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00:00.0
Si favorite guest ni Cristian...
00:02.7
Hey Ryan, I'm just kidding.
00:05.4
Favorite guest ng lahat ay si Secretary Ronald Llamas.
00:09.4
Kamusta kayo, Secretary?
00:13.5
Waiting for your invitation.
00:15.5
Buti naman, inimbitahan mo ako.
00:18.7
Meron na kayong Cristiano Ronaldo eh, Cristian.
00:23.2
Meron na akong bago, twice a week.
00:25.7
Kay Juan, kay Alvin El Chico, at saka kay Donny Spigor niya.
00:30.8
Kaso, ahaga, 6.30.
00:33.9
I don't wake up that much, pero siyempre...
00:35.9
Ay nako, Ronald, magpasalamat ka sa amin ni Cristiano at saka ni Ricardo, ha?
00:41.3
Dahil sa amin dalawa, nakilala ka talaga ng gusto ng mga tao.
00:44.6
Siyempre, kilala ka nila before pa, pero this time, alam nila, magaling talaga ito si Ronald.
00:49.4
Pinahirapan mo nyo nga ako eh.
00:51.8
6.30, who wakes up at 6 a.m.?
00:54.5
Lalo na ako, insomniac ako.
00:56.6
Kaya, minsan, sisingilin ko kayo eh.
01:01.2
Tinulak nyo ako sa bangin, tapos wala namang bayad.
01:03.9
Basta, ako ang sisingil sa'yo, kasi ako yung talent manager mo ngayon.
01:09.3
Pinansikat ka namin ni Cristian lalo, diba?
01:11.8
Kaso, puro pro bolo.
01:14.5
Aba, hindi pa na, upos yung drinks na pinigay ko sa'yo.
01:18.7
Ano ba yan? Naka one session pa yan.
01:21.4
Hindi, hindi katulad ni Cristian at ni Michael.
01:27.0
Sabi ko, ba, ba, kumikita yata ito mga ito, may mga TV ads ah.
01:30.7
Ako, binaba ko ngayon ads ko para di ka na magsalita.
01:34.9
Hindi, napansin mo, pag mga ka-RNR, pag mga topic na humanitarian, wala akong ads.
01:42.0
Like Gaza, the Lima.
01:43.9
So, as a matter of principle, this is not to pass the judgment of others, but it's clearly for a humanitarian.
01:49.4
Hindi nilalagay ko lang ads yung mga iba na pinaghirapan natin, pero yung iba, hindi ko nilalagay.
01:54.5
If the topic is, you know, malapit sa puso, dapat no ads yan, no monetization whatsoever.
01:59.5
So, yun yung public service natin, yan.
02:01.9
Sabi ko, progressive ka pa rin.
02:03.5
Oo naman, Ronald.
02:05.5
Kahit mainstream ka na, you're still a swinging progressive.
02:09.9
Oo naman, Ronald.
02:12.0
Kasi swinging lang eh.
02:13.0
Ako, swinging lang.
02:13.9
Ikaw, you're a swinging progressive.
02:15.7
Pero karamihan nagtatalong yung ating threesome ni Leloy eh.
02:23.7
Meron tayong technical...
02:24.9
Kasi sa Baguio, ang bagal yung internet ko eh.
02:27.2
Parang ako naayos mo yun.
02:30.0
Mas masama pa nangyari.
02:31.5
Yung kay Sunny Africa, in-interview ko siya ng two days after us.
02:36.2
Inang beses inulit-ulit-ulit namin.
02:38.4
Parang sinasabot...
02:39.2
Kasi ang topic namin, oligarchs, conglomerates, industrialists.
02:42.6
Sabi ko, parang sinasabotage tayo.
02:44.5
Eh, yung dalawang option mo sa internet, parehong, alam mo na, di ba?
02:50.4
Naginag-text sa akin.
02:51.6
Okay yung kanyo, ha?
02:58.0
Pero, Ronald, yung ginagawa natin...
03:00.7
Hindi, siguro yung putol, yung live version ng YouTube.
03:04.5
Pero sa Facebook, okay naman eh.
03:07.4
So, the audio should be perfect.
03:10.5
Wala kasi akong Facebook eh.
03:12.9
I'll forward to you yung Facebook.
03:14.6
Dami lang tatanong.
03:16.1
Hindi masasayang.
03:17.7
Bro, walang masasayang.
03:19.2
Kasi the audio yan.
03:20.4
My life tie on the side is because the audio will be there.
03:23.4
Just in case things go wrong.
03:24.5
Kaya even yung kay Sunny na sobrang sabog yung internet.
03:28.2
I don't know why bigla.
03:29.7
Nakuha ko na lahat ng audio.
03:31.0
So, at least we have the proper audio.
03:34.5
Let's set up another one with si Parang RRL.
