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00:00.0
Good evening guys, welcome to tonight's episode of Facts First.
00:28.0
Ako po si Christian Esguerra. As always, maraming maraming salamat po dito po sa patuloy niyo pong pag-suporta dito po sa ating programa.
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Inagaan ko po by one minute yung start na ating program. Alam niyo po, 8.30 lagi yung start natin.
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Pero alam ko marami sa inyo talaga nagmamadali makauwi. May nag-message pa kanina.
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Maagaro siya nagugas ang plato, binilisan niya para mapanood niya ng live ito.
00:49.3
Dahil nung in-announce po natin sa social media kung sino po yung guest natin at kung ano po yung topic natin ngayong gabi,
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marami po na-excite, marami po na-tuwa.
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So without further ado, mabuhasan ko ng konti yung aking introduction.
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Papakalala ko na po yung ating guest.
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Ikaapat na araw, simula po nung makalabas siya sa detention, sa kulungan.
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I think it was, today is the fourth day.
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Pinayagan na po siya mag-piansa finally.
01:16.9
Alam niyo po, isa po ito sa mga pinaka-tinulutukan nating issue dito sa Facts First.
01:20.9
Dahil tulad po nalang sinasabi sa inyo, you don't have to be a fan.
01:23.9
You don't even have to like.
01:25.4
Like former Senator Leila Dilima personally, for you to really understand what was being done to her.
01:31.9
The kind of pressure, the kind of injustice, the kind of harassment that was being done to her.
01:36.7
So finally, makakausap po natin siya ngayong gabi.
01:40.6
So I'd like to welcome to our program ngayong gabi si former Senator Leila Dilima.
01:46.3
Magandang gabi po and thank you for joining us dito po sa Facts First.
01:50.0
Thank you Christian and thank you for having me.
01:53.9
And thank you so much for those.
01:55.4
So intro words of you and maganda yung title ng program of Facts First because it's always, it's always all about facts.
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Iyong nga po eh. Medyo ano muna, gusto ko kayong kumustahin.
02:10.1
Alam niyo po purposely, hindi ko kayo, hindi ko nag-reach out soon after you were released
02:15.0
because I could only imagine the kind of tao dito, the emotions that was going through.
02:20.2
Pero kumusta po ba? Nakapag-ano na ba kayo? Nakapag-settle down na kahit pa paano?
02:25.4
Hindi ko lang nagsisink in yung lahat na pangyayari mula nung lunes, no?
02:29.7
And in fact, my coming here in Bicol, I'm now in my childhood home with my mom because I wanted to visit right away.
02:39.3
My mom, I thought I could just really rest. I thought I could just have some quality private time with my mom
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but it seems it's not happening because of all the visitors that I've been having, the well-wishers,
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those congratulating me about what I have expressed in there.
02:55.4
Great relief, those, you know, with tears of joy and everything
03:00.2
and the successive interviews that I was having.
03:06.2
So, hindi rin ako nakakapagpahinga.
03:09.7
So, it seems na yung quality private time that I've been hoping for and anticipating and coming over,
03:16.3
it's not gonna happen.
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But no regrets because I really love it.
03:22.2
I appreciate it so much that I'm now,
03:25.4
being able to interact with many people and bond once again with the people I know here in our province.
03:35.9
But it's been very exhausting since day one from my release.
03:42.2
Pasensya na po, nakadagdag pa kami dito sa Fox First.
03:45.8
Mahirap talaga mag-relax, no?
03:48.1
Anyway, gaano ba ka, no?
03:50.0
Kadifferent yung situation yung ngayon?
03:52.1
Kasi you were in prison, you were in detention for nearly,
03:55.4
maybe seven years, no?
03:56.7
Ilang months na lang bago mag-70, no?
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Yes, six years, eight months and 21 days to be exact.
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2,454 days in unjust detention.
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Siyempre mahirap ang makulong,
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but I just have to make do and make the best out of it
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by doing whatever I can
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in order to make myself busy.
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Because I, you know,
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I just focus on reading, on praying, on reflecting,
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on making, on doing the contemplative prayer,
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and then doing also physical chores
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to make me busy and to keep me fit.
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And to forget about negativism,
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to just have positive vibes as much as I can,
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and avoid, you know,
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avoid depression.
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And of course, in the very,
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in the small confines of my detention,
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detention quarters,
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with high concrete walls and barbed wires,
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it's so easy to fall into depression.
