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TELL IT TO THE MARINES RAFFY TULFO!- CYNTHIA VILLAR
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The video is a live stream where the host is reacting to another video featuring Rafi Tulfo speaking during a legislative session. Here are specific points of discussion:

- The host states that he is an environmental scientist familiar with issues regarding indigenous peoples and environmental law. He is from Baguio City, where similar concerns arise.
- The host addresses Rafi Tulfo's claims about the environment, specifically citing the Dunning-Kruger effect, which implies that Tulfo overestimates his understanding of complex issues.
- Rafi Tulfo is shown questioning the permission granted for the construction of a wind farm in Masungi Conservation Area, which he says is a protected wildlife sanctuary and game preserve.
- The host explains the distinction between ancestral domains and protected areas, noting that an ancestral domain does not necessarily mean it is a protected area.
- The video shows Tulfo being corrected that the wind farm project he speaks of is only a study to measure wind energy potential and not actual construction in the protected area.
- Tulfo is informed that the structures he refers to are not within the legislated protected area but are instead located in Pililla, which is a tourist attraction with existing windmills.
- The host comments on the fluidity of Tulfo's claims, noting changes in his story from having structures already built to questioning the permissions for study and potential displacement of Indigenous peoples.
- The video features a discussion about the different zones in a protected area: strict protection zones and multi-use zones. Tulfo learns that activities are not allowed in strict protection zones but could be permissible in multi-use zones.
- It concludes with the host criticizing Tulfo's understanding of environmental topics and questioning his expertise compared to the actual experts from the Department of Natural Resources (DNR).


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00:00.0
Alright, yan! Magandang araw mga kapatid natin at welcome sa isang mga livestream
00:06.6
Mga kapatid natin, special request din ni IamShanwain ito
00:10.8
Sinabi niya sa email niya, ikaw ang best person to react to this, sabi niya
00:15.2
Tapos nagbigay siya ng mga timestamps
00:18.1
6.31, 8.48 to 9.15, 11.50, tsaka 12.45
00:25.4
Sabi niya, I'm sure may enjoyment part na ito
00:28.4
Pinanood ko nga ito mga kapatid natin ng bahagya
00:31.0
At napag-usapan yung tungkol sa environment, tungkol sa NCIP
00:36.8
Mga kapatid natin, indigenous peoples at well, what do you know?
00:42.5
I am an environmental scientist and I grew up in a place where there are a lot of indigenous peoples
00:52.4
Baguio City, diba?
00:54.4
In fact, mga kapatid natin, I know lawyers who practice
00:58.4
I'm friends with lawyers who practice in relation to rights of indigenous peoples
01:06.4
And of course, most of my best friends are indigenous peoples
01:11.5
And mga kapatid natin, I know well the issues in relation to this
01:19.5
In Baguio alone, mga kapatid natin, there are issues in relation to watersheds and protected areas
01:27.0
Okay?
01:28.4
Well, ipapaliwanag ko na lang sa inyo as we go through this
01:33.0
Para maipakita ko sa inyo talaga kung ano yung nangyayari
01:37.5
At ito talaga yung malalaman nyo at makikita nyo yung sobrang pagka Dunning-Kruger
01:43.5
Yung Dunning-Kruger effect ni Rafi Tulfo
01:46.6
Na he thinks he knows stuff
01:49.1
Na tinuturo sa kanya ng madalian
01:52.1
Alam mo yung ikakrush course ka sa ganyan
01:54.4
Tapos dahil yun lang lang alam mo, yun lang ang ipipilit mo
01:58.4
Kasi yun lang nga yung alam mo
02:00.4
Diba?
02:02.4
Parang isipin nyo ito, mga kapatid natin
02:04.8
Isipin nyo ito
02:06.9
May mga, kunwari, may hindi marunong magbilang
02:12.7
Ang alam niya lang na bilangin ay 1 to 100
02:15.6
Okay?
02:17.9
Ngayon, nung nagsasalita ka ng 1,000, hindi niya maintindihan
02:22.3
Pinipilit niya na mali ka kasi nga hanggang 100 lang ang bilangan
02:28.4
Mga kapatid natin, ang isang example ng Dunning-Kruger effect
02:31.9
Hindi niya maintindihan yung sinasabi mo
02:35.3
Kasi nga, hanggang 100 lang siya
02:37.2
Ngayon, nung binanggit mo na yung 1,945, ganyan
02:41.9
Mas mataas na mga numero
02:43.7
Wala na siyang idea doon
02:45.7
Para lang makipag-argue siya ulit sa'yo
02:48.0
Nang paulit-ulit, uulitin niya lang yung alam niya
02:51.7
Okay?
