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Nanganganib nga bang ma-impeach si VP Sara Duterte sa gitna ng diumano’y girian sa loob ng UniTeam?

Christian Esguerra

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00:00.0

Good evening guys!

00:26.1

Ako po si Christian S. Gerat. Welcome po sa ating episode ngayong gabi, November 21, dito po sa ating Facts First Podcast.

00:33.4

Tulad po na lagi ko sinasabi, maraming maraming salamat po sa patuloy niyo pong pag-suporta dito po sa ginagawa po natin o dito po sa programa natin.

00:41.4

Miski paminsan-minsan, kalokohan lang yata pinag-uusapan natin pero sineseryoso niyo eh no.

00:46.2

Ngayon, pag-uusapan natin, seryosong topic. Pero tingnan natin kung sineseryoso ng iba sa inyo yung usapan na ito.

00:51.7

Kasi umuugong po lately, although nadirig na rin natin ito a few weeks ago eh.

00:55.8

Several weeks ago, nabakarang may nilulutong impeachment complaint against Vice President Sara Duterte dito sa mababang kapulungan.

01:03.1

Kasi nga po, kung talagang pag-aaralan niyo yung nasa sa ating konstitusyon, kung meron pong gustong ipa-impeach na impeachable officer sa ating gobyerno,

01:12.0

eh dapat magsisimula po yan sa House of Representatives.

01:15.0

Eno po ba yung konteksto sa House? Diba? Ang House, kontrolado, kadalasan na nakaupong presidente.

01:20.0

At sino po ba yung Speaker of the House of Representatives?

01:22.7

Yung po yung pinsan ni Pangulong Ferdinand Bongbong Marcos.

01:25.8

Si Speaker Ferdinand Martin Romualdes.

01:29.1

And nakailang discussion na rin po tayo dito sa ating programa.

01:32.1

Tukol po rin sa napabaritang rift o hidwaan sa pagitan po ng mga miyembro ng tinatawag na UNITEAM.

01:37.8

Diba? Ito po yung nanalo overwhelmingly noong 2022 presidential election.

01:42.3

Pero mukhang short-lived.

01:44.4

Although, more recently, kanya-kanyang assurance yung mga main cast of characters dito sa UNITEAM.

01:52.7

Sinasabi na rin, hindi, buo pa rin yan eh.

01:54.7

Tapos?

01:55.8

Nagpahayag din po si President Ferdinand Bongbong Marcos Jr. na wala rin pong dahilan para i-impeach si Sarah Duterte.

02:03.3

O si Vice President Sarah Duterte.

02:05.6

Sabi naman ng VP Sarah Duterte,

02:07.7

She still enjoys the trust and confidence of the President.

02:12.2

Pag-uusapan natin yan, pero higit sa lahat,

02:14.7

pag-uusapan natin yung mismong proseso na impeachment.

02:17.1

Kaya kumuha po tayo ng eksperto ngayong gabi.

02:19.5

Kasi madalas, marami sa inyo siguro, nagugulan.

02:21.9

Miski members of the media, akala nila pag sinabi,

02:24.6

Impeach!

02:25.8

Manggal na agad sa pwesto.

02:27.5

Hindi pa naman po, no?

02:28.6

Ibig sabihin, formally accused

02:30.0

ng isang impeachable officer

02:32.3

ng isang impeachable offense.

02:34.3

Kasensya na kayo, nagmamagaling tayo, no?

02:36.1

Pero ang guest natin ngayon talagang magaling.

02:38.3

Sinasabi ng iba,

02:39.4

siguro si Ronald Llamas yung guest.

02:41.7

Ay, hindi.

02:42.7

Mas magaling ito.

02:44.0

Di hamak.

02:45.6

Kaya nga nag-quote ako eh.

02:47.3

Although ang tatong dahilan,

02:49.1

hindi natuyo sa sambayan yung aking

02:51.9

Facts First t-shirt na black eh.

02:53.7

Kaya nag-quote na lang ako.

02:55.3

Ang loob nito,

02:55.8

Taylor Swift.

02:57.0

Okay.

02:57.5

Masyada na ako madal-dal.

02:58.8

Ayan.

02:59.6

Ito yung guest natin.

03:00.8

Na di hamak na mas magaling

03:02.0

kay Ronald Llamas.

03:03.5

I'd like to welcome to our program

03:05.2

si Attorney Barry Gutierrez

03:07.0

who is also a former member

03:08.6

of the House of Representatives.

03:10.9

Okay ba?

03:11.4

Ganda na intro ko, no?

03:14.1

Pero,

03:15.0

hindi ko naman kay claim na mas magaling ako

03:16.9

kay Ronald Llamas.

03:18.0

Ibang klase ng galing ni

03:19.3

ni Sec Ronald.

03:21.7

Meron talagang mga

03:22.7

may mga talents talaga yun

03:24.7

na tingin ko,

03:25.3

walang ibang makakatapat.

03:27.1

Huwag nyo lang nga

03:27.7

ipagsama ko anong talents.

03:30.3

Special Ops ba yan?

03:32.6

Special Ops.

03:33.7

Kaya talent

03:34.5

in terms of special concerns.

03:37.2

Tsaka boss ko yun.

03:38.8

Sekretary ko yun.

03:39.8

Nung nasa Malacanang kami.

03:41.0

Ako yung undersecretary niya.

03:42.3

Isa.

03:42.6

Isa sa mga undersecretary.

03:43.9

Yun niya eh.

03:44.5

Nabanggit niya sa akin eh.

03:45.7

Naging isa ka raw

03:47.0

sa mga undersecretaries niya

03:48.6

nung siya ay

03:49.7

Presidential Advisor on Political Affairs.

03:52.3

Medyo nagulat ako.

03:53.3

Nagit nga.

03:54.5

Sabi ko,

03:55.1

Barrio Gutierrez

03:56.1

undersecretary Ronald Llamas.

03:57.9

Mas magaling kay Ronald yun ah.

03:59.7

Joke ko lang.

04:02.6

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

04:04.0

Sige, pag-usapan natin ito.

04:05.3

Bago natin maunawa.

04:07.8

Kasi nga,

04:09.2

kamayati pag-usapan ko

04:10.1

meron ba talaga

04:10.7

niluluto impeachment.

04:11.9

Pero,

04:12.7

paliwanag muna natin

04:14.8

ano ba ito

04:15.2

impeachment proceedings?

04:16.8

At bakit merong ganitong

04:18.2

options sa ating

04:20.8

1987 Constitution?

04:23.2

Okay.

04:23.9

Sa ilalim ng 87,

04:25.1

Constitution,

04:25.9

Article 11,

04:27.1

in particular,

04:28.0

doon nakasaad yung

04:29.3

proseso

04:30.2

para sa impeachment.

04:31.7

Ang purpose niyan,

04:33.6

bakit tayo merong ganyang proseso?

04:35.2

Para bigyan ng

04:36.7

dagdag na proteksyon

04:38.5

yung ibang mga

04:39.9

high officials natin.

04:41.6

Kasi,

04:42.3

ordinarily,

04:43.1

kung opisal ka ng gobyerno,

04:44.7

pwede kang kasuhan.

04:45.6

Pwede kang kasuhan sa ombudsman,

04:47.5

pwede kang kasuhan sa korte,

04:49.2

pwede kang

04:49.7

file-an ng ordinaryong kaso.

04:52.6

Kung gusto kang tanggalin,

04:53.6

usually,

04:53.8

dadaan yan through the

04:54.9

civil service,

04:55.8

et cetera.

04:56.4

Medyo mas mabilis

04:57.8

at mas madaling proseso.

04:59.7

Pero merong

05:00.5

binanggit

05:01.9

na ilang mga opisyal

05:03.1

sa ating Constitution

05:04.2

kung saan yung ordinaryong

05:06.0

proseso na yun

05:06.6

hindi pwedeng gamitin.

05:08.9

At kung gusto silang tanggalin,

05:10.7

kailangang dumaan dito sa

05:11.9

mas,

05:13.1

siguro,

05:13.6

mas mahirap

05:14.3

at medyo mas komplikado

05:16.1

ang proseso

05:17.0

na tinatawag na impeachment.

05:18.3

So, sino yung mga yun?

05:19.4

President,

05:20.1

Vice President,

05:21.5

members ng

05:23.1

Supreme Court,

05:24.0

members,

05:24.9

ng Constitutional Commission,

05:26.2

so yung COMELEC,

05:27.4

yung COA,

05:28.4

tsaka yung

05:29.0

Civil Service Commission,

05:33.3

at yung Ombudsman.

05:34.9

Yan yung mga subject

05:35.9

to impeachment.

05:36.5

Kung gusto mong tanggalin

05:37.4

ang isang nakaupo

05:38.9

sa pwestong yan,

05:40.1

kailangan kang dumaan

05:41.2

through the process

05:42.2

of impeachment.

05:42.9

Hindi pwedeng,

05:43.9

ang rule dyan ay

05:45.4

hindi pwedeng daanin

05:46.9

sa ibang paraan.

05:47.9

Although,

05:49.1

kung aalalahan niya natin

05:50.2

yung nangyari

05:50.6

kay Chief Justice

05:51.4

May Lucereno,

05:52.8

well,

05:53.2

di ba,

05:53.9

lumihis.

05:54.9

Doon sa patakaran na yun

05:57.2

at dinaan

05:57.9

sa kuwaranto

05:59.2

sa Supreme Court.

06:01.2

So,

06:02.6

medyo yung teorya siguro

06:04.8

na yung impeachment

06:05.9

ay dating

06:06.5

absolute

06:07.5

bar

06:08.3

sa any other

06:09.5

route

06:10.5

para matanggal

06:11.3

ang isang

06:11.7

opisyal

06:12.8

na nakalista dyan

06:13.6

humina ng konti

06:15.6

dahil sa nangyari

06:16.3

kay Chief Justice

06:18.0

May Lucero.

06:18.4

Pero,

06:19.2

that said,

06:20.1

ang idea talaga niyan

06:21.1

ay bigyan ng dagdag

06:22.6

na proteksyon

06:23.3

itong mga ganitong

06:24.5

klaseng opisyal

06:25.1

kasi ang idea,

06:26.3

dahil sa mataas na pwesto nila,

06:28.0

hindi sila,

06:28.5

hindi dapat sila naaabala

06:29.8

nung tuloy-tuloy

06:31.0

ng mga reklamo

06:32.0

na pwedeng isampas

06:32.8

sa CSC

06:33.5

o sa Korte

06:34.3

o sa anumang

06:35.4

o sa Ombudsman

06:36.4

o anumang

06:37.3

iba pang mga venues

06:38.8

kung saan pwede silang

06:40.7

sampahan ng kaso

06:41.6

para sila ay malali sa pwesto.

06:44.1

Salamat, ha.

06:44.9

Nakakalibre yung ating

06:45.9

mga viewers and listeners

06:47.2

ng low-class

06:48.7

session, no?

06:50.2

Pero, despite that,

06:52.0

sabi ni Demetrio,

06:54.0

utot nyo,

06:54.5

okay ba?

06:57.0

Yan ang mga

06:57.6

discussion dito, no?

07:00.4

Talagang nakaka-

07:01.2

Pupusta ako,

07:01.7

pupusta ako,

07:02.5

hindi nag-aaral sa law school yan

07:04.2

kung ganyan ang mga sagot.

07:07.7

Kasi,

07:08.5

kung sa,

07:09.5

nagtuturo ko ngayon

07:10.7

sa UP, eh,

07:11.3

di ba?

07:11.8

Pag ganyan ang sagot,

07:12.6

cinco.

07:14.2

Pagsas.

07:15.4

Uwi na.

07:18.7

Ganda-ganda ng paliwanag, no?

07:20.7

Although political

07:21.4

in nature din naman

07:23.1

ng impeachment, no?

07:24.1

Pero,

07:24.5

yung pinapaliwanag niya,

07:25.5

kung ano lang may nakasaad

07:26.5

sa batas.

07:27.0

Wala namang sinusundot

07:28.0

whatsoever, no?

07:29.1

Baka nag-react siya rito

07:30.0

sa title.

07:30.7

Eh, huwag niyo kami sisihin, eh.

07:32.1

Kasi, mababasa nyo naman yan, eh.

07:33.7

At nag-react yung

07:34.2

Presidente at vice-president.

07:36.0

Okay, second point.

07:37.7

Alam natin, in reality,

07:39.1

I think this was pattern

07:40.0

dun sa United States, no?

07:42.0

Tama.

07:43.0

An impeachment proceeding

07:44.2

is both legal

07:45.3

and political.

07:47.1

Pero, sa konteksto

07:47.9

ng Pilipinas,

07:48.7

going by our experience

07:49.9

sa impeachment proceedings,

07:51.3

ano ba yung

07:52.0

mas nananaig?

07:53.6

Mas political ba siya talaga?

07:56.1

O mas legal?

07:56.9

At ano ba yung dapat?

07:58.6

Well, political siya

08:00.2

in the sense na

08:01.3

sa dulo,

08:02.1

ang magdedetermine

08:03.2

kung tutuloy o hindi

08:04.3

ang isang impeachment

08:05.1

ay boto.

08:06.3

Numero.

08:07.4

Sa both

08:08.0

sa House of Representatives

08:08.9

at sa Senate.

08:10.3

Kasi,

08:10.9

para masimulan

08:12.1

ang isang impeachment,

08:13.5

pwedeng may mag-file

08:14.4

ng natawag na

08:15.4

verified complaint.

08:16.9

Sworn complaint,

08:17.9

essentially,

08:18.4

sa House of Representatives.

08:20.1

Pero, para umangat yan

08:21.4

mula House of Representatives,

08:23.0

kaya,

08:23.6

kailangan at least

08:24.5

one-third

08:25.2

ng buong

08:26.1

membership

08:26.9

08:27.6

ng Kongreso

08:29.1

ay bumoto

08:30.2

para

08:30.7

i-elevate yung impeachment.

08:32.6

Yung tinatawag na

08:33.5

Articles of Impeachment

08:34.7

sa Senado.