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But I was really fighting it on a daily basis
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because I felt that I really needed to survive my ordeal.
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I didn't think I would survive.
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Umabot ba kayo dun sa point na parang feeling niyo
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you were descending into some serious depression
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given your situation then?
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Because as I said,
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I kept myself busy.
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I developed a very strict daily routine precisely
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to fight off any depression.
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So there was never any moment na I was sliding down into that stage. Yes, there were moments of sadness. There were moments of crying. Whenever there were sad news, you know, passing away of loved ones, passing away of close friends.
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And then, siyempre, down feelings about what's happening in our society. Because I'm updated also with the news. I read the papers every day.
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Hindi mo naman maiiwasan na na-frustrate ka sa mga sari-saring mga pangyayari.
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But never even close to the level of depression that one would...
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easily get into under my... or under the situation of any person deprived of liberty like myself.
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Ever since naman ang binabanggit nyo, and ito rin naman talaga yung tingin ng marami dito,
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your unjust detention was politically motivated.
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Pero at the start ba, did you expect to really be in prison this long?
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As in more than six years?
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Or somehow you were clinging on to hope na baka naman titutukan yung katotohanan, that is yung facts, and mapalabas kayo?
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When I got arrested, I was... when I bid goodbye to my staff.
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Nung kinuha na ako nung arresting team sa Senado.
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So I had to bid goodbye to my staff. I was telling them,
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Tingnan natin. Maybe for a few days, for a few weeks, for a few months,
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or a year, makakalaya na ako.
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Because we were banking on the petition that we filed before the Supreme Court
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questioning the validity of my arrest.
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So it didn't happen.
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So months went by, years went by, and it took this long.
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But actually, balikan, I can even say that I never did expect...
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that the former president would go to this extent of jailing me.
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I thought it would just be...
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Akala ko, hanggang dun lang siya sa paninira sa aking pagkatao, sa aking reputation.
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You know, I think you all know this, that almost on a daily basis, he would curse me.
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Almost on a daily basis, he would vilify and attack me.
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So akala ko, he knows very well that walang magiging basihan
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kung ano man ang mga kaso na gusto nilang i-file o plano nila noon.
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He knows that, or he knew that.
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And up to now, he knows that those charges that were filed against me
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were simply baseless.
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But they proceeded to do that.
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That's why it was an utter sense of disbelief that I had.
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And in the first days and weeks of my detention.
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Now, and of course, nandiyan na yung kaso.
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And while still he was the president,
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it was next to impossible that I would be freed.
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Especially that three cases, three separate cases of first illegal drug trading,
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consummated illegal trading, and later amended to conspiracy.
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To commit illegal drug trading yung finayl.
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So how could I hope for early freedom or early release
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when they're the ones very responsible for putting me in my situation?
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So there was no chance of that total freedom.
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Yes, there had been initial successes like the junking
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of my first sentence.
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The first case, for lack of evidence.
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And then, later, pero ngayon na yun,
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bagong administrasyon, yung na-acquit ako in another case.
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And this third case now.
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Taya, medyo nawala po yung sound niya, Senator.
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Yan, can you try it again?
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Yung last few words that you mentioned, medyo nawala po eh.
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Can you try again?
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Again, na-mute kayo.
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Let's try to unmute.
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Sayang yung sinasabi niyo eh.
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Nagpapa-assist lang ako dito.
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Sige po, na-mute lang.
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I'm now illiterate in operating these things because I didn't have this in my six years.
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Ingat, nilatag niyo yung ano eh.
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Did you get the sentence?
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Again, sorry, I might be asking the obvious eh.
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Mukha bang pinahaba itong kaso na ito to make sure that at least during the duration of the previous administration,
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you would be in jail at matahimik kayo?
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Did you get that sense?
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Yes. Para sa akin, walang duda yan.
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How would they ever allow me to be freed
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during that time?
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When they themselves were responsible in the first place for jailing me.
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And precisely, they did jail me because they, you know, as you know, it's all about vindictiveness on the part of the former president.
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Kaya hindi na ako umaasa nun, lalo na nung tumatagal na.
12:01.9
Sabi ko, ah, siguro hintayin ko na lang sa susunod na administrasyon.
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And especially that I was hoping also that the next administration,
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it would be the opposition.
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I was part of the, I am part of the opposition.
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I did run under the opposition slate.
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So siguro mas madali yung pagpapalabas sa akin
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kung ang naging bagong administrasyon ay yung oposisyon.