03:38.5
And then I was also talking to Cristiano Ronaldo.
03:40.6
Para isama nyo sa akin.
03:43.5
Si Cristian yata gusto niya.
03:45.1
Ano yung production level.
03:46.3
Sabi niya, I'll be...
03:47.9
Sabi ko, relax lang.
03:49.1
Zoom lang muna tayo.
03:51.7
Huwag tayo mag-advance.
03:55.4
Pag nangyayari yun.
03:57.6
The podcast of the decade.
04:00.4
That's the ultimate call-up talaga.
04:02.4
Dalawang mainstream podcaster.
04:04.9
Tsaka isang asshole.
04:07.2
Basta hindi ako yung isa.
04:09.6
Maala kayong magpumili sinong sa inyo.
04:13.5
Ronald, kamusta yung ano ni Cristian?
04:15.8
Meron kayong picture-picture pa na glamour shot sa...
04:20.2
Chat-chat lang kayo dyan sa ano?
04:22.2
Sa UP Sangkan Garden.
04:24.2
Sa UP pa naman kayo.
04:25.6
Territory ko yan.
04:26.4
Naram-harapan nyo.
04:27.9
What are you doing?
04:28.8
Pag-sasakala ka si Fede.
04:29.8
Pag-sasakala ka sa mga Zoom-Zoom.
04:32.4
You do not invite me.
04:34.4
Ganda lang pala mo.
04:36.4
You do not invite me.
04:38.2
Hindi naman kami pwede mag-Armani.
04:40.0
So, doon na lang kami sa fishbowl.
04:42.0
Kung kakain kami ng fishbowl,
04:43.5
have fun at kanyang tuha.
04:44.5
Let's be very clear.
04:45.7
Pero ano pa niya,
04:46.4
ang topic niya ron,
04:48.0
Ang topic niya ron,
04:51.8
Paano daw ako naging me?
04:55.2
Inaula ka na ron,
04:56.2
Ginawa mo yan dati.
04:58.2
Tony Gonzaga level pala yung ginawa niya.
05:03.9
for all my Armani suits and all,
05:06.4
wala pa akong production team.
05:10.6
mga isang camera lang.
05:12.7
napaka low cost pa rin.
05:16.9
parang nakaset up pa eh
05:18.2
nung interview niya yung mayor namin.
05:20.1
May earned camera here,
05:21.4
may earned camera there,
05:26.3
Kaya naman kumawa ka talaga ng gano'n
05:29.4
Ay, naman, Ronald.
05:30.4
Using technicals,
05:31.7
Ayusing yung pano.
05:33.0
O, yun na kailangan ko invest eh.
05:35.9
nagkakaproblema yung aking wifi
05:39.9
kailangan natin mag-invest sa natin
05:43.3
vlogger logistics natin.
05:46.8
May merchandise pa nga siya,
05:48.4
Facts first and all.
05:49.3
Gagawa rin ako ng version ko,
05:50.8
yung purple version.
05:52.3
Maganda pa ako ng graphic designer.
05:54.0
Binigyan din ako ni Michael Pahatin,
05:55.8
Ang Politiscope t-shirt.
05:58.2
Ay, nako, Ronald,
05:59.1
nakaparinig ka na naman.
06:00.4
Diyas ko si Doris Bigorne, eh.
06:02.9
baka tatlo lang ako nito, ha?
06:05.3
ilan ba dapat, ba?
06:06.7
Pag-ubigan niyo ako ng t-shirt.
06:13.8
Diba yung isang agenda na
06:16.8
palik tayo sa TV5
06:18.7
gawa tayo sa sarili natin.
06:20.1
Mayroon, nandun ka, eh.
06:21.4
Pero gawa tayo sa sarili natin,
06:22.9
yung parang wagpo.
06:23.7
Pero meron kayo sa gabi,
06:26.7
Meron kayo yung...
06:32.9
Merong ginamabago si
06:34.0
Patrick at si Edwin,
06:37.5
The story is behind
06:39.7
Eh, 4pm yan, diba?
06:40.9
Na-interview nila ako
06:42.6
Nag-guess ako dun twice, no?
06:44.8
Gusto nila maging regular ako.
06:47.3
nag-a-adjust pa sila, eh.
06:50.6
parang magkaroon din tayong version.
06:52.3
dami nagko-comment
06:53.2
pag nagpo-post tayong dalawa.
06:55.1
nag-awak po kayong dalawa.
06:57.0
Ang kulit-kulit nyo.
06:57.9
Nag-andadaldal yung dalawa,
07:02.8
kailangan naka-Armani suit.
07:06.3
divisorya lang, eh.
07:08.3
Divisorya lang, eh.
07:13.2
Mga ganyan style mo, Ronald.
07:15.6
Yan ang nagbibigay ng authenticity sa'yo.