08:36.0

So,

08:36.5

boto yun.

08:37.3

Bilang yun.

08:38.4

Ngayon, I think,

08:39.1

may mga 300 plus tayo

08:40.5

na House members.

08:41.7

So, ngayon,

08:42.1

mga about

08:42.6

100, 102

08:44.3

siguro

08:44.9

ang kailangan

08:45.7

para umangat yung impeachment.

08:47.4

Pag hindi mo naabot yun,

08:48.9

kahit gano'ng pakatibay

08:50.0

yung kasong sinampa mo,

08:51.1

kahit ano pang ebidensya

08:52.2

pinakita mo dyan,

08:53.1

hindi iaangat.

08:54.2

So,

08:54.7

diyan pumapasok yung

08:55.8

political aspect.

08:57.8

Sa Senado,

08:58.4

gano'n din.

08:59.2

Dahil sa ating

08:59.8

impeachment proceeding,

09:01.8

Senado ang

09:02.7

mauupo

09:03.3

bilang

09:03.9

hukuman.

09:06.2

Kaya,

09:06.9

senator-judge,

09:07.9

ang tawag

09:08.6

kapag sila ay nauupo

09:10.0

as an impeachment court.

09:12.2

Again,

09:12.7

may proseso.

09:13.9

Mag-representa ng

09:14.5

ebidensya,

09:15.6

may mga witnesses,

09:16.7

may mga titistigo,

09:17.8

papakinggan,

09:19.0

may mga objection-objection.

09:20.3

Parang, ano,

09:21.5

formal rules

09:22.3

of court.

09:23.1

Ina-apply.

09:24.2

Pero sa dulo,

09:25.7

boto.

09:26.8

Diba?

09:27.0

Magbubotohan yung mga senador

09:28.2

at kailangan,

09:29.4

ang maabot na threshold

09:30.3

naman doon,

09:30.8

at least two-thirds

09:31.9

ng lahat ng member.

09:33.8

So,

09:34.3

24 ating senador,

09:36.0

at least 16 votes

09:37.2

para maumakit

09:38.7

ang impeachment.

09:39.4

So,

09:40.2

kaya,

09:40.3

merong description nga

09:42.6

na both legal

09:43.5

and political.

09:44.8

Legal,

09:45.4

kasi sumusunod siya

09:46.1

sa mga formal rules,

09:48.5

meron siyang presentation

09:49.2

of evidence,

09:50.7

meron siya actualing

09:51.7

legal basis.

09:53.1

Sa ilalim ng konstitusyon,

09:54.3

meron lang

09:54.8

ilang dahilan

09:56.2

para maging batayan

09:57.8

sa pagsampan ng impeachment.

10:00.2

Kailangan,

10:00.9

culpable violation

10:01.7

of the constitution.

10:03.2

Kailangan,

10:03.8

treason,

10:04.7

bribery or

10:05.7

graft and corruption,

10:07.8

betrayal of public trust,

10:09.2

other high crimes.

10:10.1

Yan yung listahan.

10:11.6

Kailangan,

10:12.1

pumasok dyan

10:12.8

yung reklamo.

10:14.8

Pero sa dulo,

10:15.9

sa kabila ng lahat

10:17.0

ng mga legal requirements

10:18.2

na ito,

10:19.0

sa kabila ng lahat

10:20.3

ng ebidensya

10:21.0

na kailangan i-present,

10:22.4

sa dulo,

10:23.1

it's a vote.

10:24.6

So,

10:25.1

dyan po mapasok

10:26.0

yung political aspect.

10:28.4

And besides,

10:29.5

both the House

10:30.2

and the Senate,

10:31.0

political bodies yan eh.

10:32.8

Madami naman man

10:33.5

naupo dyan.

10:34.2

Hindi naman abugado.

10:35.2

Hindi naman hukom.

10:36.2

So,

10:37.1

yung kanilang

10:37.6

decision-making process,

10:38.8

ano yung kanilang

10:39.3

pagbabatayan

10:41.0

sa kanilang boto,

10:42.5

hindi necessarily

10:43.2

pareho ng pagbabatayan

10:45.5

ng isang judge

10:46.4

sa korte.

10:47.9

So,

10:48.6

dyan po mapasok

10:49.7

yung very, very

10:50.2

political aspect

10:51.5

ng impeachment.

10:52.5

Ako,

10:53.7

siguro,

10:54.5

ang pinakamagandang quote dito,

10:56.2

yung quote ni

10:56.9

Gerald Ford,

10:58.1

dating presidente

10:58.8

ng US,

10:59.9

nung siya pa

11:00.4

ay majority leader

11:01.6

ng House of Representatives

11:03.4

sa US.

11:03.9

Sabi niya,

11:04.9

an impeachable offense

11:06.1

is whatever

11:06.8

Congress says it is.

11:08.9

Ibig sabihin,

11:10.2

pagpakilala yun,

11:11.5

na sa dulo,

11:12.7

sa kabila ng lahat

11:13.4

ng ating mga legal definitions,

11:15.0

sa kabila ng ating

11:15.8

lahat ng legal requirements,

11:17.3

pag nakuha mo yung boto

11:18.6

sa Kamaradipak representante,

11:20.7

eh,

11:21.6

aandar yung impeachment.

11:22.5

At magtutuloy ito

11:23.8

sa isang impeachment trial.

11:26.2

Oo nga.

11:26.9

Ito pa yung isang realidad dyan.

11:28.3

For example,

11:30.3

mukha naman talagang guilty

11:31.4

yung isang impeached official,

11:33.7

pero syempre,

11:34.3

nandun yung political aspect.

11:36.0

So,

11:36.4

pwedeng i-ignore

11:37.3

nung

11:38.0

mga bobotong judges

11:40.2

sa Senado

11:41.1

yung kung anumang

11:42.2

ebidensya

11:42.8

yung pinaresan sa kanila,

11:43.9

diba?

11:44.3

Because, again,

11:45.0

at the end of the day,

11:46.1

it's all about votes.

11:47.1

Pero,

11:47.9

nandun din naman yung political aspect

11:49.5

na papano kami

11:50.3

public pressure.

11:51.4

Pwede rin naman sila

11:52.4

mag-aneg, diba?

11:52.9

Tama ba?

11:54.2

Tama.

11:54.9

Okay.

11:55.9

Very, very political,

11:57.1

actually,

11:57.5

ang impeachment

11:57.9

in that sense.

11:59.9

Kasi,

12:00.8

dahil yung mga bumoboto,

12:02.4

kailangan natin alalahanin,

12:03.7

elected officials yan,

12:04.8

diba?

12:05.2

Tatakbo yan sa eleksyon.

12:06.7

Sa dulo,

12:07.5

may pananagutan sa publiko.

12:09.4

So,

12:10.2

pwedeng madala sila.

12:11.4

Pwede silang ma-influenciahan

12:12.5

ng public opinion.

12:14.3

Pwede silang ma-influenciahan

12:15.5

nung tingin nilang sentimiento

12:17.1

ng nakakarami.

12:19.1

So,

12:19.6

alimbawa,

12:19.9

nung impeachment

12:20.8

ni President

12:22.1

Erap Estrada,

12:23.4

kung ating aalalahanin,

12:25.3

yung naging desisyon

12:26.3

ng mga senator judges

12:28.1

dun sa impeachment trial,

12:29.4

dun sa tinatawag nating

12:30.2

second envelope,

12:31.2

diba?

12:31.4

Yung desisyon

12:32.7

na aalaw bang buksan

12:35.0

yung envelope na yun

12:36.2

at i-introduce yung ebidensya

12:38.0

bilang bahagi

12:38.7

ng impeachment trial,

12:40.3

yun ang naging

12:42.3

mitsa

12:44.5

para magkaroon

12:46.1

ng EDSA-2.

12:47.5

Diba?

12:48.1

So,

12:49.0

ako,

12:49.7

yun ang isa sa mga

12:51.3

pinakamalinaw

12:52.4

na ebidensya

12:53.1

na kahit merong

12:54.3

formal legal process

12:56.2

sa sinusunod sa impeachment,

12:57.8

napakalakas

12:58.6

ng epekto pa rin

12:59.5

nung political issues

13:01.1

at political considerations

13:03.0

sa ganitong klaseng proseso.

13:05.3

Pero kung tama yung

13:06.6

pagkakatanda ko,

13:07.6

eventually,

13:08.7

sinilit naman yung laman

13:09.9

ng second envelope.

13:12.5

Wala.

13:12.9

Wala masyadong laman.

13:15.0

Pero by that time,

13:17.0

therein nga.

13:17.8

By that time,

13:18.6

damage done.

13:19.4

Diba?

13:21.3

Ang naging

13:22.8

impreso ng madaming tao,

13:25.2

mukhang niluluto

13:26.1

itong impeachment na to.

13:27.6

Ganito kaaga.

13:29.1

Kaya mukhang

13:29.8

wala nang

13:30.6

pag-asa dito.

13:31.8

Huwag na natin hintayin.

13:33.0

Mag-lumabas na tayo

13:34.1

sa kalsada.

13:35.0

Yun nga.

13:35.5

Yun ang nangyari.

13:38.4

Magbabasa tayo

13:39.2

isa pang bobong comment

13:40.2

ngayong gabi.

13:42.7

Gossip Kings

13:43.7

lang daw tayo.

13:44.8

Ano bang kismis

13:45.8

sa pinag-uusapan natin?

13:47.0

Wala pa tayo

13:47.6

pinag-uusapan.

13:48.3

Pwede yung Google

13:49.7

na-impeach ba si Erap

13:51.0

nung

13:51.2

pang-uusapan?

13:51.3

2,000

13:52.0

tapos atanggal ba siya

13:53.1

ng 2,001?

13:54.7

That's a fact.

13:55.8

Okay?

13:56.7

Meron bang issue

13:57.5

yung second envelope?

13:58.7

That's a fact.

13:60.0

Ano po ba yung mga

14:00.9

impeachable offenses

14:03.3

na nandun sa ating

14:04.2

1987 Constitution?

14:06.4

Nandun po lahat yun.

14:07.6

Kaya

14:07.9

inay-inay lang

14:09.1

sa pobong comment.

14:09.9

Nakakabawas ang brain cells.

14:11.4

Sayang naman

14:12.1

yung quote ko.

14:12.9

Bihira akong mag-quote dito.

14:15.4

Nasayang.

14:16.1

Okay.

14:16.7

Ito.

14:17.0

Number 3.

14:18.4

Pag sinabi impeachment,

14:21.0

nagmagalit

14:21.3

kasi ako nang simula

14:22.2

eh no.

14:22.8

Bakit i-spawn nga?

14:23.8

Diba?

14:24.1

It's formally accusing

14:25.1

someone of

14:26.0

committing an impeachable offense.

14:27.9

Pero hindi pa siya convicted.

14:29.4

Diba?

14:29.8

Okay.

14:30.1

Hindi pa.

14:30.7

Tama.

14:31.9

Okay.

14:32.6

So ano yung quantum of evidence

14:34.1

required

14:34.6

pag sakaling

14:35.3

kung sakaling sumampan

14:36.5

sa Senado

14:37.2

yung articles of impeachment

14:39.3

dun po sa mga

14:40.3

trolls na hindi

14:41.5

nagre-research dyan.

14:42.9

Ito po yung bintang.

14:44.2

Formal na bintang.

14:45.8

14:46.3

nag-emanate sa house

14:47.7

na mag-a-act

14:48.5

as prosecutors

14:49.3

at ang judges naman po

14:51.2

yung mga senador.

14:52.8

So ano ba yung kailangang

14:53.6

ebidensya dyan

14:54.4

para

14:54.8

makonvict?

14:57.3

Well,

14:58.0

diba?

14:58.3

Ang prevailing

14:59.0

belief

15:00.6

ang prevailing doctrine dyan

15:02.2

ay dapat proof

15:02.9

beyond reasonable doubt.

15:04.4

The same standard

15:05.6

na ina-apply dapat

15:06.8

sa criminal cases.

15:08.5

Pero sa dulo,

15:09.8

diba?

15:10.1

Ito kasi yan eh.

15:12.3

Pag sinabi mong

15:13.3

proof beyond reasonable doubt

15:14.5

at sa mag-implement judge,

15:16.5

maaaring mas ano yun.

15:17.4

Mas klaro.

15:18.3

Kasi ano yun eh.

15:19.3

Isang tao na

15:20.5

nag-aaral,

15:21.2

nag-aaral ng batas,

15:22.4

naintindihan niya

15:23.2

kung ano yung mga

15:24.1

president,

15:25.1

paano nag-decide dati

15:26.4

ang Supreme Court

15:27.2

sa mga ganitong klaseng kaso,

15:29.0

ano yung history

15:29.9

ng disisyon

15:31.0

sa ganitong

15:31.6

sa ganitong

15:32.9

situation.

15:34.3

Pero sa kaso

15:35.3

ng isang Senate

15:36.7

sitting as impeachment court,

15:38.1

karamihan ng member dyan,

15:39.1

hindi abogado.

15:40.0

O kung abogado man,

15:41.7

hindi sila nag-serve

15:42.9

as judges.

15:44.5

So maaaring

15:45.1

mayroon...

15:45.9

Sorry,

15:46.2

akala ko sa iyo mo.

15:48.1

Abogado man,

15:48.9

pero hindi halata.

15:49.9

Sorry.

15:50.3

Go ahead.

15:51.2

Hindi naman.

15:53.1

Diba?

15:53.7

Pero diba,

15:54.4

kilalaanin natin

15:55.2

na hindi lahat

15:57.4

ng abogado

15:58.1

eh,

15:59.1

diba,

15:59.6

may karanasan

16:00.4

sa paghusga

16:01.5

ng mga kaso.

16:03.2

Ibang skill set

16:05.0

naman yun eh.

16:05.8

Diba?

16:06.4

Parang si Ronald Llamas

16:07.4

may ibang skill set.

16:08.4

Pero diba,

16:09.3

ito yung

16:09.7

sinasabi ko.