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Now, with this new administration,
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there is some hope that,
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justice would find its way.
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And for as long as hindi pinapakialaman ang korte,
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for as long as yung independence of the judiciary is upheld and respected,
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there was really hope that I would attain justice.
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And ito na nga, pinapakita na dito sa pagbigay sa akin ng pansamantalang,
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yung paglaya through the grant of bail.
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Linawin ko lang po, ano, kasi ang discussion usually dito,
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dahil Pilipinas ito, no, talagang nandun yung pakikialam ng executive
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doon sa judiciary, sa judicial process.
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Pero dito, the fact na hindi nakialam yung BBM administration
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doon sa kaso nyo, tama ba do you get it?
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To mean that talagang tumayo sa sarili niyang merito yung inyong kaso.
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Yes, tama po yan.
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Yan talaga ang tingin namin dahil yung unang judge nga,
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I mean the previous handling judge, I think you know that other previous judges
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have actually inhibited themselves, either inhibited or opted for early retirement.
13:59.1
And then the last handling judge was the one who denied my bail application.
14:06.3
So there's a new judge who had to study all over again the case,
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reviewed the voluminous records of the case,
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and granted our motion for reconsideration.
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Now, hindi yan pinakialaman,
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and kaya gumawa ng tama by seeing through the merits of our bail application.
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Of course, yung liberty nyo po ngayon temporary dahil you were allowed to finally post bail.
14:41.0
And jubilant yung mga support.
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At maraming tao, pero how long would this last?
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Gano'n kaya katagal pa yung itatagal nung third and last drug case against you,
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considering na umatras na rin yung mga witnesses?
14:55.0
Umaasa kami, Christian, na unang-una, hindi na gaano'ng tatagal.
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Maybe a few months or several months, hindi na naman siguro tatagal pa ng isa pang uling taon,
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or a few more years lalo na.
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Kasi ang stage ngayon,
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is the filing of the formal offer of evidence ng prosecution.
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Kasi natapos na yung presentation nila ng evidence.
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Nag-rule na muna nga ngayon sa bail,
15:25.0
pero natapos na rin yung presentation nila ng evidence.
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And magpa-file na nga any day now,
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the prosecution is expected to file its formal offer of evidence,
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and then sasagot kami doon,
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and then iri-resolve na yan,
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Pagkatapos noon, pakarisolve ng formal offer.
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Ayan, medyo naghahangla ng konti kasi may problema sa internet connection sa Naga.
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Intayin natin, oh.
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Magandang pakinggan to.
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At pinapaliwanag ni former Senator Dilima yung mga susunod na hakbang at mangyayari.
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Teka lang po, ah.
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Ibabalik natin siya maya-maya.
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Medyo nag-freeze siya, eh.
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Marami pa tayong gusto itanong sa kanya.
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And nababasa ko po yung mga comments niyo, no?
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So, i-recap natin ng konti, no?
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Ito naman yung basa ng marami dito.
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The fact na hindi nakailam yung Marquis administration dito,
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dito sa particular case na ito ngayon,
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ay na-e-grant yung kanyang kahilingan na mapayagang magpiansa.
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At habang nililitigate yung kaso,
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habang dinidinig,
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at least nasa labas siya, hindi nakakulong.
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Kasi dito, pag iniisip niyo, no?
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More than six years.
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Close to seven years siyang nakakulong.
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Na wala pa talagang judgment, ah.
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Hindi mo alam kung guilty or not, no?
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Yan ang masaklap dito.
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Ito, nandito na siya uli.
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Pasensya na kayo, ah.
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Kasi medyo mahangin daw dun sa lugar nila.
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Kaya medyo mahinang yung internet.
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Ayan, ayan, ayan, ayan.
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You were saying, so yung next steps, no?
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So formal offer of evidence.
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Yes, the connection here is rather unstable.
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I'll take advantage, ah.
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I'm sorry, Christian.
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Unstable connection dito.
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Apo, pero nadidinig po namin kayo.
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Yes, I can hear you now.
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Ang talagang po ganito, no?
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The fact that you're finally allowed to post bail,
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is that indicative of the strength?
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Or weakness of the evidence presented against you
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dito sa third and last case?
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It's indicative of the weakness of the prosecution's evidence
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because ang basis ng bail is that the evidence of guilt is not strong.
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Yun ang pinaka-issue sa bail, sa bail hearings,
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is whether the evidence presented with the prosecution
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during the bail hearings,
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is strong or not.