02:55.1
Let's look at this one
02:56.4
Dito, yung ginawa ni Sir Bong dito
02:58.2
Pinalabas niya muna yung mga maanghang na salita ni Sir Rappi
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Sir Rappi Muno, sabi doon sa kabila
03:04.9
Let's go
03:05.4
Si IPs, naano din yan eh
03:07.9
Nai-influence din yan eh
03:10.4
Ay, dapat hindi
03:11.1
Tell it to the Marines
03:14.2
Sorry, tell it to the Marines
03:15.9
Dapat hindi po
03:17.1
Yan o, so pinagpipilitan niya, dapat hindi po, dapat hindi
03:20.8
Oh my goodness
03:22.5
Saan ka ba nakatira?
03:24.7
Sa Mars?
03:25.2
That person under oath, na yan ay valid
03:28.2
documents, at kapag napatunayan na hindi valid dyan, eh siya po'y makukulong
03:34.2
Yes, sir
03:35.2
Can we allow her please to continue?
03:38.3
And you will give you all the time to ask the question
03:40.2
Madam President, ako munang magsalita kasi I'm explaining eh
03:43.5
Tingnan niya si Madam dito, tingnan niya yung reaction niya kay Raffi Tulfo
03:48.2
Inaagaw niya po yung time ko eh
03:49.9
I was the one explaining
03:51.0
Inaagaw niya daw yung time niya, I was the one explaining
03:54.7
Let's go
03:58.2
...locations, at kapag dapat responsible mining, at dapat sa tamang locations, at kapag marami po nagreklamong mga Pilipino, pakinggan po natin
04:10.9
In fact, pati po yung mga foreigner, third party na gumawa po ng auditing, sila mismo ay nag-oppose na hindi dapat ituloy ang Oceana Gold, pero pinagpipilitan po natin
04:20.3
Yan, so yan yung una niyang issue na linalabas, yung Oceana Gold daw na pinagpipilitan
04:26.5
Pakinggan po natin
04:28.2
Madam sponsor
04:29.6
Okay na tayo po dyan
04:32.4
Now, last but not the least
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Ito na po yung sinasabi
04:38.6
Ito actually yung pinaka-GC
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Masungi Conservation Area, Ancestral Domain
04:49.1
Last but not the least, the Masungi
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Okay
04:58.2
Bakit po pinayagan ang isang wind farm na magtayo doon po sa Masungi Conservation Area na meron pong ancestral domain?
05:15.7
Ito mga kapatid natin, yung unang tanong niya, bakit pinayagan yung pagtatayo ng wind farm?
05:27.4
Tandaan nyo yan, bakit pinayagan?
05:28.0
yan ha? Yan yung una niyang claim.
05:29.8
Kasi ang mangyayari dyan, mga kabatas natin,
05:32.3
mababago ng mababago yung
05:33.8
claim niya towards the end.
05:36.6
Okay? Ito yung una
05:37.8
niyang reklamo eh. Bakit daw
05:39.6
pinayagan magtayo ng wind farm?
05:41.8
Sasagutin yan. Ngayon, punta tayo
05:43.9
dun sa ancestral domains, mga kabatas
05:45.8
natin. Kapag ancestral domain
05:47.7
ang isang lugar, it does not necessarily
05:49.7
necessarily mean that it is
05:51.7
a protected area. Okay?
05:54.0
Tulad ng sinasabi ko sa inyo, ang isang
05:55.8
ancestral domain, mga kabatas natin,
05:57.6
ay isang lugar kung saan
05:59.9
yung parte na yun
06:01.4
ay it is owned by the
06:03.7
indigenous peoples
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commonly. Okay?
06:08.1
Bakit? It was
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owned by them since time
06:11.6
immemorial.
06:13.5
Alam nyo ba ang dahilan, mga kabatas natin,
06:15.6
kung bakit nagkaroon ng ancestral
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domain? Ang dahilan kung bakit
06:19.6
nagkaroon ng ancestral domain, mga kabatas
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natin, eh dahil
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noong unang
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panahon, itong mga
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indigenous peoples, mga kabatas
06:29.1
natin, hindi sila marunong
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magpatitulo ng lupa.
06:33.6
Okay? Hindi sila
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marunong dumaan sa proseso.
06:38.2
Bakit? Kasi nga,
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madalas sa kanila ay hindi
06:41.1
nakapag-aral.
06:44.4
Wala silang
06:45.0
access to education.
06:47.2
So ano ang nangyayari, mga kabatas natin?
06:49.7
Ang nangyayari, may mga
06:51.2
pumupunta na land grabbers,
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pumupunta doon sa lugar nila,
06:55.9
tapos pinapatitulo
06:57.3
yung mga lugar nila.
07:00.6
Ngayon, mga kabatas
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natin, magugulat na lang
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itong mga indigenous peoples na ito.