16:11.3

So,

16:11.8

sa dulo,

16:13.2

kahit na magbigay ka

16:13.9

ng formal standard

16:14.8

na ito dapat yung sundin nyo,

16:16.2

eh,

16:17.0

kanya-kanyang ano yan,

16:18.1

kanya-kanyang basa

16:19.6

kung ano yung tingin nilang

16:21.1

sapat.

16:22.3

Kung ano yung tingin nilang

16:23.8

dapat nilang maging desisyon.

16:25.9

Kasi,

16:26.3

very, very technical

16:27.4

yung standard na yun.

16:28.9

And yung practical application nun

16:30.5

sa isang context na

16:31.6

hindi naman pare-parehong

16:33.1

yung pinanggagalingan.

16:36.2

Hindi naman pare-pareho yung training.

16:37.6

Hindi pare-pareho yung background.

16:39.0

Eh,

16:39.5

ibang-iba.

16:40.4

So, sa dulo,

16:41.5

as a practical matter,

16:43.1

individual decision yan.

16:44.7

Na batay sa konsensya

16:46.1

ng individual senator judge.

16:49.3

O nung kanyang,

16:50.1

well,

16:50.3

kung magiging

16:51.1

mas realistic tayo,

16:52.6

yung kanyang political alignment

16:54.1

o yung kanyang pagbasa

16:55.2

dun sa political situation.

16:56.7

So,

16:58.4

mas nananaig

16:59.3

sa tingin ko,

17:00.1

actually,

17:00.5

in many cases,

17:01.6

yung political considerations

17:03.6

than yung strictly legal ones

17:05.0

because of yung nature

17:06.1

nung Senate

17:07.0

as a political body

17:08.8

as opposed to

17:09.4

isang cork deck.

17:10.9

Nabanggit yung conscience, no?

17:14.2

Parang nagduda ka.

17:16.5

Magduda ako, eh.

17:17.8

Conscience detector yata

17:19.0

kailangan ng gano'n, no?

17:20.1

Tulad ng lagi kong sinasabi,

17:21.1

sabi dito,

17:21.8

hindi po rin may konsensya

17:22.9

ang isang tao.

17:23.6

Sapat na po yun

17:24.3

para makapag-abdigay siya

17:26.0

ng tamang, ano,

17:26.7

desisyon.

17:27.8

Diba?

17:28.1

Ang conscience dapat well-formed.

17:30.8

Diba?

17:31.7

Yan ang,

17:32.5

sorry,

17:32.8

nagmamoralize na naman ako.

17:33.9

Alam niyo naman dito,

17:34.5

nagmamagaling lang ako, eh, no?

17:36.1

Tsaka nakalala ko, no,

17:37.0

isa to sa dapat iniisip natin

17:38.5

pagboboto tayo

17:39.4

ng mga tumatakbo

17:40.4

sa pagkasinador.

17:41.3

Imagine ninyo,

17:42.0

yung napipisil nyo,

17:43.6

sinuari,

17:43.9

ang pogi,

17:44.5

ang galing kumanta,

17:45.5

okay,

17:45.8

ang ganda,

17:46.2

mukhang makamasa.

17:47.7

Imagine ninyo,

17:48.4

magsusuot siya ng, ano,

17:49.3

parang judicial robe, no?

17:51.2

Tapos,

17:51.7

magdi-desisyon yan.

17:53.1

Diba?

17:53.9

Eh, kung walang, ano,

17:55.3

walang kaalam-alam

17:56.3

sa sistema

17:57.2

at wala pang konsensya,

17:59.6

eh,

17:59.8

yari tayo dyan.

18:00.6

Sorry, ah,

18:01.1

nag-ano lang ako.

18:02.0

Hindi ako nag-digress,

18:02.8

pero totoo yun.

18:05.7

Ayan.

18:06.5

Kaya tingnan nyo po

18:07.2

yung current composition

18:08.4

ng Senate

18:08.9

kung sakaling mag,

18:09.8

ano man sila,

18:10.8

ah,

18:11.2

duminig ng isang impeachment complaint,

18:13.1

eh,

18:13.2

okay ba sila?

18:14.4

Yan.

18:15.1

Okay.

18:15.8

So,

18:15.9

Quantum of Evidence,

18:16.9

actually, ano yan, eh, no?

18:17.8

Hindi naman talaga nakasulat yan, eh.

18:19.6

No?

18:19.9

Yes, in the end.

18:21.7

Okay.

18:22.6

O, isa-isa yun natin yung grounds, no?

18:24.4

Kasi,

18:24.9

eto,

18:26.7

for instance,

18:27.7

ah,

18:28.8

eto,

18:29.2

pinag-usapan to

18:30.0

ng 2012 impeachment

18:31.2

trial of,

18:32.4

ah,

18:33.4

then Chief Justice

18:34.2

Renato Corona, eh.

18:35.3

Diba?

18:35.5

Mahabang ano yan, eh.

18:36.8

Tapos, actually,

18:37.9

ano, ano, eh,

18:38.5

parang a learning opportunity

18:39.5

for many people

18:40.6

who were watching that

18:41.5

on 2012.

18:42.9

And, eto,

18:43.4

for instance,

18:44.1

pag sinabi bang,

18:45.3

ah,

18:45.7

culpable violation

18:46.8

of the Constitution,

18:48.0

ano ba yun?

18:49.7

Merong ginawa

18:50.8

na malinaw

18:51.9

na lumabag

18:52.5

sa isang provision

18:53.3

ng Constitution.

18:54.8

Okay.

18:55.8

So,

18:56.6

halimbawa,

18:57.2

may mga,

18:57.6

may mga,

18:58.9

ah,

18:59.9

patakaran sa Constitution.

19:01.3

Halimbawa,

19:01.6

separation of powers.

19:03.4

Kung mapapakita

19:04.4

na yung isang opisyal

19:05.5

lumabag doon,

19:07.3

hindi,

19:07.6

hindi sumunod

19:08.7

doon sa parametro

19:09.7

ng kapangyarihan

19:10.8

na nakabigay sa kanya

19:11.7

at inagaw na niya

19:12.6

yung kapangyarihan

19:13.5

ng ibang opisina

19:15.1

19:15.4

na,

19:15.4

19:15.5

ng,

19:15.7

ng ibang opisyal.

19:16.8

Culpable violation

19:17.7

of the Constitution yun.

19:19.2

O kaya,

19:19.7

may mga certain restrictions

19:21.3

na ini-impose

19:22.5

ah,

19:23.5

sa mga constitutional officers.

19:25.5

Hindi nyo pwedeng gawin to.

19:26.5

Kung ginawa nila yun,

19:27.7

culpable violation

19:28.5

of the Constitution.

19:29.3

So,

19:29.4

ibig sabihin,

19:30.2

kung culpable violation

19:31.1

of the Constitution

19:31.8

ang iyong, ah,

19:33.2

isasampa

19:33.8

o sasama sa iyong

19:34.8

impeachment complaint,

19:36.0

kailangan may matuturo kang

19:37.3

provision ng Constitution

19:38.4

na,

19:39.4

at sasabihin mo na,

19:40.5

sa ginawa ng

19:41.5

opisyal na ito,

19:43.3

nalabag

19:43.9

yung provision

19:45.1

ng Constitution.

19:45.7

At dahil dyan,

19:47.5

siya ay dapat

19:48.3

i-impeach.

19:49.6

At dahil culpable,

19:51.2

kailangan malinaw,

19:52.6

malinaw yung,

19:53.7

ah,

19:54.1

yung paglabag.

19:54.8

Klarong-klaro

19:55.7

na hindi nasunod

19:56.9

yung, ah,

19:58.4

tinatakda

19:59.1

ah,

19:59.6

ng, ng,

20:00.2

ng isang particular na provision

20:01.6

ng ating Constitution.

20:03.3

Ito pa,

20:03.9

isang gusto kong puntahan yung,

20:05.3

parang napaka-wide

20:06.1

ng latitude dito eh.

20:07.4

Lalo kung malisyoso

20:08.2

yung gusto magpa-impeach,

20:09.4

no?

20:10.1

Betrayal of public trust.

20:11.9

Ano ba yun?

20:12.6

As an example,

20:13.3

balikan natin yun,

20:14.0

2012.

20:14.8

Kasi yun,

20:15.5

natapos yung impeachment

20:16.4

proceedings na yun eh.

20:17.6

And I remember

20:18.5

distinctly,

20:19.4

kinukover ko yun.

20:20.3

Kinukover ko yun

20:20.9

from start to end.

20:22.5

Talagang sinabi ni

20:23.3

then Senate President

20:24.3

Enrile,

20:24.9

hindi niya papayagan

20:25.7

na magkaroon ng walkout.

20:27.7

Similar to what happened

20:28.6

in 2001

20:29.5

yung kay Aeropistrada.

20:30.5

Talagang tatapusin yun.

20:32.2

And natapos naman talaga.

20:33.5

Pero in the end,

20:34.4

hindi naman na-convict

20:35.2

si Renato Corona

20:36.6

because of,

20:38.3

ah,

20:39.0

graft,

20:39.4

diba?

20:39.8

Graft and corruption.

20:41.3

Hindi siya na-convict

20:42.0

because of that.

20:42.7

Na-convict siya

20:43.6

ng mga senador

20:44.9

dahil,

20:45.5

hindi siya nag-declare

20:46.8

ng kanyang peso

20:48.2

and dollar deposits

20:49.6

doon sa kanyang

20:50.5

statements of assets,

20:51.8

liabilities,

20:52.4

and network.

20:53.4

So I think

20:53.8

ang justification doon

20:54.9

was ano ba?

20:55.9

Correct me if I'm wrong.

20:56.8

Betrayal of public trust,

20:57.9

naman ba?

20:58.6

Yes.

20:59.7

Betrayal of public trust

21:00.8

kasi yung pinaka-malawak.

21:02.3

Yan yung parang

21:02.7

pinaka-catch-all

21:03.6

dyan sa listahan

21:04.8

ng mga

21:05.4

basis

21:06.8

for impeachment na yan.

21:08.5

Basically,

21:09.3

kahit

21:09.8

anumang ginawa

21:10.8

ng tao

21:11.3

na nagpapatunay

21:12.6

na unfit siya

21:13.6

for office,

21:14.7

pwedeng maklasipasyon

21:15.5

as betrayal of public trust.

21:17.0

So dadya nila

21:17.7

sinilong

21:18.9

yung

21:19.6

failure

21:20.5

21:21.6

file yung

21:22.6

accurate na SAL-N.

21:23.9

Diba?

21:24.4

Misdeclaration

21:24.9

ng SAL-N.

21:26.4

Hindi,

21:27.1

may mga tinago

21:27.9

supposedly

21:28.7

ng mga kayamanan

21:29.8

na hindi sinama

21:30.5

doon sa kanyang

21:31.1

SAL-N.

21:32.3

Yun yun.

21:33.2

Diba?

21:33.4

Kasi yan talaga

21:34.3

yung broadest

21:35.1

na basis.

21:36.5

Anything

21:37.0

nasa tingin

21:38.2

nung

21:38.6

well,

21:40.2

impeachment court

21:41.0

at nung

21:41.6

Congress

21:42.2

na mag-refer

21:43.1

ng Articulates of Impeachment

21:44.2

21:45.0

renders you

21:46.6

unfit for office,

21:48.1

anuman yun,

21:49.2

eh papasok

21:49.9

sa betrayal

21:50.4

of public trust.

21:51.8

So papasok

21:52.3

pwede dyan

21:52.8

personal behavior,

21:54.9

ugali mo

21:56.4

habang ikaw

21:56.8

inandon,

21:57.5

kumabusado ka ba

21:58.7

o etc.

21:59.6

Lahat yun.

22:00.3

Pwede.

22:01.6

So ito yung

22:02.7

catch-all

22:03.3

sabi nyo.

22:03.8

So napaka-wide

22:04.6

yung latitude dito.

22:06.4

Napaka-wide talaga.

22:08.2

Pero nasusunod ba

22:09.1

yung jurisprudence

22:10.1

dito sa impeachment

22:10.9

proceedings

22:11.9

or each

22:12.9

proceeding

22:13.3

is unique

22:14.3

in itself.

22:16.7

Example,

22:17.2

kunwari may bago

22:17.8

na impeach ngayon.

22:19.2

Ibig sabihin,

22:19.7

formally accused,

22:20.9

sumampay Articles of Impeachment

22:22.2

sa Senado.

22:23.4

Pwede bang sabihin

22:24.0

ng Senado ngayon

22:25.0

na ibang-ibang

22:25.6

composition

22:26.1

kumparado sa 2012?

22:27.5

Sabihin nila,

22:28.4

asusundin natin yung ano,

22:30.1

yung parang naging

22:30.7

quantum of evidence

22:31.6

sa sinunod doon,

22:32.6

tapos,

22:33.2

ayan,

22:33.5

sal and bawal,

22:34.6

or it doesn't necessarily

22:35.6

apply,

22:36.0

katulad nung,

22:36.8

kunwari sa Supreme Court.

22:37.8

Hindi ganun yan?

22:39.3

Hindi.

22:40.3

Wala naman kasing

22:41.3

rule ng ano eh.

22:43.1

Tinatawag nating

22:43.9

stare decisis,

22:45.1

diba,

22:45.6

na nag-a-apply sa Korte.

22:46.6

Sa Korte kasi,

22:47.3

pag Supreme Court

22:48.1

ay nagbaba ng,

22:49.0

ng ano,

22:50.0

ng,

22:50.3

ng disisyon

22:51.3

sa isang kaso,

22:52.4

nag-a-act yun as President

22:53.6

para sa mga future cases.

22:55.4

Ibig sabihin,

22:56.3

it creates a rule

22:57.3

at yung rule na yun

22:58.4

kailangang sundin

22:59.4

sa mga susunod na disisyon

23:00.7

unless,

23:01.8

babalikan

23:02.4

at i-o-overturn

23:03.5

nung,

23:03.9

nung Korte mismo.

23:05.3

Pero sa kaso

23:06.0

ng impeachment,

23:06.6

ng Senate sitting

23:07.5

as impeachment court,

23:08.5

walang rule na ganun.