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Now, the fact that you were granted bail
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indicates that the evidence is not strong
18:19.0
and that is so discussed,
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that is shown extensively in the decision,
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in the bail decision of the court.
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So, since mahina yung naging ebidensya
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o yung mga naging testimonya
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nung pinisinta nila sa bail hearing
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at pagdating naman sa presentation of evidence in chief,
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nalang sila ng konti nalang
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at sa tingin namin
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ay hindi na naman nadagdagan
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sa bail hearings,
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na malakas ang chance
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na madidismiss na itong kaso na ito
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via the murder to evidence that we intend to
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submit in due time
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pag na-resolve na ng judge
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yung formal offer of evidence.
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And the murder to evidence is tantamount to acquittal.
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So, there would be no further wastage of the precious time of the court
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and also no further wastage of the resources of government
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kung ipupursigipa.
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Itong kaso na ito.
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So, we're pretty confident about this.
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Pagsarabin din, mirror, ibig sabihin walang kwenta yung ibidensya laban sa inyo.
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o ibinasura yung kaso. Diba ganun po yan?
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Pinapabasura namin na walang kwenta at insufficient.
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Because the burden of proof always in any criminal case
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is to prove the guilt of the accused beyond reasonable doubt.
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Kung sa bail hearings pa lang,
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na ang pinag-uusapan pa lang is malakas ba ang ibidensya ng proseksyon.
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Sabi ng judge ngayon sa pag-grant ng bail, hindi.
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So, kung hindi malakas ang ibidensya, paano pang masasabi na there is proof beyond reasonable doubt?
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So, the logical conclusion is kailangan ng ibasura
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kaysa magsasayang pa ng oras para mag-presenta pa kami ng aming sariling ibidensya.
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Okay. I-recap ko lang po sa mga viewers natin.
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Tatlo yung kasong isinampa against Sen. de Lima ng Duterte administration.
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Yung dalawa na basura na.
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At itong pangatlo, nagbabadyang mabasura dahil sa hinahing ibidensya, of course.
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Pero titignan pa rin natin yung official outcome nito.
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Pero ang gusto ko po sana itanong sa inyo,
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given the political context under which you were put in prison for more than six years,
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hindi naman kaya nag-succeed na yung mga nagpakulong sa inyo,
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given the fact na napakalunga kayo for close to seven years.
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Wala kayo sa public eye, basically.
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Pwede nilang isipin nyo.
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At talaga namang, yun ang iniisip nila, victory nila sa kanila yun kasi naging limitado na.
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Yung aking exposure.
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Yung pag-ano ko ng mga commentaries ko, yung aking mga advokasya, naging limitado na.
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Dahil unang-una nga wala akong cellphone, wala akong laptop.
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At hindi nga naman ako nakaka-participate noon sa Senado.
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Yung mga deliberations and I could not even vote.
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So in that sense, iisipin nila, nag-succeed na sila.
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Sayang yung panahon na yun na pwede ako maging useful
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and could have really performed my mandate more fully and effectively.
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Pero sa isang banda naman, yung pinaka-target naman talaga nila is yung gibain ako.
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Pinaka-target nila is patahimikin ako.
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Sa usapin na yan, malinaw na hindi sila nagtagumpay.
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Kasi hindi pa rin nila ako napatahimik.
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At hinding-hindi nila ako mapapatahimik.
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At hinding-hindi nila ako pwedeng basta-basta na lang gibain o pahinain ang loob.
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So in that sense, they have not succeeded at all.
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They failed because I didn't want them to succeed.
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And I cannot allow them to succeed.
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Isa po sa mga very unfortunate things that were done to you, Sen. de Lima.
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Ito, namonitor niyo rin po.
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Namonitor ng maraming tao ito.
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Yung pambababoy sa inyo.
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Yung pambabalahura sa House of Representatives.
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Unfortunately, may ilang pang mga babaeng kongresista na mga sip-sip sa nakaupong Pangulo nung time na yun.
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Like ko sinasabi sa programa na ito.
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Pwede niyo i-YouTube.
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Hanapin niyo yung videos na yun.
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Nagtatawa na sila.
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As in, pinagkakatawaan yung pagkababae niyo.
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Anong tumatakbo sa utak niyo ngayon na nasa labas kayo?
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On bail, at least.
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And then these people were party to destroying your reputation or at least to paint you as someone guilty before the Court of Public Opinion under the previous administration.
