I NEED TO SEE RAFFY TULFO vs. CYNTHIA VILLAR
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All right, yan. Magandang araw mga kabatas natin at welcome sa isa namang live stream.
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Mga kabatas natin, recap lang dun sa nangyari sa kabila.
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Itong si Rafi Tulfo, meron siyang claim.
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Sinasabi niya na doon sa protected area, mga kabatas natin,
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e merong nagtayo ng windmills.
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May structure na daw.
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So, sinabi ng DNR, yung mga structure na nakita nyo, sa ibang lugar yan.
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Ngayon, sinabi niya, kapag meron structure nga doon,
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kasi nga ang binigay lang na na-permit sa kanila ay mag-conduct ng study
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at hindi mag-build ng windmills.
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Sinasabi ni Rafi Tulfo, may nag-build na daw ng windmills.
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So, ngayon, hiningi nila.
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Patingin nga yung mga investigation mo, yung data mo,
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yung pagkakaalam mo na yan, kung saan mo man nalaman para imbestigahan namin.
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Ngayon, mga kabatas natin, itong si Rafi Tulfo, linabas na yung section 26.
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Ngayon, mga kabatas natin, protected areas ang pinag-uusapan nila.
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At sinabi, merong strictly protected area, tapos merong multi-use.
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Pinaliwanag sa kanya yun.
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Ngayon, mga kabatas natin, I don't even have to explain.
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You know why? These people are the experts.
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Ngayon, tingnan natin kung bakit mas expert si Rafi Tulfo.
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At tingnan nyo kung paano paiba-iba na yung kanyang kwento.
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Ngayon, kung may other complaints na pinaalis yung mga tao, ganun-ganun.
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Isa pa pala yan, mga kabatas natin.
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Kino-complain niya daw na pinaalis yung mga tao.
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Sinipa daw yung mga indigenous peoples doon.
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Dahil daw sa pagpapatayo nila ng mga windmills.
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And then, let's have the complaint and we will investigate.
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Thank you very much for that answer, Madam Sponsor.
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That's exactly what I want you to say.
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That's exactly what I want you to say.
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Nakita nyo kung paano niya na naman ipalabas na tama siya
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at kinontrol niya yung usapan nila when in the first place,
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ang unang claim niya, windmill.
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Na may structure sa windmill.
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Ngayon, may claim siya na may principle.
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May pinatalsik o sinipa
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ng mga indigenous peoples.
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Wala naman siyang pinapakita na ebidensya.
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Huwag ganyan, araw-ay-dross.
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Attorney-Mayor Conspiracy Service,
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tsuri ako lalabas na yung disciplinary decision sa Senate League.
02:52.0
Kaya, merong nag-upload,
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merong nag-upload,
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merong nag-upload,
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I don't know which war against the Senate.
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Lahat na lang kinokontra.
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Eh, pang dagdag sa piyansa ni Rikul.
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Yan, Rikul, pang dagdag daw sa piyansa mo.
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Sabi ni Teacher Mark,
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Am I creating monsters ba kung grade 4 pa lang tinuturoan ko na
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ng basic algebra?
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Well, kung naiintindihan naman nila, di okay lang.
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Pero syempre, pag titignan mo naman,
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usapang algebra, basic pa rin yung alam nila.
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if they go toe-to-toe against a college student,
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panalo pa rin yung college student.
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it's still knowledge that we are talking about.
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Yun daw yung gusto niyang sabihin niya.
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Samantalang nung umpisa,
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ngayon yung pinatalsik na,
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walang resolution.
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ang nangyari kasi,
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nagkaroon po ng multi-use zone
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klinasify po ng DNR
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Tignan niya, magbabago na siya.
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Magbabago na siya.
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Nagkaroon daw ng multi-use zone.
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Illegal ba yung pagkakaroon ng multi-use zone?
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Kasi nga, yung DNR mismo ang nagsabi.
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Pwede ang multi-use zone.
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Section 25 of the E-NIPAS law as amended
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2018 from Republic Act 7586.
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of the E-NIPAS Act of 1992.