07:18.4
progressive ka pa rin.
07:20.4
mas progressive ako sa'yo.
07:23.7
swinging progressive.
07:25.4
Ako, just swinging.
07:28.8
huwag na na tayo.
07:29.5
Baka papuntang swinger
07:30.6
na itong topic na ito.
07:31.8
Bago pumunta tayo
07:34.1
pag-usapan natin yung love life mo.
07:36.2
mas nataas ang ratings mo niya, no?
07:37.7
Yung love life mo.
07:39.7
daming nagkikintay dyan.
07:41.6
kay Christian na lang tayo
07:42.8
nagpag-interview din tayo
07:46.6
Gawin tayo ng marites na
07:49.5
Now, eto, eto, eto.
07:50.4
Ronald, let's talk about it.
07:51.8
So, later this week,
07:53.2
I'm hoping to interview also
07:56.6
Christian had a fantastic interview also
07:58.0
with Senator DeLima.
07:59.2
I suggest people to check that.
08:01.4
I always make sure na
08:02.3
I and Christian bring different perspective
08:03.9
to similar issues
08:05.8
para lang, you know,
08:06.9
enriching discussion.
08:08.2
Going back to Layla issue,
08:09.1
anong basa mo kay Harry Roque
08:12.4
ay, etong judge na nag-oversee
08:14.1
nung ano ni Layla
08:15.1
ay favorite student ko,
08:17.7
what is he trying to do there?
08:21.5
siya ang susunod siya
08:23.8
dun sa listahan ni DeLima
08:25.2
ng mga tormentors niya?
08:29.8
He's trying to reboot his image.
08:32.7
nakikirelevant lang siya.
08:33.9
What's going on there?
08:35.6
nagbabackpedal siya
08:36.8
dahil nung unang,
08:39.9
ng paglaya ni Layla,
08:42.6
ay todo ang tira nila ni Panelo.
08:45.5
i-echo nila yung,
08:48.9
nung kanilang master,
08:50.9
si ex-president Duterte.
08:55.5
siguro nakita nila na
08:59.2
is not with them.
09:06.3
yung mga statements
09:08.7
ex-president Duterte
09:12.7
papunta na sa extreme
09:18.1
sinusubukan nilang,
09:19.9
tingin nila sa sarili nila,
09:21.2
especially si Harry,
09:22.4
meron pa siyang political future.
09:26.9
na medyo suicide bomber na.
09:30.8
nearing 80 ka na,
09:35.0
Sunset, sunset na.
09:40.1
hindi pa naman kami
09:40.7
zero-sum game, ha.
09:44.4
magkaroon ng political future
09:45.8
if we play our cards right.
09:48.8
nagsasoft pedal sila,
09:51.0
Tinitignan nila kung,
09:54.5
Pwede pa sila mag-adjust, no?
09:56.5
unlike the president, no?
09:58.6
baka ayaw din nilang maipit,
10:00.7
dito sa mga nagbubungbuang
10:06.1
pag nagbubungbuang yung elepante,
10:08.2
medyo tantabi tayo ng konti,
10:10.0
Manonood na lang tayo,
10:10.9
labas ng popcorn, no?
10:12.4
Baka na-realize nila.
10:13.5
Anong animal ba tayo, Ronald,
10:15.2
kung elepante sila tayo?
10:18.4
Pasi hindi ako grass.
10:20.6
Dahil minsan kasi,
10:21.3
elepante natatakot sa daga,
10:24.8
kung ano tayo, no?
10:26.0
Ang problema sa daga,
10:27.1
kahit kinakatakotan ng elepante,
10:33.8
gilid-gilid lang tayo,
10:37.3
you're saying what's happening here is like,
10:39.6
bongo meeting PCG,
10:42.0
making strong statements on West Philippine Sea,
10:44.5
kasi malapit na election.
10:45.7
It's all part of the reboot,
10:49.2
kasi malapit na election.
10:50.5
kay Francis Tolentino,
10:51.8
who is a PDP laban,
10:55.1
ang trabaho niya,
10:55.7
ang trabaho mo kay Digong.
10:59.5
Pasa ko yung statement siya kahapon,
11:01.6
Pinapagalitan yung National Security Council
11:06.5
yung offer ng atin ito,
11:10.7
na balak tumunta sa BRP Sierra Madre
11:13.4
with a Christmas convoy,
11:18.2
Pinalatan niya yung NSC
11:19.3
for discouraging this coalition
11:22.2
to bring Christmas cheer,
11:26.3
to BRP Sierra Madre.
11:29.3
Talagang very sharp.
11:32.0
ang sinasabi ni Francis Tolentino,
11:34.0
dapat protectahan
11:36.6
itong convoy na ito
11:45.2
cabinet secretary yan
11:48.6
ay very critical sa China
11:50.9
at kinikritisize mismo
11:53.0
ang National Security Council
11:54.4
for discouraging this convoy,
11:58.1
mga forces ngayon
12:03.0
they are moving beyond
12:05.6
previous narrative.