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May magpapaalis sa kanila na hindi nila
07:07.5
kilala, kasi nga, may titulo
07:09.8
daw siya dito. Alam naman natin, mga
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kabatas natin, na siyempre,
07:13.5
pag may title, indivisible
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yan. Tapos, siyempre,
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the best proof of ownership
07:19.4
or the conclusive proof of ownership
07:21.4
is a title over the property.
07:24.0
Siyempre, pag pinakita, maraming
07:25.4
indigenous peoples ang
07:27.3
natatanggalan ng kanilang pagmamayari
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kahit matagal na silang nakatira doon.
07:32.2
Bakit? Kasi nga,
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may titulo na yung iba.
07:36.1
Ngayon, mga kabatas natin,
07:39.1
pinantay ng batas yan.
07:41.1
Sinabi nila,
07:42.9
okay na mag-claim
07:44.4
ng ancestral domain.
07:46.8
Anong papatunayan mo,
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ipapatunay mo na yung
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ancestral domain na yan, o yung
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lugar na yan, kahit wala kang titulo,
07:54.1
it was owned by you
07:55.9
since time immemorial.
07:57.3
Immemorial.
07:59.3
Hindi ko pa maintindi...
08:00.9
Parang, hindi ko na maalala.
08:04.2
Hindi ko na maalala
08:06.1
kung kailan pa kami dito.
08:09.6
Siyempre, may hirap din
08:11.0
maglabas ng ebidensya doon sa mga ganong
08:13.1
bagay. Bakit? Kasi nga,
08:15.7
kapag nasa city ka,
08:17.0
ano yung mga ebidensya mo?
08:18.8
Bill ng kuryente, bill ng telepono.
08:22.1
Diba?
08:23.2
Construction
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construction supplies
08:25.8
na binili mo noon
08:27.8
nung nagpatayo ka ng bahay.
08:29.9
Diba? Ngayon, mga kabatas natin,
08:33.0
wala silang ganon.
08:34.0
Bakit? Nagpa-farm sila doon.
08:36.6
Nagpatayo sila ng kubo.
08:38.2
Yung kubo naman na pinatayo nila,
08:40.3
binili ba nila sa construction
08:41.7
supplies yun? Hindi rin.
08:44.3
So, wala. So, anong
08:45.5
claim nila na ipapakita?
08:48.3
Oh, yung mga ancestors ko.
08:51.3
Dito na sila
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pinanganak, dito sila namatay
08:54.0
since time immemorial.
08:55.8
Okay? Ngayon,
08:57.8
yun ang dahilan kung bakit dumabas
08:59.8
yung ancestral domain na yan.
09:01.4
Pero, mga kabatas natin, like I said,
09:03.8
there are even ancestral
09:05.5
domains in the middle of
09:07.6
Baguio City.
09:10.5
Okay?
09:11.6
May mga ganon.
09:14.9
It does not necessarily mean that
09:17.2
if it is an ancestral domain,
09:19.4
it is a protected area.
09:22.9
Ipapaliwanag din mamaya.
09:24.0
Let's go.
09:25.8
Ah, talaga pong
09:28.2
ano, there's something wrong
09:30.1
with...
09:31.1
Ito, ito, sabi ni si Generis.
09:33.4
Si Mateo Carino, yung nagsimula niyang concept
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ng ancestral domain, he owned most
09:37.9
of what is now Baguio City at that time.
09:40.4
Kaya nga, maraming
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ancestral domains
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pa rin doon sa Baguio City.
09:47.2
No?
09:48.3
O, tuloy natin.
09:49.3
The contract with Masungi.
09:51.8
Talaga pong ano...
09:53.0
... ancestral domain issue.
09:55.8
Ah, talaga pong
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ano, there's something wrong
09:59.6
with the contract with
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Masungi. Kasi
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hindi po pwede yung perpetual.
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No, I'm not talking... Sorry, sorry.
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Let me interrupt. Para hindi na masayang oras natin.
10:09.3
I'm not talking about Masungi Foundation.
10:11.6
I'm not talking. Mamaya na po na
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pag-usapan yun. Later. What I'm talking is...
10:15.6
So, tignan nyo, kailangan na klaro nyo na.
10:17.7
Kasi, kahit tuloy
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nang sinabi ko, ang
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tandaan nyo, yung nagpatayo sila ng
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wind farm doon sa ancestral domain.
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Yun yung clinic claim niya. Okay?
10:27.9
Tignan nyo kung i-reinforce nyo.
10:29.8
The Masungi Conservation
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Area. Not
10:33.3
the foundation. So,
10:35.4
despite the fact na ito po ay
10:37.3
declared as ancestral domain at
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meron pong nakiklaim ng mga
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IPs at...
10:43.0
Ancestral domain yung claim eh.
10:45.3
It does not necessarily mean that it's a
10:47.3
protected area. Yung mga protected
10:49.3
area, yun yung medyo
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limited. Like, for example,
10:53.6
the watersheds.
