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Yung ganyan ba, yung mga ganyang utterances, should the context of the person uttering them be considered as well?

Kasi I remember nung bagong presidente siya, I myself spoke with people from Davao,

ang context nila dyan, hindi ganyan lang talaga magsalitayan, ganyan lang daw yung bunganga niyan, di ba?

I mean, can that be used as an excuse to avoid prosecution here?

Baka hindi po naman, because kunyari ikaw, Christian, hindi mo ako kilala, kunyari.

At ako'y sinabi ko sa iyo, Christian, papatayin kita. Anong impact yun sa iyo?

Papatayin niyo ako.

O, kinetreaten kita, hindi ba? Papatayin kita.

So, anong ibig mo sabihin nun? Nabibiro lang ako?

Namuhula ka ba sa akin kung magbibiro ko? Hindi?

So, I shouldn't take that chance dahil hindi naman tayo magkakilala, di ba? To begin with.

Oo. So, in other words, you take what had been uttered. Hindi mo manguhula kung anong ibig sabihin niya.

So, denotation yan. Denotative talaga.

Oo. Kaya, lalo na sa konteksto na may ine-expose ang party-list conversation.

So, suman, di ba?

Ito po kanina, na-monitor ko yung interview sa ANC ni Atty. Harry Roque, yung abugado ni dating Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte.

May mga binabanggit siya dahil natanong siya regarding this.

Sabi niya, you have to be in a position to carry it out. I mean, yung supposed threat.

Tapos sabi niya, for it to be effectively, kasi ang pinag-uusapan dun, does it fall under free speech?

Sabi niya, there should be a clear and present danger.

Sabi niya, mere utterance.

And says themselves, shouldn't be criminal. There should be an ability to carry it out.

Sabi niya, I don't know if a 78-year-old former president is in a position to carry that out.

And then he also mentioned yung political context na may ongoing conflict with the communist rebels.

Ano pong basa niya roon? Is that a valid excuse or reason?

Hindi po yata sa ako ng mga apat na elementong binigay ko po sa inyo yun.

Pinibigyan niya ng naratiba ang kanyang defensa.

Baka hindi po kasama sa elemento yun.

Ito lang po ang basic elements na titinan ng piskalya para magsabi siya na meron nga na-commit na krimen, na grave threat.

Huwag na natin pa ikutin pa kung ano pang ibig sabihin. Ito lang po ang elemento.

So hindi pwedeng idahilan na 78 years old na yan. Wala namang capability para talagang patayin si Franz Castro. Hindi yun valid?

Hindi po valid.

Hindi po valid yun.

Pag-usapan natin gano'ng ka-importante itong kasong ito.

I mean, dahil syempre kayo ang abugado nung nagre-reklamo rito.

How important is it for you to make sure that the person who uttered those supposed threats would be held accountable?

In short, gano'ng ka-importante yung makapanagot itong nagbitaon ng mga pananakot na ito according to you?

Well, maganda pong ehemplo ito.

Kahit na kung saan man mga pananakot.

Mapunta itong kasong ito because hindi mapapamamarisan.

Kasi dati-dati, nung presidente pa siya, marami siyang sinasabi na pinagtatawalan lang at sinasabi and joke lang.

Ngayon, wala na po siyang immunity.

Gawa na hindi na po siya presidente.

Eh mag-iingat na tayo.

Lahat ng taong Pilipino dapat mag-iingat na sa kanilang utterances para hindi naman sila kumukomit ng crime.

Kung meron man silang kinomit.

So in other words, kahit ating mga...

mga kabataan at bagong ating future generations, dapat makita nila ng magandang modelo ang sinasabi ng kanilang mga liderato.

Or even the statesmen or even the people who are already no longer in power.

So dapat makita nila na may magandang halimbawa.

At ito ang aming pinag...

And of course, we would like to find out, given the formidable opposition that we will be encountering,

we want to find out.

How effective or ineffective judicial or prosecutorial system is in our country.

And that's why I said in one of the press releases,

I said that the reason why the Filipino people are not very confident about the way things are going,

and they have to go to the ICC, for example, the International Court of Criminal Court,

is because there is a perception that they cannot get, or they cannot get justice.

Lahat nga ng mga binaril at pinatay, mga drug-related matters before,

kalong-kalong ng kanilang mga ina.

Anong kanilang sinisigaw?

Gusto po namin magkaroon ng justisya.

Okay? Lahat yun.

Panang lapyata.

Nag-iiyakan ang mga nanay,

at gusto daw nila ng justisya.

Kaya dapat bigyan natin ng justisya at accountability ngayon.

Pakita natin sa ating madlong bayan,

na dapat mapakita na meron nang nangyayari kung merong krimen na naganap.

At ang mangyayari ay dapat ayuntulod sa rule of law at rule-based ang ating proceedings.

Nabanggit niyo po kasi ang ICC.

Hindi naman kaya magamit naman itong kasong ito,

as an excuse na,

Teka, hindi na kailangan ng ICC kasi gumagana yung justice system dito.

Kasi dating Pangulo, dahil wala ng immunity,

eto, tinan nyo, pwede nang sampahan ng reklamo.

Although, makiiba naman ang pinag-uusapan dito, diba?

Makiiba, makiiba.

Kasi sinusubok na mapanagot siya doon sa mga napatay o pinatay sa ilalim ng kanyang pamamahala sa drug war.

Pero ito, grave threat.

Paano nyo po kasagutin yan?

Iba po ito.

Because this is actually a personal commission.

Allegedly of the crime of grave threat under our law, Revised Penal Code, Article 282.

Yung pang nagpunta na sa ICC, dati na po nangyari yan eh.

As part of the investigation of the ICC.

And therefore, these should be taken in different light and in different set of procedures and evaluation.

Pero, the underlying or the underpinning principle here,

is a test of the judicial and prosecutorial system.

Gaano ka-epektibo o hindi ka-epektibo ang judicial or prosecutorial system.

Pag nasa, may nakita tayo dito na umuubra naman, pwede natin pakita sa ICC, umuubra naman.

Pero, iba ito.

Iba itong kasong ito.