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yan po, hindi ko na pwede
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contest yung dalbatas po yan.
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Then what are you freaking doing?
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Then what are you doing?
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I will not contest.
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ay payagan na mag-classify
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ng multi-use sa isa.
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Nakita niyo kung anong nangyari dito?
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Nagsimula sa structure.
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Tapos, napunta doon sa mga sinisipa.
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Ngayon itong PAMBI.
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Isang strictly protected area.
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ito na po yung iminensyon niyo kanina,
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Members of the PAMBI Board,
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which consists of
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DNR Regional Director,
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Senator of the Republic of the Philippines
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who is dual registered resident of the province,
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District Representative of the Congressional District,
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Chairperson of Barangay,
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Regional Directors,
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D.N.D., D.N.D., D.N.D., D.N.D., D.N.D.
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Representative from NGO or PO.
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One, but not more than three.
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Representative from IPs,
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Indigenous Cultural Communities.
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Three representatives.
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And then one representative from the academic institution.
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one representative from the private sector.
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Now, gusto ko pong malaman
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kung nasunod po ba ito
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na itong lahat ng nakasulat dito
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ng Republic Act 11-038
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kung nasunod po ito
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nung pagbigay po ng multi-use
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Alam niyo mga kapatid natin,
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binabanggit din natin lagi ito.
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Yung regularity in the...
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presumption in the regularity of performance
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of public officers.
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So, kung ikaw, Rafi Tulfo,
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sinasabi mo na may irregularity,
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dapat ikaw ang maglabas ng evidence
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siya na may irregularity.
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Kasi ang presumption
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ay regular yung nangyari.
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Ang tignan natin siya.
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Protected Interest of Meralco.
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Itong 11 members...
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Nandyan daw po lahat yan
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nung magbigay ng permit.
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Well, can I see the...
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Nandyan daw lahat yan
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kung nagbigay ng permit.
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Kung sino itong 11 na ito
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to ito yung ating environment
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Magpapahid siya na naman.
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ganyan siya magaling eh.
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Magpapahid siya ng irregularidad
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na wala namang irregularidad
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Mag-aakusa lang siya.
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Pero meron niyang
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presumption ng regularity.
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you're supposed to be
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who will provide the evidence
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that something irregular happened.
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Bakit ang presumption sa'yo,
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O iproprovide na sa'yo?
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Iproprovide na sa kanya.
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ang sasabihin niya?
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Yun nga mga local,
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I need the list of those people
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Na i-exploit natin
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itong tinatawag nating
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masungi conservation area
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na which is declared as
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a strictly protected area.
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So itong 11 members
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Kasi nga multi-use na.
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Hanggang dyan ka na lang,
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tong attorney na to
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Kala mo talaga may alam.
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Ayan, okay ka na.
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Environmental scientist
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Kung walang alam yun sa'yo,
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ano nangyayari sa kanya?
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members of the board
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Ganyan na lang eh.
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gusto mo ng list na yun,
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may irregularidad na nangyari?
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Because you did not point
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any irregularity.
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You just need the list
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Nagka-grandstand ka dyan
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You're just talking nonsense.
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Humihingi ka lang
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Ibibigay yung listahan sa'yo.
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Paano ka naging bida?
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Their signatures.
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Very important to me is
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Meron po bang pumirma
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They will submit to you
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those who signed.
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O, isasabit nga sa'yo.
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Ay, sasabit nga sa'yo.
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ni Alfredo Palita na ito.
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May kilala ka bang
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Yun ang tanong ko sa'yo.
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pero nagdudunong-dunungan ka.
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Kahit na hindi pumirman lahat,
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kung majority pumirma,
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Pero ang selection.
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Yung process ninyo,
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Ay, yung pina-follow.
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paano po sinelect you?
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Di ba sinabi na rin sa'yo?
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From the experts?
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Baka hindi naman po.
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Siya mismo nagsabi.
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From the experts.
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Pero mas magaling ka sa expert.
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So, anong tawag sa'yo?
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BS in everything.
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tungkol sa protected areas,
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tsaka sa strictly protected areas.