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I'm sorry, you're choppy?
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Can you repeat the question?
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You're coming in very choppy.
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Eto ma'am, malinaw na po ba ako?
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Eto, malinaw na po ba ako?
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No, wala ka na naman.
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Eto, okay na po ba?
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Malinaw kayo sa akin eh.
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Am I coming in clear?
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You're coming in choppy.
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Okay, now okay na.
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Go ahead, please.
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Curious lang ako, anong tumatakbo sa utak niyo ngayon?
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Na you're out on bail.
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Ano naiisip niyo pag naaalala niyo yung mga kongresista na naging party doon sa pambababoy sa inyo, sa pagkababain ninyo, at saka sa pangyuyurak ng reputasyon niyo before the public under the previous administration?
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Masakit pa rin hanggang ngayon.
24:47.9
It's really so revolting that they have to do that and go through that extent para magpapogi lang doon sa nakaupong party.
24:58.9
But I do hope they realize now what they did, that it's such an unjust doing na lalo ng I was also a fellow lawmaker.
25:14.9
Wala man lang kortesiya that which they accuded to me, siniraan talaga nila, binalahuran nila yung pagkatao ko.
25:23.9
And, yes, until now.
25:25.9
It's still very tough, okay?
25:27.9
It's still very painful to me that we have these lawmakers throwing away any kind of dignity
25:42.5
just to put up a show in order to please a certain man.
25:51.7
And may hirap eh.
25:53.8
But while I still consider that very painful, pinapatawad ko na naman sila.
26:04.6
Maybe under those circumstances, they thought they were doing something that could further their own interests
26:15.9
but not necessarily the interests of truth and justice.
26:22.2
And in fact, it was...
26:23.8
Very much against the interests of truth and justice.
26:32.5
Napatawad nyo na.
26:33.7
Pero kasi pag napapanood namin yung video, ang hirap eh.
26:37.5
Anyway, how about yung mga colleagues nyo before sa Senate?
26:40.5
Diba merong labing-aning yata na colleagues nyo sa Senado who voted to oust you from the Justice Committee as chairperson.
26:50.2
Inyong kasagsagan ng kalakasan ng Duterte administration.
26:53.8
And perhaps what you said about the lawmakers of the House, siguro ganun din yung mga nasa Senado na time na yan.
27:00.7
It must have been said.
27:02.8
Ngayon iba nagpaparamdam, diba?
27:04.8
Nagkong-congratulate pa yata sa pag-release yung mga statements pa, diba?
27:08.6
I mean, pati ba yan, napatawad nyo na rin yung mga colleagues nyo mismo sa Senado?
27:14.3
They have their own reasons why they did that.
27:17.2
Of course, political, personal.
27:18.9
And again, they just really wanted to, I think,
27:23.8
wanted to go by the tide of what was happening there.
27:27.9
Kasi parang siguro at the time, fashionable sa kanila na sumama sa mga paninira sa akin at sumama sa pag-aapi nila.
27:41.6
So, they have their own reasons.
27:45.6
While I do think also that some of them may have been sympathetic to me inside of them.
27:53.8
But they had no choice.
27:56.3
But again, as I said, to go with the tide.
27:59.8
Dahil that's the direction then of the political climate.
28:11.3
How about the likes of Atty. Harry Roque?
28:15.2
Diba marami siyang mga binitawan salita against you.
28:17.3
Tapos isa ron, yung sabi niya,
28:19.2
Happy anniversary on your first year of detention.
28:22.7
May you spend the rest of your life with God.
28:23.6
May you spend the rest of your life with God.
28:23.7
May you spend the rest of your life with God.
28:23.8
May you spend the rest of your life in jail.
28:25.5
I think, in terms of trying to get you to detention,
28:30.1
hindi naman kapantay nung mga senador lang at saka kongresista,
28:34.1
yung gilas o gigil nitong Harry Roque para sa pagpapakulong niyo.
28:38.6
I mean, ano naman ang attitude niyo regarding him?
28:42.7
It's very deplorable.
28:45.9
I don't think we can expect anything less from him.
28:50.7
Masyado siyang nagpakaano.
28:52.5
Maski nga sa human rights community,
28:56.3
maraming na turn off sa kanya.
29:00.6
He's pretending to be fighting also for human rights causes,
29:07.3
but it turned out it's the opposite that he's been doing.