23:09.8

So,

23:10.0

hindi sila actually bound

23:11.2

to follow yung

23:12.9

process.

23:13.9

na ginagawa

23:15.2

ng,

23:15.6

ng ibang

23:17.1

impeachment courts

23:18.5

before then.

23:19.4

Sa U.S.,

23:20.0

for example,

23:20.7

merong jurisprudence

23:21.6

na nagsasabi na

23:22.5

yung Senate can choose

23:24.2

how to,

23:25.2

to deal with

23:25.8

impeachment cases

23:26.9

ah,

23:28.5

ano,

23:29.2

on a,

23:30.4

come as you are basis,

23:31.5

per case basis.

23:32.8

So,

23:33.0

alimbawa,

23:33.5

merong isang kaso sa U.S.,

23:35.3

judge yung in-impeach,

23:36.4

umakit sa Senate,

23:37.6

na hindi na-hear

23:38.3

ng buong Senate.

23:39.8

Hear lang

23:40.3

ng isang maliit

23:41.0

ng isang panel

23:41.8

ng mga senador

23:42.8

at yun yung nag-decide.

23:43.9

And then,

23:45.0

in-affirm nung...

23:46.7

Hindi.

23:47.1

At sabi ng,

23:47.5

sabi ng U.S. Supreme Court,

23:49.3

pwede yun.

23:49.8

Kasi sa dulo,

23:50.9

wala namang piniprescribe

23:52.0

ang, ah,

23:52.8

constitution, eh.

23:54.4

Nang process, eh.

23:55.6

Sinasabi lang

23:56.2

that the Senate

23:56.8

has to sit as an impeachment court

23:58.4

at kailangan

23:59.3

yung vote to convict

24:00.4

two-thirds.

24:01.9

So,

24:03.0

sa totoo lang,

24:03.9

kung anong gusto nilang gawin,

24:05.0

pwede.

24:05.8

Diba?

24:06.3

Kung sabihin nilang,

24:07.4

walang,

24:07.9

walang trial,

24:08.7

ano lang,

24:09.2

ah,

24:09.8

magsabit lang kayo

24:10.5

ng mga dokumento,

24:11.7

i-reviewin namin,

24:12.4

tapos mag-abotohan kami.

24:13.6

Pwede yun.

24:14.9

Kasi wala namang,

24:16.1

ano eh,

24:16.4

walang,

24:16.6

walang nakatakdang,

24:17.8

ah,

24:18.4

rule.

24:19.5

Ah,

24:20.3

nagpapasa usually

24:21.4

yung Senate

24:22.3

ng impeachment procedure

24:24.3

by resolution.

24:25.9

Pero, again,

24:26.8

diba,

24:27.1

they can always choose

24:28.0

to pass another resolution

24:29.3

na iba yung process

24:30.6

na piniprescribe.

24:31.9

At,

24:32.4

kung pagbabatayin natin

24:33.3

yung U.S. jurisprudence,

24:35.1

ah,

24:36.2

pwedeng gawin yun.

24:37.0

Hindi yun bawal.

24:38.0

At,

24:38.6

wala naman nakalagay

24:39.2

sa Constitution after all

24:40.2

na any,

24:41.1

any specific process

24:42.7

by which yung Senate

24:43.9

has to,

24:44.5

has to decide.

24:46.6

So,

24:46.9

pwede rin gawin

24:47.3

ng Philippine Senate yan,

24:48.4

no?

24:48.4

Yung composition

24:49.0

ng current Senate,

24:49.8

for instance,

24:50.9

na pwede lang

24:51.6

revisahin yung rules

24:52.4

of impeachment

24:53.0

kasi sila naman yung talagang

24:54.4

nakaupo ngayon,

24:55.4

diba?

24:55.6

Tama ba?

24:56.8

Pwede.

24:57.3

Tama.

24:57.9

Tsaka,

24:58.1

every time,

24:58.9

actually,

24:59.3

sa aking pagkakaalala

25:00.6

na nagkaroon

25:01.6

ng pagakyat

25:03.2

sa,

25:03.4

sa,

25:04.1

sa Senate,

25:05.1

dalawang beses

25:06.3

pa lang naman,

25:06.9

actually,

25:07.8

si Chief Justice Corona

25:08.9

tsaka si President Estrada.

25:11.6

Oo.

25:12.4

Nung kay Chief Justice Corona,

25:14.5

hindi nila lang basta

25:15.2

inadapt yung

25:16.1

ginamit

25:17.5

during the time

25:18.2

ni President Estrada.

25:19.5

Nagpasa sila ng bago.

25:20.9

May mga changes

25:21.7

na iba

25:22.5

dun sa rules.

25:23.3

So,

25:23.8

ibig sabihin,

25:24.9

hindi naman major.

25:25.8

Hindi major.

25:26.5

Hindi major.

25:27.1

Pero technically,

25:28.3

walang nagsastop sa kanila

25:29.5

na talagang i-bind

25:30.8

yung,

25:31.6

yung procedure.

25:34.2

Oo.

25:34.9

Tsaka nga,

25:35.4

ito yung realidad,

25:36.2

no?

25:36.2

Pag-usapan lang din natin,

25:37.2

no?

25:38.3

Ito ito mga,

25:39.3

marami na pipikon

25:40.2

sa pinag-uusapan namin,

25:41.3

eh.

25:41.4

Pinag-uusapan lang namin

25:42.4

yung proseso.

25:43.3

Napaka binay

25:44.3

ng discussion, eh.

25:45.6

Ito,

25:45.8

lagyan natin ng konting

25:46.7

realidad, no?

25:47.6

Sa House of Representatives,

25:49.2

ito,

25:49.5

common knowledge naman

25:50.3

turun sa mga maalam, no?

25:52.1

Pag ikaw,

25:52.6

nakaupo kang Presidente,

25:54.0

eh,

25:54.1

dapat kontrolado mo

25:55.1

yung choice of

25:56.5

Justice Committee

25:57.8

Chairman

25:58.5

ng House of Representatives.

26:00.4

Tama ba?

26:01.5

Hindi pwedeng

26:02.0

kaaway mo yan.

26:02.9

Eh, kasi baka

26:03.3

ma-impeach ko.

26:03.5

Kasi,

26:04.2

Committee on Justice

26:05.4

ang nag-

26:06.0

ang committee

26:06.8

na tumatanggap

26:07.9

ng complaints

26:08.9

for impeachment.

26:09.9

At, ah,

26:10.4

sila ang initial

26:11.3

na bumoboto

26:12.1

on impeachment

26:13.3

complaints.

26:14.0

Tama.

26:14.7

Ito pala,

26:15.4

for the record,

26:16.1

ha,

26:16.2

baka kasi

26:16.6

lagyan nila ng

26:17.2

mali siya yung

26:17.9

pagkataon nyo, no?

26:19.3

Kayo ba,

26:20.2

isa ba kayo

26:21.1

sa mga nagbabalak

26:21.8

ipa-impeach

26:22.6

si VP Sara?

26:24.8

Naku, wala!

26:26.2

Wala!

26:28.2

Wala pa sa radar ko

26:29.6

yung mga ganyang

26:30.2

usapan.

26:31.3

Okay, wala.

26:32.1

Kasi meron kayong

26:32.8

pending case sa Supreme Court,

26:34.0

di ba?

26:34.9

Oo, di ba?

26:35.9

Claro yun,

26:36.5

Supreme Court.

26:38.0

Oo.

26:38.4

Kaya kung may mga

26:39.0

nagtatanong sa inyo,

26:39.9

sa ba nanggagaling

26:40.6

yung ugong na yan?

26:41.2

Ah, tanongan nyo yung

26:41.9

mga nasa house.

26:45.9

Tsaka wag tayo

26:46.5

medyo naive, no?

26:47.4

Pag sinabing,

26:48.1

hindi, wala yan.

26:49.3

Ganon din naman

26:49.9

ang panahon ni Erap, eh.

26:51.3

Ganon din naman

26:51.9

ang panahon ni Erap.

26:52.4

Sabi na ng presidente,

26:54.2

wala daw, eh.

26:54.9

Di ba?

26:55.3

Pag sinabi ng presidente,

26:56.6

di ba,

26:57.0

tapos na usapan?

26:58.5

Di ba?

26:58.8

Ganon ang kalakaran dito.

27:00.4

Ah, talaga ba?

27:01.2

Mas yun, eh.

27:02.4

Diyan po nagtatapos

27:03.3

ang ating panayan

27:04.0

magkatungkol sa impeachment.

27:05.4

Eh, tapos na pala, eh.

27:07.1

Pag sinabi na ng

27:07.9

Pangulo, eh.

27:08.5

Eh, sinabi ng speaker,

27:10.1

convincing ba?

27:12.4

Eh, lahat naman sila

27:13.6

convincing, eh.

27:14.4

Di ba?

27:15.2

Okay, dyan po

27:16.1

yung nagtatapos

27:16.8

ng ating panayan.

27:18.2

Lahat naman

27:18.8

ng mga public officials

27:20.1

na ganyan,

27:21.2

convincing

27:21.6

until

27:22.6

meron ang gagawing hindi.

27:24.6

Di ba?

27:25.3

Yun yun, di ba?

27:26.8

Okay.

27:27.8

Ah, ito, ito.

27:28.5

Sige, sige.

27:29.0

Ito, ano lang, ah.

27:30.3

Legally, legally.

27:31.3

Legally ang pag-usapan

27:32.2

muna natin.

27:32.8

Although, again,

27:33.6

tulad ng binanggit

27:34.4

yung kanina,

27:35.2

impeachment proceedings

27:36.1

are, in fact,

27:37.7

more political

27:38.2

than legal, no?

27:39.5

Pero from a legal perspective,

27:41.1

yung banangyaring transfer

27:42.2

ng 125

27:42.8

million

27:44.3

in confidential funds,

27:46.4

ano ba yun?

27:47.0

Can that fall

27:48.2

under any of the

27:49.6

impeachable offenses

27:50.6

listed under

27:51.4

the 1987 Constitution?

27:55.1

Eh, hindi ko masasabi.

27:56.1

Although,

27:56.5

academic discussion lang to, ah.

27:57.9

Academic discussion.

27:59.3

Ang argument namin

28:00.5

dun sa aming petition

28:01.6

ay merong

28:02.7

nalabag

28:03.7

na constitutional provision,

28:05.8

di ba?

28:06.2

Dun sa paglilipat

28:06.9

ng 125 million.

28:08.2

Ito nga yung

28:09.1

provision

28:10.0

which grants the power

28:11.2

of the purse

28:11.7

exclusively to Congress.

28:13.9

At yung provision

28:14.6

na nag-o-govern

28:16.0

dun sa transfers

28:17.0

of appropriation

28:20.3

between offices.

28:23.3

So,

28:24.1

sa tingin namin,

28:25.7

may paglabag.

28:26.4

Pero sa dulo, di ba?

28:27.2

Siyempre,

28:27.5

Korte Suprema lang

28:28.2

ang makakapagsabi

28:29.1

kung meron nga

28:31.1

paglabag.

28:32.5

Ngayon, kung tinatanong mo,

28:33.5

pwede bang gamitin

28:34.2

na basis yun

28:34.9

para sa isang impeachment?

28:36.0

Eh, kahit ano naman

28:36.7

pwedeng gamitin na basis

28:37.7

sa impeachment, eh.

28:38.9

Kung pipiliin nilang

28:40.1

iframe yun

28:41.3

at sabihin na

28:42.2

dahil

28:43.2

merong

28:44.1

nalabag na provision dito,

28:46.1

eh,

28:47.1

pwedeng tumayo yun

28:48.1

as a basis.

28:48.7

At sa dulo,

28:49.7

ang makakapagsabi lang

28:50.6

kung sapat

28:51.4

yung basis na yun

28:52.3

28:53.0

one-third ng members

28:54.7

ng House of Representatives.

28:56.9

Oo.

28:57.4

At saka,

28:57.8

ang unang ano dyan,

28:58.4

di ba?

28:59.1

Technically,

28:59.8

kahit sino ba

29:01.3

pwede mag-sumpa

29:02.0

ng impeachment complaint

29:02.9

against any impeachable

29:04.1

official?

29:06.1

Kahit sino,

29:07.2

pero,

29:07.7

requirement,

29:08.5

kailangang i-endorse

29:09.8

ng isang

29:10.4

at least one member

29:11.7

of Congress.

29:13.0

So,

29:13.3

kung mag-sumpa ka,

29:14.6

pero wala nag-endorse,

29:15.6

eh, wala yun.

29:16.1

Matutulog lang yun

29:16.8

sa Speaker's Office.

29:18.3

Pero,

29:19.1

pag dumating yung

29:19.9

pagkakataon

29:21.7

na kahit isang member

29:22.9

ng House

29:23.5

ay i-endorse

29:24.5

yung complaint na yun,

29:25.9

ipirma siya,

29:27.6

eh,

29:28.5

kailangan yung

29:29.3

paanda rin

29:31.3

ng House of Representatives.

29:32.5

So, may process yan.

29:33.7

Kailangan,

29:34.3

within 10 days,

29:35.1

i-calendar

29:35.6

sa order of business,

29:37.6

kailangan,

29:37.7

within 3 days

29:39.1

after ma-discuss,

29:40.8

ma-take up sa floor,

29:42.5

ma-refer na

29:43.2

to the Committee on Justice.

29:45.0

Kailangan yung

29:45.6

Committee on Justice

29:46.5

60 days.

29:48.0

Within 60 days,

29:48.8

matapos na yung

29:49.4

kanyang deliberation.

29:50.9

And then,

29:51.4

kailangan,

29:52.1

after i-submit

29:52.9

ng Committee on Justice

29:53.8

yung kanyang report,

29:54.7

within 10 days,

29:56.0

mapagbutohan uli.

29:58.4

Makalendar uli

29:59.2

at mapagbutohan

30:00.1

sa floor

30:00.6

kung tatanggapin

30:02.0

or i-reject

30:02.7

yung

30:03.4

report,

30:05.5

yung recommendations

30:06.2

doon sa report

30:07.1

ng Committee on Justice.