10:55.3
Yung mga watersheds na yan talaga, bawal
10:57.2
mong galawin. Bawal ka magtayo ng kahit
10:59.5
kalsada dyan. Kasi pag nagpatayo
11:01.5
ka ng kalsada dyan, tatayuan
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na ng mga tao.
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Ng bahay. Kung may access na sila
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doon sa protected area na yun,
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magkakaroon na ng population.
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Notuloy natin.
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Under Proclamation
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No. 1636,
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it was declared
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as a sanctuary,
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wildlife sanctuary and
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game preserve.
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Hindi po dapat pwedeng panghimasukan
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ng anumang commercial activities,
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explorations,
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exploitations, etc.
11:34.3
So ito, binanggit niya rin
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mga kabatas natin. Pero yun nga yung sinabi ko
11:38.0
sa inyo, if it is
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considered an ancestral domain,
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it does not necessarily mean
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that it is a protected area.
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Ngayon sinasabi niya, at hindi po
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dapat pwede
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under
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Proclamation No.
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1636,
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it was declared as a
11:57.6
sanctuary, wildlife sanctuary
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and game preserve.
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At hindi po dapat
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pwedeng panghimasukan ng anumang
12:06.0
commercial activities,
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explorations, exploitations,
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etc.
12:11.6
Dahil may marami po mga ibon dyan
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at mga halaman na endemic po
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sa Pilipinas.
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Pwede naman yun, mga kabatas natin.
12:20.5
If that really is a
12:21.8
protected area, katulad nung sinasabi niya,
12:24.5
okay?
12:25.3
Bawal talaga yun.
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Okay? Bawal yan.
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Dapat ma-preserve yun. Tulad na lagi
12:31.4
kung sinasabi sa inyo,
12:33.6
the best way to preserve
12:35.5
nature is to leave it alone.
12:38.5
If you want to help
12:39.7
nature, leave it alone.
12:42.7
Okay? Because
12:43.6
it will thrive by itself.
12:45.6
Ang ginagawa lang ng mga tao
12:47.2
ay naninira ng
12:49.2
nature. Okay? So,
12:51.3
leave it alone. That's the best way to do it.
12:54.0
Now, let's go.
12:55.3
In 2020,
12:58.0
a proposal to
12:59.2
measure the potential of wind energy
13:02.0
was given
13:03.3
by the United States.
13:05.9
What are we talking here about?
13:15.5
The wind energy that
13:17.2
they want to do in Masungi?
13:20.4
The wind farm?
13:22.3
Mr. President?
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Yes.
13:25.3
Mr. President, Madam Sponsor, the VENA energy is what I'm talking about.
13:30.6
VENA energy that was given, permitted by PAMBI to put up their structure.
13:39.9
You meant masport semestery?
13:43.5
In fact, if I may add, while you're doing your research, DNR Administrative Order No. 33, May 10, 1993.
13:52.0
Masungi Rock and its vicinity, specifically bounded by longitudes 121 degrees, 17 degrees to 121 degrees, 21 east, west, anyway, etc.
14:04.1
It says here, declared a strict nature reserve and wildlife sanctuary in accordance with the provision of R.A. 7586,
14:11.8
otherwise known as National Integrated Protected Area System Act of 1992.
14:16.5
So yun yung sinasabi ko sa inyo, protected area. Pero meron kasing lugar na dinideclare na protected.
14:22.0
Protected area. Ipapaliwanag din nila ito mamaya kay Rafi Tulfo, pero hindi niya maiintindihan. Tignan nyo.
14:30.6
At wala pa pong bagong DAO or Department of DNR Administrative Order.
14:38.3
Pero pag titignan nyo kasi mga kabatas natin, ang basis niya ay DNR Administrative Order. Yung kausap niya mga taga-DNR.
14:46.1
Natuloy.
14:52.0
Sabi po, wind energy is allowed because it's renewable energy.
15:09.0
But wala pa daw permit yan. Parang mag-i-study pa lang kung ano yung potential ng wind energy. Yun lang ang ibinigay nila. They cannot operate yet.
15:19.4
Yan. So, ibig sabihin, it's...
15:22.0
Merely a study.
15:23.6
Ang claim nung una ni Rafi Tulfo, nagpatayo na.
15:28.1
So doon pa lang mali na yung information ni Rafi Tulfo.
15:31.8
Hindi na maganda kung saan siya nang gagaling.
15:34.0
Diba?
15:34.9
Titignan nyo kung anong gagawin niya ngayon.
15:39.2
Isisave nyo yung sarili niya.
15:41.3
Hindi niya alam na papahiya na siya ng todo.
15:43.9
Tignan nyo.
15:44.4
Yung PAMBI, ang ibinigay lang is a study.
15:48.5
Sabi ni Ilumi.