29:11.2
And then sa mga ginawa niya sa akin,
29:13.3
again, pagpangsisipsip lang,
29:16.5
just to be within the graces of the former president,
29:21.0
he had to go to that.
29:25.0
And kahit na gano'n, napatawad ko na rin siya
29:28.4
kahit hindi nagbihimiri ng kapakatawaran.
29:35.7
Ang light ng feeling niyo ngayon, ha?
29:37.5
Sa ano ito ang dilima?
29:38.9
Okay, how about naman si former Justice Secretary Vitaliano Aguirre?
29:44.1
Merong impressions na pinare-
29:46.2
allegedly, pinare-sure daw niya yung witness to go against you.
29:52.5
Kasama ba yun sa mga listahan nung napatawad niya?
29:58.3
Lahat naman sila except for one.
30:01.9
Sino po yung isa?
30:10.2
My chief oppressor.
30:12.2
The former president.
30:13.6
Si former president Rodrigo Duterte.
30:18.7
Siya ang hindi niyo mapapatawad?
30:22.5
Siya ang hindi niyo mapapatawad?
30:24.5
The magnitude and the gravity of what he did to me
30:28.5
parallel yung persecution.
30:35.3
Dahil lang sa paghihiganti.
30:38.5
It's all about paghihiganti.
30:41.2
And then using the entire machinery of the state.
30:46.1
Kumamit ng mga pusino-sino.
30:48.2
Kumamit ng mga testigo.
30:51.1
Kumamit ng mga pekis.
30:52.5
Kumamit ng mga testimonya.
30:54.1
Kumamit ng mga iba pang mga tao
31:03.1
I was simply doing my job
31:09.3
of more than six years
31:14.0
and rubbing me of
31:18.7
the company of my family.
31:27.0
and also of my mandate.
31:31.5
The full discharge of my mandate
31:33.7
as then duly elected
31:36.1
member of the Senate.
31:39.9
I simply cannot forgive him
31:45.8
but not at this point.
31:51.7
you mentioned the
31:52.4
magnitude of what
31:53.3
the former president
31:56.6
Ano yung mga pwede
31:58.2
Not exactly in the context
31:60.0
but in the context
32:02.8
for what he did to you.
32:06.2
lumulutang yung discussions
32:08.3
Malayasius prosecution,
32:10.5
ano po ba yung mga options
32:11.7
na pwede nyong gamitin
32:14.7
to hold him accountable?
32:18.6
I cannot yet disclose
32:20.8
to you what specific
32:24.6
that my legal team
32:27.6
because under discussion pa yan.
32:31.4
Because we're focusing
32:33.1
of course on the remaining case.
32:35.5
We wanted to be sure
32:36.7
about what cases exactly
32:42.5
the exact remedies
32:45.9
makakasiguro kami
32:48.5
na may high chance
32:51.2
We cannot just be
32:54.8
hindi naman uubra.
32:58.0
So it needs further
32:59.9
and more exhaustive study
33:04.8
which they're now doing.
33:08.0
review everything
33:16.3
and lalo na yung mga
33:18.9
pag-re-recant din
33:21.4
and yung mga other
33:22.8
possible recantations
33:25.3
which we are expecting
33:27.1
from other witnesses
33:29.7
and other information
33:33.6
that we will be extracting
33:39.4
to the former president.
33:42.2
And malinaw naman
33:44.0
na siya yung chief
33:46.5
yung chief of press
33:47.2
or all we have to do
33:48.1
is review all his
33:49.3
recorded statements
34:09.0
ng cases against me.
34:12.0
I'm sorry but I have to be
34:17.0
para lang marinig
34:23.2
I've been meaning to ask this to you
34:24.8
kaso ngayon ka lang
34:26.2
kayo na interview.
34:27.2
Sa pagkakaalam nyo,
34:28.7
ano po ba yung punot dulo
34:32.9
ni former President Duterte?
34:43.4
the investigation
34:44.9
into the DBS killings
34:49.4
Napupunta kami sa Davao,
34:51.4
nang series of public inquiries there
35:07.0
of those killings
35:08.7
now which were the subject
35:13.7
UN Special Rapporteur
35:18.5
There was also the report of
35:20.2
Human Rights Watch
35:21.4
so nung nabasa ko yung mga reports na yun
35:23.8
tapos pina-validate ko rin
35:26.1
doon sa local office
35:30.1
we decided to conduct
35:32.9
a series of public inquiry
35:40.0
Mayor Rodrigo Duterte
35:44.5
there was really an
35:47.6
between the two of us.