12:08.9
Previous positioning.
12:10.8
Previous positioning.
12:11.2
Siguro nakita nila
12:11.9
writing on the wall.
12:13.5
Antenable ito, ha?
12:14.9
Kata pa naman kami.
12:15.9
May future pa kami, no?
12:18.5
Kasi idadang naman namin
12:20.0
si Richard Zaidarian, no?
12:23.8
umalagwa all over the place.
12:26.0
baka naingit sila
12:32.2
what are we doing?
12:33.1
Are we committing
12:33.9
political suicide?
12:35.6
Are we talking in case?
12:36.9
Delicts tayo dyan.
12:42.3
yung mga ambitions nila,
12:45.1
binabalikan nila,
12:46.4
should we go to town
12:50.1
should we join him
12:55.5
maganda yung mga kulungan doon,
13:00.4
sa kulungan dyan,
13:03.9
writing on the wall.
13:06.9
push back a little bit,
13:08.3
not on this issue per se,
13:09.6
I completely agree with you na,
13:12.5
ang first na nag-reboot
13:13.6
si Francis Tolentino.
13:15.9
earlier this year,
13:16.8
he was talking about
13:17.5
quadrilateral security cooperation,
13:22.4
parang si Haydari
13:23.1
na nagsasabi na naman.
13:24.7
parang line ko yan, ha?
13:28.1
nahihirap i-spell noon, eh.
13:32.4
nag-masters pa siya ng law ulit,
13:34.3
na international law.
13:35.9
mga ganyan siyang drama.
13:39.6
na not long after
13:43.0
sa Special Envoy-ish
13:45.8
nag-patriotism siya,
13:48.4
And then si Robin Hood,
13:52.1
tapos yung beshi mo,
13:53.2
si Robin Hood Padilla,
13:54.5
medyo nagsichange tone na rin
14:00.6
sa kampong na yan,
14:02.4
pumipitik-pitik pa rin, eh.
14:04.9
hindi ko na siya nilupan.
14:09.0
Hindi ko na siya nilawain.
14:13.0
ang dami natin mga special guests dito.
14:15.9
but let me push back
14:20.0
nag-release ng statement
14:22.0
Philippine Coast Guard,
14:23.5
spokesman si Jay Tariella,
14:26.1
gagawin yung convoy,
14:30.1
nakikita sa ETSA yung advertisement,
14:34.6
cleared by the Philippine government.
14:36.1
This is not necessarily
14:37.7
with the Philippine government.
14:42.1
Na gagamitin ng China ito
14:44.1
to also do their own version
14:48.4
kunyari sa kanila
14:49.1
kasi hindi naman sila demokrasya.
14:50.7
Nothing can be done
14:51.6
without the coordination
14:52.5
of the government
14:53.0
unlike in the Philippines
14:53.9
na may demokrasya.
14:55.2
Ang fear kasi dito,
14:58.4
of allowing the civil society
15:00.3
to be more actively engaged
15:01.8
in civil society,
15:03.0
the Chinese will do
15:03.9
their people's war
15:06.4
ginagawa ng Soviet Union yan,
15:08.2
ginagawa ng China yan.
15:09.2
And once it goes into that,
15:10.6
medyo delikado na.
15:11.4
Kasi you can imagine,
15:12.4
paano kung yung China
15:13.9
milyon-milyon na turista
15:16.6
And that creates complications.
15:19.8
panahon yun ni Aquino pa lang,
15:21.5
pinag-usapan itong
15:22.4
potentially using
15:23.6
a whole-of-nation approach.
15:25.4
And I think that was vetoed
15:27.8
because there was
15:28.7
precisely this concern
15:29.7
about China using this
15:32.2
to elevate the situation.
15:34.5
I'm just trying to explain
15:37.1
is coming from, Ronald.
15:38.1
They're not against
15:38.7
the spirit and principle
15:40.6
They're looking at
15:41.1
the operational implications
15:42.7
and how China may abuse it.
15:45.1
anong response mo dyan, Ronald?
15:46.3
So, I'm just playing
15:47.0
the devil's advocate.
15:48.5
I'm saying the government
15:53.2
You can have orange.
15:55.0
And the government side,
15:56.5
they're not necessarily
15:59.6
what is your take
16:00.3
on that argument?
16:02.0
you're just giving China
16:05.1
it's apples and oranges.
16:16.6
and even Christmas trees.
16:21.4
a World War II ship
16:25.8
Now, bringing gifts,
16:34.3
of the imagination
16:38.1
just doing the same.
16:43.0
Pero, balikan ko lang muna
16:51.9
National Security Council
17:09.4
sila sa ibang lugar.