15:51.0
Sa'yo, makikinig.
15:52.0
Makikinig ang tao eh na zero-three ka.
15:56.4
At least gusto kong pag-usapan.
15:59.0
At least hindi ako nag-i-invento, nagpa-fabricate.
16:04.5
At least totoo yung mga sinasabi ko.
16:09.0
Kasalanan mo yan.
16:12.0
Kasalanan mo yan. Sinabi sa'yo, wag nang pag-usapan.
16:15.4
Ang katuloy natin.
16:16.3
Adi, of the potential of the wind energy in Masungi.
16:21.2
No.
16:22.0
It shouldn't be.
16:25.0
It shouldn't be.
16:27.3
Naisip niya rin na mali yung premise niya eh.
16:31.9
Kasi sinabi niya, wala pa yan.
16:35.3
Pinag-aaralan pa lang.
16:37.0
At tignan nyo.
16:37.5
Dapat in the first place, wala pong gagawing study nung kasi naghukay na po eh.
16:43.1
Tignan nyo kung gaano ka-coherent yung mga sasabihin ni Rafi Tulfo.
16:49.0
Dapat in the first place, wala pong gagawing study nung kasi naghukay.
16:52.0
Naghukay na po eh.
16:53.6
In the first place, wala pong gagawing study dun.
16:57.3
Dapat wala daw gagawin ng study kasi naghukay na po.
17:01.8
Anong kinalaman ng study sa hukay?
17:06.3
Di ba pagpag-aaralan mo, if you will just study it, bakit ka maghuhukay?
17:13.3
Siguro, titignan soil testing.
17:16.9
Di ba?
17:18.2
Well, that's part of the study maybe.
17:20.9
Kaya lang.
17:21.4
Dito nyo maungunin.
17:22.0
Kung huli siya, mga kabatas natin, na nagkakaroon na siya ng mga ad-hoc rescues.
17:26.4
Kasi nga, ang unang feed sa kanya ay nagpatayo na ng wind farm.
17:32.8
Marami na pong structure doon.
17:36.2
Nagpatayo na daw. Marami na daw structure.
17:40.4
Kaya lang, study pa lang ang ginagawa.
17:45.6
And I have pictures to show.
17:47.4
What are the pictures?
17:49.0
Ang sabi po nila, yung Pambi.
17:51.4
Binigay lang is to determine the wind energy.
17:55.2
May conflict po eh.
17:56.7
Ewan lang natin kung yung binigyan ng permit to measure the potential of wind energy.
18:05.2
Kung dinis-obey nila na nagawa na sila doon.
18:09.3
Pero it is based on a study lang.
18:13.0
Yan.
18:14.1
That's how it's supposed to be.
18:15.3
It's just a mere study.
18:16.7
Di ba?
18:16.9
Di ba?
18:19.4
Pero sinasabi niya may structure na.
18:21.4
Ibig sabihin, nag-violate sila.
18:24.2
Yun ang sinasabi ni Senator Villar.
18:26.3
Madam President, meron na po mga structure doon.
18:28.7
Nag-umpisa na sila na maglalagay ng wind farm doon.
18:34.5
Yung nilagay daw po doon, hindi part ng Masungi.
18:37.6
Sa Pililya daw yun.
18:39.0
It's not part of the legislated protected area.
18:43.2
Yan ang sinasabi ko eh.
18:46.3
Sa Pililya, meron talagang windmills doon.
18:50.6
Tourists.
18:51.4
Attraction yun eh.
18:52.2
Pumunta kami doon eh.
18:57.0
At saka doon sa Pililya, doon sa pinagtayuan nila.
19:01.6
Hindi naman siya forest reserve.
19:04.8
So, malina naman siya idol dito.
19:08.5
So yun, it's not part of the legislated protected area.
19:12.9
Yung pinaglagyan ng mga improvements na yun.
19:16.5
It's beyond the legislated protected area.
19:20.1
I'll help you.
19:21.4
Kaya nga, pinoint out ko sa inyo mga kabatas natin,
19:25.0
yung meets and bounds.
19:28.7
Tapos, ang una kasing argument ni Rafi Tulfo,
19:31.7
ni si Rafi,
19:33.9
eh, bakit kayo magpapatayo doon eh ancestral domain yun?
19:37.7
Hindi dahil ancestral domain yan, bawal ka magpatayo doon.
19:42.4
Okay?
19:43.5
Let's go.
19:44.7
Madam sponsor,
19:46.3
what happened was,
19:48.5
ginamit ng pambit.
19:51.4
Tignan niyo, iniiwasan niya na.
19:52.8
Nag-iisip siya eh.
19:54.0
Nag-iisip siya ng sasabihin niya.
19:56.1
Tignan niyo kung paano niya i-rescue na naman yung sarili niya dito.
