natin yung
30:15.7
Ang sanap ng kwenta. Ang dami namin
30:17.7
kinikwento yung Second World War,
30:19.5
yung mga circumstances that she grew up in.
30:21.5
So, lola was sharing
30:22.3
how difficult it was for her
30:25.8
to grow up. Nung panahon ng mga Japon, no?
30:27.5
Nung kinonkar siya ng Japon. And they had to live in the
30:29.7
mountains and to survive on
30:31.4
you know, whatever they could
30:33.7
find in nature. So, you know,
30:35.6
that's the kind of family I come from. You know, my
30:37.6
grandmother grew up during Japanese
30:39.5
occupation, right? She was like 3-4 year old
30:41.7
kid. She had to save her family and
30:43.7
loved ones. You know, all of those things. So,
30:45.8
we come from that kind of background, alright?
30:47.7
So, you don't mess with us, alright? Make sure you know
30:49.7
who you're messing with, okay?
30:52.1
Anyway, at the same time,
30:54.7
importante rin dito.
30:55.8
We draw the lines so that people
30:57.6
feel safe to express their opinion.
30:59.5
Now, obviously, okay, aminado ko
31:02.6
kantsawan, medyo gano'n. But you have
31:05.6
to also understand where I'm coming from. For
31:07.5
6-7 years, binuli-buli tayo
31:09.7
except you want to bully
31:11.5
me. You want to bully
31:13.5
me. It's not gonna happen, alright?
31:15.7
But I'm not gonna just forget
31:17.7
what they did to us for 6-7
31:19.8
years. Binuli-buli tayo,
31:21.9
tinutrol-trol tayo, tinutreten-treten
31:23.9
tayo. Pero hindi tayo nagpa, no?
31:25.8
Hindi tayo nagpa-talo. So, ngayon
31:27.8
na talong-talo yung kampo nila
31:29.8
na sobrang marginalized nila. Gusto nila
31:33.7
Mag-feeling dito. Umayis
31:35.9
kayo dyan. Anyway, so
31:39.9
it there and then God willing tomorrow
31:43.8
this conversation with
31:45.2
Sir Ronald Llamas and also with
31:47.7
Lelo Claudio. Medyo gabi na yan
31:49.8
because Lelo is joining us from
31:51.7
University of California, Berkeley. So, just
31:53.7
before his class in the morning, kausapin natin.
31:55.7
So, this will be a little bit late
31:57.7
in the night. So, I think around 11pm, 10pm
31:59.9
something like that. So, please wait for that.
32:02.0
If ever there's any big development,
32:04.0
we're gonna have an
32:05.5
update vlog ahead of that.
32:08.2
But otherwise, just watch
32:09.8
ano, just wait na lang for us. Alright?
32:12.3
Anyway, sorry ha. Medyo nung
32:13.7
nakita ko yung mga ganun, bumalik ulit yung
32:15.8
ano ka eh, yung nakaganyan mode ko.
32:17.8
Kasi for 6 years, mga kameta, nakaganyan
32:21.5
Kasi ano yung alternative? Diba?
32:23.3
You cannot call yourself an intellectual
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na-threaten ka lang, biglang hindi ka na magsalita.
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Eh, kung ganun, wala na mangyari
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sa atin. Kaya nga si Lela
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Daliman, all of the sacrifices she made.
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Diba? So, yun lang mga kameta.
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Alright? Yari talaga itong mga ito sa atin.
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Tawag na natin si ano,
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mga kaibigan natin sa National Security
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Isang tawag lang sa akin, yan. Diretso yun.
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Yung mga walang yung mga yan. Alright?
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Isang montanis. Isa ka pa, ha?
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Ito talaga mga ka-DDS na yan.
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Alright. Thank you very much.
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God bless and talk to you soon.
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And then, pawis ah. Ang init kasi dito pala eh
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pag nakaganyan ka eh.
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Lalo uminit ang ulo natin.
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Alright. On that note, maraming salamat.
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Thank you very much.
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God bless and talk to you soon.
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And yeah, please also make sure you spend time with your
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Lola and loved ones. Alright? That's always a priority.
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Comes before everything, including meta.
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Pero I'm glad na nakahabol tayo. Alright?
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On that note, thank you very much.
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God bless and talk to you soon.
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And yung mga ibang troll dyan, baligan kayo in a second.
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Don't worry about it. Mablock kayo very shortly.
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Thank you very much. God bless.
