‘Death threat’ ni Duterte, di pinalampas ni Rep. Castro
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Yung ganyan ba, yung mga ganyang utterances, should the context of the person uttering them be considered as well?
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Kasi I remember nung bagong presidente siya, I myself spoke with people from Davao,
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ang context nila dyan, hindi ganyan lang talaga magsalitayan, ganyan lang daw yung bunganga niyan, di ba?
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I mean, can that be used as an excuse to avoid prosecution here?
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Baka hindi po naman, because kunyari ikaw, Christian, hindi mo ako kilala, kunyari.
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At ako'y sinabi ko sa iyo, Christian, papatayin kita. Anong impact yun sa iyo?
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Papatayin niyo ako.
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O, kinetreaten kita, hindi ba? Papatayin kita.
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So, anong ibig mo sabihin nun? Nabibiro lang ako?
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Namuhula ka ba sa akin kung magbibiro ko? Hindi?
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So, I shouldn't take that chance dahil hindi naman tayo magkakilala, di ba? To begin with.
01:03.9
Oo. So, in other words, you take what had been uttered. Hindi mo manguhula kung anong ibig sabihin niya.
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So, denotation yan. Denotative talaga.
01:15.0
Oo. Kaya, lalo na sa konteksto na may ine-expose ang party-list conversation.
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So, suman, di ba?
01:26.7
Ito po kanina, na-monitor ko yung interview sa ANC ni Atty. Harry Roque, yung abugado ni dating Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte.
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May mga binabanggit siya dahil natanong siya regarding this.
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Sabi niya, you have to be in a position to carry it out. I mean, yung supposed threat.
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Tapos sabi niya, for it to be effectively, kasi ang pinag-uusapan dun, does it fall under free speech?
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Sabi niya, there should be a clear and present danger.
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Sabi niya, mere utterance.
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And says themselves, shouldn't be criminal. There should be an ability to carry it out.
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Sabi niya, I don't know if a 78-year-old former president is in a position to carry that out.
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And then he also mentioned yung political context na may ongoing conflict with the communist rebels.
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Ano pong basa niya roon? Is that a valid excuse or reason?
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Hindi po yata sa ako ng mga apat na elementong binigay ko po sa inyo yun.
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Pinibigyan niya ng naratiba ang kanyang defensa.
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Baka hindi po kasama sa elemento yun.
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Ito lang po ang basic elements na titinan ng piskalya para magsabi siya na meron nga na-commit na krimen, na grave threat.
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Huwag na natin pa ikutin pa kung ano pang ibig sabihin. Ito lang po ang elemento.
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So hindi pwedeng idahilan na 78 years old na yan. Wala namang capability para talagang patayin si Franz Castro. Hindi yun valid?
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Hindi po valid yun.
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Pag-usapan natin gano'ng ka-importante itong kasong ito.
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I mean, dahil syempre kayo ang abugado nung nagre-reklamo rito.
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How important is it for you to make sure that the person who uttered those supposed threats would be held accountable?
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In short, gano'ng ka-importante yung makapanagot itong nagbitaon ng mga pananakot na ito according to you?
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Well, maganda pong ehemplo ito.
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Kahit na kung saan man mga pananakot.
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Mapunta itong kasong ito because hindi mapapamamarisan.
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Kasi dati-dati, nung presidente pa siya, marami siyang sinasabi na pinagtatawalan lang at sinasabi and joke lang.
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Ngayon, wala na po siyang immunity.
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Gawa na hindi na po siya presidente.
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Eh mag-iingat na tayo.
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Lahat ng taong Pilipino dapat mag-iingat na sa kanilang utterances para hindi naman sila kumukomit ng crime.
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Kung meron man silang kinomit.
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So in other words, kahit ating mga...
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mga kabataan at bagong ating future generations, dapat makita nila ng magandang modelo ang sinasabi ng kanilang mga liderato.
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Or even the statesmen or even the people who are already no longer in power.
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So dapat makita nila na may magandang halimbawa.
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At ito ang aming pinag...
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And of course, we would like to find out, given the formidable opposition that we will be encountering,
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we want to find out.
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How effective or ineffective judicial or prosecutorial system is in our country.
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And that's why I said in one of the press releases,
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I said that the reason why the Filipino people are not very confident about the way things are going,
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and they have to go to the ICC, for example, the International Court of Criminal Court,
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is because there is a perception that they cannot get, or they cannot get justice.
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Lahat nga ng mga binaril at pinatay, mga drug-related matters before,
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kalong-kalong ng kanilang mga ina.
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Anong kanilang sinisigaw?
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Gusto po namin magkaroon ng justisya.
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Nag-iiyakan ang mga nanay,
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at gusto daw nila ng justisya.
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Kaya dapat bigyan natin ng justisya at accountability ngayon.
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Pakita natin sa ating madlong bayan,
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na dapat mapakita na meron nang nangyayari kung merong krimen na naganap.
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At ang mangyayari ay dapat ayuntulod sa rule of law at rule-based ang ating proceedings.
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Nabanggit niyo po kasi ang ICC.
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Hindi naman kaya magamit naman itong kasong ito,
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Teka, hindi na kailangan ng ICC kasi gumagana yung justice system dito.
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Kasi dating Pangulo, dahil wala ng immunity,
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eto, tinan nyo, pwede nang sampahan ng reklamo.
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Although, makiiba naman ang pinag-uusapan dito, diba?
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Makiiba, makiiba.
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Kasi sinusubok na mapanagot siya doon sa mga napatay o pinatay sa ilalim ng kanyang pamamahala sa drug war.
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Pero ito, grave threat.
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Paano nyo po kasagutin yan?
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Because this is actually a personal commission.
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Allegedly of the crime of grave threat under our law, Revised Penal Code, Article 282.
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Yung pang nagpunta na sa ICC, dati na po nangyari yan eh.
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As part of the investigation of the ICC.
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And therefore, these should be taken in different light and in different set of procedures and evaluation.
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Pero, the underlying or the underpinning principle here,
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is a test of the judicial and prosecutorial system.
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Gaano ka-epektibo o hindi ka-epektibo ang judicial or prosecutorial system.
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Pag nasa, may nakita tayo dito na umuubra naman, pwede natin pakita sa ICC, umuubra naman.
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Iba itong kasong ito.