35:49.4
I was calling him out
36:00.8
which were attributed
36:06.5
So nagsimula doon
36:11.3
I became a senator
36:13.0
and he became the president
36:15.0
malay ko ba na magiging
36:17.1
malay ko ba na magiging
36:22.3
inulit na naman nila
36:24.2
yung pinagagawa nila doon
36:26.9
and I wanted to do something
36:29.7
so sa July pa lang noon
36:36.4
I immediately filed
36:40.6
seeking for a Senate inquiry
36:43.7
under my committee
36:45.9
Committee on Justice
36:50.4
some of my colleagues
36:55.3
schoolmates ko rin sa San Beda
36:57.2
were dissuading me
36:58.8
were discouraging me
37:02.2
magagalit talaga yan
37:09.9
talagang babalikan ka nyan
37:15.0
for more killings
37:23.2
I think it was a little more
37:27.2
yung mga naging biktima
37:31.4
because it was almost
37:34.0
sa pag-umpisa pa lang
37:35.3
ay nagsimula na kaagad
37:38.1
and I immediately saw
37:42.8
of the DDS killings
37:46.1
tinansport lang niya
37:49.4
and other parts of the country
37:54.7
for more killings
37:56.5
before I could act
37:57.7
as the chairperson
38:02.2
a human rights advocate
38:11.2
lalo siya nagalit
38:15.6
pinatalsik nila ako
38:22.1
and sinimulan na nga nila
38:29.1
almost on a daily basis also
38:31.3
tapos sinimulan na rin
38:36.3
before the house committee
38:49.2
sobra lang yung naging
38:52.0
nung dating pangulo
38:56.6
lalo na nun sa Davao
38:58.0
hindi niya akalain
39:02.2
and a lady at that
39:04.5
or a woman at that
39:07.3
in his own territory
39:09.2
that is his kingdom
39:11.7
and then pinuntahan ko siya
39:13.6
and then nagharap kami dun
39:15.6
nagdebate kami dun
39:23.5
kinip-kip niya yun
39:25.1
hindi niya nakalimutan
39:27.0
hindi ako napatawad
39:29.7
that was the chance
39:32.3
when I became a senator
39:35.9
well nakita niyo naman yun
39:37.9
inimbestigahan ko na naman siya
39:46.3
hindi na niya pinalampas
39:53.5
mas worried kayo ngayon sa
39:56.3
safety and security nyo
39:58.4
ngayong nasa labas kayo
40:00.5
kasi nung nasa loob nga kayo
40:01.8
diba na hostage pa kayo
40:04.8
eh nadidinig niya po ako ngayon
40:10.0
nadidinig ko po kayo
40:12.8
nadidinig ko po kayo
40:16.1
I can hear you po
40:25.8
nadidinig niya na po ako
40:32.5
eto luminaw na po ba
40:35.3
dipat ako ng konting
40:40.6
gusto ko itanong po sa inyo
40:44.8
if not more worried
40:45.8
about your safety and security
40:47.4
outside of prison
40:50.9
na hostage nga kayo eh
40:52.0
for some reason eh
40:58.5
actually some friends of mine
41:00.7
don't you think you're
41:10.6
I'm more secure here
41:12.2
na hostage na ako nun
41:16.1
I'm willing to take chances
41:17.5
I'll take the risks
41:19.2
extra precautions
41:20.2
because there's no
41:21.2
substitute for freedom
41:28.4
na nandyan yung mga
41:29.9
security concerns
41:31.3
mag-adopt na lang
41:33.7
ng mga security safeguards
41:40.1
that's been the advice
41:41.5
of many of my friends
41:43.6
that's their foremost concern now
41:49.2
extra precautions
41:52.9
malapit na po tayo matapos
41:54.1
medyo sinusulit lang natin
41:55.8
dahil maraming pa tayong gusto
41:58.3
tayo sigurado kayo
41:59.5
na opposition figure
42:01.1
napakalinaw po yan
42:02.2
pero what do you think
42:03.4
of former president
42:04.9
presenting himself
42:06.0
as the opposition now
42:09.2
siguro na monitor
42:10.5
niya rin yung mga
42:11.1
kanyang binibitawang salita
42:14.7
dapat sa democracy
42:17.0
so parang ganoon yung
42:17.9
positioning niya ngayon
42:19.4
to the Marcos administration
42:21.2