19:59.3
Related protected area.
20:00.5
I'll help you, Madam sponsor.
20:03.0
I'll help you, sabi niya.
20:07.5
Ang punto doon, tapos na yung usapan eh.
20:09.8
That's not part of the protected area.
20:14.0
O, tignan niyo na naman yung punto niya.
20:16.3
What happened was,
20:18.7
ginamit ng pambit,
20:21.4
yung Section 25
20:26.0
ng Republic Act 11-038
20:30.3
hinipas 2018 as amended.
20:35.1
What does it say doon po sa Section 25?
20:39.5
Special uses with protected areas.
20:43.9
So nagkaroon po,
20:46.1
because of pambi,
20:48.4
ginigyan po yung pambi sa batas na ito.
20:50.3
Nagkaroon ng amendment
20:51.8
na para i-deklara
20:53.5
kahit isang protected area
20:55.6
na into multi-use.
20:59.2
Pero, pero, pero,
21:00.4
sinabi na sa'yo na hindi yun
21:02.2
protected area.
21:05.7
Nag-i-exist ngayon
21:06.6
yung Section 26 na yan.
21:08.1
Tapos, pwedeng multi-use.
21:10.9
Pero ang sinabi sa'yo,
21:12.5
hindi yun part ng
21:14.1
protected area. So it will not.
21:17.7
That is not relevant.
21:20.3
And this has to be amended.
21:25.1
Then amend it.
21:30.1
Then amend it.
21:32.7
Kasi,
21:33.9
it runs contrary
21:35.1
to
21:36.5
the spirit of the law
21:38.7
protecting.
21:41.6
Di ba nag-iba na naman siya,
21:44.4
mga kabatas natin?
21:47.3
Sinabi sa kanya,
21:48.5
sinabi niya,
21:49.1
nagtayo na sila ng structure doon.
21:51.0
Nagtayo na sila ng structure doon.
21:53.9
Sabi sa kanya,
21:54.8
yung mga structure na pinatayo na yun,
21:56.6
wala yun doon sa protected area.
21:59.8
Hindi niya sinabi na,
22:01.1
hindi ho.
22:01.8
Dapat ang argumento mo doon,
22:03.7
pagkatapos niyan,
22:05.7
mali ka.
22:06.3
Spaghetti yun.
22:07.1
Hindi.
22:08.0
Joke lang.
22:08.8
Dapat ang argumento mo dyan,
22:10.4
hindi ho.
22:11.2
Nasa protected area yun.
22:16.5
They want to study
22:18.4
and invest in the future.
22:18.6
They want to study and invest in the future.
22:18.6
They want to study and invest in the future.
22:19.1
They want to investigate what happened
22:20.5
because of your contention.
22:22.6
Can you give us yung study nyo
22:25.4
para a copy?
22:27.2
Yan o.
22:27.7
Kasi, syempre,
22:28.6
sabi nga nila sa iba eh.
22:30.1
Pat, itong sarafit,
22:31.3
saan mo nakuha yan?
22:34.1
Invento tayo ba yan?
22:38.6
Tingnan mo,
22:39.7
binago niya agad.
22:41.1
Inabando niya na agad
22:42.2
yung sinabi niya
22:43.2
na nagpatayo kayo
22:44.6
ng structures.
22:46.9
Naalala niyo,
22:47.7
mga kabatas natin,
22:48.6
yung ginawa niya rin.
22:50.8
Yung ginawa niya rin
22:52.5
doon sa NIA,
22:54.1
National Irrigation Administration.
22:56.7
Nung sinabi niya
22:58.4
na hindi sila
23:00.8
nagpatayo
23:01.5
nung irrigasyon.
23:05.8
Tapos, nagpadala siya
23:07.1
ng reporters niya
23:09.2
doon sa lugar na nag-interview
23:11.2
ng mga Darth Vader.
23:14.2
Tapos,
23:14.6
pinapakita nila yung kanal
23:16.2
na yun daw,
23:17.8
yung ginawang
23:18.6
irrigasyon.
23:20.1
Tapos,
23:20.5
nagpakita yung NIA
23:21.8
na ito,
23:23.0
phase one.
23:24.9
Ito,
23:25.7
phase two.
23:27.3
May structure talaga
23:28.4
na pinatayo na irrigasyon.
23:30.5
Mali
23:30.9
yung impormasyon
23:33.5
na pinakain sa kanya
23:35.6
nung kanyang researcher
23:36.9
na pinadala.
23:38.3
Tapos,
23:38.7
ang evidence niya,
23:41.6
kwento ng mga tao.
23:44.2
Yung pictures niya,
23:46.5
picture ng kanal.
23:48.6
Ganito na naman
23:50.3
ang ginagawa niya.
23:54.9
Hindi niya nga matayuan
23:56.3
yung sinasabi niya
23:57.7
na nagpatayo sila ng structure doon.