17:10.9
Pumunta na sa ibang lugar.
17:24.2
wala ako sa leadership
17:27.7
gumawa sila ng letter
17:29.4
asking permission
17:32.3
from the post guard
17:33.7
and the national security council
17:38.0
they are not asking for a permit
17:42.0
ang tingin naman nila dito sa West Philippine Sea
17:47.9
front yard ng ating bansa
17:50.2
bakit kailangan mo
17:54.3
dahil ginagawa naman ito
17:57.5
lahat ng mga mga isda eh
17:58.9
nandun yung post guard to protect them
18:01.6
not to give them permission to fish
18:04.0
parang ganun din in principle
18:07.3
nitong people's convoy
18:09.1
kaya gumawa sila ng letter
18:11.5
formally sa post guard
18:13.6
at sa national security council
18:20.9
walang misunderstanding
18:26.8
ito nga yung sinabi niya
18:29.0
natuloy yung press phone
18:31.4
natuloy yung press phone
18:32.6
ng atin ito ng Monday
18:36.8
itong unofficial comment
18:40.4
na they're still going to continue
18:42.9
actually kasama nga nila
18:44.6
for the first time
18:46.9
si Rear Admiral Ong
18:51.8
congressman Kabuchan
18:53.2
for the first time
18:55.3
hindi available si
18:57.6
Senator Sanitry Danes
18:59.1
at saka si Boy Camacho
19:01.9
Reformed Armed Forces Movement
19:04.3
first time na nagkasama
19:05.8
sa isang press phone
19:06.7
ng Magdalo at saka RAM
19:11.5
nandun din for the first time
19:13.3
yung Magsaysay Awardee
19:15.9
the first fisherman
19:17.4
to get a Magsaysay Awardee
19:21.6
yung Vice Chairman
19:22.6
ng National Anti-Poverty Commission
19:24.6
for Fishermen and Farmers
19:27.6
so medyo maraming bago
19:29.6
nawala nung kanilang press phone
19:31.6
of course nandun si
19:32.6
Sen. Samu Teberos
19:35.6
so sinagot nila yung unofficial comment
19:40.6
na we're not asking permission
19:42.6
we're asking for coordination
19:44.6
we appreciate itong kanilang sagot
19:47.6
pero sana ma-formalize
19:49.6
sana ma-formalize
19:50.5
na formal letter yung kanilang
19:51.5
kinadala nila for coordination eh
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naglabas nung formal letter
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ng National Security Council
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formalizing yung statement
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will you allow me to read the letter
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para lang alam ng mga kaibigan natin
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so this is a press release
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by the National Security Council
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November 21st, 2023
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by the Strategic Communications Office
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so this is Jonathan Malaya
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Assistant Director General
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and Spokesman of National Security Council
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some of you have already heard him
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on my other interviews and podcasts
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including this week
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dun sa show natin
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the National Security Council
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the planned Christmas convoy
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to BRP Sierra Madre
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LS57 sa Ayungin Shoal
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or any similar undertaking
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to the said shoal
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while we support in principle
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the intent of the Ateneto Coalition
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to bring holiday cheer
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to our West Philippine Sea Frontliners
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undertaking such a convoy
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at this time of heightened tensions
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between the Philippines and China
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we encourage them instead
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to undertake the Christmas convoy
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to our other occupied features
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in the Kalayan Grip of Islands
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where Philippine troops and civilians
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other than Ayungin
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they can visit the following features
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they're also frontliners
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in those features
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and they also deserve Christmas goodies
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and donations from the public
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by visiting other occupied features
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the Christmas convoy
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will be able to visit
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a vaster area of the West Philippine Sea
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and thereby more fully realize
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their stated goal of improving
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the living circumstances
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and operational capabilities
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and other civilian communities
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they can also turn over
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to the Philippine Navy
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yung Christmas donation
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para kami na lang daw
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magbigay sa kanila
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our troops in Ayungin Shoal
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are well supplied
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by the Philippine Navy AFP
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supported by the Philippine Post Guard
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through the regular
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RORE resupply mission
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there is therefore
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Christmas convoy mission
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there are multiple here
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kayo pupunta sa iba
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na hindi kasing gagulo
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pero mahalaga din naman
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kami naman nag resupply
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pwede naman ibigay sa amin
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we are already doing that
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they're both questioning
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why this shoal in particular
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when there is a risk of clashes
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not just leave it to us
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this is our mandate
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why not go to the other islands
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were there also frontliners
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that will appreciate
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your Christmas support
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I think they totally missed the point
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of our West Philippine Sea
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whether we like it or not
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is the BRP Sierra Madre
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kaya ako nga hinaharas yung mga supply ships eh
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dahil it is literally
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in the side of China
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pumupunta sa Pag-asa
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or yung ilang mga
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touristic islands
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na nabangkit nila
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for the West Philippine Sea
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whether we like it or not
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is the BRP Sierra Madre
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of the Mutual Defense Treaty
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because this is an active
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this is an active
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kaya ang ginagawa nila
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tinatanggalan nila ng supply
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tinatanggalan nila ng oxygen
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nandiyan yung drama
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may kalat sa buong bansa
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at ang habol dito
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ordinaryong Pilipino
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government efforts
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sabi nga nung mga media
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pwede naman kami sasama
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ba't kami po sasama
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na hindi naman siya
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of what's happening
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ba't kami gagastos
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ng foreign correspondents
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pwede naman namin
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ipadala yung mga donations
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dito na lang magbahagi
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hindi ba nila nakita
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yung political objective
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of course marami na nagbibigay
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pero kahit papano
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itong limited donations na ito
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Yung community niya, yun yung bibigyan namin. Dahil hindi naman namin pwede bigyan lahat ng communities. So okay yung suggestion ng Coast Guard, suggestion ng LSC na bigyan nalang kahit ano mag-distribute. Pero hindi yan yung purpose ng convoy. In a way, they're putting China on call, on the record.