30:07.6

So,

30:09.2

basta merong isang

30:10.5

congressman

30:11.2

na nag-sign,

30:12.3

a-under na yung

30:13.0

prosesong yun.

30:14.3

Tsaka, syempre,

30:15.2

responsibility rin

30:16.2

ng Justice Committee,

30:17.3

naalamin kung

30:18.1

sufficient in form

30:19.4

and substance.

30:20.7

Tama ba?

30:21.0

Substance.

30:21.7

Yung reklamo.

30:22.9

Kasi pwedeng sinunod yung

30:23.8

template,

30:24.5

pero sustansya,

30:25.9

wala.

30:26.8

Pero again,

30:27.4

yung sufficiency

30:27.8

in substance,

30:29.7

meron ba nakasulat dyan

30:30.6

yung parang

30:31.0

ito yung criteria?

30:32.9

Wala rin naman,

30:33.6

diba?

30:34.2

Pinagbubutohan din yan eh.

30:35.2

Ron,

30:35.6

meron naman tayong

30:36.6

jurisprudence,

30:37.6

na nagsasabi kung

30:38.6

ano ba ibig sabihin

30:39.7

pag sinabi mo

30:40.4

ang culpable violation.

30:42.1

Anong ibig sabihin

30:43.1

kung sinabi mo

30:43.9

vitriol of public trust.

30:45.7

Pero sa dulo,

30:47.2

judgment call yun eh.

30:48.8

Kasi, diba?

30:49.5

Sabihin mo,

30:50.3

ang accusation namin,

30:51.5

vitriol of public trust.

30:53.0

Pero ano yung

30:53.7

specific na ginawa

30:55.0

na tinuturing nating

30:57.2

vitriol of public trust?

30:58.5

Eh ngayon,

30:59.6

yung determination

31:00.5

kung talaga nga

31:02.0

ang vitriol of public trust

31:03.2

yung sinabing ginawa,

31:04.4

bahala ang ano doon.

31:05.4

Bahala yung mga members

31:06.6

ng committee.

31:07.1

Sila magme-make

31:08.4

yung judgment na yun.

31:09.3

So, technically,

31:10.5

guided sila

31:11.4

nung mga legal

31:12.3

definitions na ito.

31:13.7

Pero sa dulo,

31:14.5

dahil boto yan,

31:16.1

eh bahala

31:17.2

sa individual na

31:18.4

determinasyon

31:19.3

ng bawat membro

31:21.3

ng Committee on Justice.

31:23.5

Okay.

31:24.1

Sabi na isang nanonood

31:25.2

sa atin.

31:25.7

Itong si Sina,

31:26.7

Sina dapat ah,

31:27.8

Tagalog na lang,

31:28.5

mali pa kayo eh.

31:29.7

Itong Sina,

31:30.6

hindi si Esguerra

31:32.0

at saka Gutierrez

31:33.1

para doon may tama

31:34.0

sa utak.

31:35.1

Meron po,

31:35.6

tama po yun

31:36.8

naman ang utak namin.

31:38.0

Kasi tama yung

31:38.7

pinag-uusapan namin eh, no?

31:41.0

Pero kung bobo kayo,

31:42.5

eh talagang ano,

31:43.4

hindi kayo makakasunod

31:44.3

sa usapan.

31:45.0

Eh napaka-simple na nga

31:45.9

ng discussion eh.

31:47.3

Ayan.

31:48.0

Wala nga tayong

31:48.5

pinapa-impeach dito,

31:49.6

diba?

31:49.8

Tinanong ko nga siya eh.

31:50.9

Tsaka wala pa tayong

31:51.7

pinag-uusapan

31:52.3

hindi nakalagay sa batas

31:53.5

o sa konstitusyon.

31:55.5

Oo nga eh.

31:56.5

Oo.

31:56.9

Sabi ni Jovi Aguirre,

31:58.2

ang galing talaga

31:58.8

ni Attorney Barry,

31:59.6

parang si Sir Llamas.

32:01.0

O, tsaka,

32:01.4

alam mo yun eh,

32:02.2

seryoso,

32:02.7

hindi talaga ako.

32:03.5

Ayoko, sorry.

32:04.4

Mas magaling si Barry Gutierrez.

32:06.2

Pwede bang padala mo

32:06.9

sa akin yan?

32:07.4

Ipapaframe ko,

32:08.3

diba?

32:08.7

Yan na yung,

32:09.7

tingin ko,

32:10.2

yan ang isa sa mga

32:10.9

achievement ko sa buhay,

32:12.6

diba?

32:13.3

Ay hindi eh,

32:14.0

kasi si Barry Gutierrez

32:15.2

ang graduate ng Pisayan eh,

32:16.7

Philippine Science eh.

32:19.0

Ilan lang ba

32:19.6

nakakapasok

32:21.1

sa paaral na yun,

32:22.4

diba?

32:23.4

Ayan talaga,

32:24.2

matinik mo.

32:25.5

Ayan.

32:26.6

Kaya allergic

32:27.2

sa matatali

32:27.8

ng ibang mga nanonood dito eh.

32:30.8

Parang ano,

32:31.5

parang pinapasok

32:32.2

na tamaan ang holy water

32:33.1

pag lumalabas yung

32:34.3

katalinuhan sa utak

32:35.3

ng isang Barry Gutierrez.

32:36.8

Parang ano yun eh,

32:37.6

parang holy water

32:38.5

sa isang

32:39.5

possessed individual.

32:41.4

Ayan.

32:42.4

13th month pay daw

32:43.3

ng mga trolls

32:44.0

sa Binimila.

32:44.9

Ngayon na ba yun?

32:45.4

Ang aga naman

32:46.0

ng 13th month pay nyo.

32:47.4

Wala pang December ah,

32:48.6

grabe.

32:49.0

Wala pa.

32:49.9

Buti binigyan kayo

32:50.7

ng 13th month pay ah.

32:52.5

Okay.

32:52.8

Buti pa sila ah.

32:54.7

Balik tayo

32:55.3

kasi nakakalibre kami

32:56.3

ng discussion sa inyo

32:57.7

kaysa mag-enroll kami

32:58.6

sa College of Law

32:59.4

ng UP.

33:00.6

Ayan.

33:01.0

Eh hindi naman kami

33:02.0

lahat papasa doon, no?

33:03.6

So,

33:04.7

pinaka-wide ang latitude

33:06.3

yung betrayal of public trust.

33:08.4

Yung other high crimes.

33:11.1

Di ba wide yung latitude yan?

33:13.1

Wide yan,

33:14.2

pero

33:14.5

historically

33:15.7

and batay sa jurisprudence,

33:17.7

ang ibig sabihin ng

33:18.3

other high crimes

33:19.1

kapag may ginawang

33:20.5

abuses of office.

33:22.7

So, halimbawa,

33:23.7

abuse of authority

33:24.8

o kaya ginamit mo yung

33:26.3

kapangyarihan

33:27.0

for personal benefit.

33:28.9

Yan ang other high crimes.

33:30.1

At least

33:30.6

sa jurisprudence.

33:32.0

Sa Pilipinas,

33:35.2

wala tayong masyadong

33:36.0

history niyan

33:36.9

dahil wala pang

33:38.1

sa aking pag-aalam,

33:39.5

wala pang

33:39.9

impeachment complaint

33:42.1

na ginamit yung

33:42.8

other high crimes.

33:44.0

Usually,

33:44.4

nag-revolve sa

33:45.4

corruption,

33:47.6

culpable violation,

33:49.0

saka betrayal

33:50.0

of public trust.

33:52.5

Treason?

33:52.9

Bribery warap.

33:53.5

Bribery warap.

33:55.1

Ang treason ba tama

33:56.5

dapat nasa

33:57.2

state of war ba

33:58.4

for this to apply?

33:59.4

Ganun ba yan?

34:00.6

Under criminal law,

34:01.7

oo.

34:02.0

Yung criminal law

34:03.2

definition ng treason

34:04.3

war time lang

34:06.2

pwedeng gawin.

34:06.9

Ibig sabihin,

34:07.4

kung may gera

34:08.0

tapos nung kakumampi

34:09.4

dun sa kagera ng Pilipinas,

34:11.4

yun yung

34:11.8

ibig sabihin.

34:13.1

Pero meron akong

34:13.8

mga nabasang opinion

34:15.1

ng ibang mga scholars

34:17.0

at mga

34:17.8

tanyag na abugado

34:19.9

na treason daw

34:21.5

sa ilalim ng

34:22.2

constitution,

34:22.9

hindi necessary

34:24.1

makafollow ng

34:24.9

technical definition

34:26.0

34:27.0

revised penal code.

34:29.7

Pero pwedeng

34:30.2

intindihin na

34:31.1

anumang

34:31.7

treason,

34:32.0

pagkiling

34:33.0

sa mga kalaban

34:34.1

ng ating bansa,

34:35.2

34:35.7

pagtalikod

34:37.6

sa interest

34:38.2

ng Pilipinas

34:39.0

para itaguyod

34:40.8

yung interest

34:41.4

ng isang

34:42.7

tayuhang bansa.

34:43.9

May gano'ng

34:44.4

posisyon.

34:45.4

Hindi pa natin text

34:46.3

kasi hindi natin alam.

34:47.9

Wala pang

34:48.2

nagsasampad ng treason

34:49.2

sa aking pagkaalala.

34:51.2

Eto,

34:51.8

ito dito.

34:53.0

Eto,

34:53.5

hypothetical lang naman.

34:54.8

Kunwari,

34:55.2

ang isang impeachable

34:56.1

officer

34:56.6

or official

34:57.6

pinayagan na

35:00.3

ang

35:00.9

isang bansa

35:01.9

35:02.0

35:02.4

kunin ang resources

35:03.6

sa ating

35:04.2

exclusive economic zone

35:05.5

when in fact

35:06.5

nakalagay sa ating

35:07.4

konstitusyon,

35:08.1

again,

35:08.4

magmamagaling lang ako uli,

35:10.0

yun ay para sa

35:10.7

exclusive enjoyment

35:12.2

ng mga Pilipino.

35:13.9

And I think

35:14.3

exception,

35:15.2

again,

35:15.6

correct me if I'm wrong,

35:17.0

kung merong excess,

35:18.7

pwede mong gawin yan,

35:19.5

di ba?

35:19.8

Pero you have to

35:20.3

determine in the first place

35:22.2

kung merong excess.

35:23.7

Yung ganyan ba,

35:25.7

would that fall under

35:26.9

sinasabi yung

35:28.0

treason,

35:28.6

betrayal of public trust,

35:30.4

high crime?

35:32.0

Hmm.

35:33.3

Merong mga

35:34.2

merong mga

35:35.3

may mga

35:35.9

duties reposed

35:37.4

sa ilayon ng

35:37.9

konstitusyon

35:38.5

regarding

35:39.1

disposition

35:40.0

ng natural resources.

35:42.1

So,

35:42.4

pwede mong iframe

35:43.3

actually as

35:44.5

culpable violation

35:45.6

of the constitution.

35:47.0

Kung ang nakinabang

35:48.0

ay isang foreign state

35:49.1

at papapakita na

35:50.4

ang pakikinabang

35:52.1

ng foreign state na to

35:53.2

ay at the expense

35:54.8

ng interest

35:55.8

ng mga Pilipino.

35:56.9

Di ba?

35:57.1

Na tayo,

35:58.1

na wala ng trabaho,

35:59.0

halimbawa,

35:59.9

yung ating mga

36:00.5

manging isda

36:01.2

o kaya,

36:02.0

yung mga magagamit

36:03.1

sana nating resources

36:04.5

para sa kapakanan

36:05.5

ng ating mga mamamayan

36:06.8

na wala

36:07.6

dahil napunta sa iba.

36:09.3

Eh,

36:10.1

ano tawag dito?

36:11.1

Tingin ko,

36:12.1

pwede.

36:13.1

Ah,

36:13.5

may mas question mark

36:14.8

sa treason

36:15.2

kasi nga sinasabi ko,

36:16.4

ah,

36:16.8

hindi pa tayo nakakaroon

36:17.6

ng definite ruling dyan.

36:18.9

So,

36:19.5

merong dalawang

36:21.1

opposing views.

36:23.1

Yung isa,

36:23.9

kailangan treason

36:24.9

specific dun sa

36:26.0

revised penal code,

36:26.9

kailangan may gera.

36:28.1

Pero merong view

36:29.0

na nagsasabi na

36:29.9

pwedeng broader,

36:31.0

hindi necesariling

36:31.8

may gera,

36:32.4

basta merong

36:33.6

pagkiling

36:35.0

sa dayuhan

36:36.0

ah,

36:38.1

laban sa interest

36:39.0

ng Pilipino,

36:39.7

eh,

36:39.8

pwede i-consider na treason.

36:41.2

So, pwede.

36:41.7

Kasi,

36:42.3

at,

36:42.7

babalik lang tayo ulit dun sa ano eh,

36:44.3

sa dulo kasi,

36:46.1

eh,

36:46.3

botol.

36:47.0

Di ba?

36:47.8

Hindi,

36:48.2

hindi ganun kastrikto

36:49.6

yung application

36:50.7

ng,

36:52.0

in fact,

36:53.2

merong Supreme Court case dito eh,

36:54.7

yung Francisco

36:55.2

versus House of Representatives,

36:56.6

tungkol ito dun sa impeachment

36:57.9

ni Chief Justice Davide.

37:00.1

Way back when,

37:01.1

ang tagal na nun.

37:02.4

Ah,

37:02.9

ang sabi ng Supreme Court,

37:03.9

pwedeng i-review ng Supreme Court

37:05.4

yung

37:06.0

basis

37:06.9

kung pumapasok

37:08.4

doon sa

37:09.1

mga

37:09.8

ah,

37:11.4

listed

37:11.9

sa ilalim ng ating konsentasyon.

37:13.4

Pero sa dulo,

37:14.5

unless maipakita

37:15.5

na meron talagang

37:16.5

grave abuse of discretion,

37:18.3

hahayaan nilang

37:19.1

magpatuloy.