24:00.7
Mismo sa protected area.
24:04.7
...of the study
24:06.4
so they can investigate
24:07.9
kung there was a
24:10.0
violation of the law.
24:13.3
Yun nga eh.
24:14.5
Kasi nga, saan galing yan?
24:16.0
Si Rappi.
24:17.5
Yung windmills,
24:18.6
sa labas.
24:22.6
So they're being generous
24:24.6
to si Rappi here.
24:28.6
Bigay mo sa amin yan.
24:30.6
Yung claim mo
24:32.6
na nagpatayo sila ng windmill
24:34.6
at may structure na ng windmill
24:36.6
doon sa protected area mismo.
24:42.6
The area kasi is
24:44.6
strictly protected.
24:46.6
So, Mr. President,
24:48.6
kaya nga, pero that's outside
24:50.6
the strict protected zone.
24:52.1
Sinabi nga na sa iyo eh.
24:56.1
O, tignan niyo.
24:57.6
Nagsasecond,
24:58.6
nagsasecond guess na
25:00.6
itong si Sir Rappi niyo.
25:06.6
President, Madam Sponsor,
25:08.6
and having said that,
25:12.6
Nag-iisip, nag-iisip.
25:13.6
DNR should know better
25:15.6
if it's a strictly protected zone,
25:18.6
hindi dapat na-
25:19.6
They know better, of course.
25:21.6
They know better than you.
25:22.6
Ito yung papaliwanag ko sa inyo,
25:24.1
mga kabatas natin.
25:25.1
Alam niyo kung bakit ang gumagawa ng IRRs
25:27.6
ay yung mga administrative agencies.
25:30.1
Because they are the experts.
25:35.1
Kunwari, naglabas ng labor law.
25:37.1
Sino ang gagawa
25:39.1
nung IRR nung labor law na yon?
25:41.1
Yung DOLE.
25:44.1
Department of Labor and Employment.
25:46.1
Bakit?
25:46.6
Because they are the experts.
25:48.6
Tapos ikaw yung magsasabi na
25:50.6
DNR should know better?
25:51.6
Of course, they know better than you.
25:54.6
What the heck?
25:56.6
Hindi mo nga matayuan yung claim mo.
26:00.1
Tignan niyo, magbabago na siya.
26:01.6
Nila panghimasukan yan.
26:04.6
Hindi nga nila pinagpahimasukan.
26:06.6
Kaya nga kailangan,
26:08.6
kailangan ipakita mo yung
26:09.6
ebidensya mo sa kanila.
26:11.6
Ngayon, ayaw mo man lang ipakita yung ebidensya mo
26:13.6
at patunayan sa kanila na nagpatayo nga sila ng windmill
26:16.6
doon sa protected area.
26:17.6
Kasi nga sa Pililya yan, sabi nila.
26:21.6
At napunta na ako sa Pililya,
26:23.6
meron ngang
26:25.6
windmills doon.
26:28.6
Hindi dapat nila inisip
26:30.6
kahit ba renewable energy na mangimasok.
26:33.6
I don't have any problem with
26:35.6
renewable energy na
26:39.6
Wala na, wala na.
26:40.6
Wala na sa issue.
26:47.6
Ibigay mo nga yan para maimbestigahan nila.
26:50.6
Kasi nga kung nagpatayo nga sila ng windmill
26:53.6
doon sa protected area, bawal.
26:55.6
Para mag-proliferate sa bansa natin
26:59.6
because me being the chairman
27:01.6
of the committee on energy,
27:03.6
palagpo ako sa renewable energy.
27:05.6
Pero dapat ilagay natin sa
27:07.6
lugar.
27:09.6
Huwag po doon sa mga protected area.
27:11.6
Wala nga doon sabi nila kasi protected area yun.
27:13.6
That's outside the protected area.
27:15.6
Paulit-ulit tayo nito.
27:18.6
Especially po na meron pong mga
27:20.6
ancestral domain issue na dahil
27:22.6
may misplaced po yung mga IPs natin
27:25.6
na walang mga boses at walang mga kalaban-laban
27:28.6
pinagsisipalang, pinapalayas doon sa kanilang
27:31.6
ancestral domain.
27:34.6
Saan galing na naman yun?
27:37.6
Tignan nyo ha.
27:40.6
Misplaced po yung mga IPs natin.
27:42.6
Yung mga ancestral domain.
27:43.6
Huwag po doon sa mga protected area.
27:45.6
Especially po na meron pong mga
27:48.6
ancestral domain issue na dahil may misplaced po.
27:51.6
Alam nyo ba pag protected area bawal pati
27:56.6
indigenous peoples?
27:59.6
Regulated pa rin yan.
28:06.6
Kapag protected area.