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At hindi naman mangyayari yung sinasabi nilang delikado dahil susunod naman yung convoy to the Coast Guard. Malayo pa lang, pala kita nila may mga Chinese vessels na parating. Itigil na yan. Itigil na yan at aatlas na yan.
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But the point was given that a people's convoy, a civil society convoy are conscious of our responsibilities as ordinary citizens.
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To support the BRP Sierra Madre. The BRP Sierra Madre is unlike any other vessel right now. It is the symbol of our struggle. It is a symbol of our resistance against Chinese aggression.
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The biggest navy in the world, the biggest armed forces in the world, yun yung symbol na yan.
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Ako kasi Ronald, yeah. Again, I get what you're saying. Ang tingko lang kasi is we are transitioning into a new status.
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Ako ko, dyan sa BRP Sierra Madre because kailangan natin re-affurbish yan. At the same time, for the first time in seven years or so, sobrang assertive na tayo doon.
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So even China is panicking and scrambling and we're still trying to figure out how do we coordinate this with our allies, with the US, but also with partners, joint patrols in the area.
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So siguro ang point ng government dito is, can you just give us a little bit of time, let's find a proper, stable status quo, and then maybe later on you can come in.
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Just not the best time for this. And kaya nga, we are paid the taxpayers' money to take care of our national interest. Bakit kayo nandun?
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I think that is where the concern of where the government comes. And the second thing is, Ronald, what is your assurance that China might not do something stupid?
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And ni Walter Cannon niya yung mga kababayan natin na civil society na wala naman training with mga potentially violent situations.
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And that might lead to a very dangerous situation. Escalation.
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Because unlike the supply boats.
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And the Coast Guard, hindi naman ipipilit eh.
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The Coast Guard will inform us, oh, talayo pa, meron na mga Chinese vessels.
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Itigil na, siguro, konting na magmimisa sila, o magpaprograma, o siguro, kakanta ng pasandali si Noel Cabangon,
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or kung nandun si Manny Pacquiao, kakaway-kaway siya, bakit daw kasi sumama si Manny Pacquiao eh, doon sa convoy.
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Si Robin Hood hindi susama.
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So, baka separate na bangka siya.
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So, magkakaroon ng ganun kasing program, no?
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Sasabihin ng Coast Guard, malayo pa.
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Dahil hindi sila, hindi yan ipipilit na mag-proceed, no?
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May mga pari na kasama, possibly a bishop, di ba?
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So, magpupan sila.
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Kaya lang, kaya lang, pinipilit sana na this time, dahil Christmas na eh.
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Hindi naman kasi Christmas sa February.
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Siguro, gagawa kami, Valentine's convoy.
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So, ngayon, Valentine's convoy sa February 14, no?
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Pero ngayon, it's supposed to be a Christmas convoy, no?
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Dahil ito yung kultura at saka religion.
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But why not last year? Why not two years ago? Why not five years ago?
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So, you're saying, dahil si Digong yung president doon?
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Hindi lang. Dahil ngayon lang kasi, ngayon lang kasi nakita-kita itong, sabi ko nga,
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nagkausap lang ito nung buhay si Secretary de Rosario,
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at saka kasi nakita sila sa isang conference with Father Edecio de la Torre,
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si Father Edecio de la Torre, mayroong show sa CNN,
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The Way Forward, tawag nila ay The Blue Economy, no?
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So, napakita nila dyan yung palagayan ng mga may isda at saka postcard.
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So, sabi nila, why can't we make a more sustained effort, no?
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To honor them and to support them.
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Pero parallel dyan, education.