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Tapos mag-a-I know ka sa kanila.
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BS in everything.
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Anong tawag sa kanya?
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How dare you call them an expert?
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Tapos you challenge them with what they know
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and you are not an expert.
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Pumirma yung IPIS.
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naano din yan eh.
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Nai-influence din yan eh.
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Tell it to the Marines.
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Tell it to the Marines na,
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Eh, ewan ko ba dito?
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You are also being influenced
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by the people around you, Rafi Tufo.
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Kaya nga nagkanda leche-leche
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yung mga strategy mo dito sa social media eh.
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Sinong tawang hindi na-influence?
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Bakit may mga advertisements tayo nakikita all over?
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are being influenced.
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ang mga indigenous people,
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Bakit yung nag-a-advertise ng Robust?
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Because you want to influence people.
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You want to influence people to buy Robust.
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Because you want to influence people to buy Robust.
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Because you want to influence people to buy Robust.
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Tell it to the Marines.
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Tell it to the Marines.
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kawalan naman po yung mga IPs.
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legislated protected area,
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Yung mga barangay na i-influence eh.
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Kawawan naman po yung mga IPs.
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Kulang po sa pinag-aralan.
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Kulang po sa kaalaman.
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is it a good influence
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or a bad influence?
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na-influence yan lahat ng tao.
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Because we're saying na
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madali silang ma-influence siya.
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we try to help them
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to make sure that
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they will not be easily influenced.
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Verbal diarrhea na naman ito.
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In the first place,
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ano bang influence
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yung pinag-uusapan?
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Ano bang influence yung pinag-uusapan?
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Gagawin po nila kung anong tama
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para sa kanilang proteksyon.
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kung hindi nila ginawa yung tama
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sa kanilang proteksyon,
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magpakita ka kasi
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wala ka namang ebidensya pa.
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Kumukuha ka pa nga lang
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Kumukuha ka pa lang
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ang nangyayari dito,
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you're accusing the DNR already
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kasi you talk about influence,
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Pero wala ka naman nasabi.
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Wala ka pa nga ebidensya
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kasi nga kukunin mo nga
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kung titignan mo pa lang
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Then why is the default
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binanggit mo kanina.
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Fishing expedition.
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Hindi siya maniwala
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Hindi siya maniwala
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Wala naman siyang ebidensya.
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hindi mga mga IPs
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may mga graduate sa college.
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Hindi lang graduate sa college.
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Marami akong kaibigan.
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Sabi ko nga sa inyo.
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Kung nasabihin sa akin,
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ako alam kong pwede yun.
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Kaya isigay din na lang
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kung sino yung bumi
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Ayaw niyang maniwala eh.
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Presumption of irregularity,
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John King Suleiman.
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Matulungin pala si Rafi Tulfo.
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Okay, I'll help you.
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We need that help.
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Okay, let's go, Rafi Tulfo.
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Actually, you're helping yourself here.
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You're helping yourself here.
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Napapahiya ka na ng sobra.
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nakangiti na sila dun sa likod.
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Tignan mo si Madam Jan, oh.
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Yeah, you're very welcome.
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daw if I help you?
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Okay, okay, okay.
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Ang mag-help pa yung
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Yung BS in everything.
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ang isa o dalawa o tatlong IPs
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na sumama po sa PAMBI
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sa selection process.
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Indigenous Political Structure
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It consists of tribal leaders
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that have exclusive right
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mga kabatas natin, no?
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I'll tell you this.
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constant communications
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especially in Baguio
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certain tribal leaders.
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talking with the local governments.
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Siyempre, tungkol sa batas din.
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A huge part of it
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kaibigan ko sila.
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they don't have me on retainer.
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Hindi ako nagpapabayad.
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Kapag meron silang kailangan,
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nagme-message lang sila sa akin,
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pumupunta kami doon,
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pumupunta kami sa lugar nila,
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nakakapag-meet kami doon
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sa mga tribal leaders nila
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kung ano yung mga
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Ano yung mga issues nila.