37:20.3

At,

37:20.7

sa dulo,

37:21.1

dahil nga,

37:21.9

very, very broad naman yung

37:23.2

very, very,

37:23.9

very, very broad yung

37:25.0

mga definitions na yan.

37:26.4

And by design,

37:27.7

hindi talaga

37:28.2

dinefine

37:28.7

sa ilalim ng konsentasyon

37:29.9

ano ibig sabihin ng mga yan.

37:31.6

Eh,

37:31.8

tingin ko,

37:33.2

sa madaming pagkakataon,

37:34.5

i-re-respeto yung

37:35.6

finding ng

37:36.8

ng House

37:37.4

kung ano yung impeachable.

37:39.2

Unless,

37:39.7

sobrang talagang

37:40.3

sobrang klaro talaga

37:41.9

37:42.3

na walang batayan.

37:43.2

Halimbawa,

37:43.7

kung sinabi ng House,

37:44.8

i-impeach namin si

37:45.8

ganito dahil

37:46.8

pangit siya.

37:49.0

Di ba?

37:49.5

I-impeach namin ito dahil

37:51.0

hindi namin siya gusto

37:52.1

sa mga naugali niya.

37:53.4

Yun.

37:53.9

Naku,

37:54.3

maraming matanggal.

37:55.1

Kusibleng yun,

37:55.8

i-reverse.

37:57.6

Kusibleng i-reverse yun.

37:59.2

Di ba?

38:00.0

Pero kung

38:00.9

masabihan na i-impeach,

38:01.8

namin sila kasi

38:02.7

ito yung ginawa niya

38:04.1

at tingin namin

38:04.6

vitriol of public trust dyan,

38:06.4

tingin ko baka

38:07.4

yun

38:08.0

magsa-stand yun

38:09.2

38:10.1

allow yun

38:10.9

to proceed.

38:12.7

Ako po ang unang-una

38:14.0

mag

38:14.4

paprotesta

38:15.7

kung sakaling

38:16.4

maisulat yan sa batas

38:17.8

38:18.2

isa sa mga

38:19.0

kriteriya

38:20.1

para ma-impeach

38:21.2

ang isang opisyal

38:22.1

ay yung itsura.

38:23.8

Dahil pag ginamit po

38:24.7

yung pangit

38:25.5

at kapangitan

38:26.9

ng budhi,

38:27.8

kaitiman ng budhi,

38:29.4

maraming po

38:30.4

mawawala.

38:31.2

Yun lang po.

38:31.8

Ilimit natin

38:38.0

yung pwedeng

38:38.9

kaming basis

38:39.5

para wala masyadong

38:40.5

madamay.

38:41.1

Tama naman.

38:41.9

Correct.

38:42.5

Tama yan.

38:43.0

Ito pala hindi naman

38:43.8

related sa impeachment.

38:45.0

You mentioned,

38:45.7

interesting kasi

38:46.5

yung discussion sa TRISO.

38:47.8

Ngayon may mga

38:48.6

nadidinig ako mga

38:49.6

parang suggestions

38:50.8

dahil daw may mga

38:51.8

ilang mga Pilipino,

38:53.1

iba na,

38:53.5

sa pamahalaan pa raw,

38:55.0

tumikiling sa China

38:55.9

at pinaprotektahan

38:56.9

yung interest ng China.

38:58.7

At iba ka,

38:59.6

natatakot daw sa

39:00.3

tinatawag na

39:00.9

Manchurian candidate

39:01.8

na sana wala naman

39:02.9

kasi mukhang hindi naman

39:03.8

tayo nagkaroon ng

39:04.4

Manchurian candidate ever eh.

39:06.4

Diba?

39:08.6

Oo.

39:08.9

Tama ba man?

39:09.6

Tama ka dyan.

39:10.4

Tama ka dyan.

39:11.1

Tama yan.

39:12.3

Kayo na mag-define

39:13.0

ng Manchurian candidate,

39:14.0

nahihirapan ako eh.

39:17.9

Dapat ba magkaroon

39:18.8

specific na batas

39:19.7

sa ganyan?

39:20.2

I think sa US

39:20.8

may something similar na

39:21.9

para maiwasan yung mga ganyan.

39:25.1

Kailangan ba natin

39:25.7

sa Pilipinas yan?

39:27.7

Dapat naman talaga

39:28.4

bawas, di ba?

39:29.9

Hindi, pero

39:30.7

hindi, pero yung

39:31.4

nagpapromote na interest

39:32.6

ng isang bansa

39:33.3

kung saan,

39:34.0

kunwari,

39:34.4

in the context of the

39:35.2

Philippines and China

39:36.3

sa West Philippine Sea.

39:38.7

Yung mga nagpapromote

39:39.7

ng Chinese propaganda

39:40.6

for instance.

39:44.0

Wala tayong specific law

39:45.5

right now

39:46.2

kasi sa totoo lang

39:47.2

medyo bago

39:49.2

yung

39:49.6

development na

39:52.4

tinatawag natin

39:53.2

parang info war.

39:54.4

Diba?

39:54.7

Na walang actual na gera.

39:56.2

Hindi kayo sinusugod

39:57.1

ng mga sundalo

39:58.2

ng kalaban.

39:59.6

Pero

39:59.9

pinupuno naman

40:01.2

yung inyong

40:02.0

social media feed

40:04.3

yung influence operations

40:06.3

influence operations

40:08.4

na funded actually

40:09.7

40:10.5

40:11.8

foreign

40:12.6

foreign government

40:13.9

at you know

40:14.9

para lang

40:16.2

sagutin ko na

40:16.9

yung mga siguradong aangal

40:18.1

madami na mga studies

40:19.3

na ginawa dito.

40:20.8

Madami na nagsulat

40:21.9

tungkol dyan.

40:22.6

Tinrace yung

40:23.4

kung saan nang gagaling

40:24.4

yung

40:24.7

ganitong klaseng

40:26.1

influence operations

40:27.1

40:27.4

na-establish nga

40:29.3

na may mga foreign governments

40:30.6

na pumapasok.

40:31.2

So dahil bago yan

40:32.5

wala tayong batas

40:34.3

ngayon

40:35.5

advisability

40:36.4

na magkakaroon tayo

40:37.2

ng batas

40:37.9

pwede naman

40:39.1

pero ang problema

40:39.7

ang magiging problema dyan

40:41.1

paano yung definition?

40:42.7

Ano yung lalagay mong

40:43.8

ano yung actual

40:44.8

na pinagbabawal mo?

40:46.5

At ano yung

40:47.0

ano yung ebedensya

40:47.9

kailangan maipakita

40:49.0

para maging

40:50.2

diba?

40:51.3

Para mapatunayan

40:52.0

na ikaw nga

40:53.4

ay nagtatrabaho

40:54.2

o ikaw ay

40:55.4

para nagiging

40:56.2

ahente

40:56.7

ng isang

40:57.7

dayuhang gobyerno.

40:59.3

Diba?

40:59.4

Yun yung

40:59.9

mahirap

41:00.6

41:01.0

palamasin.

41:02.7

Tsaka yung ano

41:03.5

kasi nga

41:04.1

sorry ah

41:05.6

pag pinag-usapan natin

41:06.7

kunwari yung

41:07.4

influence operations

41:08.4

kunwari may ilang mga

41:09.3

propagandista na talagang

41:10.7

kunwari lang ah

41:11.5

hindi ko sinasabing

41:12.4

binayaran sila ng China

41:13.6

para i

41:15.0

i-promote yung

41:16.3

Chinese interest

41:17.2

eh hindi ba

41:18.0

pabagkaroon ng ganyang batas

41:19.4

unang una

41:19.8

may problem of definition

41:21.0

and number two

41:21.7

baka naman matapakan

41:22.9

na yung protected speech.

41:24.8

Exactly.

41:25.3

Freedom of speech eh.