28:08.6
Bihihira lang ang tao doon kung meron
28:10.6
sobrang indigenous na.
28:15.6
Yung mga tipong no read, no write talaga.
28:22.6
Kapag protected area, bawal talaga sa tao yun.
28:28.6
Yung mga IPs natin na walang mga boses at walang...
28:32.6
Kasi mga kapatid natin,
28:34.6
dito na naman saan?
28:35.6
Tignan nyo ha. Ito na naman ang claim niya ngayon.
28:37.6
IPs daw na pinapalayas.
28:40.6
Mamaya, mababago na naman yung kanyang mga sinasabi tungkol sa IPs.
28:43.6
Tignan nyo.
28:44.6
Dahil may misplaced po yung mga IPs natin
28:47.6
na walang mga boses at walang mga kalaban-laban,
28:49.6
pinagsisipa lang, pinapalayas doon sa kanilang ancestral domain.
28:54.6
So, anong ebidensya mo dyan na pinapalayas sila sa kanilang ancestral domain?
28:59.6
Na sinisipa sila at pinapalayas doon?
29:03.6
Dahil sa ngalan ng developer...
29:05.6
Kokontrahin niya rin niya mamaya eh.
29:07.6
...aka Salapi.
29:10.6
So, yun ang sinasabi niya, Salapi.
29:12.6
Pera na naman daw.
29:13.6
O, let's go.
29:16.6
The point of view of the DNR is in every protected area,
29:26.6
there is a place for a strict implementation of the law.
29:32.6
They call it the strict protection zone.
29:36.6
Tapos there are also areas in the protected area,
29:42.6
yung tawag nila multi-purpose, multi-use zone.
29:45.6
Yes.
29:46.6
So, hindi naman nila pinayagan doon sa strict protection zone.
29:51.6
Doon lang sa multi-use zone.
29:54.6
Exactly.
29:55.6
Yan mga kabatas natin.
29:57.6
So, pinaliwanag na sa kanya.
30:00.6
Meron yan.
30:01.6
Exactly daw.
30:03.6
Mga kabatas natin, yung issue na yun,
30:06.6
yung issue na yun,
30:08.6
if you look at it closely,
30:10.6
is there something wrong?
30:11.6
None, right?
30:13.6
Pero tignan yung gagawin ni Rafi Tulfo.
30:15.6
Ayun, kung may other complaints na pinaalis yung mga tao,
30:19.6
ganun-ganun,
30:20.6
then let's have the complaint and we will investigate.
30:23.6
Exactly.
30:24.6
Yan nga yun, sinasabi ko.
30:27.6
Kasi claims lang yung ginagawa niya eh.
30:31.6
Unverified claims pa.
30:33.6
Kasi parang invento niya lang eh.
30:36.6
Exactly.
30:38.6
This is, you're talking to the DNR.
30:40.6
Rafi Tulfo.
30:42.6
They are the experts there.
30:47.6
Anong pumasok sa kukote mo
30:49.6
na maiisip mo na mas magaling ka sa kanila?
30:57.6
How, how, how?
30:59.6
If you are in your right mind,
31:01.6
you didn't even finish college.
31:05.6
I'm sorry ha.
31:06.6
Kailangan kong ilabas yun.
31:08.6
Alam niyo kung bakit.
31:09.6
We are talking about expertise here.
31:16.6
That's very relevant.
31:20.6
You are talking to the experts.
31:23.6
They are in front of you.
31:28.6
Mas magaling ka sa kanila?
31:35.6
That's why I explained the IRR.
31:39.6
Kapag may mga batas tungkol,
31:41.6
tungkol sa environment,
31:43.6
ang gumagawa ng IRR ay itong DNR.
31:50.6
Because they are the experts.
31:54.6
Now e-exactlyhin mo sila.
31:56.6
Parang grade 5,
32:11.6
nag-uusap kayo tungkol sa algebra,
32:14.6
tapos college student yung kalaban niya.
32:18.6
Sino sa tingin mang mas magaling?
32:20.6
Yung grade 5 o yung college student?
32:23.6
Hindi yung grade 5.
32:24.6
Hindi niya nga alam yung algebra.
32:25.6
Hindi niya nga alam yung algebra.
32:29.6
Yung college student may trigo na.
32:39.6
So weird.
32:44.6
Bakit ganun?
32:45.6
Kaya ba,
32:49.6
hindi naman can't France.
32:53.6
explain.
32:58.6
May parang,
33:00.6
ano mo yan?
33:01.6
M Sataptale.
33:02.6
So like si Raffi Munio ba?
33:04.6
Kapatid ni Freddie?
33:06.6
Freddie Munio o Freddie Libayan?
33:10.6
I see what you did there.
33:12.6
na yung natutulog na mahimbing,
33:14.2
siya yung lagi yung panalo.
33:15.2
Paalam po, pansamantala.