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Dahil maraming Pilipino hindi alam, what is OPLOS?
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Maraming Pilipino hindi alam, ano ba yung,
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parang pata natin sa West Philippine Sea?
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Ano ba itong away sa Villar Pichera Madre?
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So, parallel dyan, no, is partly educational.
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That's why they made a 3-4 minute documentary, animated, animation,
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about the West Philippine Sea for beginners.
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Na ginagamit ngayon sa mga campus tours.
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Ngayon, nagsimula yung caravan para ipe-present dyan,
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kakanta si Noel Cabangon nung ginawa niyang kanta about the West Philippine Sea,
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tapos may mga speeches.
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So, kailangan, parallel dyan, natin dyan sa convoy.
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Again, Ronald, it's not clear to me na you can do all of that educational, animation,
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and all of those civil society, all of nation approach,
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but you can do it in coordination with the PCG and the Philippine Navy.
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Kasi parang nagpa-parallel, pero hindi happy yung government agency, eh.
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And there's a fear of escalation.
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Kaya, it's not mutually exclusive.
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You can still do all of those things.
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Bakit kailangan na nandun kayo mismo sa panataksyon?
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Lahat ng caravan na yan, lahat ng concerts na yan,
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the pre-concerts sa 1929, eh.
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Lahat yan ay parang build-up for the convoy.
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The convoy is the dramatic event na hindi yan kailang gawin ng pag-asa.
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Pupunta ka sa pag-asa, can that disrupt?
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Can that catalyze?
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Sa ngayon kasi, it's the PRPC armada, eh.
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Whether we like it or not.
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Yan yung front line, eh.
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So, Ronald, if there'll be a crisis in pag-asa,
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then pupunta kayo dun sa kung saan.
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Let's say, remember, yung pag-asa,
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ang problema is may mga milisya ng China.
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Papadala sila ng libo.
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May naman libo-libo, pero daan-daan mga milisya forces
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to surround pag-asa, bullying us.
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So, what you're saying is,
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whenever there's a worst-case scenario,
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that's where you want to go as a convoy?
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Isn't that, like, dangerous?
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Isn't that what we should avoid?
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That if you can symbolically and operationally support the Philippine government,
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but by going to the most dangerous place,
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aren't you, like, daredevil-ing this thing?
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There's no, there's no, there's no ship in pag-asa, no?
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In a union, there's this rusting BRP, Sierra Madre,
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na we're almost sure, gusto nila tanggalin.
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Hindi naman nila pwede tanggalin yung island ng pag-asa, diba?
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Ito ay isang permanent outpost.
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A lonely permanent outpost sa dulo ng ating EEZ, no?
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Yun yung value niya, diba?
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Yan yung, wala, there's no other, wala yan sa EU,
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wala pa yan sa, wala pa yan sa Scarborough,
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although, even before, they were planning to do that.
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Yeah, sana, yeah, exactly.
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Ang may karoon lang yan is a union, diba?
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Pag-asa is an island.
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Perhaps, yung mga, yung mga periphery yan,
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hinaharas, no, et cetera,
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as well as a lot of places in the West Philippine Sea.
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But BRP, Sierra Madre, is the symbol
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na talagang tatanggalin lang.
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They're setting the predicate, no?
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Para tayo mismo umatras.
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Well, I think the more correct term,
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Ronald, is the frontier now, right?
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I mean, symbols we can talk about.
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But, Ronald, so essentially, just to be clear,
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again, you see what I'm doing?
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I'm interrogating this argument
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because I want to also understand
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where is the government and our friends
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they're also coming from.
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Ganyan to, so your argument, Ronald, is
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there are two things that make
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Second Thomas Shoal very special.
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One is, because alanganin yung situation natin dyan.
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Kasi yung Sierra Madre, medyo,
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we don't know how long it's gonna last.
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Unlike pag-asa, meron na tayong mga community,
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may isla na talaga dyan.
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Kaya ginagupit natin yung barrier.
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But the second one, which I think is very important
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that you mention is,
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and I agree with this part very much,
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is, well, bakuran talaga natin.
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Literally, this is not an island.
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It's just a low tide elevation
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within our exclusive economic zone.
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China doesn't even have any business being there.
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And by sending the Philippine Civil Society,
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you're reminding the world
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na China doesn't even have a territory to claim there
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because hindi po territory yung second.
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It's just a low tide elevation.
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So that's easy of the Philippines.
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It's like going to Luneta.
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It's part of the Philippines.
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Continental Self-Elevation.
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Go to your front yard, no?
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And, dagdag lang,
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this is a convoy with parols,
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Christmas lights,
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some of them has beret,
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and then Christmas gifts.
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Pag yan yung hinirang,
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yung mga Chinese vessels,
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kahit yan hinirang,
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anong itsura niyan sa buong Pilipinas?