41:26.3

Technically

41:26.6

41:28.3

pwede mo

41:29.9

diba because of

41:30.6

freedom of speech

41:30.9

kahit ano namang opinion

41:32.2

pwede mong sabihin

41:33.1

unless

41:33.9

diba

41:34.9

nag-i-encroach ka na

41:36.9

sa kinukonsider

41:37.9

41:38.3

41:39.1

criminal speech

41:40.2

diba

41:40.5

pero ano yung criminal speech

41:42.4

very ano yan

41:43.0

very controversial yan

41:44.3

na na-definition

41:45.2

diba

41:45.5

even definition nga ng

41:46.9

libel

41:47.4

ano pa eh

41:47.9

contested eh

41:49.0

mas lalo na yung

41:50.0

definition ng speech

41:51.0

na kinukonsider na

41:51.9

for example

41:52.4

threat to national security

41:53.8

meron tayong

41:55.0

batas for example

41:55.9

41:56.6

inciting to sedition

41:57.9

sa revised penal code

41:59.2

napaka broad

42:00.4

nung definition

42:01.1

42:02.3

ng saklaw

42:03.6

and

42:04.4

very controversial

42:05.2

yung ah

42:06.0

yung law na yan

42:06.9

kasi nga

42:07.4

sa karanasan

42:08.5

sa ating kasaysayan

42:09.6

sa madaming pagkakataon

42:11.2

kapag hindi gusto

42:12.4

nung nakaupong

42:13.2

administrasyon

42:13.9

yung sinabi mo

42:14.7

eh kakasuhan ka

42:16.2

diba

42:16.6

ng inciting to sedition

42:18.3

nangyari yan

42:18.9

nung panahon

42:19.4

ni Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo

42:20.8

nangyari yan

42:21.6

nung panahon

42:22.2

ni unang

42:23.0

Ferdinand Marcos

42:24.1

na presidente

42:24.8

at marami pang iba

42:26.2

diba

42:26.7

42:27.0

42:28.0

very ano yan

42:29.2

very

42:29.5

very

42:29.7

very difficult

42:31.3

at very sensitive

42:32.5

na area

42:33.4

42:33.7

napapasukin

42:35.1

and

42:35.8

hindi ko alam

42:36.7

ah ako

42:37.3

sa totoo lang

42:38.4

hindi ko din alam

42:39.1

paano nating

42:39.8

magkatala

42:40.3

magka-strike

42:40.8

ng balance

42:41.4

between

42:42.4

diba

42:43.2

cracking down

42:44.2

dun sa obvious

42:44.9

na talagang

42:45.3

propagandista

42:46.2

at pahagi

42:47.1

actually

42:47.6

ng info war na

42:48.9

na wini-wage

42:49.6

ng isang foreign government

42:51.4

42:52.2

at yung

42:52.8

dapat natin pinuprotekta

42:54.2

hang

42:54.5

legitimate exercise

42:55.9

naman

42:56.2

at expression

42:56.8

ng free speech

42:57.9

at ah

42:58.6

political opinions

42:59.7

43:00.5

ang ganda

43:00.9

ng usapan niya

43:01.6

kasi pati rito

43:02.3

na huwag na tayo lumayo

43:03.1

kunwari

43:03.5

yung mga ibang mga

43:04.4

trolls dito

43:05.8

43:06.0

43:07.1

so far

43:07.9

protected speech

43:08.7

yung mga

43:09.1

pinupotion rito

43:10.0

miski basura

43:10.8

diba

43:11.2

kasi nga may pera

43:13.0

sa basura

43:13.5

diba

43:13.8

so protected speech

43:15.7

yan

43:15.9

ako mismo

43:16.7

I'm very

43:17.6

worried doon

43:18.3

sa mga proposals

43:19.1

ngayon sa House

43:19.8

tsaka sa Senate

43:20.6

yung maglabas

43:22.1

ng batas

43:22.6

against fake news

43:23.7

quote unquote

43:24.4

isa po sa mga

43:25.0

proponents

43:25.5

yung kagalang-galang

43:26.9

na Jingo Estrada

43:27.9

eh unang-una

43:29.1

sino ba

43:29.4

magsasabi

43:30.0

kung fake news

43:30.7

ang isang ano

43:31.3

sinong arbiter nun

43:32.9

diba

43:33.2

yun ang nakakatakot eh

43:35.5

43:35.8

parang pag sinayaw

43:37.3

pangit yung isang

43:38.2

isang public official

43:39.4

is that fake

43:40.2

eh diba

43:40.5

beauty is in the

43:41.1

eye of the beholder

43:41.8

I mean

43:42.9

ridiculous example yan

43:44.6

pero

43:45.0

nakakatakot diba

43:46.7

yung legal

43:47.8

route na yan

43:48.6

tama

43:50.0

agree

43:50.6

43:52.9

baka nga better

43:54.2

kung ako din mag focus

43:55.4

less on the speech

43:56.8

and more on

43:58.4

I don't know

43:58.9

baka trace

43:59.4

yung

43:59.9

saan nga galing

44:00.6

yung pera

44:01.2

diba

44:02.0

so yung pagtanggap

44:03.5

ng pera

44:04.1

mula sa isang

44:05.0

foreign entity

44:06.9

na diba

44:07.7

to fund

44:08.2

yung ganitong

44:08.6

klaseng operations

44:09.4

baka yun yung dapat

44:10.4

i-clamp down

44:11.2

pero again

44:11.9

usapin yun

44:13.1

ng anong klaseng

44:13.8

ebidensya

44:14.4

ang pwedeng makakalap

44:15.5

diba

44:15.8

pero tingin ko

44:18.1

slowly

44:18.8

nagiging concern

44:20.5

na hindi lang

44:20.8

sa Pilipinas

44:21.4

pero even sa

44:22.6

ibang mga demokrasya

44:23.8

gaya ng US

44:24.7

at Europe

44:25.8

diba

44:26.1

na increasingly

44:27.4

nagagamit

44:29.0

yung

44:29.4

social media

44:30.3

space

44:31.1

as a venue

44:32.7

for influence

44:33.5

operations

44:34.1

ng foreign governments

44:35.2

diba

44:35.4

and yung level of

44:37.1

impact

44:38.3

na pwede niya

44:38.7

makreate

44:39.3

yung

44:39.5

ayokong gabitin

44:41.2

yung

44:41.3

destabilization

44:42.1

pero

44:42.4

yung panggugulong

44:43.5

na kreate niya

44:44.8

within yung

44:45.6

yung

44:47.0

yung bansa

44:47.6

diba

44:48.0

44:48.4

na tinatarget nyo

44:49.8

medyo mataas

44:50.6

diba

44:50.8

actually

44:51.7

arguably

44:53.8

mas malaki

44:54.3

pwede pang

44:55.3

mas malaki

44:55.7

yung impact

44:56.2

kaysa doon sa

44:56.7

nagdeploy ka

44:57.2

ng mga sundalo

44:57.9

diba

44:58.8

and yung

44:59.4

yun yung point

45:00.4

tsaka ito

45:02.1

diba

45:02.3

parang pwede rin

45:03.2

baka nga rito

45:03.6

sa trolling

45:04.3

yung

45:05.1

ano rin yan

45:06.7

yung

45:06.8

mga influence

45:07.2

operations yan

45:08.0

actually

45:08.4

term ng

45:08.8

ibang mga

45:09.1

expert

45:09.4

dyan

45:09.6

social engineering

45:10.5

parang

45:11.2

ini-engineer mo

45:11.9

yung

45:12.1

perspectives

45:13.3

and reactions

45:14.5

through

45:15.2

yung mga

45:16.0

ginagawa

45:16.5

ng mga

45:16.7

iba ditong

45:17.2

nanonood

45:17.7

e hindi pa

45:18.5

pwedeng

45:18.8

yan

45:19.0

para ma-identify

45:20.0

mo rin

45:20.2

yung digital

45:20.8

footprint

45:21.6

yan

45:21.8

so instead

45:22.4

45:22.9

encroaching

45:23.7

45:24.2

impinging

45:25.3

on the

45:25.7

protected speech

45:26.7

ng mga

45:27.4

taong involved

45:28.2

pwedeng hanapin

45:29.0

yung digital

45:29.6

footprint

45:30.3

kung sino yung

45:31.4

naglalabas

45:32.1

sa mga

45:32.5

tao dito

45:33.1

yung mga

45:33.7

non-organic

45:34.7

moves online

45:37.0

diba pwedeng

45:37.9

mas

45:38.3

iyan ang

45:38.7

pag-aralan

45:39.3

oo ako

45:40.7

tingin ko

45:41.4

yun ang

45:41.8

isang

45:42.6

posibling

45:43.3

ruta

45:43.7

na ma-explore

45:45.1

dito

45:45.4

at kung

45:46.8

hahanapan

45:47.6

45:48.0

patas

45:49.0

mas mag-focus

45:49.8

on yung

45:50.2

yung ganoon nga

45:50.7

the digital

45:51.1

footprint

45:51.7

yung

45:52.6

mag-ano ka

45:53.3

financial

45:55.0

forensics

45:56.4

para

45:57.5

economic

45:58.6

forensics

45:59.0

to see

45:59.6

saan nanggagaling

46:00.2

yung pera

46:00.7

talaga bang

46:01.5

pinunduhan yan

46:02.3

saan nanggaling

46:04.6

anong

46:05.4

territory

46:06.8

nanggagaling

46:07.6

yung mga

46:07.9

trolls

46:08.3

diba saan sila

46:08.9

naka-base

46:09.5

and all that

46:10.8

yun ang mga

46:11.4

pwedeng

46:11.9

tingnan dyan

46:12.5

in fact

46:12.9

dun sa mga

46:13.6

lumalabas na

46:14.9

dun sa mga

46:17.4

lumalabas na

46:18.4

mga totoong

46:18.9

tao naman to

46:19.5

Alex De Los Santos

46:20.4

napaka-convince ko

46:21.6

totoong tao to

46:22.6

hindi to

46:23.7

troll

46:24.0

yun

46:24.9

yung mga

46:26.2

lumalabas na

46:26.8

mga studies nga

46:27.6

tungkol dun sa

46:28.4

nagiging

46:29.0

influence operations

46:30.0

yun ang ginagamit

46:31.2

nilang methodology

46:32.3

digital footprint

46:33.9

na tinitingnan nila

46:34.6

tinitrace nila

46:35.2

yung IP addresses

46:36.1

tinitingnan nila

46:36.8

saan nanggagaling

46:37.9

yung traffic

46:38.4

and so on

46:39.6

etsaka isa kong

46:41.1

dapat pag-usapan dyan

46:42.1

syempre yung jurisdiction

46:43.0

kasi iba pwedeng

46:43.9

yung operations

46:44.5

kunwari

46:45.0

kunwari lang

46:45.5

hindi ko sinasabing

46:46.2

dito talaga

46:46.8

nasa India

46:48.1

Pakistan

46:48.7

Russia

46:49.4

China

46:50.0

I don't know

46:51.8

seashells

46:53.1

pwedeng nandun

46:53.7

I don't know

46:54.2

example lang to

46:54.9

diba may

46:56.5

jurisdictional issues

46:57.5

din yan

46:57.8

kasi nga

46:58.4

karoon

46:58.8

karoon

46:59.0

karoon

46:59.0

sa cross

46:59.5

boundaries

47:01.0

eh pero yung mga

47:01.9

nandito

47:02.4

kunwari

47:02.8

huwag na makikabahan

47:04.9

yung mga trolls

47:05.4

na nanonood ngayong gabi

47:06.2

hindi naman

47:06.5

i-rerage yung

47:07.1

call center nyo

47:07.8

sa Makati

47:08.3

tuloy lang kayo

47:09.1

sa trabaho

47:09.5

hanap buhay lang

47:10.3

pero maganda

47:11.2

itong pinag-uusapan

47:12.0

natin kasi nga

47:12.7

para eventually

47:13.8

makahanap kayo

47:14.4

ng bagong livelihood

47:15.2

para magkaroon din

47:17.1

naman ng

47:17.4

transitional justice

47:18.5

yung mga napipinsala

47:19.4

nyo

47:19.7

ayan

47:20.5

okay

47:22.2

eto pala

47:24.4

eto pang huli

47:25.1

attorney bari

47:25.8

seryoso marami kami

47:27.3

natututunan sa mga

47:28.3

sinasabi nyo

47:29.0

eto very

47:29.9

important itong

47:31.8

nangyari

47:32.3

dun sa dating

47:33.4

chief justice

47:34.2

si Maria

47:34.7

Lourdes Sereno

47:35.8

dahil ang

47:36.9

unang pagtangka

47:38.2

sa kanya

47:38.5

sa house of representatives

47:39.6

noong panahon

47:40.1

noong nakara-administrasyon

47:41.6

ipa-impeach

47:42.3

diba

47:42.6

pero I think

47:43.5

there was one

47:44.1

legislator

47:45.2

na medyo

47:46.1

nag-imaginative

47:47.0

yun ang nagkakamali

47:48.0

si ano to eh

47:48.6

si dating

47:49.2

court of appeals

47:50.8

justice

47:51.4

Viloso

47:52.8

tama ba

47:53.2

kasi nakausap ko siya

47:54.2

dyan about it eh

47:55.0

parang siya yata

47:55.7

daw yung nakaisap

47:56.6

kung tama yung

47:57.1

pagkakatanda ko

47:58.0

baka pwedeng

47:58.9

subukan yung

47:59.5

co-waranto

48:00.1

route

48:01.3

and

48:02.0

yun niya actually

48:03.4

yung ginamit

48:04.0

para tanggalin sa pwesto

48:05.3

ang isang impeachable

48:06.7

official

48:07.2

48:08.1

unang-una

48:08.6

paka-explain po ulit

48:09.5

sa mga

48:10.0

nalalabuan ba

48:11.8

ano ba yung

48:12.2

co-waranto petition

48:13.1

na yan

48:13.4

at kanino ba

48:14.0

yan ina-apply

48:14.7

co-waranto

48:16.9

technically

48:17.4

pwedeng i-apply

48:18.1

sa kahit na sinong

48:19.0

public officer

48:20.1

ang main argument mo dyan

48:21.7

48:22.1

itong tao na ito

48:23.2

ay hindi qualified

48:24.3

para sa posisyon na ito

48:26.0

merong isang

48:26.6

qualification

48:27.3

dun sa posisyon

48:28.3

na hindi niya

48:28.9

na-meet

48:29.2

okay

48:29.9

so halimbawa

48:30.8

sa election cases

48:32.3

yung protest

48:33.1

actually co-waranto yun

48:34.7

pag nagpupag-file ka

48:35.7

ng election protest

48:36.6

ang argument mo

48:37.8

eh hindi naman siya

48:38.6

yung nanalo ng election eh

48:39.7

diba

48:40.1

so hindi siya dapat

48:40.9

yung maupo

48:41.5

so ako dapat

48:42.4

yung maupo

48:43.0

yun yung

48:43.4

48:44.3

yung co-waranto

48:45.5

kay dating

48:46.7

Chief Justice

48:47.4

si Reno

48:48.4

yun yung in-allege

48:49.9

na supposedly

48:50.6

meron siya

48:52.6

mga

48:52.7

meron siya

48:53.3

hindi mga

48:53.8

na-submit

48:54.8

ng mga requirements

48:56.2

nung siya ay

48:57.1

unang na-nominate

48:58.2

48:58.8

sa JBC

48:59.6

okay

49:00.3

ito nga yung mga

49:01.3

supposedly

49:02.2

mga

49:02.8

sal-in niya

49:04.4

going back

49:05.2

10 years

49:06.1

hindi ko na maalala

49:06.6

yung UP days niya

49:08.0

UP days

49:08.5

UP pa

49:09.0

UP days pa

49:10.0

naging professor ko pala

49:11.4

si dating Chief Justice

49:12.2

si Reno

49:12.6

na nag-a-account ako

49:14.1

sa U

49:14.7

naging teacher ko siya

49:16.1

magaling ba?

49:17.0

okay ba?

49:18.1

magaling naman

49:18.7

magaling

49:19.0

matalino talaga

49:19.8

okay

49:20.2

49:20.6

nung ano

49:22.4

nung

49:22.8

nung

49:24.6

49:24.9

nag-file siya sa JBC

49:27.1

unang siyang na-nominate

49:27.8

sa Supreme Court

49:28.3

49:28.5

dapat kailangan mo

49:29.3

i-submit yun

49:29.8

and supposedly

49:30.5

defective

49:31.5

kulang yung mga submissions

49:32.8

so naging teorya

49:34.0

dahil hindi mo

49:35.3

hindi ka nag-comply

49:36.6

sa mga requirements na ito

49:39.0

okay

49:39.4

ikaw ay

49:40.5

49:41.1

hindi entitled

49:42.0

na ma-appoint

49:42.7

dahil ah

49:44.0

kulang

49:44.5

yung mga qualifications

49:46.2

pero

49:46.7

magkataka ka

49:47.8

kapag binasa mo yung disisyon

49:48.9

may part na yun

49:50.3

ang diniscuss

49:50.9

pero mahaba din yung part na

49:52.5

at buko doon

49:54.1

bad trip ka

49:55.0

ng Chief Justice ka

49:56.1

at yung mga pinagagawa mo

49:57.3

maabang

49:58.3

litaan niya

49:58.9

ng mga

49:59.4

ng mga

50:00.8

hindi ka na

50:01.6

supposedly

50:02.4

hindi magandang mga ginawa niya

50:04.3

nung siya ay

50:04.9

naupo

50:05.6

sa Supreme Court

50:06.9

50:07.3

marahing bad trip sa kanya

50:08.8

hindi ko ala

50:09.2

naandyan na ngayon

50:11.1

siyempre part na ng jurisprudence

50:12.3

natin yan

50:12.6

naandyan yan

50:13.3

pero tingin ko

50:14.5

baka mahirapang ulitin

50:16.8

50:17.2

kasi

50:17.8

una

50:18.7

50:19.6

ang mga members

50:20.5

sa Supreme Court

50:21.1

bahagi yan

50:21.8

ng protected class eh

50:23.3

na removable only by impeachment

50:24.9

sa ilalim ng ating konstitusyon

50:26.3

so feeling ko

50:27.9

baka

50:28.6

hindi rin sila gano'n

50:29.5

ka-eager

50:30.1

na ulitin

50:31.5

yung

50:32.2

yung gano'n

50:32.9

dahil

50:33.3

in effect

50:34.1

napadali na tanggalin sila eh

50:35.9

di ba

50:36.1

iko-co-warrant ko ka na lang

50:37.5

tama ba?

50:38.7

kung yun daw nagkakamali

50:39.5

dito sa specific

50:40.4

co-warranted decision na ito

50:42.0

ano ba yung

50:42.5

tawag doon sa nature na

50:43.8

this only applies to this case?

50:45.8

tama ba yun na nakalagay siya?

50:47.2

50:47.4

50:47.5

yeah

50:48.0

kalamutan ko yung term eh

50:50.0

50:50.3

medyo

50:51.7

may Latin term dyan

50:53.1

50:53.5

ibig sabihin dito yung

50:55.6

parang standard na na

50:56.9

kahit sino pwede nang patagal

50:57.9

50:58.2

parang

50:60.0

ang dating sa akin na na

51:01.1

bilang isang layman

51:02.4

dating sa akin nun

51:03.3

parang umulan

51:04.0

pero ikaw lang yung nabasa

51:04.8

for this time only

51:06.5

basically

51:07.0

yan yun

51:07.6

diba

51:08.3

na-imagine ko dyan

51:09.2

kung lahat kayo nakatayo sa kalsada

51:10.8

umuulan

51:11.4

pero ikaw lang yung

51:12.7

sa ilang nakatutok yung ulan eh

51:14.1

parang gano'n eh

51:14.9

ayan

51:15.7

okay

51:16.4

so paano yan?

51:17.5

paano nyo tinuturo sa law school yan?

51:23.2

tinuturo pa kasi yung

51:24.5

yung ano yung nakalagay sa constitution

51:25.5

pero

51:26.3

pinapanote na

51:27.9

ito yung nangyari

51:28.6

sa kaso ni

51:29.5

ni Chief Justice Sereno

51:31.0

diba?