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Ngayon, mga kabatas natin,
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if you are exposed
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to that kind of environment,
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itong mga sinasabi ni Rafi Tulfo na ito,
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it's just normal.
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Because that's how really they do it.
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normally follows.
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ganyan na yung nangyayari sa kanila noon pa,
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Tignan nyo yung sinabi ni Rafi Tulfo dito.
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is what is customary already.
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Customary na yan.
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goes through that route.
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Sinulat na lang yan.
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if there are people
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who are representatives there,
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na dumaan sila sa ganyan.
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of indigenous peoples.
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It consists of tribal leaders
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that have exclusive right
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na para magpadala po
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ng representative nila
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kung hindi sila mismo
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pang sumama doon sa PAMBI.
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That's how they normally do it.
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That's very normal to them.
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They have high regards to the elders.
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Customary na yan.
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Sinulat lang yan.
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Dapat dumadaan po sa tinatawag na FPIC.
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Free and prior informed consent.
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and were not influenced
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just like what the good sponsor said
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na madaling na-influence.
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Kaya nga po mapasok itong proseso
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to make sure na hindi po sila na-influence
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hindi po sila na-coerce.
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Yung FPIC na yun,
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pinag-usapan natin yan
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nung panahon ni Wang Od.
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Yung issue ni Wang Od
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Free prior and informed consent.
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why don't you show evidence?
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presumption of regularity.
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evidence to one and two
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dapat may certification precondition
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documents from NCIP
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pirmado na nagkaroon
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ng tamang proseso
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at pumayagang IPs community.
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In the absence of these three,
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din invalid po yung pag-recruit nyo ng IPs
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para maging member ng
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hindi naman sinabing absent yung tatlo.
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Hindi naman sinabing absent yun.
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Hindi naman sinabing absent yun.
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Wala naman siyang pinakita
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ng ebidensya na absent yun.
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Parang sinabi niya lang
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na dapat meron nito.
24:02.2
Eh di ba sinabi nila na meron nga?
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narinig nyo yung sinabi
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ni Cynthia Villar
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preconditioned na yung utak kasi ni Rafi Tulfo
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na kaya pinayagan
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kasi nga daw may hindi magandang
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pero wala naman siyang ebidensya
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at mga kabatas natin
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hindi rin siya kasali
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doon sa mga kumuha ng consent
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hindi rin siya kasali
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doon sa mga tao na nagpirmahan
24:56.0
hindi rin siya kasali
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doon sa indigenous peoples na yun
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okay, ano yung pinayagan natin?
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kaya ano yung pinayagan natin?
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di meron sa mga kabitsin mo
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hindi marinig yung ibang sinabi niya
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sinabi niya kasi influence
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preconditioned na yung
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preconditioned na yung