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Anong itsura niyan sa mundo?
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So, you wanna go?
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So, you wanna galvanize?
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So, you wanna galvanize support?
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Unarmed, small, fishing vessels.
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Para lang kung gagawin niya dyan, ha?
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40 of them, 40 of them, no?
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With parols, Christmas tree,
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some with Santa Claus,
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some with Belen, no?
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just bringing Christmas cheer, no?
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But yun nga, Ronald,
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China doesn't see it as non-threatening.
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China sees it as a direct challenge to their claim.
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Yes, but it doesn't matter, no?
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Anong image ng China
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sa mga Pilipino, no?
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Bringing Christmas cheer?
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in other parts of the world, no?
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Eh, pangit na yung image nila.
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Kailangan pa natin papangitan pa.
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Yes, pero ang problema,
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the Pilipinos hindi pa nila alam
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what is the entitlements in the West Philippine Sea,
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ano ba yung non-dice-line, dust-line,
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ano ba yung BRP Sierra Madre?
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Tayo alam natin yan.
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But what percentage of the Pilipino
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understand this thing?
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sabi nga natin kailan.
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So, it's a catalyst, exactly.
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It's a rallying point you're looking at.
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Yes, pwede naman magkaroon ng educational program,
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pwede naman magkaroon ng concert,
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pwede naman magpat.
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to catalyze that,
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for everybody who's interested,
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there must be an event.
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And the convoy is the event.
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I see where you're coming from.
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I mean, you can see my reservations with this.
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I'm kind of 50-50 really, honestly, on this.
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Both sides of this argument.
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Because lahat naman tayo mahal natin ang West Philippines.
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See, this is a question of tactics, diba?
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What is the best means to protect the Philippine West Philippines?
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See, your argument is,
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huwag tayong magpatakot sa China.
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Huwag tayong magpa-intimidate sa China.
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Wala silang base yan to even be there.
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And it's important that the Filipino people see
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Filipino people also there.
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Not just military, not just Coast Guard and all.
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And that would be a catalyst for greater
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mobilization of society to care about.
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I agree with your argument.
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Again, I may not exactly agree with it but
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at least na-narrow down natin bakit ito yung case.
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Because yun nga Ronald, outside,
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I don't think hindi klaro masyado yung
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two sides of the argument.
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Kasi usually ang mga hita-hina,
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nagmamaganda, nagpaparelevant.
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So, thank you Ronald for being the de facto spokesman
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of the ating ito movement.
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Which I'm not, which I'm not.
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Which you're not, kaya nga sabi ko de facto, diba?
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And I didn't want to act as de facto spokesman
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for the government.
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But we're just doing this for the sake of argument.
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Again, lahat tayong mahal natin ng West Philippines.
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But the bottom line,
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ang bottom line ay ayaw ng koalisyon
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na makaaway ang Coast Guard,
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na makaaway ang NSC.
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So maghahanap sila ng
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what's the best compromise?
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What is the possible compromise?
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Na hindi malalagay in harm's way
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yung civil society but at the same time
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drive the point na ito ay ating bakuran.
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Ito ay ating front lawn, no?
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Na dapat walang sasabi sa atin
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kung sino ang pwede pumita.
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Yun nga ang kalagayan ng ating fishermen eh.
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Sa harassment eh, diba?
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Ang gusto natin ay kasama natin sila.
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Kasama natin sila.
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So may sasamang trade unions,
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may sasamang students.
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So hindi lang sila purely mangiisda.
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May sasamang church, no?
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Dahil hindi pa ito ginawa eh.
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Hindi pa ito ginawa.
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At iba yung mangyayari kung pupunta ka lang sa pag-asa.
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Ibang iba yung impact.
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Even the media, no?
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puwera muna yung pag-asa.
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Yun ang pinakamahalaga sa atin.
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I clarified, yeah, yeah.
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Thank you so much,
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de facto spokesman.
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We needed this discussion
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kasi that's why we're here, diba?
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Tara, hindi naman tayo mga ano lang dito,
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you know, like singing each other's song.
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No, we're here talaga to examine issues and strategy.
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And this is as strategy as it can get, yeah.
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Kaya kapag ito yung R&R,
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dahil yung R&R, nagkokoan.
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Nagkade-debate, no?
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Ang dalawang, ano,
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dalawang makulit.
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Dalawang devilish advocate.
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Hindi na yung mas devilish.
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Hindi, ikaw yung devil,
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ako yung advocate.
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Thank you so much,
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Secretary Liang Asundat.
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Now, on the next episode,
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baligan muna natin ulit
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the whole Dalima,
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the whole Harry Roque issue.
38:47.6
But there's another thing
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we also have to discuss.
38:49.6
President Marcos Jr.
38:50.6
recently was in Hawaii
38:51.6
and there's a lot to discuss about.