51:32.0

so ito yung naging justification

51:33.4

ito yung naging basis

51:34.9

diba?

51:35.2

tapos dinidiscuss

51:36.0

very interesting actually

51:37.4

pag didiscuss mo yan sa mga estudyante

51:38.8

dahil

51:39.3

syempre may serilya silang opinion

51:40.8

nabasa nila syempre

51:42.1

yung nakalagay sa constitution

51:43.0

nabasa nila yung mga dating pronouncements

51:45.3

ng Supreme Court

51:46.1

tapos biglang may ganitong

51:47.6

51:48.3

disisyon

51:48.7

so interesting yung kanilang perspective

51:50.8

kung ah

51:52.0

well comments sila

51:53.0

on yung reasoning

51:53.7

comments on ah

51:55.2

ano ba ang implications ito sa ano

51:56.8

so gano'n

51:57.5

51:57.9

so hindi sya

51:59.2

hindi sya dididiscuss

52:00.3

na ito na ngayon yung patakaran

52:01.5

dididiscuss sya as

52:02.6

ito yung rule

52:03.5

as we

52:04.0

as established

52:04.8

as we understand

52:06.0

ito yung nakalagay sa constitution

52:07.5

pero may ganitong kaso

52:09.7

so diba

52:10.5

kailangan nating intindihin

52:11.9

diba?

52:12.3

as part of yung

52:13.2

52:13.6

jurisprudential history natin

52:15.2

diba?

52:16.0

ganon yung ah

52:17.2

ganon yung style

52:18.1

pero ganon

52:18.7

ganon yun eh

52:19.2

diba?

52:19.9

ito talungan tayo ni LDG na

52:21.6

tama ito yan no?

52:22.3

Pro Hakviche

52:22.9

na?

52:23.9

Pro Hakviche

52:24.7

tama

52:25.4

galing

52:25.9

ah yan no?

52:27.5

student

52:27.8

siguro

52:28.2

o lawyer

52:29.1

ayos

52:29.7

ito lang

52:30.8

ito na curious ako

52:31.8

kalakuanan to

52:32.6

na imagine ko no

52:33.6

kunwari tinuturo nyo yung

52:35.5

impeachment proceedings

52:36.5

yung ganyan ganyan

52:37.2

52:37.6

sa low class

52:39.0

ito lang yung mga

52:41.0

pwede ma-impeach

52:41.9

kung bago

52:42.3

very impassioned kayo

52:43.2

pero pagdating dun sa

52:44.2

52:45.2

pero yung kay Lorde Sereno

52:46.6

ganito eh

52:47.2

parang mabilis eh

52:48.4

parang dinaanan lang eh no

52:50.5

kasi manilihan

52:51.7

bakong rules

52:52.2

eh ano naman yan eh

52:52.6

yan ang

52:53.9

the exception

52:54.6

that proves the rule

52:55.6

diba?

52:57.2

manilihan

52:57.5

ano yung ibig sabihin

52:58.3

yun diba?

52:59.8

53:00.0

hindi ba kayo natatanong

53:01.3

na ituturo nyo ba yan

53:02.8

sa school?

53:04.2

nagkaroon na ako

53:05.0

ng mga discussions

53:05.7

on yan

53:06.5

specifically

53:07.1

hindi ba

53:07.8

nagtatanong

53:09.7

ibang mga

53:10.7

student

53:11.0

noong time na yan?

53:11.8

53:12.0

definitely madaming tanong

53:13.8

53:14.4

pero yun naman ang ano eh

53:15.4

yun naman ang

53:16.0

yun naman ang

53:17.5

value

53:18.1

nasa law school

53:19.4

pwede kang magtanong

53:20.7

pwede kang

53:21.5

umintindi

53:22.2

53:22.7

pwede pag-usapan

53:24.3

ang mga Supreme Court

53:25.2

decisions

53:25.9

53:26.4

yun

53:27.5

nag-iiba ba yung

53:27.9

commitment to

53:28.8

nag-iiba ba yung level of

53:30.5

being convincing nyo

53:32.0

pag

53:32.3

pag ito hindi ni-discuss

53:33.9

medyo

53:34.3

hindi naman

53:35.1

hindi naman

53:38.0

diba?

53:38.5

parang

53:38.8

pinipresent ko as

53:40.3

as the court presented it

53:41.9

diba?

53:42.1

pinag-uusapan

53:42.8

ng mga

53:43.2

ng mga estudyante

53:44.3

may mga

53:45.1

kung may mga

53:45.7

nagdi-disagree

53:46.4

may mga

53:47.2

may mga

53:47.5

may mga nagdi-disagree

53:48.3

may mga

53:48.7

may mga

53:48.7

violently

53:49.3

magdi-disagree

53:49.9

ang sinasabi ko na lang

53:50.8

ipinilang nyo

53:51.8

pag panahonan nyo

53:52.9

do better

53:54.1

yun naman ang gusto natin

53:55.6

diba?

53:55.9

laging yung susunod na

53:57.9

hinerasyon

53:58.4

that's better

53:59.2

diba?

53:60.0

do better

54:00.6

ayos yan ah

54:01.5

do better

54:02.2

pang ano yan ah

54:03.0

pang gen x siya

54:03.9

mga ganyang advice ah

54:04.8

do better next time

54:06.0

na?

54:08.4

kasi kaya technically

54:09.6

ang interpretation naman

54:10.8

ng batas

54:11.5

ay kung ano yung

54:12.4

huling sinabi

54:13.2

ng supreme court

54:13.9

diba?

54:15.9

54:16.4

yeah

54:17.2

hindi naman lagi

54:18.2

diba?

54:18.6

may mga pro-hack

54:19.3

bitchy nga eh

54:20.1

diba?

54:21.1

pwede lang sabihin na

54:21.9

hindi ito mag-i-establish

54:23.2

ng president

54:24.2

diba?

54:24.9

yun yun

54:25.3

54:25.9

parang lang sa kasong

54:28.0

ito to

54:28.4

ayan

54:30.2

okay

54:30.8

sabi na iba

54:31.6

ayan

54:34.8

tuwan-tuwan yung iba

54:35.7

sa tawa nyo

54:36.4

ayan

54:37.3

natutuwa sila sa tawa nyo

54:38.7

infectious daw

54:40.0

infectious

54:40.7

pwede bang gawing ringtone?

54:43.0

ringtone

54:43.5

okay

54:46.0

anyway

54:46.6

attorney bari

54:47.3

maraming salamat

54:48.0

for joining us

54:48.7

iba talaga

54:49.4

pag matalino kausap natin

54:50.8

hindi natalino

54:51.8

matalino si attorney bari

54:53.8

matagal ko nang kakilala yan

54:55.3

ayan

54:56.1

ayan

54:56.5

nalaman akong pisahe pa

54:57.6

lalo ako nabilib eh

54:58.6

yun nalang

54:59.0

ikaw na lang laging nating

55:00.9

invite no

55:02.1

ayan

55:02.4

mas magaling kay Llamas to

55:04.6

hindi

55:06.9

asan ko sa iyo

55:07.9

magaling yun

55:08.7

diba?

55:09.3

kaya

55:09.5

hingi ako nung

55:10.8

screencap nung pinadala kanina

55:12.9

55:13.3

singaling ko si Ronald

55:14.8

ipapaframe ko yun

55:15.7

nalagay ko sa

55:16.5

scene ako

55:17.4

hindi

55:18.3

convinced pa rin ako

55:19.3

mas magaling ka kaya

55:20.2

kay Ronald Llamas

55:22.1

55:22.3

talaga naman

55:23.9

nagkabulahan tayo dito ha

55:25.2

sige

55:25.4

55:26.5

sige

55:26.9

attorney bari Gutierrez

55:28.0

maraming salamat for joining us ha

55:29.9

maraming maraming salamat

55:30.8

thank you rin

55:31.2

thank you

55:31.9

thank you

55:32.2

ayan

55:34.5

si attorney bari Gutierrez

55:35.8

nakalibre tayo ng

55:37.1

lecture sa kanya

55:38.3

ganda nung mga

55:39.8

diniscuss niya

55:40.7

pero ito

55:41.8

napipikon eh

55:42.6

masyado namang kayong

55:43.4

ano

55:43.7

affected

55:44.7

panapansin nyo

55:45.6

hindi natin masyado

55:46.4

pinag-usapan yung

55:47.4

kung

55:47.9

dapat ba ma-impeach

55:49.3

si VP Sarah Duterte

55:50.4

o hindi

55:50.9

diba?

55:52.0

kasi ang intention ko talaga

55:53.0

sa episode na ito

55:54.0

mapag-usapan

55:55.1

natin yung proseso

55:55.9

ng impeachment

55:56.4

kasi ang dami-dami

55:57.1

naguguluhan

55:57.8

diba?

55:59.5

biska sa ibang mga

56:00.2

journalist eh

56:00.9

akala nila pag in-impeach

56:02.3

ay tanggal na sa pwesto yan

56:03.7

hindi po

56:04.1

totoo yun

56:04.9

pag sinabing

56:06.0

impeached

56:06.8

or being formally accused

56:08.6

of committing

56:09.6

an impeachable offense

56:11.4

yun yun

56:12.3

at dadaan pa po

56:13.1

sa proseso yun

56:14.2

yung ala

56:14.7

yung prosesong yan

56:15.4

nagsisimulayan sa

56:16.2

House of Representatives

56:17.1

at dahil political po

56:18.5

yung nature

56:19.0

in large part

56:20.5

ng isang impeachment

56:21.3

proceedings

56:22.2

importante na

56:23.6

mabait sa iyo

56:25.1

yung

56:25.3

leadership

56:26.5

ng House of Representatives

56:27.6

kasi walang

56:28.4

impeachment proceedings

56:29.6

na gagalaw

56:30.4

kung hindi

56:31.8

56:33.2

kung hindi galit

56:35.2

sa iyong

56:35.5

ano

56:35.7

tama ba yung sabi ko?

56:37.9

yun nga

56:38.2

kailangan kakampi mo

56:39.8

yung mga nasa house

56:40.6

para hindi gumalaw

56:41.6

o magkaroon ka ng

56:42.5

kahit an impeachment

56:43.2

complaint

56:43.8

diba?

56:45.4

at pag natapos

56:46.5

yung impeachment

56:47.0

complaint na yan

56:47.8

for instance

56:48.4

sa House of Representatives

56:50.5

itatransmit na yan

56:52.6

doon sa Senate

56:54.0

na uupad

56:55.1

po bilang

56:55.5

impeachment court

56:56.5

so yung mga

56:57.2

nakaupong senador

56:58.0

ngayon

56:58.4

imagine ninyo

56:59.1

naka judicial

56:59.7

rubyan

57:00.2

bagay ba?

57:01.9

sino ba yung mga

57:02.9

nandyan ngayon?

57:04.3

Lauren Legarda

57:05.2

yung magkapatid

57:08.0

na Keitano

57:08.7

Nancy Binay

57:10.0

Francis Tolentino

57:11.9

JV Jingoy

57:13.7

Joel Villanueva

57:16.0

Mig Zubiri

57:17.3

Angara

57:18.0

Cynthia Villar

57:20.4

Lito Lapid

57:21.8

nagkaroon na experience

57:23.7

siya

57:23.9

noong 2020

57:25.1

kung sa kasakali

57:26.1

sino pa ba?

57:27.1

Robin Hood Padilla

57:28.1

Rafi Tulfo

57:30.1

diba?

57:30.6

Bagay ba sa kanilang

57:31.4

naka-robe?

57:32.2

kung sa kasakali

57:32.9

lang naman

57:33.3

so kaya nga

57:34.7

sa susunod

57:35.9

magkakaroon tayo

57:36.9

ulit ng midterm

57:38.0

election sa 2025

57:39.3

may mga tatakbo

57:40.9

naman sa pagkasenador

57:41.8

e sana isipin niya

57:43.1

mabuti

57:43.6

sa pagpili niya

57:45.5

ng isang

57:46.0

kandidato

57:47.0

sa pagkasenador

57:47.8

isipin niya

57:48.8

yung mga trabaho

57:49.4

ng isang senador

57:50.2

kaya ba niya

57:51.7

maging impeachment

57:52.5

court judge

57:53.4

kung sa kasakali

57:54.2

kung sa kasakali

57:55.1

hindi pwedeng

57:55.8

porky-pogi lang

57:56.8

o mukhang mabait

57:57.7

o mukhang relatable

57:59.3

okay na

58:00.6

diba?

58:02.8

ayun

58:03.3

okay ba?

58:06.9

hmm

58:07.1

sige

58:08.0

okay na

58:10.3

sige na

58:11.1

magandang gabi

58:11.9

napakahaba na

58:12.7

ng discussion natin

58:13.6

umabot na tayo

58:14.3

ng isang oras

58:15.0

okay

58:16.1

sige

58:16.6

maraming salamat po

58:17.6

kita kita po tayo

58:19.0

huling bukas

58:19.4

dito po sa Vax First

58:20.4

ako po

58:20.8

si Christian Esguerra

58:21.8

sa Team Replay

58:22.6

at sa Team Delay

58:23.7

maraming salamat

58:25.1

sa inyo

58:25.5

ay sana naging educational

58:26.6

para sa ating lahat

58:27.7

ito pinag-usapan

58:28.4

ngayong gabi

58:29.0

and sana yung mga trolls

58:31.2

sana kumita kayo

58:32.4

dito sa hanap buhay

58:34.1

na ginawa nyo

58:34.6

ngayong gabi

58:35.2

dahil talaga napagod po

58:36.9

kayo sa ginawa nyo

58:37.8

hindi po madali

58:39.3

yung inyong trabaho

58:40.1

para ibenta po

58:41.3

inyong konsensya

58:42.2

o kalimutan yung

58:43.0

inyong mga values

58:44.2

at mga prinsipyo

58:45.5

kapalit ng salapi

58:47.5

ayan

58:48.5

sige

58:49.5

maraming salamat po

58:50.6

sa inyong lahat

58:51.3

magandang gabi po

58:55.1

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