ano pong tingin niya doon
42:22.6
it appears hypocritical
42:27.5
anong pinagsasabi niya
42:32.0
sinasabi niya na yan
42:37.6
when during his time
42:49.4
hinahanap na niya
43:01.2
presenting himself
43:02.4
as the opposition
43:09.2
with the opposition
43:25.1
nabanggit niya na po
43:29.5
pero ano bang plano nyo
43:31.1
politically for instance
43:35.8
gagawa ba kayo ng libro
43:37.4
tungkol doon sa inyong
43:38.9
for almost 7 years
43:41.6
a long walk to freedom
43:43.5
meron ba kayong ganoon plano
43:44.6
magsulat ng libro
43:46.0
may plano ako to come up
43:47.5
may plano ako to come up
43:50.3
based on my daily journals
43:52.1
kasi nagkaroon ako
43:53.9
mga daily journals
43:56.0
tungkol naman sa plano
44:00.9
I need to do a lot of things
44:02.5
I need to do a lot of fixing
44:13.4
practically to start from
44:25.0
magiging source of income ko
44:30.8
and also teaching
44:37.0
I'm not ruling it out
44:38.7
but at this point
44:43.6
well maraming maraming salamat po
44:45.9
former senator Leila Dilima
44:49.2
nakalaya na po kayo
44:50.9
kahit on bail pa lang
44:54.3
pero a lot of people are happy
44:56.3
dahil kahit pa paano
44:58.2
isa sa mga importanteng
45:00.2
para makuhi hostisya
45:02.0
maraming maraming salamat po
45:03.2
really we appreciate you
45:04.4
for taking time to join us
45:06.3
ito po sa Facts First
45:07.2
maraming maraming salamat po
45:11.3
and thank you too
45:15.4
magandang gabi po
45:17.8
former senator Leila Dilima
45:18.8
nakakasama na natin
45:22.3
ano bang tingin niya
45:27.0
ang dami nagkakomment dito
45:28.3
may mga nagagalit
45:29.8
may mga trolls din
45:30.7
pero I think mga 99%
45:33.0
ay nakikita naman yung
45:37.0
in terms of justice
45:42.3
hindi naman siguro
45:43.2
kayo nabitin sa ating panayam
45:44.6
naitanong naman natin
45:46.1
pinaka importanteng issues
45:47.5
ayoko kasi siyang
45:49.0
pagdating doon sa
45:50.5
hindi nyo ba napansin na
45:51.8
medyo ingat ako ron
45:54.3
apat na araw pa lang
45:58.1
si former senator
46:00.3
maraming ka lang ayusin
46:03.3
iniisip man natin dyan
46:04.4
buti na itarong natin kanina
46:05.6
yung kanyang security
46:07.1
outside of prison
46:08.8
mas safe pa siya ron sa loob eh
46:10.0
kahit na na-hostage siya ron
46:12.7
na-hostage siya sa loob
46:15.7
supposedly a very
46:23.5
hindi naman mangyari
46:26.4
ingat siyang mabuti
46:27.6
outside of prison
46:33.5
kung sino man demonyo
46:48.5
Facts Notics Unite
46:51.9
ang tanong natin doon
46:52.8
dapat bang papanagutin
46:54.0
yung mga nagpakulong
46:55.0
kay former senator
46:57.0
nakaposta po yung video
46:58.5
susunod po sa youtube
46:59.7
tapos yung mga gustong ano
47:01.7
mas maintindihan yung
47:05.2
napaka-importante po
47:06.2
yan sa journalism
47:07.0
at para sa inyo po
47:09.1
kumukonsumo ng balita
47:13.6
pinost natin kanina
47:15.3
meron tayong series
47:18.4
media information
47:21.3
so pinaliwanan po natin
47:23.4
doon yung apat na
47:24.2
klaseng ng attribution
47:25.9
attribution sa journalism
47:40.0
so kailangan may attribution
47:47.9
on deep background
47:48.6
so panoorin niyo po
47:51.0
dito sa channel natin
47:51.9
para mas maunamaan
47:55.1
nung sinasabi nating
47:56.1
types of attribution
47:59.3
so maraming maraming
48:01.1
and kita kita po tayo
48:02.7
maraming maraming salamat po
48:04.5
magandang gabi po
48:06.4
pati sa team replay
48:07.5
at saka sa team delay
48:10.1
nagustuhan niyo po
48:11.1
yung ating episode
48:12.8
magandang gabi po
48:13.5
and have a blessed