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kaya ano yung pinayagan natin?
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sinabi niya kasi influence
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Kaya nyo pinayagan
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pero yun ang sinasabi niya
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na parang yun nga
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may influensya na hindi maganda
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o kaya dahil sa pera
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katulad ng sinabi niya kanina
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kaya pinayagan na
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magkaroon ng conversion
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nung parts ng protected area
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Ipakita mo na lang
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para mag-configure siya
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kasi pinayagan nyo
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yung pre-conditioned notion na siya
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pre-conditioned notion
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Tama yung sinabi ni Big Daddy TV dito
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sarado na utak ni Idol
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wala pa siyang ebidensya niyan ha
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Makikita niya pa lang yung papeles
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di na tumatanggap ng ibang
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Wala pa siyang ebidensya
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Ipapakita pa lang sa kanya yung papeles
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meron na daw illegal na nangyari
27:05.1
Sa line of work ko sa cons
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Based from my experience
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priority ang IPs sa budget
27:12.6
na satisfied sila
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na sila sa benefits
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before we start the project
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Hindi ko talaga magets
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kung saan sila exploited
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Pre-conditioned nga eh
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We will just submit
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all the papers available
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about the action of the PAMBI
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We just want to reassure you
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that it is not yet
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a permit to operate the windmill
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It's just a study
27:51.3
the potential of the wind farm
27:56.5
Thank you Madam President
27:57.3
Thank you good sponsor
27:58.5
I will submit it to you
28:15.6
Guilty until proven innocent
28:26.5
para hindi makulong
28:27.9
Hindi open-minded si Idol
28:31.3
At least meron siyang
28:44.4
there is presumption
28:46.5
Pero ang kondisyon
28:49.2
May irregular kayong ginawa
28:52.3
Akin na yung mga papeles
28:56.3
hindi mo pa nakita yung papeles
28:57.8
Wala kang ebidensya
28:59.3
Wala kang kahit ano
29:01.1
irregular na agad
29:09.9
Hindi niya nga nakita
29:10.9
kung sino yung mga pumirma
29:12.1
Wala siyang nakausap
29:13.6
kung sino yung mga pumirma
29:14.9
The pre-condition
29:22.0
I definitely agree with you
29:31.7
Gusto niya lang makita
29:34.1
nag-assume na siya
29:40.2
Certification of precondition
29:43.7
signed by the NCIP
29:45.5
Kahit na testing pa yan
29:47.6
kasi ang nakalagay sa batas
29:51.5
doon sa mga lugar
29:52.9
na mayroong issue
29:54.2
sa ancestral domain
29:56.6
sa tatlong sinasabi kong steps
30:00.9
yung mga nakapirmang IPs
30:08.2
May ipakita niya lang
30:10.6
na supreme siya no
30:12.4
Supreme siya overall
30:23.8
tumawag ako sa NCIP
30:26.4
pinipirmahan na CP
30:36.7
conservation area
30:40.8
sasagutin na naman siya dito
30:42.2
sasagutin siya na naman dito
30:44.0
experts yung mga sasagot
30:46.1
mas magaling pa siya
30:48.1
if you cannot show me CP
30:49.6
again I will defer
30:50.9
the budget of the DNR
30:52.1
in favor of the IPs
30:56.2
the budget of the DNR
31:05.2
If the sponsor has a query
31:10.4
we suspend session first
31:16.4
I move to suspend the consideration
31:18.4
of budget of the department
31:21.5
interpolation of our center to LVO
31:26.2
recognize the next
31:30.6
Senator Riza Ontiveros
31:33.0
I move that she be recognized
31:34.1
Thank you Mr. President
31:37.3
While the documents
31:39.2
are being printed
31:40.3
for the request of Senator Tulfo
31:42.9
we will hear the interpolation of
31:44.9
Senator Riza Ontiveros
31:51.3
to finish his interpolation
31:53.5
pending the submission
31:55.3
of the office of the Senate
31:55.8
of the House of Representatives
31:56.1
of the House of Representatives
31:56.2
of the House of Representatives
31:56.7
of the House of Representatives
31:57.2
of the House of Representatives
32:00.9
still has the floor
32:02.0
Let me just clarify
32:06.3
Why is it not moving?
32:10.7
Unless Senator Tulfo
32:15.2
Here are our documents
32:19.2
We will continue tomorrow
32:20.4
He is not willing
32:30.0
Then he's going to
32:53.5
What did you say?
32:53.8
You may have to do it
32:56.0
Puro panlalait na lang.
33:01.4
manglait ka pa ng mga ganyan, ha?
33:04.5
Manglait ka pa ng ganyan,
33:09.9
Goodbye, Alfredo Palita.
33:14.0
sunod-sunod na ganyan yung mga lait mo.
33:24.1
Maraming salamat, mga kabatas natin.
33:30.5
Sabi ni Rico, noted.
33:34.7
Maraming kaming ipapalit sa'yo,
33:41.2
Maraming kaming ipapalit sa'yo.
33:43.0
Maraming kaming basher dito.
33:47.1
Mas maayos pa nga yung iba kesa sa'yo.
33:49.7
Maraming salamat, mga kabatas natin.
33:51.3
At syempre, tulungan lang yung sinasabi,
33:52.6
matulog po tayo ng mahimbing.
33:54.0
Dahil alam natin na
33:54.9
ay natutulog ng mahimbing.
33:56.0
Siya yung laging panalo.
33:58.1
Paalam po, pansamantala.
